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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/voodoo_rebuttal.html#note1
Someone brought up the name Maxwell Rainforth so I pulled up this
article. Some
On Nov 24, 2006, at 5:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Yeah, new...it's perfectly legitimate to not count an
anomalous event like *that*! What are you *thinking*?
If you bitch about something as miniscule as disregarding
data because it doesn't fit the all-important expectations,
why you could set a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@
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http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/voodoo_rebuttal.html#note1
snip
And later, he
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sparaig@ wrote:
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new.morning no_reply@
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Yeah, new...it's perfectly legitimate to not
count an anomalous event like *that*! What
are you
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If it had a better design than a simple pre-post
(which makes no sense for research of this sort) non
of these question would be discussed.
Are you saying the 36-hour hike in the murder rate
*was* an anomaly and that it *was*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If it had a better design than a simple pre-post
(which makes no sense for research of this sort) non
of these question would be discussed.
Are you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter:
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If it had a better design than a simple pre-post
(which makes no sense for research of this sort) non
of these question would be discussed.
What kind
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
-- Benjamin Disraeli
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Isn't discounting a large surge in the murder rate during
the period that crime was being measured
It was not a large surge in the murder rate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
-- Benjamin Disraeli
ROFTL!
Translation: Barry discovered that he hadn't
got his facts straight and hopes quoting this
old chestnut from Disraeli will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 24, 2006, at 5:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Yeah, new...it's perfectly legitimate to not count an
anomalous event like *that*! What are you *thinking*?
If you bitch about something as miniscule as disregarding
data
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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no_reply@ wrote:
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sparaig@ wrote:
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wrote:
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wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
It was an outlier within the course itself. It was a one-week
aberration due to a gang fight
that saw 10 deaths in one incident, IIRC.
If
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If it had a better design than a simple pre-post
(which makes no sense for research of this sort) non
of these question would be discussed.
Are you
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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wrote:
Isn't discounting a large surge in the murder rate during
the period that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip to
This makes sense to me as a criticism of the
study design. Why they chose to lump all violent
crime together isn't entirely clear, but I can't
imagine they did this because they *expected* the
murder rate to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Nov 24, 2006, at 5:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Yeah, new...it's perfectly legitimate to not count an
anomalous event like *that*! What are you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In re-reading the paragraphs, its ambiguous as to whether
the outlier was actually excluded from the analysis.
Yeah, I don't think it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I DO think the gang shooting should be considered significant. That
was my point. My initial take that the gang shooting was excluded was
based on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The guys who did the study are available for talking to via their
email and telephone
numbers.
Can you post, or send me such. And URLS for any of the studies on
line. And any datasets for such.
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Even overlooking the fact that certain kinds of
anomalies are, indeed, statistically insignificant
(as the TM researcher new morning cited who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If it had a better design than a simple pre-post
(which makes no sense for research of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip to
This makes sense to me as a criticism of the
study design. Why they chose to lump all violent
crime together isn't entirely clear, but I
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True, but the study points out that these are the most
violent, and possibly the least affected, by the ME, at
least in the short term.
But why
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Remember, what the guy is defending against is
the accusation by the critic that the 36-hour spike
in the murder rate meant the whole study was a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
The real problem with the study is the design itself.
If it had a better
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
The guys who did the study are available for talking to via their
email and telephone
numbers.
Can you post, or send me such. And URLS for any of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the comment, this is precisely the type of sporadic fluctuation
one must account for when total numbers are small. Exlusion is a
major way of account[ing] for such outliers.
It was NOT excluded from the data.
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The guys who
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
And the comment, this is precisely the type of sporadic fluctuation
one must account for when total numbers are small. Exlusion is a
major way of
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
And the comment, this is precisely the type of sporadic
fluctuation
one must account for when total numbers are small. Exlusion is
a
major way of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It was NOT excluded from the data. The weekly AVERAGE was the
weekly average
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It was NOT
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And the comment, this is precisely the type of sporadic
fluctuation
one
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Gee whiz, it's a substantial decrease. Any police
department that could bring about that big a
reduction would be elevated to hero status.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/voodoo_rebuttal.html#note1
Someone brought up the name Maxwell Rainforth so I pulled up this
article. Some interesting points.
However, look at the graphs. In the link. See how
Have you actually looked in to who runs the Skeptical Inquirer? -- a
dusty philospher in an ivory tower, plus someone else with a degree
in science, a psychiatrist, and a magician and inventor
OffWorld
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was an outlier within the course itself. It was a one-week
aberration due to a gang fight
that saw 10 deaths in one incident, IIRC.
If gang-fights were a very very rare phenomenon, and it was one death,
perhaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
It was an outlier within the course itself. It was a one-week
aberration due to a gang fight
that saw 10 deaths in one incident, IIRC.
If
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