On 01 Mar 2014, at 18:14, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrot
information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest
level. The integers are abstract things that aren't made
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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Google translates pie chart by camembert and apple pie, which
makes what you say rather funny.
I've noticed this too. I think the French equivalent is graphe circulaire.
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On 03 Mar 2014, at 23:33, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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Google translates pie chart by camembert and apple pie, which
makes what you say rather funny.
I've noticed this too. I think the French equivalent is graphe
circulaire.
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudb...@aol.com
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Not to be a dick
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrot
information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level.
The integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything except other
numbers and once you
On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:54:19 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript:
wrote:
information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level. The
integers
If one can believe TV shows, antiques dealers are a bunch of rogues hoping
to fleece old dears out of a fortune by giving them a tiny payout for some
valuable item they've kept in the attic for decades and don't realise the
true value of.
On 2 March 2014 12:34, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On
Liz,
Well, we already know we get your knowledge of physics from TV shows so why
not your knowledge, or lack thereof, of other subjects as well?
:-)
And you should really learn the difference between antiques and
antiquities. You just display your continuing dismal ignorance by confusing
On 27 February 2014 21:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
When I last took a look at constructor theory, it wasn't much of a
theory. I know David's been working on it, when he's not doing the
chat show circuit, but hadn't heard any major development in it
announced, so haven't
All,
In the computational theory of reality I present in my book, information is
not physical, but it is real and is the fundamental component of reality,
Information is what computes physicality, or more accurately what is
interpreted as physicality in the minds of organismic beings in their
On 27 February 2014 22:22, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Only when interpreted by an observer. An electrical circuit has only
voltages and currents, not bits. To an observer, a voltage on a data
line might be interpreted as 1 if it is greater than 3V, and zero if
it is less
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Not to be a dick, but is not information or data perforations, and
pulses,
in mater and energy
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Not to be a dick, but is not information or data
On 28 Feb 2014, at 13:09, David Nyman wrote:
On 27 February 2014 21:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
When I last took a look at constructor theory, it wasn't much of a
theory. I know David's been working on it, when he's not doing the
chat show circuit, but hadn't heard any
Surely information is an emergent concept, like entropy? Hence it isn't
physical, because the physical MAY be fundamental - but even if it isn't,
it's at a lower level than information.
It might happen to turn out that information underlies the physical - it
from bit - but that would not be what
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level. The
integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything except other
numbers and once you
John,
I agree that the substrate that information manifests in is NOT physical,
it is abstract in the sense of no physicality. But the information that
constitutes the universe is REAL, so the substrate it exists within is the
real actual presence of existence itself. That's what brings it to
On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:04:29 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
John,
I agree that the substrate that information manifests in is NOT physical,
it is abstract in the sense of no physicality. But the information that
constitutes the universe is REAL, so the substrate it exists within
Craig,
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. The substrate is itself formless
(somewhat analogous to the concept of Tao). Within that arises all the
forms whose computational interactions compute the current state of the
universe. These computations compute on the basis of the laws of
On Friday, February 28, 2014 7:30:22 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Craig,
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. The substrate is itself formless
(somewhat analogous to the concept of Tao). Within that arises all the
forms whose computational interactions compute the current state of
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Not to be a dick, but is not information or data perforations, and
pulses,
in mater and energy? This is how we
On 28 Feb 2014, at 21:54, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net
wrote:
information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level.
The integers are abstract things that aren't
Deutsch cites the discovery of the neutrino as an application of energy conservation, but
he doesn't seem to notice that energy conservation is simply a consequence of requiring
that our theories by time-translation invariant. It's exactly the kind of impossibility
restriction he hopes to get
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his view
that mathematicians are mistaken if
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Subject: Re: Is information physical?
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Not to be a dick, but is not information or data perforations, and
pulses, in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from
background noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not
matter or
On 2/27/2014 1:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Not to be a dick, but is not information or data perforations, and
pulses, in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from
background noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not
matter or energy?
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