Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

On 21/09/2007, "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You will probably agree that there are some branches of the multiverse > where you did indeed die five minutes ago, and perhaps people are > standing around staring in shock at your dead body. And supposing that > you had just had a narrow

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

On 21/09/2007, "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as functionalism, I agree that this kind of analysis argues > against it. Indeed the post from Wei Dai which introduced this concept, > which I quote here, http://www.udassa.com/origins.html (apologies for the > incompleteness of th

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

Stathis Papaioannou writes: > On 20/09/2007, "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The lifetime formulation also captures the intuition many people have > > that consciousness should not "jump around" as observer moments are > > created in the various simulations and scenarios we imagine i

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

[By the way, I notice that I do not receive my own postings back in email, which makes my archive incomplete. Does anyone know if there is a way to configure the mailing list reflector to give me back my own messages?] Russell Standish wrote: > On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 12:10:33PM -0700, "Hal Finne

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

On 20/09/2007, "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The lifetime formulation also captures the intuition many people have > that consciousness should not "jump around" as observer moments are > created in the various simulations and scenarios we imagine in our > thought experiments. That was

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 12:10:33PM -0700, "Hal Finney" wrote: > The lifetime formulation also captures the intuition many people have > that consciousness should not "jump around" as observer moments are > created in the various simulations and scenarios we imagine in our > thought experiments. Th

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

[I want to first note for the benefit of readers that I am Hal Finney and no relation to Hal Ruhl - it can be confusing having two Hal's on the list!] Rolf Nelson writes: > UDASSA (if I'm interpreting it right, Hal?) says: > > 1. The measure of programs that produce OM ("I am experiencing A, and

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

Hal wrote: > Yes, as you note later this is very similar to the concept I called > UD+ASSA or just UDASSA and described in a series of postings to this > list back in 2005. It was not original with me but actually was based > on an idea of Wei Dai, who founded this last way back in 1998. I was > w

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

> The considerations trying to solve the measure problem have not been > that primitive, but much better. The concept of a cubic meter won't > make sense in most of the universes, and to compare infinities in a > rigorous manner is nothing new to mathematicians. Both, Standish and > Schmidhuber (a

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

> and would get angry if I punched it I meant to say, "would punch me back if I punched it." It's begging the question for the search algorithm to know whether the internal mental state is "angry". -Rolf --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because yo

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

> > World-Index-Compression Postulate: The most probable way for the > > output of a random UTM program to be a single qualia, is through > > having a part of the program calculate a Universe, U, that is similar > > to the universe we currently are observing; and then having another > > part of th

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

Le 15-sept.-07, à 15:25, Rolf Nelson a écrit : > If I understand the Measure Problem correctly, we wonder why we find > ourselves in a "Goldilocks Universe" of stars and galaxies rather than > a simpler universe consisting solely of blackbody radiation, or a more > complex, unpredictable Harry P

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 01:25:04PM -, Rolf Nelson wrote: > > If I understand the Measure Problem correctly, we wonder why we find > ourselves in a "Goldilocks Universe" of stars and galaxies rather than > a simpler universe consisting solely of blackbody radiation, or a more > complex, unpred

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

Rolf writes: > World-Index-Compression Postulate: The most probable way for the > output of a random UTM program to be a single qualia, is through > having a part of the program calculate a Universe, U, that is similar > to the universe we currently are observing; and then having another > part of

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

Steven Smithee is not just a Black Belt Bayesian, but a Black Belt at Keeping Track of Who Has Said What About Cool Topics in Web Pages that are Linked To from Nowhere Else on the Internet. He pointed out , where someone (Hal Finney, if we go by 'whois') said: > A

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

You have initiated an interesting topic concerning the decision whether to consider the 3rd person view or the 1st person view to be fundamental. It is also natural to say that our experiences or qualia are fundamental, and that the existence of an external universe that we inhabit merely is a the

One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

If I understand the Measure Problem correctly, we wonder why we find ourselves in a "Goldilocks Universe" of stars and galaxies rather than a simpler universe consisting solely of blackbody radiation, or a more complex, unpredictable Harry Potter universe. 1. An attempt at the solution was that m