2013/2/22 Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > > > 2013/2/22 Kim Jones <[email protected]> > >> There is a guy in India - don't ask me for the chapter and verse because >> I can't be bothered looking it up - who is in his late 70s. He claims that >> his last meal was 65 years ago. No one has ever seen him eat. He survives >> on sunlight, food and water - according to him. When asked why this is, or >> how he is able to survive in this way he merely says "I live as do the >> plants." OK - he's maybe a "fakir" or maybe he's a "faker" but I mention >> this to challenge your assertion that the intake of certain substances is >> privileged because of a claim of a necessary relationship we have with them. >> >> You say you are addicted to the "Green Bitch" >> > > I was, I am no more since several years now. > > >> but I still hold that it is your choice to be so. >> > > I never pretended otherwise. > > >> I have been inhaling the stuff fairly regularly for at least the past 35 >> years. >> > > Then if it is regularly and alone usage, you are an addict, you can > pretend otherwise, but regular lonely usage of marijuana is an addictive > behavior, you can change the meaning of addict, it won't make you not an > addict. > > > >> All the current studies indicate that cannabis is about as addictive as >> coffee. >> > > Well it's bullshit. > > >> A woman in New Zealand recently died because she consumed on average half >> a swimming-pool of Coca Cola every day. You may argue that her "addiction" >> to Coke is what killed her, but I would say it was the lack of diversity in >> her diet that killed her. You cannot "suicide" by smoking too much >> cannabis. Even if you got a wheelbarrow full of the finest heads and >> proceeded to smoke all of it, you would eventually die - not from the THC >> intake, but through asphyxiation from inhaling such a ridiculous amount of >> smoke. >> >> I advocate intelligent and moderate use. >> > > I do too, but that's what addictive problems show, once addicted, you > don't do a *moderate* use. You can say you have an "ntelligent and moderate > use", don't pretend it is for most marijuana users. It's a lie, you can lie > to you if you want, don't lie to others please. > > > My rule of thumb is - I buy a quarter of an ounce which I usually cannot >> afford anyway, so I treasure it. I am able to make that last for >> approximately 10 to twelve days. I then don't smoke for twice that amount >> of time - a fortnight or more. This is important because, the more you >> smoke Mary Jane, the less she works for you because the body builds up a >> tolerance for her. You surely have noticed this effect? >> > > Sure. > > >> To continue your intake of a substance after that substance has stopped >> working is the height of ignorance or stupidity. >> > > Well maybe I'm stupid, happy for you, you're an intelligent, please do > your stuff and tells anyone smocking is and blame stupidity on addict. >
read: please do your stuff and tells anyone smocking is OK and blame stupidity on addict. > > Or maybe, you're the stupid. > > Quentin > > >> >> Intelligent and moderate use of a substance always invokes the need for a >> FORMAL and RITUALISED behaviour which becomes a life rhythm, a regime that >> supports your best side. When you use, your mind accepts the THC and you >> gain the marvellous insights and creative ideas that are the hallmark of >> cannabis and its effect on the mind. You also arm your body against cancer. >> One thing you and I will certainly NOT die of Quentin (and Bruno) is >> cancer. You must see this period of time as a privilege, a gift or a >> learning experience. You then leave the ecological classroom for a time and >> you take the wisdom and insights you developed under the influence back >> into the baseline normative state of consciousness that we must adhere to >> to live in a world where we have to do things like drive cars and operate >> dangerous heavy machinery for which a cannabis delirium would spell danger >> or death. >> >> I did not call this thread "The Plant Teachers" for nothing. >> >> The other thing is marijuana's effect on the memory. Often you smoke, you >> have powerful insights and ideas, but you forget them as your mind races >> ahead to its next perception.I have trained myself over the years to have a >> notepad and pen with me whenever stoned so I do not lose track of the >> pearls of wisdom as they come through. Cannbis is not a lifestyle; it is a >> TOOL. You must be clear to yourself WHY you are using it when you are using >> it and not just giving into a bad habit. But the ability to do that is a >> function of education - it requires restraint and the ability to see the >> value of living in these two parallel universes and skipping between the >> two. There is a necessary period of transition from one to the other. By >> now I can say that the experience of being straight is a wonderful >> experience because I know that it won't last forever because at a certain >> point I will allow myself to enter my "Second Life" and will become an >> avatar in another world. Both universes are on an equal footing. Being >> straight is not better than being stoned and being stoned is not better >> than being straight. There is symmetry in the experience of moving between >> different instantiations of the self. >> >> In the future, it will be the job of education to instruct people how to >> use their drugs responsibly and to gain value from their use. I mean this >> quite seriously. In a way, education should be doing this now. Teachers and >> students should go on trips together and notes should be compared and then >> a period of abstinence should be enforced to ensure that the subject gets >> the hang of the symmetry of which I speak. Smoking marijuana every day is >> not only a waste of money - it's a waste of marijuana, which is even worse. >> >> Kim Jones >> >> >> >> >> >> On 22/02/2013, at 7:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> These are necessity, they do not entertain compusilve behavior. >> >> I've been addicted to marijuana for more than fifteen years, I know what >> addict behavior entails. >> >> Usage repetition in drugs usage is an addictive behavior, the "I stop >> when I want" is just BS. >> >> I'm not saying it is not possible to have a recreational non-addictive >> usage, I'm just saying if you are using everyday, it is no more >> recreational whatever lie you told yourself. >> >> Quentin >> >> 2013/2/22 Kim Jones <[email protected]> >> >>> Do you eat dinner every day? Do you drink coffee every day? Do you drink >>> water or milk every day? Do you watch the TV news every day? >>> >>> >>> Kim >>> >>> On 21/02/2013, at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> All classical psychedelics exhibit anti-addictive properties. Sure, >>>> people can't do mescaline or LSD regularly enough, i.e. every few days to >>>> every day, >>>> >>> >>> How is using every day (or every few days) not an addictive behavior ? >>> Seems quite strange to say that to have **anti** addictive properties, you >>> should use it like an addict, seems contradictory. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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