Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Nov 2011, at 10:01, Pierz wrote: OK, at last some time to sit down and reply properly. I want to come back on this point about measuring proportions of an infinite set - the measure theory you speak of. Now it seems clear enough that to measure such proportions (say, the proportion of eve

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-22 Thread Pierz
OK, at last some time to sit down and reply properly. I want to come back on this point about measuring proportions of an infinite set - the measure theory you speak of. Now it seems clear enough that to measure such proportions (say, the proportion of even numbers in the set of natural numbers) on

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2011, at 21:54, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:23:57PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Ricardo, On 19 Nov 2011, at 16:33, R AM wrote: Has Eric Vandenbush written a paper about how complex numbers are derived from UDA? He has some health problem, and rarely finish

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2011, at 17:27, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Bruno, I had few questions regarding some of the things said in your post. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2011, at 03:02, Pierz wrote: David Deutsch's idea of a good explanation is one that closely matches

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:27:20AM -0600, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > > > More general physical principals like the Schrodinger equation might be > > applicable to all observers if it is truly, as Russell staid, a theory of > > observat

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Russell Standish
Yes - the terminology of complex numbers in Mathematics (and real/imaginary numbers) is unfortunate. Forunately, hardly anyone gets confused :). I am interested in Eric Vanderbusch's result, of course, because one of the least satisfactory parts of my derivation of quantum mechanics is the use of

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:27:20AM -0600, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > More general physical principals like the Schrodinger equation might be > applicable to all observers if it is truly, as Russell staid, a theory of > observation. But something like the weight of the electron, the > Gravitation

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread John Mikes
Russell, 5 minutes after I "sent" my letter on complexity to you, here is your next piece explaining that I misunderstood the topic. Of cours "a theory on complex numbers" is quite different from what I had in mind. Sorry John M On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:23:57PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Ricardo, > > On 19 Nov 2011, at 16:33, R AM wrote: > > >Has Eric Vandenbush written a paper about how complex numbers are > >derived from UDA? > > > He has some health problem, and rarely finish papers. Sorry. I work > hard to encou

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Nov 2011, at 12:27, Pierz wrote: Thank you for this reply. You mention a lot of theory I'm unfamiliar with as yet, so I will have to do some study before I can make a sensible response. OK. I've never heard you call it a problem rather than a solution before, but that enhances my un

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Jason Resch
Hi Bruno, I had few questions regarding some of the things said in your post. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Nov 2011, at 03:02, Pierz wrote: > > David Deutsch's idea >> of a good explanation is one that closely matches the structure of the >> thing it describe

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Ricardo, On 19 Nov 2011, at 16:33, R AM wrote: Has Eric Vandenbush written a paper about how complex numbers are derived from UDA? He has some health problem, and rarely finish papers. Sorry. I work hard to encourage him to finish a paper on those complex numbers. I will let you know if

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Ricardo, On 19 Nov 2011, at 16:12, R AM wrote: I've been following the list for a couple of months now and I sort of share Piertz worries about randomness. Here is a summary of what I've understood this far. The UDA might imply lots of white rabbits but only those computations with sel

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread R AM
Has Eric Vandenbush written a paper about how complex numbers are derived from UDA? Ricardo El nov 19, 2011 9:49 a.m., "Bruno Marchal" escribió: > > On 19 Nov 2011, at 03:02, Pierz wrote: > > In a previous post I launched a kamizake assault on UDA which was >> justly cut to shreds on the basis

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-20 Thread R AM
Dear Bruno, I've been following the list for a couple of months now and I sort of share Piertz worries about randomness. Here is a summary of what I've understood this far. The UDA might imply lots of white rabbits but only those computations with self-reference to have to be taken into account.

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-19 Thread Pierz
I think Evan Harris Walker makes the same point in The Physics of Consciousness (a book that provides a very clear explanation of Bell's theorem, though his speculations on the brain appear egregiously wrong). I don't think though that the point you're making here is quite the same as mine however

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-19 Thread Pierz
Thank you for this reply. You mention a lot of theory I'm unfamiliar with as yet, so I will have to do some study before I can make a sensible response. I've never heard you call it a problem rather than a solution before, but that enhances my understanding of where these ideas fit in your field.

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Nov 2011, at 03:02, Pierz wrote: In a previous post I launched a kamizake assault on UDA which was justly cut to shreds on the basis of a number of misunderstandings on my part, perhaps most crucially my conflation of information and computation. I claimed that the UD cannot be distinguis

Re: UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2011 6:02 PM, Pierz wrote: So if there are infinite pathways where I turn into a giraffe, as there must be, there is no way for my 1-p experience to select probabilistically among these pathways. I can no longer say, if the set of calculation pathways is infinite, that giraffe transforma

UDA refutation take 2

2011-11-18 Thread Pierz
In a previous post I launched a kamizake assault on UDA which was justly cut to shreds on the basis of a number of misunderstandings on my part, perhaps most crucially my conflation of information and computation. I claimed that the UD cannot be distinguished from the set of all possible informatio