, there is probably someone who is reading all this, (hint,
hint), who could clear everything up - stand up guy that he is. What is the
term - MIA?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Anne, you
- MIA?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Anne, you are saying, Trust me, because I know what is going on. I'm not
going to tell you anything about it, but I'm in the know
No I'm not. I am
Share, Judy's MO has always been the same. When someone upends her supposed
authority about something, as you have done many times, she simply resorts to
personal attacks.
It is called fallacy ad hominem.
When it comes to fallacies, it looks like she's got the market cornered.
---In
What Judy doesn't realize is that I have access to the classic format when I
want, with the classic search function. I mentioned once already how this
works with me, but evidently she missed it.
On the other hand, this supposed collaboration between Barry and me is a new
twist for her
You're in high form today Judy. Well I suppose you've got something to hang
your hat on, even it's being a disagreeable person most of the time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Oh, didn't know that. Bully for you. Because I knew you weren't capable of
using
Ha!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:
I dub thee Queen Vicious Bitchious.
Aaaahhh, feel better now Judy?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Oh, you mean narcissistic personality disorder.
One wonders exactly how much you could know about it if you can't even get the
name right. One suspects, in fact, that your only acquaintance with it
Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about. But, please, proceed
according to your fancy.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple
fact? There was no response from you required.
Judy,
I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from
the period that he was posting here. I left FF and MIU shortly before he made
his big splash there.
I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, who I Iearned
became involved with Robin's group.
Okay, thank you for feedback.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from
the period that he was posting here. I left FF
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:
Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated
the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans.
However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about
Ha!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In
My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with
most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts,
feelings.
I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is. If he said it, it
will be there in the record. Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty
good. My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to
predate his participation here.
---In
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is. If he said it, it
will be there in the record. Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty
good. My
Um, I think it's close enough Judy. But to someone who as a matter of course
cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance. Kinda,
sorta seems like you had your eggs in the e-mails with me basket sorry about
that.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@...
sounds like this one hurt Judy. kinda has your ire up for some reason. and
yikes, I guess I pushed the mother of all buttons, claiming I knew something
about Robin you didn't.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts
and yikes II, this is pretty revealing. I didn't realize how deep the
attachment went. Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely than anyone
Judy, I don't want to throw cold water on any of your fantasies. (hey, that
came out just the way I wanted), so create any scenario you want. My
recollection was close enough I think. But, I realize I am treading on your
sacred ground here, so I'm going to try to tip toe away, so you can
.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Um, I think it's close enough Judy. But to someone who as a matter of course
cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance. Kinda,
sorta seems like you had your
Judy, best to just let your perceptions and fantasies go unimpeded. (as though
there's a choice in the matter). But you must realize, that for you, things
are always going wrong in the minds of people who disagree with you. I mean
that is your calling card, and that's not going to change. But
Judy, you will just have to live with another unfulfilled desire.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Nope, as I said, Stevie-poo (and Ann has said as well), nowhere near. You got
it wrong, that's obvious. Acknowledge it (or not), and move on.
Judy, I don't want
that.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
and yikes II, this is pretty revealing. I didn't realize how deep the
attachment went. Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though?
Is this where things
@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Um, I think it's close enough Judy. But to someone who as a matter of course
cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance. Kinda,
sorta seems like you had your eggs in the e-mails with me
you're boring Judy. no one can beat you in this game of yours. and no
sensible person would want to.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Stevie-poops, you aren't doing yourself any good with this crap. You aren't
clever enough to patronize anybody; you just make
@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
and yikes II, this is pretty revealing. I didn't realize how deep the
attachment went. Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though?
Is this where things start to gravitate below the belt? And if so, why Steve?
Is it not possible
in absentia.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672
Interesting to read this again, I don't ever go back and search and re-read
stuff here
Judy, draw whatever conclusions you wish to draw. It is fine with me. If you
feel I missed the point completely, I am okay with that.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Nowhere near, Stevie baby. Here's what you claimed:
And then we have his daily confessional
:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Um, I think it's close enough Judy. But to someone who as a matter of course
cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance. Kinda,
sorta seems like you had your eggs in the e-mails with me basket sorry about
. There is
really no other way to say it.
As for being willing to admit a mistake. I need to be shown where I was
mistaken, other than, You are mistaken
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Anne,
This post
, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my
recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss
the mark, at least by much.
Steve, as I said, I don't really care one way or another but you did, in fact,
get it wrong
Now, wait. This sort of sounds like a set up. I say this because you have
always been a proponent of the these (supposed) states of consciousness are
all subjective and can't be proven. So, why would such a declaration be
important to you?
I mean, it seems to me, you could immediately
Speaking for myself, I never felt I was guaranteed enlightenment. Yea, I know
all about cc in 5 - 7 years, but I never put much stock in that,nor did I know
others who did.
Perhaps that was the extent of the misrepresentation, it you're looking for a
smoking gun, at least as far as the
Just a follow up. So, since this declaration would not mean anything to you, I
assume you are raising the issue for the benefit of others?
And yet as soon as the declaration was made, you would declare it as being
invalid on account that it is referring to an entirely subjective,
@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:
M said Robin Carlsen and Andy Rhymer were enlightened.
On Fri, 2/7/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
To: FairfieldLife
@... wrote:
Thank you for sharing those stories - so what kind of experiences did you have
on that 1st 6 month course? And did you get the sutra for understanding the
language of animals? That's the one I always wanted.
On Sat, 2/8/14, steve.sundur
Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days
anyway.
What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think Robin had it,
whatever it is?
?
On Sat, 2/8/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014, 1:13 AM
Narcissist Personality Syndrome, ( and excuse me if I got the term wrong, but
perhaps you can surmise what I intended), and from what I know about it, it
seemed to describe him.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
What's NPS, and how were you in a position to think
Everyone looks like they are having a great time. Nice to see!
Kinda funny. I've had a two day craving for Chinese Food. I usually get #21,
Governor's Shrimp, extra hot. The first couple years I ordered that, they never
came through with the extra part, and I never said anything. The last
Not exactly along the lines of what you are saying, but it seems like there was
a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug. I wonder, really, why
that would be? What are they guilty of besides engaging in an illegal
transaction.
They didn't kill him, did they? The drug appears
@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Not exactly along the lines of what you are saying, but it seems like there
was a mad rush to find the dealers who sold him the drug. I wonder, really,
why that would be? What are they guilty of besides engaging
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:
snip
One psychologist who specialised in drug users came to the conclusion that
those who allow drugs to dominate their lives are essentially *selfish*.
Although that sounds simplistic and judgemental it has the ring of truth
after a drug overdose. I am just speculating that it might go something like
this.
Wht the fuck, where am I!?
Uh, dude, you've passed over
What the fuck are you talking about. I've got to pick up my kids in a few
minutes
Uh, you're not going to see your kids anymore.
I see. So, that's what it was all about. Where would we be without you,
Michael, to reveal the truth about things.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:
they merely exchanged pleasantries because they were all frauds and couldn't
bring off a decent philosophical
That's a rather interesting approach. But it would not be my style. And I
have visited a few other teachers, but have been content to just listen and
then make a determination. And then, either leave, or come back for another
session. Turns out I never latched on to another teacher other
On Fri, 1/31/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi was an emperor and an ascetic'
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 31
test
test 2
test 3
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
I'm not sure I see enough of a difference there for smoking to be a deterrent.
Plus, smoking may enable people to keep the weight off. That's enough of a
vanity factor for many - both men and woman.
What surprises me
Looking at these stacked apartments in Hong Hong and seeing that they seem to
work, yet in the US these stacked apartments, usually located in the inner
city have almost always been failures and end up being torn down.
In the US often this type of housing is often subsidized,rental. Maybe in
idiot
CEOs want to put their businesses there for the prestigious address and real
estate is very expensive. All the green eared kids taking tech jobs are going
to wind up spending their paychecks on a 200 square foot chicken coop.
