[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-27 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > > > So, most mantra meditation is TM and has been TM for > > > > centuries. > > > > > > > The other way around: TM is just a form "yogic meditation" > > > which has been taught for centuries. > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > So, TM is yogic meditation that has been taught for centuries.

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2007-10-25 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: >>> So, most mantra meditation is TM and has been TM for >>> centuries. >>> >>> > Bhairitu wrote: > >> The other way around: TM is just a form "yogic meditation" >> which has been taught for centuries. >> >> > So, TM is yogic meditation that has been taug

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-25 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > So, most mantra meditation is TM and has been TM for > > centuries. > > Bhairitu wrote: > The other way around: TM is just a form "yogic meditation" > which has been taught for centuries. > So, TM is yogic meditation that has been taught for centuries.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Most mantra meditation does not vary from TM much >> at all because TM meditation was borrowed from the >> way mantra meditation has been taught for centuries >> (but with different mantras for you nitpickers). >> >> > So, most mantra

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote: > Most mantra meditation does not vary from TM much > at all because TM meditation was borrowed from the > way mantra meditation has been taught for centuries > (but with different mantras for you nitpickers). > So, most mantra meditation is TM and has been TM for centuries.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread biosoundbill
Thanks Bairitu, I agree about TM Teachers being too slap dash with the mantra. When I was initiated,I sat down the next day to do my morning meditation,could not think of my mantra,rang my teacher in a panic,he calmly said he would check it at the afternoon first day follow up. He was a nice ol

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread Bhairitu
At a subtler level as with any mantra meditation you're not going to be able to tell what exactly the pronunciation is. You'll always start with the mantra clearly and a good teacher will make sure you have the correct understanding of the pronunciation (it's too slap dash in TM). Just like T

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread biosoundbill
Hi Bhairitu, Does it matter if the pronounciation of a longer mantra changes as it becomes more refined ,just as ones TM Mantra changes when meditating effortlessly. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Bhairitu,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY has always said, we teach knowledge of the infinite, not infinite > knowledge. The TMO, if it wanted to be in the job of teaching > infinite knowledge, could certainly get into a long and involved > discussion

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread biosoundbill
I'll keep the basic TM technique and forget the rest,thanks Bob. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > > > Okay Bob,if that's the case why not one mantra for eve

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-24 Thread biosoundbill
I really hope that what you are saying is true.I'm not questioning your sincerity. I just don't trust the TMO! Something is going on,I have no doubt as I'm having brilliant meditations lately,transcending on a very regular basis. Thanks Bob, Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-23 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Okay Bob,if that's the case why not one mantra for everyone? > > And don't give me the answer that a proper thought needs to be > selected for each individual as per Science of Being and art of > living from

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-23 Thread biosoundbill
Okay Bob,if that's the case why not one mantra for everyone? And don't give me the answer that a proper thought needs to be selected for each individual as per Science of Being and art of living from p50 on. As a technique,TM works briliantly for me,but I think the mantra coverup was a jo

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You will find a > few of the 'meaningless sounds' used by TM * The meaningless sounds used in TM are indeed meaningless sounds because that is the proper use of the mantra in TM. If a thought of meani

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Vaj
On Oct 22, 2007, at 5:46 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > What, exactly, is a bija mantra anyway? > > > > Do bija mantras always have to be recieved in one-on-one > > initiation from a genuine tantric guru? Are bija mantras > > effective if you find them in a book? > > > > Why all the secrecy about b

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread biosoundbill
According to this guy Gabriel,who has Swami Muktananda in his lineage, the repetition of a Biijamantra linked to a particular deity will develop in a person the qualities and attributes embodied by that very deity.They are all doubtless auspicious and will grant the best fruits to you provided

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread bob_brigante
> What, exactly, is a bija mantra anyway? > > > > Do bija mantras always have to be recieved in one-on-one > > initiation from a genuine tantric guru? Are bija mantras > > effective if you find them in a book? > > > > Why all the secrecy about bija mantras? > > > *** The thing about

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question is, where do the TM bija mantras come from? According to Swami Yogananda from the vibrations of the spinal chakras which, incidentally also make up the Sanskrit (Devanagari) alphabet. Fifty peta

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread biosoundbill
What, exactly, is a bija mantra anyway? > > Do bija mantras always have to be recieved in one-on-one > initiation from a genuine tantric guru? Are bija mantras > effective if you find them in a book? > > Why all the secrecy about bija mantras? > I think by getting an initiation from from a TM T

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > After all is said and done, I can't complain about > the way I was taught to meditate in TM, or even about > the mantra I got, meaningless or otherwise. > But I didn't say that your mantra was "meaningless". According to several informants here, you got the nick name of a H

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For me, no effort or will whatsoever is involved. > > > The whole

