Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Dec 2012, at 17:40, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal This is just an intuition. IMHO conventional physics and math applies to this bifurcated world, where every action produces a reaction, the world is objective/subjective, magnetic monopoles are impossible, etc.,etc. I am not

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I am suggestings that such quandries be resolved on multiple levels in the same universe, not multiple universes. Occam's Razor. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/21/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal This is just an intuition. IMHO conventional physics and math applies to this bifurcated world, where every action produces a reaction, the world is objective/subjective, magnetic monopoles are impossible, etc.,etc. This also shows up in quantum physics, where a bit can be

Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:27, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Why just 8? I would have expected every possible person points pf view consistent with MWI. Richard There is 8 main types of points of view given by: Dear Bruno,

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal It would be interesting to see which logical statements apply to the monadic=quantum domain, which is beyond space and time. Part of Quantum Information theory. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/18/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen

Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Dec 2012, at 19:22, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/16/2012 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2012, at 18:58, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The 1p is not left out. Eventually comp singles out eight person

Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-17 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Why just 8? I would have expected every possible person points pf view consistent with MWI. Richard There is 8 main types of points of view given by: Dear Bruno, p 1 Bp 2 Bp p 3 Bp Dt 4 Bp Dt

Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Dec 2012, at 18:58, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The 1p is not left out. Eventually comp singles out eight person points of view. If you think comp left out the person, you miss the meaning of the comp hope, or

Re: Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Pardon my ignorance, but what is Dt ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-16, 04:47:59

Re: On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2012, at 18:58, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The 1p is not left out. Eventually comp singles out eight person points of view. If you think comp left out the person, you

On the need for perspective and relations in modelling the mind

2012-12-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Indeed, we can not code for [1p]. But we need not abandon itr entirely, as you seem to have done, and as cognitive theory has done. We can replace [1p] by its actions - those of perception, in which terms are relational (subject: object). You seem to deal with everything