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LizR wrote 3-2-14:
*(JM:*
*Those people of goodwill who want to 'set' the problem by today's
knowledge/means are doing a disservice to all.* )
*Well if us people of goodwill don't look at the problem using today's
knowledge/means (and maybe try to envisage tomorrow's) who is going to do *
On 6 March 2014 12:42, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
LizR wrote 3-2-14:
*(JM:*
*Those people of goodwill who want to 'set' the problem by today's
knowledge/means are doing a disservice to all.* )
*Well if us people of goodwill don't look at the problem using today's
knowledge/means
Ghibbs, I really do take it seriously, but I have also become aware that (from
a behavioral anthropological view) even climate scientists can get corrupted,
can follow their peers in to group think, just like anyone else. So, I say,
even though its their expertise (indeed!) they may not be
Hmm. Show me how I disinformed? Oh! By disagreeing. Ah! But what are the facts?
What is the behavior of pols and billionaires? Where's the panic over
inundating waters? No crash programs? I guess its easy to be lied to, if one is
bought off by ideology in the first place. The cause and effect
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:50 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to ask 'why the closed mind FOR solar?
I have nothing against solar and I'm in favor of anything that works, but
there is a reason it hasn't taken over by now and its not because of a
sinister secret ruling cabal
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:13 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, here is some scientific evidence, in case you're interested.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
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If that chart is supposed to be scary it isn't, it shows a .74 degree
Celsius
On 3/1/2014 11:20 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On
On 3 March 2014 05:33, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Hmm. Show me how I disinformed? Oh! By disagreeing. Ah! But what are the
facts? What is the behavior of pols and billionaires? Where's the panic
over inundating waters? No crash programs? I guess its easy to be lied to,
if one is bought off by
On 3 March 2014 05:24, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
If GW is now upon us, despite weeks and weeks or artic storms here in the
continental US and Canada,
Oh, we had a cold winter so global warming's a myth! Please be serious. I
assume you know enough about climate science to realise that arctic
On 3 March 2014 07:53, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:13 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, here is some scientific evidence, in case you're interested.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
[image: Inline images 1]
If that chart is
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 01:31:28PM -0500, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:50 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to ask 'why the closed mind FOR solar?
I have nothing against solar and I'm in favor of anything that works, but
there is a reason it hasn't taken
Its not just the weather outside, its worldwide, its not matching the models I
have looked at (courtesy IPCC and NASA) and they fall down. Inaccurate. Word
games are played by your side, demonstrating that its been the 2nd hottest year
on record, squeal! But, why not go for clean energy? Do we
Dear Russell,
please allow me to address your contribution after so much of emotionally
impaired and poorly adjusted hoopla
in this discussion. Let me join your considerate way - if I am capable of -
and speak about SOME details only.
I spent a lifetime in environmentally 'infected'
Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement comes to mind. It's seen as a silent,
gradual but finalizing invasion of Europe/US sovereignty by large corporate
interests, according to Le Monde as example. Harmonization of for
example environmental and health standards entail the imposition of the
lowest,
On 3 March 2014 11:45, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I also just wanted to focus on when the climate whammy will happen, and we
can do about?
That's the $64 trillion question, indeed. I'm happy to focus on that,
rather than speculating about which left- or right-wing conspiracy is
currently
On 3 March 2014 12:42, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Its not just the weather outside, its worldwide, its not matching the
models I have looked at (courtesy IPCC and NASA) and they fall down.
Inaccurate. Word games are played by your side, demonstrating that its been
the 2nd hottest year on
On 3 March 2014 13:06, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Russell,
please allow me to address your contribution after so much of emotionally
impaired and poorly adjusted hoopla
in this discussion. Let me join your considerate way - if I am capable of
- and speak about SOME details
On 3 March 2014 13:51, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.comwrote:
Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement comes to mind. It's seen as a silent,
gradual but finalizing invasion of Europe/US sovereignty by large corporate
interests, according to Le Monde as example. Harmonization of for
Well to the idea about clathrates, is that if we cannot develop solar or
fusion, we'll have to use gas hydrate to survive and burn it, rather than
release it. I do keep informed and we do need to know what is occurring. What
does this say about our arguments?
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Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement comes to
On 3 March 2014 14:58, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Well to the idea about clathrates, is that if we cannot develop solar or
fusion, we'll have to use gas hydrate to survive and burn it, rather than
release it. I do keep informed and we do need to know what is occurring.
Yes, mining offshore
On 3 March 2014 15:33, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
You are so right about the race to the bottom. The race so good for short
term profit; so foolish for long term preservation. With leadership like
this, one could ask: who needs enemies.
Ain't that the truth. Of course
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On 3 March 2014 15:33, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com
On 3/2/2014 8:20 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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*Subject:* Re: The solar example of a town in Germany
On 3 March
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On 3/2/2014 8:20 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
From:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
It produces 4X the energy it needs just from the solar PV on the roofs of
its buildings Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish with such dilute
sources of energy. I include the link because the pictures are
Spudboy and Liz:
I wanted to ask 'why the closed mind FOR solar?' when I detected the
original title about Germany going for it. Still a closed mind to assign
the rest to coal (fossil). All that with Liz's example of NZ (hydro). No
Windfarms? no Geotherm?
In our capitalistic ways profit is the
On 2 March 2014 08:50, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Spudboy and Liz:
I wanted to ask 'why the closed mind FOR solar?'
