Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I have liked the arguments about 15 years ago tween Hameroff and Penrose on one side and Max Tegmark on the other. What was involved with the idea that the brain's microtubles function as quantum computing, while Tegmark said, No it can't be because quantum computing involved insanely COLD

Arithmetic potentialism and the universal algorithm

2020-06-15 Thread Philip Thrift
Via https://twitter.com/JDHamkins/status/1272615229403398144 : Joel David Hamkins, “Arithmetic potentialism and the universal algorithm,” arxiv: 1801.04599, available at http://jdh.hamkins.org/arithmetic-potentialism-and-the-universal-algorithm "Please feel free to skip over the more

Re: The size of the universe

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:45:53 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > true=/=real. > > > (Venn diagram) ~real ∩ true = ? @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 11:08:30 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" > > Let's say there

Re: The size of the universe

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> >>> Consequently, the usual mythology about quantum fluctuations is not true. >>> >> >> *But isn't there

Re: The size of the universe

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: Consequently, the

Re: The size of the universe

2020-06-15 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> Consequently, the usual mythology about quantum fluctuations is not true. >> > > *But isn't there factually undeniable, empirical evidence that if one > repeatedly measures

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

2020-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 19:53, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > Am So, 14. Jun 2020, um 09:23, schrieb Bruno Marchal: >> >>> On 12 Jun 2020, at 11:55, Telmo Menezes >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

2020-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 20:02, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > Am So, 14. Jun 2020, um 09:40, schrieb Bruno Marchal: >> >>> On 13 Jun 2020, at 22:22, Telmo Menezes >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 05:01, schrieb Brent Meeker: On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/14/2020 4:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 05:43, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/2020 9:00 AM,

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 16:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:26:11 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Jun 2020, at 15:00, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> How In The Penrose-Hameroff Paradigm The Forms of Space-time Curvatures Can >> Be

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 14:01, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 4:55:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 14 Jun 2020, at 03:06, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 2:52:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 Jun 2020, at

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:43:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Jun 2020, at 14:01, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 4:55:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 Jun 2020, at 03:06, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at

Re: The size of the universe

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:54 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > >> >> My point is that your arguments are >> >> totally flawed. You stated that a free field theory is analogous to >> >> a set

Re: The size of the universe

2020-06-15 Thread Alan Grayson
On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:53:27 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: >> >>> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even