2013/8/24 John Clark <[email protected]> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected] > > wrote > >> >>> The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the CPU >>>> chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know of no computer >>>> that does not require this external structured environment >>>> >>> >> The human requires a substrate in which to operate upon -- the brain >>> for example is what our human minds operate on. I know of no human that >>> does not require this external structured environment. >>> >> > Yes… and? >> > And you tell me, those are your ideas not mine. I don't see the relevance > but I thought you did. > >> **** >> >> >>> Every computer in existence requires external enabling hardware. >>> >> >>Every human in existence requires external enabling hardware. >> >> >> > > Yes but humans are not universal computing machines, >> > If we're not universal then we are provincial computing machines. Do you > really think this strengthens your case concerning the superiority of > humans? > > > if indeed we are machines. >> > We are either cuckoo clocks or roulette wheels, take your pick. > > >> > Do we know enough about how our brains work and are structured to the >> level that we would need to in order to be able to answer that question >> with any degree of certainty? >> > Yes absolutely! I can say with no fear of contradiction that things in the > brain happen for a reason or they do not happen for a reason. > > > I was referring to the hypothesized deterministic universe, in which >> everything that has happened can be computed from the initial state and has >> followed on from that original set of conditions >> > Everything in modern physics and mathematics says that determinism is > false, >
That's wrong, MWI is deterministic... and again, deterministic and computable are two different thing. Quentin > but who cares, we were talking about intelligence and biological minds and > computer minds; what does the truth of falsehood of determinism have to do > with the price of eggs? > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
