Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:19, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 2:58:22 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 2:31:37 AM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 10:18, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > > > On

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. So any symbolic structure will by Gödel's theorem be incapable of proving it's consistency. Wittgenstein seemed to recognize this and backed away from his Tractus. Even with basic physics we have F = ma, which has a

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 21:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 10:04:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Feb 2020, at 12:14, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:13:35 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:58:15 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. > So any symbolic structure will by Gödel's theorem be incapable of proving > it's consistency. Wittgenstein seemed to recognize this and

Randomness of quantum processes and computability

I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes are inherently random and thus NOT computable. Doesn't this conclusion, if true, totally disconfirm Bruno's theory that the apparent physical universe comes into being by computations of arithmetic pre-existing principles or postulates? AG --

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:32 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 20 Feb 2020, at 06:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:13 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 2/16/2020 2:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> No,that argument is

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 2/20/2020 4:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:32 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 20 Feb 2020, at 06:12, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:13 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 2/20/2020 4:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Can a finite sequence be algorithmically incompressible?   Can't I just give it a name, say "Albert" and write 'print albert’. Yes, a finite sequence is said "algorithmically incompressible” when the shortest program to generate that sequence is

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 7:47:23 PM UTC-7, stathisp wrote: > > A deterministic branching algorithm can produce output that appears random > for an observer in each branch. > Can an *appearance* of randomness create a universe which is truly random at the quantum level? AG > > On

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

A deterministic branching algorithm can produce output that appears random for an observer in each branch. On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 07:59, Alan Grayson wrote: > I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes are inherently random > and thus NOT computable. Doesn't this conclusion, if true,

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

Are you assuming an observer whose path is deterministic too, or are you relying on randomness of it his path thus creating self-locating uncertianty? Brent On 2/20/2020 6:46 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: A deterministic branching algorithm can produce output that appears random for an

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 2/20/2020 5:52 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/20/2020 4:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: This argument has

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 2/20/2020 4:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > >> This argument has worried me, so I thought that some serious calculations >> were in order. If you have an even number of trials, N =

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes are inherently random > and thus NOT computable. Doesn't this conclusion, if true, totally > disconfirm Bruno's theory that the apparent physical universe comes into

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 23:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:52 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:41 PM Bruno Marchal >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 23:29, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:20 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:14, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:05 AM Bruno Marchal >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 06:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:13 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/16/2020 2:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> No,that argument is mistaken, as Kent's general argument in terms of the

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

Daniel Dennett said that Alan Turing gave us the computer and Wittgenstein gave us Wittgenstein. Though to be fair Wittgenstein did point to how language has this inherent aspect of ambiguity, though his mission was to try to remove such ambiguities from philosophy by clarification of

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 00:42, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 4:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:14, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:05 AM Bruno Marchal >>

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 00:44, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 4:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/18/2020 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is simply a fact

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

Wittgenstein (*language games*) like Derrida (*writing games*) [ https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Lang/LangOrba.htm ] exposes the *ambiguity* and*

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

To be short, I agree with this for the applied part of philosophy. Maybe that is religion. But he is wrong for metaphysics or theology, which, like physics have an important theoretical counterpart, and it is only due to the stealing of theology by the tyran that we have forgotten this. It is

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Wittgenstein is at the core really of linguistic pragmatism >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Wittgenstein is at the core really of linguistic pragmatism >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism >>