Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-03-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 3/5/2019 10:02 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 2:29:50 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 10:14:02 PM UTC-7, agray...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:09:27 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-03-06 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 1:03:16 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 3/5/2019 10:02 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 2:29:50 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 10:14:02 PM UTC-7, agray...@gmail.com wrote: >>>

Re: Are there real numbers that cannot be defined?

2019-03-06 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 3:35:55 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 8:28:01 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:23 PM Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> > There are numbers that have no description in a practical sense. The >>> number

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 6:24:35 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:49, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> Bringing Gödel

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread PGC
On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 7:24:11 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 20:42, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Very interesting and rather compelling. OK. But to solve the mind body >> problem

Re: Are there real numbers that cannot be defined?

2019-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Mar 2019, at 15:53, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 8:03 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > The expression "Non computable numbers” appears only in intuitionist logic, > > If so then just by reading the title of Turing's famous 1936 paper where he

Re: Are there real numbers that cannot be defined?

2019-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Mar 2019, at 19:13, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 9:57 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > But in the “theology of the machine” [...] > > Given the fact that I don't have an infinite amount of time to read things my > rule of thumb is to stop

Re: Are there real numbers that cannot be defined?

2019-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 8:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> You confirm my theory that strong (non agnostic) atheism is radical > religious fundamentalism* I've never heard you or anybody else criticize me that brilliantly before, you sure put me in my place. I am devastated! > By theology, you kno

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Mar 2019, at 20:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/5/2019 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> RNA, proteins, krebs cycle, and proton pumps are all necessary for that. >> >> That is carbon chauvinism, with all my respect. I am a lover of Krebs cycle, >> and ev

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Mar 2019, at 19:27, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 6:23:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Mar 2019, at 00:43, Brent Meeker > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker >

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:02 AM wrote: *> did Einstein, or anyone, ever prove what I will call the General > Principle of Relativity, namely that the laws of physics are invariant for > accelerating frames? If the answer is affirmative, is there a > transformation equation for Maxwell's Equations

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Mar 2019, at 19:27, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 6:23:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Mar 2019, at 00:43, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-03-06 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 7:18:04 AM UTC-7, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:02 AM > wrote: > > *> did Einstein, or anyone, ever prove what I will call the General >> Principle of Relativity, namely that the laws of physics are invariant for >> accelerating frames? If the a

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-03-06 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:21 AM wrote: >>Maxwell's original equations already did what you ask for, >> > > *>I don't think so. ME's are invariant under the LT. AFAIK, this applies > to inertial frames, not accelerating frames, which is what I was asking > about. AG* > If you are accelerating (

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 6 Mar 2019, at 11:47, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 6:24:35 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:49, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-03-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 3/6/2019 1:27 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 1:03:16 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 3/5/2019 10:02 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 2:29:50 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 1, 2019 a

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-03-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 3/6/2019 5:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Every time I mention this you strike back at the straw man of primitive matter...which I never refer to. But then, why do you criticise the theorem? Maybe you don’t? Bt then why are you saying that elementary arithmetic is not a TOE? It explain the c

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > We cannot predict in advance if a machine will stop. The extensional > equality of machines, or combinators, is unsolvable. > > There is some conceptual and practical division between mathematics and applied mathem

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-03-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 3/6/2019 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I use mechanism in the sense that if little daemon substitute each piece of my brain, at some resolution level,  by functional digital equivalent, then my consciousness would not notice the difference. According to your theory, your consciousness i