Hi David,
The drakautoinst method I'm imagining would avoid all the
issues and (most
of the) complications involved with using urpmi (or apt-get or similiar
program) to upgrade an installation. In terms of package
management the
I've been trying that method more or less with success
The drakautoinst method I'm imagining would avoid all the issues and (most
of the) complications involved with using urpmi (or apt-get or similiar
program) to upgrade an installation. In terms of package management the
I've been trying that method more or less with success for many
different
This time [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox)
becomes daring and writes:
The drakautoinst method I'm imagining would avoid all the issues and (most
of the) complications involved with using urpmi (or apt-get or similiar
program) to upgrade an installation. In terms of package management the
: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a
machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade
Should be. I've wondered the same thing, although
Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a
machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade
Should be. I've wondered the same thing, although not in the
context of drakautoinst.
Debian (for instance) allows you to do a dist-upgrade (aka
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 21:22, David E. Fox wrote:
Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a
machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade
Should be. I've wondered the same thing, although not in the
context of drakautoinst.
Debian
There was talk about updates being available for this product for three
years. But at present i only see a one year support cycle.
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/corporate-server
and
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg65843.html
from which i quote
quote
From: Vincent Danen
Whups, i should finish reading the posts before replying. Sorry Vincent.
On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:26, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Tue Mar 04, 2003 at 10:52:18PM -0500, Jim Hubbard wrote:
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their
snip
will happen I think in about a
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 10:40:42PM +1300, Michael Adams wrote:
There was talk about updates being available for this product for three
years. But at present i only see a one year support cycle.
Support as in phone support... this does not refer to updates support. The
EOL for each product is
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 10:57:45PM +1300, Michael Adams wrote:
Whups, i should finish reading the posts before replying. Sorry Vincent.
Apparently I suffer from the same symptoms. =) See my reply to your reply.
On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:26, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Tue Mar 04, 2003 at
Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests
for requests like:
When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such.
Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 14:26, Vincent Danen wrote:
Corporate Server 2.1 was just announced, and it has a 3 year life policy.
It's also cheaper than RHAS I believe. There is your choice. Supporting
9.1 for 3 years isn't an option. Mandrake Linux 9.1 is a desktop OS and
while it works quite
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 09:39:07PM -0500, Bill Mullen wrote:
Corporate Server 2.1 was just announced, and it has a 3 year life policy.
It's also cheaper than RHAS I believe. There is your choice. Supporting
9.1 for 3 years isn't an option. Mandrake Linux 9.1 is a desktop OS and
while it
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 7:24 am, Bill Mullen wrote:
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:52, Jim Hubbard wrote:
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their
end of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut
out the very folks who made their distro popular
Jim Hubbard wrote:
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end
of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the
very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to
a paid service and by saying that they'll only
On Wednesday March 5 2003 01:00 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 19:52, Jim Hubbard wrote:
Oh and one more thing. For God's sake please don't release iso's
this time until AFTER the retail product is on shelves.
No one point you made is more loudly echo'd by me than the
I agree that the boxed sets should be made available before the download
version. Possibly four weeks before would be a good timescale.
However, I can see problems with making a version available for club members
to download at the same time as the boxed versions are available.
This assumes
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WHen I first heard Mandrake had problems I upped my club
membership to silver
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 10:55 am, Keith Powell wrote:
This makes it a very difficult decision for people who either have no
credit card, or who, like me will not send my credit card details either
over the internet or by the equally open FAX. They will not even accept
credit card details
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:27, Anne Wilson wrote:
...
As for the idea of making early downloads available to club members, it would
only work if club members don't pass on copies until the boxed sets are
available. It could work, though, if club members use that time to get to
know the
Hi Keith,
Using HTTPS is much more secure than sending via post. I am also in the
UK, I have never been the victim of online fraud. However before the
net revolution some one did charge my CC and it was refunded. All
online CC have a garentee against fraud just like anything else.
MDK could
www.rock.lug.net
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Hi Keith
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 12:14 pm, J. Grant wrote:
Hi Keith,
Using HTTPS is much more secure than sending via post. I am also in the
UK, I have never been the victim of online fraud. However before the
net revolution some one did charge my CC and it was refunded. All
online CC have a
I'm pretty sure there was a good reason for redhat to make life shorter
for their releases. After all it is the only commercially
successful distro. They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot or in the
head like that I'm positive they know what they're doing.
No serious admin. would install
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 08:22, Jack Coates wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 01:27, Anne Wilson wrote:
...
As for the idea of making early downloads available to club members, it would
only work if club members don't pass on copies until the boxed sets are
available. It could work, though, if
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests
for requests like:
When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such.
Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the picture. So they
had to put an eol on there. I know, there are plentyof other reasons,
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 07:55, Keith Powell wrote:
I agree that the boxed sets should be made available before the download
version. Possibly four weeks before would be a good timescale.
However, I can see problems with making a version available for club members
to download at the same time
On Wednesday 05 Mar 2003 6:52 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 07:55, Keith Powell wrote:
A small Canadian firm from whom I buy things, will accept payment by any
of the above methods, and also by a cheque made out in GB Pounds for the
current rate of exchange between
On Tue Mar 04, 2003 at 10:52:18PM -0500, Jim Hubbard wrote:
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end
of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the
very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to
a paid
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 02:24:09AM -0500, Bill Mullen wrote:
[...]
Another possible benefit of Jim's proposal is the shift it could bring
in the (wholly inaccurate, but unfortunately all too common) perception
of Mandrake as a limited distro that is exclusively aimed at the
desktop user and
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 10:49:02AM -0800, Ric Tibbetts wrote:
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests
for requests like:
When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such.
Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the picture. So they
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 5:35 pm, Jim Hubbard wrote:
This thread is beginning to stray from the original point I was trying
to make, which is that Mandrake has an opportunity to pick up where
Redhat has left off. There are many folks out there that are looking
for the same benefits that
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:31, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 10:49:02AM -0800, Ric Tibbetts wrote:
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests
for requests like:
When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such.
Truth is, they
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open-source users the wrong way, including me. Mandrake has exactly
the right idea with MandrakeClub, but unfortunately, the current EOL
policy (Mandrake's and Redhat's) is just a
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On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 02:24:09AM -0500, Bill Mullen wrote:
[...]
Another possible benefit of Jim's proposal is the shift
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:37:32PM -0800, Todd Lyons wrote:
open-source users the wrong way, including me. Mandrake has exactly
the right idea with MandrakeClub, but unfortunately, the current EOL
policy (Mandrake's and Redhat's) is just a dealbreaker when it comes
to a server OS.
Just
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
I think part of Redhats motivation was the far too numerious requests
for requests like:
When will redhat make rpms for kde3.1 for Redhat 7.3? And such.
Truth is, they won't. But people don't seem to get the
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James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800 :
And moreif you have ever tried to compile a kernel on 8.0 grin
I've seen people complain about this. I think I'm going to find an 8.0
machine and see what the big hubbub is
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 04:39:13AM +0800, Franki wrote:
my concern with all of this..
is that M$ is telling people that the lower cost of linux (ie they mean
free) is
not the full picture, and the extra training etc and so on should be taken
into account when working out TCO...
with
...
rgds
Franki
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Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2003 4:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 04:39:13AM +0800, Franki wrote:
my concern
3:49 PM
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On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 12:37:32PM -0800, Todd Lyons wrote:
open-source users the wrong way, including me.
Mandrake has exactly
the right idea with MandrakeClub, but unfortunately,
the current EOL
This is sort of tangential to the EOL discussion but...
Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a
machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade
option which so rarely succeeds it seems like it wouldn't necessarily be
hard to automate the
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 12:35, Jim Hubbard wrote:
This thread is beginning to stray from the original point I was trying
to make, which is that Mandrake has an opportunity to pick up where
Redhat has left off. There are many folks out there that are looking
for the same benefits that running
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 06:11:43AM +0800, Franki wrote:
noone is suggesting that it all be given away for free.
Microsoft spend big dollars before each release working out exactly what $$$
amount would net them the most sales/most income..(not alway the same
thing)...
It just seems
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Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2003 7:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 06:11:43AM +0800, Franki wrote:
noone is suggesting that it all be given away for free
On Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 05:12:58PM -0500, Jim Hubbard wrote:
(You need to fix your reply-to)
You know, I understand that developing software is hard. I know I
can't do it. And not to make light of developer's efforts (many of
them volunteers!), but to someone who's choosing a server OS, it
On Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 07:33:34AM +0800, Franki wrote:
Thanks.. I'll do that (place my wish)
I have never used any linux support other then updates and mailing lists...
and I get bye... rtfm and stfw has worked pretty well for the most part..
so yes.. I'll email that wish through...
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 12:54, Todd Lyons wrote:
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James Sparenberg wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:29:42PM -0800 :
And moreif you have ever tried to compile a kernel on 8.0 grin
I've seen people complain about this. I think I'm going to
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end
of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the
very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to
a paid service and by saying that they'll only support a release for 1
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 19:52, Jim Hubbard wrote:
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end
of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the
very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to
a paid service and
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:52, Jim Hubbard wrote:
I think that now is a really good time for Mandrake to reconsider their end
of life policy. Here's how I see it: Redhat has effectively shut out the
very folks who made their distro popular by changing their update system to
a paid service and
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