On 01/30/2014 04:28 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur
I'm not sure I see enough of a difference there for smoking to be a deterrent.
Plus, smoking may enable people to keep the weight off. That's enough of a
vanity factor for many - both men and woman.
What surprises me, is how many have taken to e-cigarettes. I see many long
term smokers,
Yes, good example Richard. Of course now Judy will coming rushing in, out of
breath, to set the record straight. What a little mischief maker she is!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:
On 1/27/2014 7:34 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
No, Little
God bless you Judy. God bless you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
How's that, Little Stevie? People tell lies, and I correct them, and I'm the
mischief maker? I'm not sure you quite thought that one through. And of course,
as you know, what Richard quotes isn't
Thank you. It really opened my eyes to the potential that a horse can have in
helping to heal lives that have been broken.
And what a moment that must be when the horse lowers its head and signifies
acceptance. I can see where they could have a profound effect on someone.
And it was a
Good point Anne. And not only that, he was able to make his point in one short
paragraph! PTL!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
WTF? Xeno, do you have a burr up your butt? Chill out a little
tone. And I thought it was fun that he provided the chemical signature of the
medicine he's using. I wish my posts were more to his liking but there we are!
On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:55 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Good point Anne. And not only that, he was able
almost always soothed by Xeno's
tone. And I thought it was fun that he provided the chemical signature of the
medicine he's using. I wish my posts were more to his liking but there we are!
On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:55 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Good point Anne
by Xeno's
tone. And I thought it was fun that he provided the chemical signature of the
medicine he's using. I wish my posts were more to his liking but there we are!
On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:55 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Good point Anne. And not only that, he
dry delivery but often don't get it immediately.
Probably MY senior moment (-:
On Monday, January 27, 2014 7:24 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Sure Share, I guess we're all at the point where we might have a senior moment
now and then. Maybe that was what was going
well, it's sort of remarkable that you bring that up, because that is another
thought, or experience that I have been having. People talk about
enlightenment, but if they knew what it really entailed, I think they would
take a pass
They want that experience to dove tail into all their
Thank you. I find those comments helpful (-:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
well, it's sort of remarkable that you bring that up, because that is another
thought, or experience that I have been having. People talk
WTF? Xeno, do you have a burr up your butt? Chill out a little. You asked if
someone had an alternative for treating your skin condition. Share made
friendly suggestion. What's next, you gonna try to get her cited for
practicing medicine without a license? Lighten up dude!
It's just a
I've seen a number of people have strong experiences of being enlightenment,
and then afterwards back off and run away from any sadhana (spiritual
practice, such as meditation) that would make being enlightenment come
back.:
Yes, I've been thinking about this comment of Barry's all day.
informants! (-:
I think it's David Spiro in case someone wants to google him.
On Friday, January 24, 2014 7:12 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Nice little rap. It is something I notice on the Batgap chat site. There are
some correspondents (as Richard would say
tend towards
the former according to him.
Maharishi explained that knowledge can lead to better experiences the next
time. I'd say it's key to have reliable knowledge and or just go with what
resonates with one's own experience.
On Friday, January 24, 2014 9:23 PM, steve.sundur
For me, I would say Jim's plan is better than sadhana in a cabin. I think I
would got batty pretty quickly. Now, I will say, that after a time of roaming,
(which sounds really good), I might want to take a solitary sojourn in a cabin.
Also, two weeks might be the very longest I could
Couple of experiences to relate, triggered by what you posted here.
I remember in my teaching days that occasionally someone would comment how
uncomfortable it was to just melt into the transcendence. Maybe they didn't
use that exact phrase, but it was something along those lines and
Nice little rap. It is something I notice on the Batgap chat site. There are
some correspondents (as Richard would say), who really nail that jargon. I
have to say it always sounds good, but I ask myself, could it not be said more
simply? There is basically no state of consciousness or
you are going to get clarification of something, on the
BatGap site, is to put on your big-boy pants and actually ask a question, or
make a statement.