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread biosoundbill
After all is said and done, I can't complain about the way I was taught to meditate in TM, or even about the mantra I got, meaningless or otherwise. It works for me, and even though the organization that propagates TM has become ultra commercial, the technique still holds good. So I won't distr

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
BillyG wrote: > I can see the clueless nitwit now, with his Sony laptop > under the bridge posting to FFL using wireless satellite > (or stealing the signal from others). :-) > You idiot, Murphy - I have an Apple MacBook Pro! The connection is free - no bridges. But I am a nitwit to ask where th

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sal Sunshine wrote: > > --anyone who doesn't know that "bija mantras" are > > used in TM > > > So, Sal, where do you think the TM bija mantras come from? > > > is a clueless nitwit who lives under a bridg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Bhairitu
Vaj wrote: > > On Oct 21, 2007, at 11:24 PM, BillyG. wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:43 PM, BillyG. wrote: >> > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >> > > > >> > > > In the Hindu yogic traditi

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > In the text below you appear to be admitting that > bija mantras are used in TM! > > Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little > confused? > No, I am not confused, but it would seem that several of the informants here are confused, or at least ill-informed, and are at

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
Sal Sunshine wrote: > --anyone who doesn't know that "bija mantras" are > used in TM > So, Sal, where do you think the TM bija mantras come from? > is a clueless nitwit who lives under a bridge. > > If you are so smart, why don't tell us the name of the > tantric guru that taught them to the M

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > > Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? > > jstein wrote: > Billy...Richard lives under a bridge. > Stop the lying, Judy. You know perfectly well that I live at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, just outside Austin, Texas. Why you'd want to spread falsehoods

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > For me, no effort or will whatsoever is involved. > > The whole thing is automatic, completely > > spontaneous. *Samyama* involves effort, but no

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there any evidence of this? Folks have measured the length of sojourn in TC? Wouldn't that also depend on the individual, on length of practice and predisposition, to name just a few of the possible varia

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Vaj
On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:34 AM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For me, no effort or will whatsoever is involved. > The whole thing is automatic, completely > spontaneous. *Samyama* involves effort, but not > dhyan. TM is Samyama! E

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's also not unusual for people to have imbalanced awakenings, esp. > people working indiscriminately with sexual practices. This is also > somewhat common among TMSP practitioners. It is important to have > guidance in

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For me, no effort or will whatsoever is involved. > The whole thing is automatic, completely > spontaneous. *Samyama* involves effort, but not > dhyan. TM is Samyama! Effortless Dharana (poorly translated as concen

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Vaj
On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:10 AM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some people will have carried an awakening from a previous life, so > it's impossible to tell those who were previously awakened or if they > awakened from their practice in t

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some people will have carried an awakening from a previous life, so > it's impossible to tell those who were previously awakened or if they > awakened from their practice in this life without investigating. But > usually

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-22 Thread Vaj
On Oct 21, 2007, at 11:24 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:43 PM, BillyG. wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So then, what's the difference? the transcendence is the transcendent, right? If it had a sign in it that said, "I'm a better transcendent than the one you get with iddy-biddy mantras" then that wouldn't be the t

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bhairitu, > > I meant to ask you as you meditate with a longer mantra > effortlessly,are you able to let go completely as in TM where the > bija can become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable.Are you

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:43 PM, BillyG. wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > > > transcendent in TM speak is only just the begi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Bhairitu
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Angela Mailander wrote: > Is there any evidence of this? Folks have measured the length of sojourn in > TC? Wouldn't that also depend on the individual, on length of practice and > predisposition, to name just a few of the possible variables? a > > Bh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Vaj
On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:03 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > > transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Vaj
On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:43 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginning...and it's not > truly transcendental consciousness, it's merely a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Vaj
On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:41 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginning...and it's not > truly transcendental consciousness, it's merel

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > > > transcendent in TM speak

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > > transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginning...and it's not > > truly transcendental c

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginning...and it's not > truly transcendental consciousness, it's merely a thought-free state. > It is however an im

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or > transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginning...and it's not > truly transcendental consciousness, it's merely a thought-free > state. It is however an imp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Vaj
In the Hindu yogic tradition I practiced in, the "gap" or transcendent in TM speak is only just the beginning...and it's not truly transcendental consciousness, it's merely a thought-free state. It is however an important sign that practice is ready to go to another level, one where the tra

