Re: Black holes and computational complexity

2018-12-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
The growth of black hole interiors can be seen in the Penrose conformal diagram below. The two 45 degree lines that meet in the middle are the horizons and the two square regions are universes or two different regions in the universe. The triangle bounded by the r = 0 line is the black hole

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/15/2018 6:07 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:57 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/15/2018 5:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: hh, but diophantine equations only need integers, addition, and multiplication, and can define any

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Yes, you create a

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker > > wrote: >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Saturday, December 15, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, you

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 5:33:44 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 2:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM wrote: > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 5:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > hh, but diophantine equations only need integers, addition, and >> multiplication, and can define any computable function. Therefore the >> question of whether or not some diophantine equation

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:35 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/15/2018 6:07 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 5:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> hh, but diophantine equations only need integers, addition, and >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/15/2018 5:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: hh, but diophantine equations only need integers, addition, and multiplication, and can define any computable function. Therefore the question of whether or not some diophantine equation has a solution can be made equivalent to the

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:28:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/15/2018 2:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Saturday, December 15, 2018, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/15/2018 7:43 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/14/2018

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:04:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018, wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 2:11:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:06 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:41:08 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > One type of objection might be that matter is a mystery, but math > > isn't. But I think complexity theorists (like Chaitin) have shown that > > math is a mystery too. > >

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

2018-12-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 8:43:32 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/11/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:32 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> Static with respect to what dimension? The block universe is a >> mathematical 4D object constructed in 1 dimension of time and 3 dimensions >> of space that follows Non-Euclidean geometry, and it changes in time and it >> changes in space,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 1:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/14/2018 7:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> Yes, you create a whole theology around not all truths are provable. But >> you ignore that what is false is also provable. Provable

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:53 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:32 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Static with respect to what dimension? The block universe is a >>> mathematical 4D object constructed in 1 dimension of time and 3 dimensions >>> of space that follows Non-Euclidean

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 10:44:41 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > Kids in school are taught the digits of Pi go on forever. > Also known as religious indoctrination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5j-fVqhRHA - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the