Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 9/25/2013 8:54 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> On 9/23/2013 3:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, John Mikes wrote: >> >> Telmo: >> >>

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-25 Thread meekerdb
On 9/25/2013 8:54 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/23/2013 3:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, John Mikes wrote: Telmo: would you have (by any chance...) a brief identification of something that comes to your mind whe

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-25 Thread Chris de Morsella
s.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 9/23/2013 12:16 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Why do you hold 'computational resources' as fu

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 9/23/2013 3:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, John Mikes wrote: >>> >>> >Telmo: >>> > >>> >would you have (by any chance...) a brief identification of something >>> > that >>> >comes to your mind when speaking

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 9/23/2013 12:16 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Why do you hold 'computational resources' as fundamental to being alive? > Computation is a human mental peculiarity - an 'evolved resource' by 'being > alive' (whatever that means). > > > In the sense

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:16 PM, John Mikes wrote: > Telmo, thanks for your effort of replying. > However... (there is always one): > You haven't seen ALL and the BEST robots, have you? I admit my ignorance, of course. > Batteries are some > primitive gadgets for a starting line of development.

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread meekerdb
On 9/23/2013 3:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, John Mikes wrote: >Telmo: > >would you have (by any chance...) a brief identification of something that >comes to your mind when speaking about " l i f e " ? (And please, forget >about the"bio" of this Earthbound Ter

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread meekerdb
On 9/23/2013 12:16 PM, John Mikes wrote: Why do you hold 'computational resources' as fundamental to being alive? Computation is a human mental peculiarity - an 'evolved resource' by '_being_ alive' (whatever that means). In the sense of writing equations and numbers down or doing arithmetic.

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread meekerdb
On 9/23/2013 12:32 PM, John Mikes wrote: I have a profound respect to Dawkins, but why should I believe him? Why would you restrict the 'genes' to those (physical worldly - conventional scientific) measurements that show a 'match' to the 'parents' similarly superficially mapped genes? That's a

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread John Mikes
I have a profound respect to Dawkins, but why should I believe him? Why would you restrict the 'genes' to those (physical worldly - conventional scientific) measurements that show a 'match' to the 'parents' similarly superficially mapped genes? All 'networks' go infinite with branching further and

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread John Mikes
Brent - REPRODUCTION - in our 'biology' there is only one strain that reproduces: the prokaryotes by mitosis. In most(?) heterosex procreation you take TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES and by combining some products of them you CREATE a third one, not identical to any of the "procreating" parents. Biolog

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread John Mikes
Telmo, thanks for your effort of replying. However... (there is always one): You haven't seen ALL and the BEST robots, have you? Batteries are some primitive gadgets for a starting line of development. What is "deeply"? And what is that 'energy' you invoke? (And: YES, they CAN rebuild damaged part

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread meekerdb
On 9/23/2013 11:49 AM, John Mikes wrote: Brent - REPRODUCTION - in our 'biology' there is only one strain that reproduces: the prokaryotes by mitosis. In most(?) heterosex procreation you take TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES and by combining some products of them you CREATE a third one, not identical

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 23, 2013 12:45:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > > > For 'life', in contrast to 'being alive', I'd add reproduction. That's the > real defining > characteristic of life. > > You don't have to reproduce to be alive though, and any chain reaction can be considered reproduction.

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Telmo: > > would you have (by any chance...) a brief identification of something that > comes to your mind when speaking about " l i f e " ? (And please, forget > about the"bio" of this Earthbound Terrestrial Biosphere). > (To identify " live

RE: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
discovery of life coming to Earth from space On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:52:41AM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Damn there goes pangea lol > Just to be persnickety, Pangaea is the name given to the last supercontinent, ca 300Mya. What you are thinking of is panspermia, the idea that li

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:52:41AM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Damn there goes pangea lol > Just to be persnickety, Pangaea is the name given to the last supercontinent, ca 300Mya. What you are thinking of is panspermia, the idea that life was seeded from space. Cheers -- --

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-21 Thread John Mikes
Telmo: would you have (by any chance...) a brief identification of something that comes to your mind when speaking about " l i f e " ? (And please, forget about the"bio" of this Earthbound Terrestrial Biosphere). (To identify " live " is a bit easier I think.) John M On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 8

RE: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
amasinghe Director of the Centre for Astrobiology, University of Buckingham. -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
Unfortunately this appears to be bs: http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/20/136220/alien-life-story-of-dubious-provenance-goes-viral (but what do I know!) Best, Telmo. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Seems like the Pangea hypothesis might have gotten some evide

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-20 Thread Chris de Morsella
Seems like the Pangea hypothesis might have gotten some evidence... wouldn't say this is conclusive though, but it is intriguing. -Chris   Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space Scientists from the University of Sheffield believe they have found life arriving to Earth from