Hi Bruno and Roger,
What would distinguish, for an external observer, a p-zombie
from a person that does not see the world external to it as anything
other than an internal panorama with which it cannot interact?
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Onward!
Stephen
Hi Stephan,
That sounds like autism to me.
Roger
WHOEVER: Hi Bruno and Roger,
What would distinguish, for an external observer, a p-zombie from a a
person that does not see the world external to it as anything other than an
internal panorama with which it cannot interact?
BRUNO: Nobody can distinguish a p-zombie from a human, even
Hi Bruno Marchal
You say
"No, a zombie will stop at the red light. By definition it behaves like
a human, or like a conscious entity. "
My problem is that the definition is an absurdity to begin with.
If he has no mind, he could not know what a red light means.
He could not know anything.
Roger
Different Qualia are a result fo different phisical effect in the senses.
So a machine does not need to have qualia to distinguish between phisical
effectds. It only need sensors that distinguish between them.
A sensor can detect a red light and the attached computer can stop a car.
With no
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Time: 2012-10-19, 08:42:36
Subject: RE: RE: A test for solipsism
> Hi William R. Buckley
>
> You can speak to a potential test subject,
> but it can only reply if it indeed has a mind.
This is an assumption you make.
> This is the Turing test, the result
Hi Bruno Marchal
In that definition of a p-zombie below, it says that
a p-zombie cannot experience qualia, and qualia
are what the senses tell you. The mind then transforms
what is sensed into a sensation. The sense of red
is what the body gives you, the sensation of red
is what the mind transf
> Hi William R. Buckley
>
> You can speak to a potential test subject,
> but it can only reply if it indeed has a mind.
This is an assumption you make.
> This is the Turing test, the results of which are not
> certain. But it is the only test I can think of unless
> you want to get into the C
Hi William R. Buckley
You can speak to a potential test subject,
but it can only reply if it indeed has a mind. This
is the Turing test, the results of which are not certain.
But it is the only test I can think of unless you
want to get into the Chinese room argument, etc.
If it does not rep
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Time: 2012-10-18, 17:48:57
Subject: Re: Re: A test for solipsism
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:58:29PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Stathis Papaioannou
>
> If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you.
> If not, not.
>
If true, then you have
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:58:29PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Stathis Papaioannou
>
> If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you.
> If not, not.
>
If true, then you have demonstrated the non-existence of zombies
(zombies, by definition, are indistinguishable from real people
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you.
If not, not.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/18/2012
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