[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: After reading the op-ed piece I must admit that his interview on NPR was more impressive than this piece. Either I'm missing his point or his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitely radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particlees collide in this big chamber and go boom boom! Or one about dragons. I love the ones about dragons! LOL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: “my message to you”

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnDrbagYm24 I love Marley, and *on one level* agree that every little thing is gonna be all right. However, that level is theorhetical, and to get to it you seem to have to be smokin' the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mao and MMY Managment Methods

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 25, 2007, at 2:14 PM, new.morning wrote: MMY uses a parallel management and organization change method, similar to Mao (and perhaps some western businesses). (snip) Mao's famous saying, could also easily be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It's been a kind of revelation, realizing that random violence is *not* an ever-present possi- bility. I walk where I want, when I want, in all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people trying to qualify for black belt or 2nd dan)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but then giving no resistance and rolling out of the way when the master touched

[FairfieldLife] Re: 3 Million Wariors Ready to Pounce

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Tell that to Arjunalol !3 million people drawn up on the battlefield ready for COMPLETE anihilation, and he is in the middle of it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan dominates Martial Arts_______wasMannounces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those are some violent fantasies you have there. You might want to get that checked. In the meantime I'll put you down for a no for any evidence in your corner other than shop worn claims from 1960's editions of

[FairfieldLife] Re: SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers?

2007-11-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This verse is often quoted by Samkhya philosophers. Here, it seems, the first part of the Tativa-samasa is ended, containing a list of the twentyfive Tattvas, in the three divisions of Prakritis, Vikaras, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker

[FairfieldLife] Re: SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers?

2007-11-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This verse is often quoted by Samkhya philosophers. Here, it seems, the first part of the Tativa-samasa is ended, containing a list of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread new . morning
Nice story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Actually, as I recall, perhaps incorrectly, that you wished I would never use your name again. I replied to your post in which

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mao and MMY Managment Methods

2007-11-26 Thread Vaj
On Nov 26, 2007, at 3:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 25, 2007, at 2:14 PM, new.morning wrote: MMY uses a parallel management and organization change method, similar to Mao (and perhaps some western businesses).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Actually, as I recall, perhaps incorrectly, that you wished I would never use your name again. I replied to your post in which you had said I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: After reading the op-ed piece I must admit that his interview on NPR was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG machines and other testing devices to see if anything is happening on any other level

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
No, the question is, *why* is the universe apparently orderly? Religionists say, That's just how God designed it. Science says, That's just how it is. I still don't see the parallel here Judy. One is saying that they do know why and one is saying that they don't know why. They couldn't be more

[FairfieldLife] Mars, the Bringer of War by Holst

2007-11-26 Thread do.rflex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7E3OjhD1U

[FairfieldLife] Re: 3 Million Wariors Ready to Pounce

2007-11-26 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I might suggest that Off's count of 3 million people drawn up on the battlefield of the Bhagavad-Gita should give people a clue as to the reality of his one punch and you're out theory of fighting. :-) But the

[FairfieldLife] Re: “my message to you”

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All is one and perfect as it is is a valid point of view IMO, but only IF that is really one's daily perception. And even then, it is valid only for the being whose perception is on that level, and only during the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to EEG

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip THIS IS SHOTOKAN (that I learned, and these are just people

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Oh, goodie. Story time. Tell us the one again about the infinitely radiant Pride. Ot the ones where particlees collide in this big chamber and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several

[FairfieldLife] How bad could things get? NY Times

2007-11-26 Thread new . morning
Go Figure Trying to Guess What Happens Next By PETER S. GOODMAN Published: November 25, 2007 NYT YOU need not be a Wall Street chieftain to feel the anxiety that has wrapped its arms around the American economy. The stock market seems locked in a downward spiral as one bank after another suffers

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a Meditation Smack-down Match, in which advanced practitioners of several techniques sit in a room together and go for samadhi, each of them hooked up to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'll follow up on this because the more I think about it, the more parallels I see to the TM approach to meditation and self-discovery. Not only is the tradition not willing to put itself on the line with regard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that load of malarkey to someone-- oh wait, you just bought it-- LOL! I am just talking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the question is, *why* is the universe apparently orderly? Religionists say, That's just how God designed it. Science says, That's just how it is. I still don't see the parallel here Judy. One is saying

