Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-22 Thread Kim Jones
Do you eat dinner every day? Do you drink coffee every day? Do you drink water or milk every day? Do you watch the TV news every day? Kim On 21/02/2013, at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > All classical psychedelics exhibit anti-addictive properties. Sure, people > can't do mescaline or L

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-22 Thread Kim Jones
There is a guy in India - don't ask me for the chapter and verse because I can't be bothered looking it up - who is in his late 70s. He claims that his last meal was 65 years ago. No one has ever seen him eat. He survives on sunlight, food and water - according to him. When asked why this is, or

Re: Born Rule in MWI

2013-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2013, at 04:10, Joseph Knight wrote: Question: Why is the "derivation"* of the Born Rule in (Everett, 1957) not considered satisfactory**? Good question. I asked it myself very often. *Everett shows that the amplitude-squared rule for subjective probability is the only measur

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, What do you mean by "there is no ideally correct case"? I can understand if you sincerely doubt about elementary arithmetic, though. In that case the term research lost his meaning, and we get a completely instrumentalist conception of science. We get the type of relativism used by m

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Feb 2013, at 13:17, Pierz wrote: I have tried both DMT and salvia, although my salvia hits were much milder than my DMT doses. I found DMT quite terrifying in many ways, and I can totally relate what Bruno says regarding the salvia experience not being fun, how it is hard and exhaust

Re: Born Rule in MWI

2013-02-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 Feb 2013, at 04:10, Joseph Knight wrote: > >> Question: Why is the "derivation"* of the Born Rule in (Everett, 1957) not >> considered satisfactory**? > > > Good question. I asked it myself very often. > > > >> >> *Everett shows that

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-22 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/2/22 Kim Jones > There is a guy in India - don't ask me for the chapter and verse because I > can't be bothered looking it up - who is in his late 70s. He claims that > his last meal was 65 years ago. No one has ever seen him eat. He survives > on sunlight, food and water - according to him.

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-22 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/2/22 Quentin Anciaux > > > 2013/2/22 Kim Jones > >> There is a guy in India - don't ask me for the chapter and verse because >> I can't be bothered looking it up - who is in his late 70s. He claims that >> his last meal was 65 years ago. No one has ever seen him eat. He survives >> on sunli

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/2/21 Bruno Marchal > > On 20 Feb 2013, at 22:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > if comp and the null hypothesis (everithing exist) is accepted, then a > infinity of copies of you are now being kicked by a wild horse while being > eaten by bugs in an ocean of acid. > > > > That's correct. > > >

The contents of mind according to Leibniz

2013-02-22 Thread Roger Clough
Definitions Perceptions = The contents of mind (knowledge) at a given time according to Leibniz. Perceptions are states of knowledge (ideas) acquired indirectly by all of the monads in the universe by means of the Supreme Monad from the point of view of a each monad. Leibniz uses t

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, February 22, 2013 1:05:14 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > >>unlike the other sciences or even art mathematics does not require >>> experimentation. >>> >> >> > But they require thinking, >> > > Obviously. > > >which you are saying i

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-02-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Feb 2013, at 15:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:58:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Feb 2013, at 21:15, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 2/20/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Born Rule in MWI

2013-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2013, at 11:55, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Feb 2013, at 04:10, Joseph Knight wrote: Question: Why is the "derivation"* of the Born Rule in (Everett, 1957) not considered satisfactory**? Good question. I asked it myself

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2013, at 13:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/2/21 Bruno Marchal On 20 Feb 2013, at 22:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote: if comp and the null hypothesis (everithing exist) is accepted, then a infinity of copies of you are now being kicked by a wild horse while being eaten by bugs

Re: Born Rule in MWI

2013-02-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/22/2013 12:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Feb 2013, at 11:55, Richard Ruquist wrote: Do you get separate universes from comp alone? We get many separate dreams. It is an open question if some collections of sharable dreams define an unique complete physical reality. Hi, If w

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2013, at 17:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: "The people who most hate smokers are ex-smokers." - PGC's father Since this thread has become a bit personal, I offer the view of a former judge of the German supreme court, who himself was not a smoker, nor did ever smoke: "It's

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> What to you think with, your elbow? >> > > > my point was that you have a double standard about which brain > activities represent nothing but evolutionary driven illusions > Illusions? Evolutionary drive is what made you the man you are

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, February 22, 2013 4:54:05 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> What to you think with, your elbow? >>> >> >> > my point was that you have a double standard about which brain >> activities represent nothing but evolutio

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread meekerdb
On 2/22/2013 3:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 22, 2013 4:54:05 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: >> What to you think with, your elbow? > my point was that you have a double standard about whic

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, February 22, 2013 7:45:58 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 2/22/2013 3:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 22, 2013 4:54:05 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> What to you think with, your elbow? >>>

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread meekerdb
On 2/22/2013 6:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 22, 2013 7:45:58 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/22/2013 3:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 22, 2013 4:54:05 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-22 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > A successful evolutionary outcome doesn't have anything to do with the > veracity of the content of a signal. If the interpretation your brain performs on a sequence of impulses that come from your eyes is not compatible with the facts in your extern