Hope this helps.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Nice little rap. It is something I notice
Well, I say this for Michael's benefit mostly, and I've mentioned this before.
I read the transcripts of two interviews with Fred Lenz, aka Rama, and I was
most impressed with them. And that's a capital M. I believe the second
interview was sometime into the whole affair, and my perception
.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote:
Good points Jim. And I think that perhaps I need to be a little more open
minded because for me, I can't understand why anyone would really even want to
talk about those experiences. I feel that I have some nice experiences too
Really, I thought your QB was pretty mediocre. Or maybe it was because for
most the game your offensive line gave him no protection. Luckily your defense
was up to the task. But the SF QB, didn't have the best game either. Good
luck February 2nd!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
I was talking to a friend of mine the other night. In the past he has
recommended some interesting reading material. He was telling me how impressed
he was with The Course in Miracles.
I know that material has been around for sometime. I was wondering what
others might have thought of
O.M.G. That was remarkable!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
No, not that one. This one is more about dancing with light:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/enra-pleiades_n_4532918.htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/enra-pleiades_n_4532918.html
and
how the *haves* might change in quantity.
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:51 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=CLDgDxHNu1oCsource=productsearchutm_source=HA_Desktop_USutm_medium=SEMutm_campaign=PLApcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1
, noozguru@... wrote:
Remarks below.
On 01/08/2014 06:51 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=CLDgDxHNu1oCsource=productsearchutm_source=HA_Desktop_USutm_medium=SEMutm_campaign=PLApcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1
https
into believing if we stay on the path, we will
eventually get to where we want to be (really happy).
As Edg would say Bah!
On Fri, 1/10/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
Subject: Re
telling me to retire there instead of here (-:
On Monday, January 6, 2014 10:02 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Uh Share. Looks like the temp in the Artic is warmer than it is FF!
GF (that's Go Figure) (-:
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=CLDgDxHNu1oCsource=productsearchutm_source=HA_Desktop_USutm_medium=SEMutm_campaign=PLApcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1
I presume the interviews? Or is it the discussion forum? (not to be confused
with a chat room) (-:
That was it. Eight words. That's what Ann and Judy are characterizing as an
anti-Robin jihad.
That is indeed a little strange.
The practice itself, is easy and refreshing. However, like all things in life,
there is another side to it. There is a lot of hard work, self reflection, and
unbiased glimpses of one's truth, that occur along with TM 20 min. 2x/day, over
the years.
True, that!
I think he probably knew he had an out. And looks like he just got it.
I guess you could look at it both ways. But it would seem to me that he is
putting the onus on someone in this case.
I think it is a nice distinction Ann is making in either fighting for a cause,
or being willing to die, if something isn't changed in a manner you want to see
it changed.
Why couldn't I just keep my big mouth shut!
(at the risk of Judy making this comment a macro!)
Now wait a second. What you are saying has nothing to do with whether he is
fasting or not, at least as I understand it. And forget for a moment his other
comments, as they seem to have no bearing on what you are saying above.
It seems that you are rendering a pretty harsh judgement simply
good one Judy
Uh Share. Looks like the temp in the Artic is warmer than it is FF!
GF (that's Go Figure) (-:
uh, that might better be a micro!
I see, A rather extreme stance IMO, but we all have our hot button issues, I
guess.
Share, you are about two steps away.
Check
and Mate.
I think you checkmated Judy.
My Lord Judy, you didn't see it coming did you? You just got your clock
cleaned! Just gracefully move off the stage and regroup. It's okay. Really.
Share, if you don't mind me saying, you had her tied up loops like we haven't
seen a while. Really, you feel kind of bad for her. Or at least I do.
Share, you should share more of these tidbits on Batgap. Can you imagine how
they would have said the same thing!!
Leave go Judy, leave go. It's all good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrLAgi_mBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrLAgi_mBY
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