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan dominates Martial Arts_______wasMannounces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I've suggested before in this thread, I think that it's a *perfect* analog of the way that TMers believe that their technique is the best, and that the ME creates invincibility. *Some* TMers. The ones in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No, the question is, *why* is the universe apparently orderly? Religionists say, That's just how God designed it. Science says,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
They're identical, actually, in that neither answers the why? question. *Why* did God design the universe to be orderly? Just how it is and Just how God designed it are synonymous, when you think about it: how it is is how God designed it; how God designed it is how it is. There's no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
BTW do you believe that the rapture of Christianity is a fantasy? Same thing for me so far about enlightenment. But perhaps someone will hover in the air someday and I can happily amend my opinion. And may the someone be Maria Sharipova, or Kiera Knightly. And may they hover just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: No, the question is, *why* is the universe apparently orderly?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
Jim: from the perspective of dense waking state, it does sound ludicrous doesn't it? I'd stick to material science if I were you. On a serious note Jim: If you can understand this you will understand why you get accused of using your self proclaimed state of consciousness as a position of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just how it is and Just how God designed it are NOT synonymous. One implies that things were designed and the other does not. I'm kinda

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're identical, actually, in that neither answers the why? question. *Why* did God design the universe to be orderly? Just how it is and Just how God designed it are synonymous, when you think about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just how it is and Just how God designed it are NOT synonymous. One implies

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice story. You just said, To me, anything with words is a story. Even OM / AUM has its story --- and is a story. If you take your stories so serious as to believe them to be something else, then, as you please. If

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latin America: One country per week to gain invincibility through student Yogic Flyers

2007-11-26 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I certainly hope this happens. I wish Dr. Alvarez the best. But I have a sneaking suspicion that this will be the last that we ever hear about this. MMY has trained his Rajas to be like him: they value the idea

Re: [FairfieldLife] 3 Million Wariors Ready to Pounce

2007-11-26 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Nov 25, 2007, at 8:56 PM, new.morning wrote: If 3 million warriors had come bent on anihilating me, it may cause me to ponder what i did to piss so many people off so much. Or you could simply get into a whole lot of rationalizing, new, as in ...Well, at least it's not *4* million...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-26 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Nov 25, 2007, at 9:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Too bad no one seems to be able to live up to his own bold claim and now has to make excuses for why their internal states don't come with demonstrable party favors. I don't know what you mean, Curtis...mine comes with all sorts of party

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Nov 25, 2007, at 10:34 PM, new.morning wrote: ...by the bye, OMGAkashaNewMonitor, I seem to remember that you recently claimed you found me boring I did just get a new monitor. How did you know? That omniscience is really kicking into high gear. That's just a warm-up for Rory and Jim,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be, IMO. How you and Curtis manage the patience to wade through their insufferably boring tracts is truly beyond me. Sal Go Know yourself, Sal -- and I don't mean just in the Biblical sense :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-26 Thread Bhairitu
new.morning wrote: This seems to be a quite powerful and apt analogy to spiritual traditions and their one punch knockouts of ignorance and bondage. A UFC of masters of pure traditions would be interesting. More to the point would be having them come up against cross-training masters. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: I don't think he has a point, just a misunderstanding about how we know what is from what isn't, laws are explanations of observations

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-26 Thread Peter
I think I came late to this party. When do we drop acid? --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 25, 2007, at 9:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Too bad no one seems to be able to live up to his own bold claim and now has to make excuses for why their internal states don't come

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Peter
By these exchanges I see that Davies' point is either trivial, not clear or no point at all! --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nailing someone besides yourself is fun, too, but I suspect that hasn't happened for you for quite some time, even though your obvious creative ability could put someone else in simultaneous ecstasy with you -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Nov 26, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Peter wrote: By these exchanges I see that Davies' point is either trivial, not clear or no point at all! Post of the week--I think you've just given a perfect description of most of the discussions on FFL, Peter. Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: I don't think he has a point, just a misunderstanding about how we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By these exchanges I see that Davies' point is either trivial, not clear or no point at all! That's definitely what you'd see in what hugheshugo says. And you're right, it's obviously not clear to either of you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim: from the perspective of dense waking state, it does sound ludicrous doesn't it? I'd stick to material science if I were you. On a serious note Jim: If you can understand this you will understand

