[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Interesting. TM and its practice is like laying bare an open field, with trash strewn on the field needing collection and disposal. Personally, I use various "karma busting" mantras designed for the disposal

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/7/06 2:18 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the humor and silliness in all of the above pales to the One(s) who proclaims to BE Brahman and to see Brahamn in all things - - and then

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- Patrick wrote: It makes me think I'm in CC. Is that important to you? I'd like to be enlightened, yeah, even if it's baby enlightenment. But it's a casual desire, like my desires for wealth and women. I'd like to have them, but I'm not going to bother

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- Patrick wrote: It makes me think I'm in CC. Is that important to you? I'd like to be enlightened, yeah, even if it's baby enlightenment. But it's a casual desire, like my

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: This is a city full of wealthy older men on whose arms are women who would never be seen with them except for the fact that they're wealthy. So I've noticed. But it was not until this post that I was inspired to buy Diamonds are a girl's best friend from iTunes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual experience of CC. Because your experience is different, or just because of the writing style?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Handed out on one of the TTCs. I think La Antilla Thanks Rick! One of the best posts I've seen on FFL. Really clearly defined, well

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions that don't seem very relevent to CC. Most of these 20 questions strike me as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do  was make a connection between spiritual growth and  practical daily behavior. It turned out to be a tougher  connection than I ever imagined it would be. That's because, IMO, TM as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not La Antilla. I love how Jim and I have opposite responses to this post! (Hehehehe) Peter, didn't you get the astral memo from Ramana Maharshi on The Strict Conformance of Enlightenened Thoughts and Actions? I'll

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do was make a connection between spiritual growth and practical daily behavior. It turned out to be a tougher

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
Judy writes: I've always figured that what is called self- actualization *is* what MMY calls CC. Self-actualization certainly *sounds* like the self being aware of itself, which is one characteristic of CC. But from what I've read of self-actualized behavior, it simply describes people who

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because, IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Vasana-kshaya, the obliteration of

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted from the TMO for making those investigations.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual experience of CC. Hmmm. I take it your experience of CC contradicts the following? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual experience of CC. What is YOUR

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do was make a connection between spiritual growth and practical daily behavior. It turned out to be a tougher

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do was make a connection

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. hetudvayaM hi chittasya vaasanaa cha samiiraNaH .tayor vinashhTa ekasmins tad dvaav api vinashyataH .. 1..---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:59 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Vaj, can you be more specific on what type of methods thjese are, or description of such.I generally would not discuss such methods. I have had specific "knowledge unfolding" in side of me, perhaps similar to what Jim is referring to, where

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of   transformation to uproot vasanas.  Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to  uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level oftransformation to uproot vasanas.hetudvayaM hi chittasya

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Anon writes: snipped This inner-revelation effect seems consistant with what a Maharishi pundit told me in a jyotish reading. Ironic as it sounds, I asked the pundit about how and when I could / would find a teacher / guru for personal guidance. He said that for my chart, that was not necessary,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:50 PM, sparaig wrote:Fine, but don't expect the average person to seek out the traditional  texts and their commentaris."average person" being the operative word.  BTW, how do you know that the texts,  their commentaries  are correct, or that the translations are 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 2:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:I mean, caturthaH praaNaayaamaH during TM kshaNika-samaadhi"destroys" samiiraNa ([movement of] praaNa), and, doing that, does the same to lots of vaasanaas! Unfortunately for this idea, the style of spontaneous pranayama that occurs in meditation is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/7/06 1:45 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TOm T: It has been my experience and of a number of people that I know that you will deal with your stuff before but most assuredly after. The clarity makes it impossible to ignore any longer the stuff not dealt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
Yeah, okay. But do we each get a gold crown? Sal On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Praise not necessary, just send $2500 each. Time payments accepted, with interest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C. on 1/7/06 3:41 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, okay. But do we each get a gold crown? Plastic. But for a million, you get gold. Sal On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Praise

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
--Interesting. TM and its practice is like laying bare an open field, with trash strewn on the field needing collection and disposal. Personally, I use various karma busting mantras designed for the disposal operations, namely the Mahavritunjaya mantra and a concise form of the Surangama

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
--More specific details of the techniques mentioned below may be found in a new book coming out in March, by Norbu Rinpoche, published by Snow Lion Press. Contact Snow Lion in a few months. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:59 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Jason Spock
Would Maharishi give us a title of 'Knight'.?? 50,000-/ dollars might be enough for that.??OriginalMessage- From: "Rick Archer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:53:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C. on 1/7/06 5:12 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would Maharishi give us a title of 'Knight'.?? 50,000-/ dollars might be enough for that.?? I dont know if he would, but youre giving me ideas

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
--I can just see it: the Knights TM-Plar...but watch out for the Pope. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/7/06 5:12 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would Maharishi give us a title of 'Knight'.?? 50,000-/ dollars might be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
Mahesh is the Vedic Pope. Where you been?:-)On Jan 7, 2006, at 6:24 PM, coshlnx wrote:--I can just see it: the "Knights TM-Plar"...but watch out for the Pope. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Patrick wrote: Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted from the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Patrick wrote: Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Patrick

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It makes me think I'm in CC. Is that important to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/7/06 2:18 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the humor and silliness in all of the above pales to the One(s) who proclaims to BE Brahman and to see Brahamn in all things - - and then turns around calls people pissing skunks and that they should eat shit and die

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Handed out on one of the TTCs. I think La Antilla Thanks Rick! One of the best posts I've seen on FFL. Really clearly defined, well written indicators. 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C. 1) Spontaneity -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-06 Thread Peter
Not La Antilla. I love how Jim and I have opposite responses to this post! (Hehehehe) --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Handed out on one of the TTCs. I think La Antilla Thanks Rick! One of the best