I have liked the arguments about 15 years ago tween Hameroff and Penrose on one side and Max Tegmark on the other. What was involved with the idea that the brain's microtubles function as quantum computing, while Tegmark said, No it can't be because quantum computing involved insanely COLD environments and that is not the human brain. What Penrose and Hameroff were really promoting were quantum fields aka quantum electrodynamics, which we find everywhere in nature, including bird splat on the sidewalks. I could surely see that quantum fields functioning as a basis for consciousness. Tegmark and Hameroff ended their argument several years, ago, amicably, with Tegmark.
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2020 7:49 am Subject: Re: My view of Bruno's theory On 14 Jun 2020, at 16:12, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:26:11 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jun 2020, at 15:00, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: How In The Penrose-Hameroff Paradigm The Forms of Space-time Curvatures Can Be Connected With The Eternal Platonic Ideas Or Forms In The Qualia Of Our Experiences And ChoicesGerard Blommestijn (Amstelveen, Netherlands) Crazy. Yes. Bruno I found this to be the most interesting (in physical terms) by a grad student: Which abstract (talks or posters) is most interesting to you? Is Subjectivity a Field? Subjectivity concerns the first person experience. We cannot equate a first person notion with a third person notion. May be subjectivity can be associated to some filed, and indeed, to any Turing universal one, but we cannot associate a field to any subjective experience, we have to associate all computation leading to that experience, which will contains those supported by Turing universal fields, but also those supported by the game of life, the lambda expressions, the natural numbers, etc. I let you read the paper to mention, and to see if it is coherent with mechanism. Bruno PS I am interrogating student “at a distance” right now …. Apology if I am to short in my answers. Ask any question, and be patient for the answer. Greg Horne ( https://philosophy.utoronto.ca/directory/greg-horne/ )(Philosophy, University of Toronto, Toronto, ONTARIO Canada) https://eagle.sbs.arizona.edu/sc/report_poster_detail.php?abs=3872 (in Poster Sessions, TSC Consciousness Reboot, https://consciousness.arizona.edu/concurrents ) @phiiiptjhrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6cddb11d-c46b-4f37-bfe7-c37213bd030co%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FFDAD537-1A65-4F96-82F5-8F52F9717748%40ulb.ac.be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1813258408.966436.1592248875886%40mail.yahoo.com.
