Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/8/24 Chris de Morsella > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 12:58 PM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: When will a computer pass the Tu

Leibniz's two types of existence based on the two types of logic

2013-08-24 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's two types of existence based on the two types of logic Brahma is a version of existence, but it doesn't permit actual scientific experiments. According to Leibniz, there is necessary (permanent) or mental existence and contingent or actual existence. But mental existence can only be de

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote > >>> The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU >>> chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer >>> that does not require this external structured environment >>> >> >> The human re

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/8/24 John Clark > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella > wrote > >> >>> The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer that does not require this external structured en

Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread John Clark
Suppose that in 1997 you had a very difficult problem to solve, so difficult that it would take Deep Blue, the supercomputer that beat the best human chess player in the world, 18 years to solve, what should you do? You'd do better to let Moore's law do all the heavy lifting and leave Deep Blue alo

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-24 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:09 AM, wrote: > Supporting the Nazis was the right thing to for the Arabs back then. > [...] Also I believe that 9/11 was a good thing You sir are an ass. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-24 Thread spudboy100
Sex would be more interesting, purely, from a Hugh Everett the 3rd point of view of course. -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona To: everything-list Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:48 pm Subject: Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood To talk about politics in a group is lik

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote >>> The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer that does not require this external structured environment >> The human requir

Re: God's God

2013-08-24 Thread spudboy100
John, that was a clever cartoon, which of course leaves the viewer seeing "humanity' as the hero. The humanity character was too busy sitting under a tree, to help resolve misery and death. Of course, he could have been working on those wee concerns insteady of bitching at the imaginary charact

Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
As I tried to comment in the other thread concerning chess: it's not just about power, it's also about quality of coding. Just one fresh opening, a novel variation or line in the mid game, a bug in the code, one position falsely assessed, and all computing power in the universe will still lose that

Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-24 Thread smitra
With hindsight 9/11 was a good thing to have happened, it ended up exposing the fascist Neo-Cons for what they were. The Neo-Con ideology was defeated on the battlegrounds of Iraq. It is sad that it had to happen that way with all the innocent victims in the US and Iraq, but I believe that the

Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > As I tried to comment in the other thread concerning chess: it's not just > about power, it's also about quality of coding. Just one fresh opening, a > novel variation or line in the mid game, a bug in the code, one position > false

RE: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
>> Also, Moore's law is bound to hit a physical limit. It cannot be that far now. It's already fishy, since it's being driven mostly by multicore architectures. Moving from the sequential to the parallel world is far from trivial in terms of software engineering. The brain is massively parallel and

RE: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
Telmo -- Another crucial difference between the brain and current computer architectures is the huge difference between the two in terms of signal to noise ratios. The brain is a crackling and very noisy place and is in this way is very unlike silicon chips where the signal is very clear (at a larg

Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >>> Also, Moore's law is bound to hit a physical limit. It cannot be that far > now. It's already fishy, since it's being driven mostly by multicore > architectures. Moving from the sequential to the parallel world is far from > trivial in

Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Telmo -- Another crucial difference between the brain and current computer > architectures is the huge difference between the two in terms of signal to > noise ratios. The brain is a crackling and very noisy place and is in this > way is

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 08:34:02PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > > > From: everything-list@googlegroups.com > [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:58 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: When will a co

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
>> I don't see what the sense of self has to do with it... Hi Russell ~ In the sense, that by having a "sense of self" we have inescapably already separated our "self" from any possibility of seeing from the perspective of a universal point of view... the all that is and can be. Naturally this

RE: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer

2013-08-24 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Deep Blue vs The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:16 A

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 05:01:48PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: > >> I don't see what the sense of self has to do with it... > > Hi Russell ~ In the sense, that by having a "sense of self" we have > inescapably already separated our "self" from any possibility of seeing from > the perspective