[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, as I recall, perhaps incorrectly, that you wished I would > never use your name again. I replied to your post in which you had said I and others are making claims to enlightenment, or higher states of c

[FairfieldLife] Re: 24 as done with 1994 technology

2007-11-25 Thread pranamoocher
Vaj: As a certified 24 "groupie", I can state that it doesn't get any funnier than that. That was the best!! Nice find. PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 24 as done with 1994 technology > > http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1788161 >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
As you please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK, let's compare and contrast the quality of this first post: > > > > > > Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the > infinitely > > > > > radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particl

[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
Actually, the brilliance is all yours. I simply, clumsily, connected a few dots to the great -- cross-training, put it all in the ring -- vision that you presented. I have never followed UFC -- too engrossed in womens tennis and alpine skiing perhaps. But I have gained an appreciation for it from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
OK, let's compare and contrast the quality of this first post: > > > > Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitely > > > > radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particlees collide in this big > > > > chamber and go "boom boom"! Or one about dragons. I love the ones > > > > a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > if > > they find themselves fortunate enough to experience the death of all > > illusion, their previous ridicule might be a somewhat humbling and > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if > they find themselves fortunate enough to experience the death of all > illusion, their previous ridicule might be a somewhat humbling and > embarrassing memory. And then tomorrow, a deeper set of illusion may d

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "As for those who ridicule such dialogues, it occurs to me that if > they find themselves fortunate enough to experience the death of all > illusion, their previous ridicule might be a somewhat humbling and >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > It occurred to me while writing my previous reply that it must > sound > > like quite a foreign language to some. Nonetheless to be able to > > cl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
"As for those who ridicule such dialogues, it occurs to me that if they find themselves fortunate enough to experience the death of all illusion, their previous ridicule might be a somewhat humbling and embarrassing memory." Wow, enlightened, BUT embarrassed. That sounds pretty bad to me. I gues

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It occurred to me while writing my previous reply that it must sound > like quite a foreign language to some. Nonetheless to be able to > clarify and express elements of consciousness is too precious an > opportu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infini

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitely > > radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particlees collide in this big > > ch

[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Brilliant New! Although it can be argued that MMY stacked the deck on TM research he never argued against the principle or legitimacy of prove. Same with the sidhis. That was his boldest move of all. Defining sidhis as markers of your state of consciousness took away the claims that real yogis

[FairfieldLife] UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
This seems to be a quite powerful and apt analogy to spiritual traditions and their "one punch knockouts" of ignorance and bondage. A UFC of masters of pure traditions would be interesting. More to the point would be having them come up against cross-training masters. I liked the story Jerry used

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan dominates Martial Arts_______wasMannounces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Those are some violent fantasies you have there. You might want to get that checked. In the meantime I'll put you down for a "no" for any evidence in your corner other than shop worn claims from 1960's editions of "I'm a Badass Karate Guy" magazine. And I'm gunna put you down for a "no" about eve

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
This seems to be a quite powerful and apt analogy to spiritual traditions and their "one punch knockouts" of ignorance and bondage. A UFC of masters of pure traditions would be interesting. More to the point would be having them come up against cross-training masters. I liked the story Jerry use

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitely > radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particlees collide in this big > chamber and go "boom boom"! Or one about dragons. I love the ones > about dra

[FairfieldLife] Shotokan dominates Martial Arts_______wasMannounces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am very familiar with full contact tournaments. They have many more > rules than a mixed martial arts matches. It is a great sport. But we > started the discussion about actual fighting without rules abo

[FairfieldLife] 3 Million Wariors Ready to Pounce

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tell that to Arjunalol !3 million people drawn up on the > battlefield ready for COMPLETE anihilation, and he is in the middle > of it prayin' to jesus for help. If 3 million warriors had come bent on a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
I am very familiar with full contact tournaments. They have many more rules than a mixed martial arts matches. It is a great sport. But we started the discussion about actual fighting without rules about takedowns. One punch one kill is a fantasy perpetuated by people who stay our of the Octago

[FairfieldLife] Re: SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers?

