--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, TM was officially banned in Indonesia in the mid 70's (during/just after Mario and Gabby Urtsin (sp), powerhouse german teachers, taught there). I
Mario and Gabi Ursin - good friends of mine. Mario was my
idol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, TM was officially banned in Indonesia in the mid 70's (during/just after Mario and Gabby Urtsin (sp), powerhouse german teachers, taught there). I
Mario and Gabi Ursin - good friends of mine. Mario was my
idol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
--You decide: which would be a better place to live in: 1. The old
Geneva, or MMY's proposed new Geneva?
But the new one is so nice and *straight*!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thing is, if Maharishi is so enlightened, then all of his actions
are guided by Nature and the responses of Nature to his actions, which
are guided by Nature, are also guided by Nature. This would mean that
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
The thing is, if Maharishi is so enlightened, then all of
his actions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course not Barry.It just means believing that nature runs things,
and that, if I am not mistaken is the scientific paradigma. About
evaluations, I am surprised you don't recognize tongue-in-check.
Maybe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No thanks. I'm in the middle of a good book right
now. I know that you have no choice about what to
read, because nature makes all those kind of
decisions for you, but since I do, I'm going to
stick with the one I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yeah, asking MMY perfectly obvious questions about his 4 most famous
followers is really pushing the poor guy around. I mean, who could
have predicted he'd ask that? That awful reporter pushed so hard it's
a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@
wrote:
I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika?
Nope, Hitler's was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the
students in the hall are black belts in some form of
martial arts:
A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have
taken those terrorist guys away to the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
se he could have said:
A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't
have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr
instead of an lunatic suicider
Look, dude...just for the record, you really
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
se he could have said:
A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't
have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best
surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that
would be the most
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the
Guru Dev
picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I
concur with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding
Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE?
Why did you get so serious about it then?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm
i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old.
There are people who don't look as good when 122, but are still more
alive. There are even many who don't look as good when they are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they
assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal
technique for everyone.
It hasn't been incorporated into the TM Loga yet, I suppose.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades
or slips away. We take it as it comes.
We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we
are off on a thought, we quietly come back to
Thanks DM. I found this interesting:
from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA
As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is
similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to
the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction
--
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Philisophical point: is it possible for someone in CC to practice
anything OTHER THAN Transcendental Meditation?
Completely depends on your definition of TM: If you define TM from the
result, i.e. transcending, then he is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some contemporary writers ¡ª Servando Gonz¨¢lez, for example ¡ª confuse
matters even further by asserting that the right-facing swastika,
used by the Nazis is in fact the evil sauwastika.[9]
(Gonz¨¢lez proves that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
Is TM dhyânam, as defined in Maharshi Patañjali's
Yoga-darshanam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:25 PM, defenders_of_bhakti wrote:
The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself,
and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by
itself.
And this is linked to the idea of memory
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gee, Michael recently made two posts specifically
addressing the criticisms directed at him (and was
criticized for doing so!).
That's true, an in his larger expositions, he made indirect references
to other peoples
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Otherwise its a really absurd idea, with the sort of populistic
appeal, the same as that we are all co-creators. It just makes
some
people feel more important.
+++ Haven't you observed that you do some creating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless
btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure
props,
could still be with effort. Using props or not, has nothing to do with
effort, just in the same way as using a pillow-case or not, has
nothing to do with the spontaneity of sleep.
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness.
If it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
I think there is a big confusion of what evolution actually means.
Here some biological definitions:
Evolution: The long-term process
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First this:
Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques
and belief systems are best now. I just wanted to
correct your misstatement of what I've said.
Not my involvment, you know very well.
Just a couple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But an approximation. And as such not bad.
Agreed. Not bad *at all*. *Especially* as compared
to forms of concentration. But I get the feeling
that some people aren't willing to live with TM's
effortlessness being
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
wrote:
I could easily have been guilty of the same negligence
Joel Wysong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson
nelsonriddle2001@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless technique
you claim you learned there?
Glad to. It was a walking meditation that involved
paying attention to what was going on internally
and externally.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless technique
you claim you learned there?
Glad to. It was a walking meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not to argue, but you seem to have missed this section:
Maharishi's commentary says:
By 'homage' is meant submission or surrender.
Sure, I saw it later, but he was of course quoting MMY. Not setting
the stage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just found my old notebook, where I had written it down (I wasn't
present, its just a copy that was circulated at some courses):
Every day is life. It is not that we pass on the present for some
glorius future. We are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://vedabase.net/en/
Interestingly enough, they count the Bhagavatam as Veda, just like the
Upanishad. MMY had said that the Bhagavatam could only be understood
when being in Unity. Not that you couldn't read it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thank you very much for the suggestion.
Here are some quotations by Siddharameshwar, some stories about Ban
Ganga, some reflections on Ramesh.
First about Bhakti and Knowledge by Siddharameshwar Maharaj Guru of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It's rhetorical, Def. :)
Sal
Thanks. Being native german, I did a 'literal' translation.
On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:49 PM, defenders_of_bhakti wrote:
Well, we all know rethoric questions, don't we
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns
through and from them.
Question on this one point: By what standard can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hint: what I have termed a true bhakti, someone
who believed in it thoroughly ...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please tell me what the word bhakti means?
Bhakti is a Sanskrit word which means devotion, adoration, love or
worship of the Divine or the Guru as a manifestation thereof. It can
also mean the love of God toward
Thanks for the perfect analysis. I intentionally did not defend
myself, in order to not give him new food..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So many unsupported assumptions and black-and-white
oversimplifications.
Let me just pick one of them,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
markmeredith@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many spiritual seekers have no idea
how cynical and doubt-laden they actually are. It is this blindness
and denial of the presence of doubt and cynicism that makes the birth
of a profound trust impossible - a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone called Gerbil accused Maharishi of taking our own
teachings and giving it back to us.?? His teachings got better and
better over time.??
It's called the Pizza effect. I realized it, when I saw a modern
Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:20:15 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras
Nisargadatta said on more than one occassion that he preferred to
speak with Westerners rather than with Indians because the Westerners
were
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We all know from everyday experience that questions
(curiosity) generally can have two very distinct
purposes, even in mundane conversation:
1. To actually gain understanding, as sincere inquiries;
to
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