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip (I'm pretty sure it's beyond you, Barry, but Curtis might find

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! good one! Yes, enlightenment is one big fantasy, designed to make those who have worked so hard to achieve this state feel good and disassociate from Reality! Whoo HA! See if you can sell that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
Credentials, as you pointed out to me not too long ago, are irrelevant. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Credentials, as you pointed out to me not too long ago, are irrelevant. Uh, that isn't what I pointed out to you, Angela.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: By these exchanges I see that Davies' point is either trivial, not clear or no point at all! That's definitely what you'd see in what hugheshugo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread Vaj
On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I doubt that very much Curtis. There are people on this forum that would and do renounce the reality of enlightenment, no matter what is presented to them. Why? Because all enlightenment is, is a radical departure from how we see ourselves in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
Then you should have. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Credentials, as you pointed out to me not too long ago, are irrelevant. Uh, that isn't what I pointed out to you,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am certainly not surprised that it's clear to you, Judy, as you obviously Understand that (y)our consciousness contains it all, but I must say I am a little surprised that another Dead guy claims that he doesn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
Is it possible to perceive the world without the filter of concepts? If that's the case, why does someone blind from birth who gains sight have to learn to see? Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 26, 2007, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I doubt that very

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me, Dr. Pete; I mean to say, maybe you have forgotten what the world looks like to those who don't know they are No-one yet? Questioning the hitherto-unquestioned assumption that there is an external order to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
I thought about the particular passage Vaj has taken exception to when I wrote it, because I am making a relative comparison, not an absolute one. To say that enlightenment is a state where all prior knowledge disappears is not accurate, and this isn't what I meant. There seems to be a basic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you should have. If you think credentials are irrelevant, why do you keep making such a big deal of yours? (BTW, if you'd been following the thread, you'd know I raised the credentials issue only because

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Excuse me, Dr. Pete; I mean to say, maybe you have forgotten what the world looks like to those who don't know they are No-one yet? Questioning

[FairfieldLife] Re: my message to you

2007-11-26 Thread Janet Luise
to be able to BE homeless living in a burned out car all right of course required lots of steel wool to the ego. . Beyond the snappy tune PURE TRUE lyrics this is a great video showing the reality of ONEness regardless of outer circumstance. The Crystal Cathedral, TMO etc always try

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
I stopped when you took me to task for it. You were right to do so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you should have. If you think credentials are irrelevant, why do

[FairfieldLife] BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Duveyoung
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/ I don't know how to explain this video of the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 before it fell -- in fact the reporter shows the skyline and Building 7 is still RIGHT THERE while she's talking about it having gone down. I don't know how fresh this report is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread delia555
On Paul Davies and his essay for the NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/2o9fc7 I'd take exception to a number of things that Paul Davies said in this article. Physics does not accept the universality and immutability of physical laws on faith. It's an empirical observation that Nature behaves

[FairfieldLife] Re: BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Duveyoung
Further research shows that this is an old report and that this issue has been bouncing around since Feb 2007 at least judging by the Web site dating I've been able to track down. But the question still remains. I have not found any explanations by the BBC or other authorities to discount this

[FairfieldLife] Curtis and Barry will flunk this test

2007-11-26 Thread Duveyoung
http://tinyurl.com/2a96ol Try this out. Just to be honest, I flunked it too. Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The videos on your tape were students in point matches and highly choreographed demos with people playing the part of an attacker but

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Bhairitu
Duveyoung wrote: Further research shows that this is an old report and that this issue has been bouncing around since Feb 2007 at least judging by the Web site dating I've been able to track down. But the question still remains. I have not found any explanations by the BBC or other

[FairfieldLife] Re: 3 Million Wariors Ready to Pounce

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Tell that to Arjunalol !3 million people drawn up on the

[FairfieldLife] TurquoiseB dominates Straw Man Combat____was_Shotokan dominates Martial Arts

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Those are some violent fantasies you have there. You might want to get that checked. In the meantime I'll put you down for a no for

[FairfieldLife] Re: SaaMkhya-suutras: any takers?

