> On 16 Nov 2019, at 11:35, Eva wrote:
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> If you want to know if you are sleeping right now, look at your hands :)
> In dreams, they always have strange shapes.
Unfortunately strangeness is not enough. To test if I a dream, I often test if
I am able to fly. Once I made a dream, which I
> On 14 Nov 2019, at 23:44, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
> wrote:
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> But maybe there is a kind of experience that cannot be simulated in a dream,
> for reasons having to do for example with consciousnesses interactions.
Of course, this would require the Mechanist hypothesis to be
> On 14 Nov 2019, at 19:49, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> From the perspective of experiential realism (ER)
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> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/5Vzj0mFW4KM/_qZECzTTAwAJ
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> the experience that occurs in a dream could be the same as an experience that
> occurs when awake.
On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 10:18:47 AM UTC-6, Eva wrote:
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> @Lawrence Crowell
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> Schisophrenic voices etc. are illusory, sure, but they are not dreams.
>
In one sense yes, but schizophrenia is where the mind generates all sorts
of phantasms, and dreams are similar. Some of these people
If you want to know if you are sleeping right now, look at your hands :)
In dreams, they always have strange shapes.
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*> What would be a sure phenomenon that can help us distinguish between
> dreams and "real world" ?*
>
There is no sure fire method but there are useful rules of thumb, dreams
tend to be
@Lawrence Crowell
Schisophrenic voices etc. are illusory, sure, but they are not dreams.
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That's the question: is it contingent to facts about our brain ? Or is it
something more fundamental about how consciousness works ?
On Friday, 15 November 2019 01:52:57 UTC+2, stathisp wrote:
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> What you call the phenomenon of sense disappearance is a contingent fact
> about our brain. We
Actually the sex dream is a good example of experiential realism.
One can certainly have the bodily results [
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_emission ] of a "real" awake
episode, but the experience (Galen Strawson sense) you have while dreaming
is real.
@philipthrift
On Thursday,
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 at 20:50, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
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> What would be a sure phenomenon that can help us distinguish between
> dreams and "real world" ? Because no matter how illogical a dream world
> might be, this doesn't make us realize
The *episode* (*I'm picking up and drinking a cup of tea*) in a dream may
be simulated, but the *experience* itself I have is not simulated. At least
for an experience realist, it seems to me.
@philipthrift
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-6, Cosmin Visan wrote:
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> But maybe
But maybe there is a kind of experience that cannot be simulated in a
dream, for reasons having to do for example with consciousnesses
interactions.
On Thursday, 14 November 2019 20:49:28 UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> From the perspective of *experiential realism (ER)*
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When did you have sex last time ? Go get laid to relax and then come back
here. Internet retards!
On Thursday, 14 November 2019 20:17:21 UTC+2, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> Generally people who are not able to distinguish between a real conscious
> state and a dream state need psychiatric
>From the perspective of *experiential realism (ER)*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/5Vzj0mFW4KM/_qZECzTTAwAJ
the experience that occurs in a dream *could be the same* as an experience
that occurs when awake.
Say the experience is DaCoT = drinking a cup of tea (the feel
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 3:50:45 AM UTC-6, Cosmin Visan wrote:
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> What would be a sure phenomenon that can help us distinguish between
> dreams and "real world" ? Because no matter how illogical a dream world
> might be, this doesn't make us realize that we are in a dream. So the
>
> On 14 Nov 2019, at 10:50, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
> wrote:
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> What would be a sure phenomenon that can help us distinguish between dreams
> and "real world" ? Because no matter how illogical a dream world might be,
> this doesn't make us realize that we are in a dream.
Not
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