Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-05 Thread Vaj
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:52 PM, sparaig wrote: It's merely an analogy. Early MIU textbooks on physics (which were self-published) detailed these analogies but then in a responsible fashion gave a concluding chapter which stated these were just analogies and 'you can only take analogies so far.'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-05 Thread Vaj
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:52 PM, sparaig wrote: It's merely an analogy. Early MIU textbooks on physics (which were self-published) detailed these analogies but then in a responsible fashion gave a concluding chapter which stated these were just analogies and 'you can only take analogies so far.'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:52 PM, sparaig wrote: It's merely an analogy. Early MIU textbooks on physics (which were self-published) detailed these analogies but then in a responsible fashion gave a concluding chapter which

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-05 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
As I recall that was Larry Domash: analogies break down if they are pushed too far. David Clay often made the same point in regard to potentially ad hoc arguments. But, alas, there are no philosophers left at MU (that is because philosophy is a shear waste of time, I assume). But logically

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread Vaj
On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:09 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless of course an increase in overall numbers also increases side- effects and the incidence meditative disorders. All the more reason to include any negative side-effects in your research! To exclude it in your research is irresponsible and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:09 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless of course an increase in overall numbers also increases side- effects and the incidence meditative disorders. All the more reason to include any negative side-effects in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread Vaj
On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:47 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:09 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless of course an increase in overall numbers also increases side- effects and the incidence meditative disorders. All the more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:47 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:09 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless of course an increase in overall numbers also increases

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread Vaj
On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:47 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:09 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless of course an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but the rationale for the ME precludes the radiating of disharmonious states. I don't accept that: we radiate our own states constantly, negative, positive or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip If you accept that we are all radiating our state of consciousness continually, of course that dis-ease would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:47 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but the rationale for the ME precludes the radiating of disharmonious states. I don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread Vaj
On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:30 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but the rationale for the ME precludes the radiating of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but the rationale for the ME precludes the radiating of disharmonious states. I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 2:30 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing that can be said with any certainty is that the ME produces profoundly positive results. How? When? Where? Can't say. It's, er, paradoxical... The only thing that can be said with any certainty about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The only thing that can be said with any certainty is that the ME produces profoundly positive results. How? When? Where? Can't say. It's, er,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. Perhaps. If there is ANY validity to the assumptions about the ME (that there is a field effect with synergism), then the more people

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. Also I don't think it will ever work to use the results of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread Vaj
On Jan 3, 2007, at 4:55 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. Perhaps. If there is ANY validity to the assumptions about the ME (that there is a field

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread Peter
It's more than that. Almost all the ME studies have a very poor design which weakens their conclusions quite a bit. There is also rather profound prima facia evidence that the large groups meditating in Fairfield have not decreased the crime in Fairfield to any degree whatsoever. Post hoc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: The only thing that can be said with any certainty is that the ME produces profoundly positive results. How? When? Where? Can't say. It's,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 3, 2007, at 4:55 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. Perhaps. If

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more than that. Almost all the ME studies have a very poor design which weakens their conclusions quite a bit. There is also rather profound prima facia evidence that the large groups meditating in Fairfield have not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 3, 2007, at 4:55 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. Perhaps. If

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-02 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Om, hey, New.Morning; do you ever interact with the FF TM university about this? On their radio broadcasts they (Drs. Hagelin and Morris) and other PhD's are saying the ME is an absolute scientific certainty. A fact. Their method it seems is that if they say this enough times and their ME

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-02 Thread markmeredith2002
I've seen research showing that the market performs extremely well in the few months following a dramatic negative global event, such as the start of an international conflict, which makes sense as the publicity of such an event is usually overblown (from an economic perspective at least) and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-02 Thread Peter
This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Om, hey, New.Morning; do you ever interact with the FF TM university about this? On their radio broadcasts they (Drs. Hagelin and Morris) and other PhD's are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Another (Probable) Flaw in Recent MUM ME Study

2007-01-02 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what happens when science is used for PR purposes. The ME is full of holes. Also I don't think it will ever work to use the results of science, which measures phenomena objectively, to prove the benefits of a