2007-11-25 Thread emptybill
> Erik wrote: > > SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers? > > > > Anyone know, why are saaMkhya-suutras thought to be written as late as 14th or 15th century A.D? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Willytex: >Sage Patanjali, who compiled the 'Y

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > w

[FairfieldLife] Re: “my message to you”

2007-11-25 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Luise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnDrbagYm24 > Thanks, Janet Luise, for the joy. Hope you and Tom are well. How's Tom's bro, Bill ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I thought you were a pro science guy. You know peer reviewed studies? > The review of martial arts has been settled in the octagon ring. The > videos I showed were challenge matches by brave Shotokan f

Re: [FairfieldLife] “my message to y ou”

2007-11-25 Thread WLeed3
In a message dated 11/25/2007 6:51:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnDrbagYm24 Thanks, that was the most beautiful message I have received in weeks so full of love & a fine reflection of U as well. THANKS ***

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
> ... but if you think those videos that Curtis posted are Shotokan, > then you know nothing of Shotokan as you claimed. > > Those videos Curt posted are an insult to Shotokan. > > THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to > qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) > htt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" wrote: > > Yes, nicely put (if I do say so mySelf *lol*); the omnipresent gold- > > light/angels/deities/etc. would be the subjective (and by that I > > mean "real

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to > qualify for black belt or 2nd dan) > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAFJHEu8go Boy, to the utterly untrained eye, that's pretty darned impres

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Uhu, unlikely. > > > ( 3 years of intense karate training, ful

[FairfieldLife] 24 as done with 1994 technology

2007-11-25 Thread Vaj
24 as done with 1994 technology http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1788161

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > in daily life one's mind and body be trained and > > developed in a spirit of humility, > > Yup. Describes you perfectly.>> No , I failed the test

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: in daily life one's mind and body be trained and > developed in a spirit of humility, Yup. Describes you perfectly.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > wrote: > > > > > > Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. > > > > Shotakan is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Uhu, unlikely. > > > ( 3 years of intense karate training, ful

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Uhu, unlikely. > > > ( 3 years of intense karate traini

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's been a kind of revelation, realizing that > random violence is *not* an ever-present possi- > bility. I walk where I want, when I want, in all > types of neighborhoods and at all hours of the > night and day, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having studied Shotokan for a number of years > > before investigating other styles, I have to > > agree with Curtis about its applicability in > > the real world. It's similar to what someone > > said about M

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mao and MMY Managment Methods

2007-11-25 Thread Vaj
On Nov 25, 2007, at 2:14 PM, new.morning wrote: MMY uses a parallel management and organization change method, similar to Mao (and perhaps some western businesses). (snip) Mao's famous saying, could also easily be Mahesh's: "A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth." -Chairman Mao

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitely radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particlees collide in this big chamber and go "boom boom"! Or one about dragons. I love the ones about dragons! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > W

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's the problem then. The universe either includes all, or it ain't the universe. Just read the article, eh?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
That's the problem then. The universe either includes all, or it ain't the universe. G. Spencer Brown puts it well in his "Laws of Form": "It seems hard to find an acceptable answer to the question of how or why the world conceives a desire, and discovers an ability, to see itself, and appear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Having studied Shotokan for a number of years > > before investigating other styles, I have to > > agree with Curtis about its applicability in > > the real world. It's similar to what someone > > said about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Having studied Shotokan for a number of years > before investigating other styles, I have to > agree with Curtis about its applicability in > the real world. It's similar to what someone > said about Maharishi and the Rajas earlier > today -- the idea of being able to fight is > a great deal more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't understand what he means by an "external agency." Where is there an agency external to the universe? (a) God, or (b) laws of nature. Probably would be clearer if you read the article we're talking abou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, nicely put (if I do say so mySelf *lol*); the omnipresent gold- > light/angels/deities/etc. would be the subjective (and by that I > mean "real") equivalent of attaining lightspeed and essential > identity with th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > Shotokan, not yer sloppy bar-room brawlers. > > Shotakan is a venerable ancient art. Certainly better than barroom > brawlers. However

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > I wrote a paper on this very subject while working on my > Master's at > > >

[FairfieldLife] TM, Invincible America Retrospective

2007-11-25 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Invincible America: Call to action; July 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/107519 Except, ejected August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 Except rejected, August 2006 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/108879 Rejected: http:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" wrote: > > I wrote a paper on this very subject while working on my Master's at > > Harvard Divinity School... That was in 1980 or so, right after > > constant im

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" wrote: > > I wrote a paper on this very subject while working on my Master's at > > Harvard Divinity School... That was in 1980 or so, right after > > constant im