2007-11-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Addenda et corrigenda: sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prakRtiH prakRter mahaan mahato 'haMkaaro *'haMkaaraat* pañca *tanmaatraaNy* ubhayam indriyam indriyebhyaH Oh, shit! That should be

[FairfieldLife] Shotokan Prediction

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those are some violent fantasies you have there. They are not fantasies, just realities which your arrogance and ego cannot accept. The enlightened see the pearly white teeth in everything, the unenlightened see

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread Vaj
On Nov 26, 2007, at 3:18 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I thought about the particular passage Vaj has taken exception to when I wrote it, because I am making a relative comparison, not an absolute one. To say that enlightenment is a state where all prior knowledge disappears is not accurate, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: TurquoiseB dominates Straw Man Combat____was_Shotokan dominates Martial Arts

2007-11-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just don't understand martial arts Turq. You have no idea of the bone shattering power, or organ collapsing danger a Shotokan fighter is trained to give on the first strike. Wanna bet which of us has a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say, actually tickled and stirred Me, don't you mean with a particular sensation of bliss? The reason I ask is that I find it quite easy sometimes to put my attention on a particular individual and feel

[FairfieldLife] Re: TurquoiseB dominates Straw Man Combat____was_Shotokan dominates Martial Arts

2007-11-26 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You just don't understand martial arts Turq. You have no idea of the bone shattering power, or organ collapsing danger a Shotokan fighter

Re: [FairfieldLife] BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
Edg, the laws of the universe went zooey that day in all kinds of ways. a Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/ I don't know how to explain this video of the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 before it fell -- in fact the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, delia555 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Paul Davies and his essay for the NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/2o9fc7 I'd take exception to a number of things that Paul Davies said in this article. Thanks for actually addressing some of what he says. I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi announces new role for himself.

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It would be an interesting thing in my opinion to have a

[FairfieldLife] Re: UFC of Yogic Shaman Tantric Masters

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
and that's even before I hit the Ecstasy Anytime Sal. I'll bring the raver glow sticks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 25, 2007, at 9:38 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Too bad no one seems to be able to live up to his own bold claim and

[FairfieldLife] Re: BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further research shows that this is an old report and that this issue has been bouncing around since Feb 2007 at least judging by the Web site dating I've been able to track down. But the question still remains. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
Turq's condescension apparently escaped your sensitivity to being offended-- which leads to an obvious conclusion-- that you are not offended by comments which no matter how condescending, are in line with your values. My reply was meant to say, Yes, I understand how you didn't understand a word

[FairfieldLife] Re: TurquoiseB dominates Straw Man Combat____was_Shotokan dominates Martial Arts

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You just don't understand martial arts Turq. You have no idea of the bone shattering power, or organ collapsing danger a Shotokan

[FairfieldLife] Home sales rise in Vermont, fall in 47 states

2007-11-26 Thread off_world_beings
Home sales fall in 47 states; rise in Vermont again ! Vermont Rocks ! ! ! http://tinyurl.com/364svt OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
My common sense doesn't tell me there is a benign explanation. Nor have you offered one. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further research shows that this is an old report and that

[FairfieldLife] Re:BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread steven klayman
You think it is peculiar that it was reported before it happened? Makes you wonder HUH? Try this one on. No planes ever hit WTC 7, nor was it crushed by any falling buildings. Yet it too fell in its own footprint. From what/ Even if you were to believe a fire could bring down WTC 1 and 2,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
It was obvious on the day it happened. Buildings don't fall onto their own footprints because a plane hits them. Concrete doesn't turn to dust (rather than rubble) because a plane hits the building. Those two facts were enough to give the lie to the official story. steven klayman [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: BBC World Report of Collapse of WTC7 23 Minutes before it happened.

2007-11-26 Thread Duveyoung
Er, Judy, just how much common sense does it take? Either the BBC made the report 23 minutes ahead of the fall of Bldg 7 or it didn't. I can only think that the entire video is faked and that those reporters are mere actors employed to make the fake video -- or that someone clever with video

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Taking Science on Faith

2007-11-26 Thread Angela Mailander
When I quoted G. Spencer Brown (British mathematician) in response to the Davies piece, Judy assumed I had not read the thing. My comment was that it is absurd to posit something outside of the universe. So maybe a longer quote from Spence Brown will make my point clearer. This work was

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