If you know of a greater source of energy in our neighbourhood, let me know.
Still a closed mind to assign the rest to coal (fossil). All that with
Liz's example of
John, because those in power say that Global Warming is imminent, and the
solution is to switch to wind and solar, and shut off the dirty electrical
sources. The problem is these sources cannot yet do it. But the progressives
demand this anyway. It should not rationally matter what energy
On 2 March 2014 12:26, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
John, because those in power say that Global Warming is imminent, and the
solution is to switch to wind and solar, and shut off the dirty electrical
sources. The problem is these sources cannot yet do it. But the
progressives demand this
You need to power all civilization, once the leaders shut down all the dirty
power. What can we replace it with. What do we have we have ready to go. The
leaders all global Warming, so what can we do? They say its imminent.
-Original Message-
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To:
On 3/1/2014 3:31 PM, LizR wrote:
On 2 March 2014 12:26, spudboy...@aol.com mailto:spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
John, because those in power say that Global Warming is imminent, and the
solution
is to switch to wind and solar, and shut off the dirty electrical sources.
The
problem is
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John, because those in power say that Global Warming is imminent, and the
solution is to switch to wind and solar, and shut off the dirty electrical
sources. The problem is these sources
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You need to power all civilization, once the
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Chris de Morsella
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On 2 March 2014 16:05, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Yes Liz, I take the threat seriously, but am puzzled by the behavior of
politicians, in anticipation of the historic calamity. The actions, even by
true believers in AGW, does not compute. Secondly, why is North American,
and European CO2,
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:36:24 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 2 March 2014 16:05, spudb...@aol.com javascript: wrote:
Yes Liz, I take the threat seriously, but am puzzled by the behavior of
politicians, in anticipation of the historic calamity. The actions, even by
true believers in AGW, does
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Should I correct my statements to make them ideologically acceptable to
progressive minds, everywhere? Will I get a cookie if I do?
No, you won't get a cookie, but not making an ass of
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:05:55 AM UTC, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
Yes Liz, I take the threat seriously, but am puzzled by the behavior of
politicians, in anticipation of the historic calamity. The actions, even by
true believers in AGW, does not compute. Secondly, why is North American,
On 2 March 2014 18:19, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:05:55 AM UTC, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
Yes Liz, I take the threat seriously, but am puzzled by the behavior of
politicians, in anticipation of the historic calamity. The actions, even by
true believers in AGW, does
On 3/1/2014 10:12 PM, LizR wrote:
On 2 March 2014 18:19, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:05:55 AM UTC, spudb...@aol.com
mailto:spudb...@aol.com
wrote:
Yes Liz, I take the threat seriously, but am puzzled by the behavior of
On 2 March 2014 19:35, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Robert Heinlein, with whom he shared a house for a while, made a bar bet
with him that he couldn't create a religion after Hubbard had remarked that
was the way to get *really* rich.
Ah, thank you, I have to rely on 30 year old
Speaking of which, Heinlein would have loved this:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140302.html
On 2 March 2014 19:45, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 March 2014 19:35, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Robert Heinlein, with whom he shared a house for a while, made a bar bet
with him
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Speaking of which, Heinlein would have loved this:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140302.html
I grok that
One of the best words ever invented* - IMO -thank you Heinlein.
Chris
I have a friend who's daughter was leaving home in California to attend a university on
the east coast. On her last day, she and her daughter took a walk on the beach to talk
and enjoy the sunset together. It was a beautiful display of reds and yellows.
Daughter: I'm going to miss this.
On 3/1/2014 10:59 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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Speaking of which, Heinlein would have loved this:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140302.html
I grok that
One of the best words ever invented*
On 2 March 2014 20:02, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I have a friend who's daughter was leaving home in California to attend
a university on the east coast. On her last day, she and her daughter took
a walk on the beach to talk and enjoy the sunset together. It was a
beautiful
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On 3/1/2014 10:59 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
On 2 March 2014 20:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/1/2014 10:59 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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Speaking of which, Heinlein would have
It does. You cannot fake electricity. You cannot fake electric current. If you
are depending on solar power for 20% of your electricity supply, and the rest
for coal, because coal is reliable on a 7 x 24 basis, you can only rely on
solar for a slim fraction of electricity. You haven't solved
On 1 March 2014 04:59, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
It does. You cannot fake electricity. You cannot fake electric current. If
you are depending on solar power for 20% of your electricity supply, and
the rest for coal, because coal is reliable on a 7 x 24 basis, you can only
rely on solar for a
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On 1 March 2014 04:59, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
It does. You cannot fake electricity. You cannot fake electric current. If
you are depending on solar power for 20% of your electricity
It produces 4X the energy it needs just from the solar PV on the roofs of
its buildings.. Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish with such dilute
sources of energy. I include the link because the pictures are pretty cool,
and illustrate what a solar city could look like.
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany
Can you do the same with London in the UK?
Yes
Can you produce 4 times more
Chris, if this is all true and available today, or very, soon, Japan, which
experienced the core meltdown at Fukushima, has not pursued a crash program of
PV farms.?all over to replace nuclear. I read energy stuff all the time, as you
must, and have seen a PV farm at sea, proposal. But I don't
Why does it matter if London can produce 4x the energy it uses? This is why
we have national grids (which would be helped even more by being linked up
across national borders...oh hang on they already are, aren't they?) This
is why there are people in power stations keeping an eye on the load and
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