Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-10 Thread Franki
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Just as an aside: Did you post a report to MandrakeBizCases? http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/modules.php?name=Submit_News They are always glad to hear such things and the numerous reports on the site serve well as argumentation help for people trying to persuade their

[expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread James Sparenberg
Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Jack Coates
Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their desktop offering in the server room. They've chosen a method that cuts off the nose to spite the face, but I still

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Vox
On September 1993 plus 3721 days James Sparenberg wrote: Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Uhm...for their own code, yes, they can...it won't be the GPL any more, but it's their own license. Depending on the changes, it may or may not still be Free Software and/or Open

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Praedor Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. I use it exclusively but then I have been playing with linux for

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 am, Jack Coates wrote: Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their desktop offering in the server room. They've chosen a

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Luca Olivetti
Jack Coates wrote: worst case scenario is a hated albatross cousin to RH server, best case scenario is that they've spawned their own new competitor. http://www.caosity.org Bye -- - Yo tambiƩn quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Jack Coates
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 06:22, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 am, Jack Coates wrote: Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Praedor Atrebates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I myself would not automatically say, Use linux instead! It's just as good as windoze with regards to desktop use. In many cases it IS as good, if not better, than doze. No viruses, more stable, etc, but it does come at a cost of increased

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Terry Smith
I'm not sure I'm in total agreement. The computing community is not made up of only two types of users: experts (many of whom use linux) and complete neophytes (who, for the sake of argument, use Windows). There is, in fact, a wide spectrum of folks - some of whom want an appliance, those who are

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:54 am, Jack Coates wrote: That's good strategy in the proprietary world, but the open source community around both distributions has to buy into the idea for it to work in this case. Well, it is new but I think that once the community realizes that RH is

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation.

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
Franki schrieb am Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:58:46 +0800: Perth has dozens of small business servers (biggest company has 40 employees) All of them are mandrake, non are 9.2 (yet) but that might change sometime soon when I am happy with it. (servers are 7.2 mostly, but some 8.1/8.2/9.0 machines

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Kwan Lowe
I would LOVE to be able to do this in OpenOffice. I would LOVE for the document on the screen to appear as it does when I print it out (Lyx gives no indication of what the output will actually look like). LyX and LaTeX not WYSIWYG editors and actually make it a point in their documentation.

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 06:22, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 am, Jack Coates wrote: Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Basically I interpret what he said as, Thanks to your devotion over the last 8 years we have a solid product, now fsck off and don't bother us anymore. Your work, time and effort we didn't pay for, has been of tremendous value to

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Vox
On September 1993 plus 3721 days Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. I

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Praedor Atrebates
Yes, I know lyx is not WYSIWYG and that it is advertised as the ridiculous WYSIWYM (what you see is what you mean). In point of fact, it is the result of being stuck working with Latex via a GUI. It does a lot to remove the need of learning an entire programing language (LaTex) just to

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Praedor Atrebates
Fine. Do they all have root password available so they can do updates, reconfigure, build and install? These are things that are essentially handfed to windoze users. You click on an install button and app X is installed. Done. On linux this requires root. Simple enough if you are used

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Phil G.
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:49:57 -0500, Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine. I'm not disagreeing. But I have a couple observations. Now that Christmas ads are in full force, I noticed there is no reason for me to look at the software ads. Pre-linux I was always buying something,

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 15:49, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Fine. Do they all have root password available so they can do updates, reconfigure, build and install? These are things that are essentially handfed to windoze users. You click on an install button and app X is installed. Done. On

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Jack Coates
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 16:47, Phil G. wrote: ... I have two pc's and a firewall pc, and since getting rid of windows my TCO has gone down - not only because of licensing fees but also my time. My kids are able to use linux without help from me (use, not administer) whereas with windows

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I've noticed the exact same thing, DL. In fact a young person I know recently told me that he could install and run Mandrake without trouble, yet couldn't seem to get winblowz to operate as easily, and deferred to a local shop for

Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?

2003-11-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 1:04 am, James Sparenberg wrote: As for spam filtering. Can't find one that works right in windows. Just flat not fine grained enough or easy enough for someone like my wife to use/install. Some things are admin tasks and need to remain that way. No matter what OS.