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Uhu, unlikely. > > > ( 3 years of intense karate training, full

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Uhu, unlikely. > > ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, > > Scottish with a tinge of English just for measu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
I don't understand what he means by an "external agency." Where is there an agency external to the universe? I'd bet more than a buck that the "answer" involves consciousness. curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "au

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Uhu, unlikely. > > ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, > > Scottish with a tinge of English just for measu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uhu, unlikely. > ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, > Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce > of fear within this physique. How about you? ) > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Mao and MMY Managment Methods

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
MMY uses a parallel management and organization change method, similar to Mao (and perhaps some western businesses). Essentially, recreate the organization periodically. Destry the old order, create new structures. In time, destroy them and recreate ... SRM == > SIMS ==> Regional Coordinators =

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on maayaa?

2007-11-25 Thread aztjbailey
Ok, I found some Shankara information on the web. Very Interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29 > > > > By Sri Sankarac

[FairfieldLife] Totalitarianism and Its Stalinist / Bevinist Flavors

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
Proponents of the term [Stalinism] argue that it includes an extensive use of propaganda to establish a personality cult around an absolute dictator, as well as extensive use of the secret police to maintain social submission and silence political dissent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on maayaa?

2007-11-25 Thread aztjbailey
Now see I have to show my complete and total ignorance here because I really do not know what the heck "Shankara" is (I will look it up). I do hope, as the years go by, that TM "takes care" of its advanced students curriculum needs and if, just for example, there is a recurrence of headaches or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > > > Good p

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's back up just a bit and go back to Davies's article. Excellent, because this is where the most interesting point lies, his formulation of the "third choice". I give his site a read to try to understand what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Again, what's the difference between the religionist's > "That's just how God wants it" and the scientist's > "That's just the way it is"? > > A pick up truck of detailed pre-suppositions including, but not >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on maayaa?

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29 > > By Sri Sankaracharya > > Though the emission of ejaculate onto sleeping garments or > bedclothes is yielded by the natural experience of copulation in a > w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
Let's back up just a bit and go back to Davies's article. He makes his point clear as crystal at the very end: "It seems to me there is no hope of ever explaining why the physical universe is as it is so long as we are fixated on immutable laws or meta-laws that exist reasonlessly or are impose

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > Good post which I don't really have time to reply properly > > > to, but I would sa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Uhu, unlikely. ( 3 years of intense karate training, full blooded perfect health, Scottish with a tinge of English just for measure, and not one ounce of fear within this physique. How about you? ) So how's your ground game? Seen any UFCs in the last decade? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
Again, what's the difference between the religionist's "That's just how God wants it" and the scientist's "That's just the way it is"? A pick up truck of detailed pre-suppositions including, but not limited to: We know some of the qualities of God including what he "wants", we know that these qual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > > wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > One reader review quotes the last paragraph of the > > book: > > > "Perhaps we have reached a fundamental > > impasse dictated > > by the limitations of the [waking st

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > Your take on it is different than mine. I observe, hopefully > > > without genera

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is for the sake of the mystery that Meister Eckhart said, "I pray to God that he may quit me of God." More like, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " What's the difference, other than that the religionists > label the question mark "God" and the scientists don't > label it? It's still the same unanswered question." > > This is the most interesting part of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
It is for the sake of the mystery that Meister Eckhart said, "I pray to God that he may quit me of God." curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: " What's the difference, other than that the religionists label the question mark "God" and the scientists don't la

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote a paper on this very subject while working on my Master's at > Harvard Divinity School... That was in 1980 or so, right after > constant immersion in the omnipresent gold light/angels/deities/blah- > blah-blah

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My original statements were > 1) I see fascist elements in the TMO. That's not a matter of discussion. I see what I see. Prolly cause I've got Hitler on the brain. At least as much in the way of "fascist el

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
Yes, I agree. Supportive. I never said causal and wouldn't. Causes are impossible to speak of in the area of intellectual history. "new.morning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This ide

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
" What's the difference, other than that the religionists label the question mark "God" and the scientists don't label it? It's still the same unanswered question." This is the most interesting part of it for me, facing the mystery. I know some Christian monks who would be comfortable with your e

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
You make some excellent points which I will think about. "new.morning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > wrote: > > > > I woul

