On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: 
> > One type of objection might be that matter is a mystery, but math 
> > isn't. But I think complexity theorists (like Chaitin) have shown that 
> > math is a mystery too. 
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> Actually the argument has been made the other way.  Math is not a 
> mystery, it is completely known as are fictional stories like "Moby 
> Dick". What is written down in all there is.  If you ask what was the 
> beam of the Pequod there is no corresponding fact.  But if you ask what 
> was the beam of the Pinta, there was such a value, even if you can't 
> find what it was.  So real things are more complex and are not 
> completely definable. 
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> Brent 
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When I think of "math is a mystery" I'm going mainly back to

*The Limits of Reason*
*Ideas on complexity and randomness originally suggested by Gottfried W. 
Leibniz in 1686, **combined with modern information theory, imply that 
there can never be a “theory of everything” for all of mathematics.*
By Gregory Chaitin
- http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/The_Limits_of_Reason_Chaitin_2006.pdf 

- pt

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