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
My original statements were 1) I see fascist elements in the TMO. That's not a matter of discussion. I see what I see. Prolly cause I've got Hitler on the brain. 2) I think the New Age may play into the hands of those leading us to fascism because of the emphasis on personal development which

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We take the fact that the universe is apparently orderly > > as a given; but how is that different from taking the > > existence of God as a given? > > But it wasn't a "given" in science. It is just somethin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread Angela Mailander
I have been close to a member of one of these organizations. My brother-in-law. Also, had I done what I was supposed to do at age 18, I would have married into that whole world, and I knew very well what that world was about and what my role in it would be. I mentioned in another post that thi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's all that happens, we try to understand and explain by using > > > reason, if a "law" fits for a while it is called a scientific > > > truth, meaning that it's the most likely explanation for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: GyPSii demo on Nokia N95 (8 mins)

2007-11-25 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I guess Nokia is not very popular in the US, but > perhaps some of you could comment on the > usefulness/uselessness of this application, or whatever: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tweT57KCgc8 > > www.gypsi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
> We take the fact that the universe is apparently orderly > as a given; but how is that different from taking the > existence of God as a given? But it wasn't a "given" in science. It is just something we are uncovering about the world by studying it using the scientific method. We didn't make i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As I understand his point, he's asking why there should > be higher-order explanations of ontological facts in > the first place. (That the explanations evolve as we > learn more is beside the point.) > > Or to put it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread lurkernomore20002000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip That's all that happens, we try to understand and explain by using reason, if a "law" fits for a while it is called a scientific truth, meaning that it's the most likely explanation for the observable facts, if new facts comes to light the "laws" change. Nothing a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After reading the op-ed piece I must admit that his > interview on NPR was more impressive than this piece. > Either I'm missing his point or his point is rather > banal. He seems to need to take a good philosophy of > scie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
>> TomT: > From Jean Klein "Transmission of the Flame" page 65 Understanding, being the understanding, is enlightenment YES -- "Understanding" is probably a better word than "Knowledge" as Now we both figuratively and literally Under-stand ourSelf, and it is truly and simply a whole-body BEin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-25 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Rory Goff writes snipped: But "to know itself as Self" is not like any other knowledge, which is indeed dualistic and based on a comparison, on an either-or discrimination. That's why this Self-knowledge is so mind-blowing -- literally. It is so ordinary and so special, so still and so dynami

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'See the grace of Guru Dev'

2007-11-25 Thread Richard J. Williams
do.rflex wrote: > Clapping? > So, you read all the stuff from Maharishi, bought yourself some Hush Puppies and a cheap suit in order to get that "initiator look", during your early days in the TMO when you were working for the Marshy, selling gibberish nonsense syllables to poor students; but W

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
> > That's all that happens, we try to understand and explain by using > > reason, if a "law" fits for a while it is called a scientific > > truth, meaning that it's the most likely explanation for the > > observable facts, if new facts comes to light the "laws" change. > > Nothing anti-reason

[FairfieldLife] Re: SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers?

2007-11-25 Thread Richard J. Williams
Erik wrote: > SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers? > > Anyone know, why are saaMkhya-suutra_s thought to be > written as late as 14th or 15th century A.D? > > Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: > > 1 sAMkhyasUtra n. N. of six books of aphorisms of > the SñSa1m2khya philosophy (ascribed to Kapila , but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inquiry --- or Being a Pawn of the Christian Right?

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > Good post which I don't really have time to reply properly > > to, but I would say that your point that new-agers are "gullible > > and trusting" and have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Peter
After reading the op-ed piece I must admit that his interview on NPR was more impressive than this piece. Either I'm missing his point or his point is rather banal. He seems to need to take a good philosophy of science course. To me he appears to be reifying the "laws of physics". That is he's sepa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just heard Paul Davies, the author of the op-ed > piece, interviewed on NPR the other day. He's a > philosopher-scientist with some very subtle reasoning > skills. I'm planning to pick-up his book: The Cosmic > Jackpot: (s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > From an op-ed by Paul Davies in the NY Times: > > > >>The idea that the laws [of physics] exist reasonlessly is deeply > anti-rational.>>> > > W

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-25 Thread Peter
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One reader review quotes the last paragraph of the > book: > "Perhaps we have reached a fundamental > impasse dictated > by the limitations of the [waking state]human intellect." There we go! ___

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