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So then, what's the difference? the transcendence is the > transcendent, right? I think the point is that some are trying to say that what many TMers think is the transcdenant isn't really. I do not choose to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Angela Mailander
Is there any evidence of this? Folks have measured the length of sojourn in TC? Wouldn't that also depend on the individual, on length of practice and predisposition, to name just a few of the possible variables? a Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: About $4000.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Bhairitu
About $4000. :) And you stay in the transcendent longer. Angela Mailander wrote: > So then, what's the difference? the transcendence is the transcendent, right? > If it had a sign in it that said, "I'm a better transcendent than the one > you get with iddy-biddy mantras" then that wouldn't be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Angela Mailander
So then, what's the difference? the transcendence is the transcendent, right? If it had a sign in it that said, "I'm a better transcendent than the one you get with iddy-biddy mantras" then that wouldn't be the transcendent, would it? a Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread Bhairitu
biosoundbill wrote: > Bhairitu, > > I meant to ask you as you meditate with a longer mantra > effortlessly,are you able to let go completely as in TM where the > bija can become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable.Are you > able to allow a longer mantra to become very faint,unclear, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-21 Thread biosoundbill
Bhairitu, I meant to ask you as you meditate with a longer mantra effortlessly,are you able to let go completely as in TM where the bija can become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable.Are you able to allow a longer mantra to become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable also? >F

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2007, at 7:26 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Richard, > >> > >> In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 20, 2007, at 7:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Richard, In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are used in TM! Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? Billy...Richar

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are > used in TM! > > Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? Billy...Richard lives under a bridge. > Namaste,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-20 Thread biosoundbill
Hi Richard, In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are used in TM! Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? Namaste, Billy > [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody > know. > Richard J. Williams > Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:44 -08

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
matrixmonitor wrote: > The Mahareeshee was by No means a sexual deviate! > He simply had normal sexual relationships, (encounters) > with various females. > So, how would you be knowing anything about the Marshy's personal sex life? > What's wrong with that? > Did I say it was wrong? I just sa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-19 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Don't feed the troll. Don't take mantra knowledge >> from a troll. Enough said. >> >> > Fuck you, Mr. Bharat2 - when you unsubscribe to ComCast > get back to us. Is it alright with you, Sir, if I dialog > with Bill, for just 1 minute, with

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-19 Thread matrixmonitor
---The Mahareeshee was by No means a sexual deviate!. He simply had normal sexual relationships, (encounters) with various females. What's wrong with that? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Richard are you saying tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are > not Tantric Bija Mantras? > Bill - The so-called TM bija mantras are just common everyday words from the Sanskrit dictionary. They can be found in almost any standard Sanskrit lexicon. For example, Ram, Sri, Nama...nothing

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-19 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't feed the troll. Don't take mantra knowledge from a troll. Enough said. > > You would have to be both deaf and blind to not know bij mantras growing > up in India. :) > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Richard, > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Bhairitu
kaladevi93 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> A longer mantra cultures the mind at deeper levels. The short bij >> mantra bobs up and down. It is not like a rock but more like a >> basketball being dribbled. But the longer mantra keeps

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Probably not one person, in the whole history of mankind, > > > has ever been enlightened by repeating gibberish. > > > > BillyG wrote: > > You mean the powerful goo-goo gaa-gaa mantra? Agreed! > > > Acco

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Bhairitu
Don't feed the troll. Don't take mantra knowledge from a troll. Enough said. You would have to be both deaf and blind to not know bij mantras growing up in India. :) biosoundbill wrote: > Richard, > > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > > I believe MMY played around with t

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are not Tantric Bija Mantras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > > > Maybe so, but Varada is the mudra of Ratnasa

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > Maybe so, but Varada is the mudra of Ratnasambhava, the third Dhyani Buddha. The Varada Tantra was composed long after the advent of Buddhist Tantras. The TM mantras are enumerated in the Saundaryalahari ascribed to

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
Richard, I disagree with you, I'm not attacking you, and I'm just agreeing to differ. I think MMY should decide on which version of the Tantric mantras he wishes to use. Either the `M' endings or the `ng' endings. He should have each new initiate complete a detailed questionnaire under the s

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
Richard, Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. I believe MMY played around with them a little to dilute their power, like making Kriing into ki-ring, Shriing into shir-ing, Hriing into Hi-ring, shyam into she-am, etc He really went to town on Saraswati aing,ainga,aim,and aima

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Probably not one person, in the whole history of mankind, > > has ever been enlightened by repeating gibberish. > > BillyG wrote: > You mean the powerful goo-goo gaa-gaa mantra? Agreed! > According to Marshy, it is NOT the technique that causes the enlightened state. The Light is already there,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote: > The short bij mantra bobs up and down. > There seems to be some confusion here. Marshy doesn't give out 'bija' mantras, only the names of the devatas, the deified heroes of the Hindu tradition, along with various words and phrases from Sanskrit. Marshy isn't a tantric yogi i

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > I fully understand what the word 'Sri' and sometimes > 'Shri' means, it's used as a respectful affix to > mantras etc. > All I wanted to point out, Bill, is that you have not included any actual tantric bija mantras - you've just been posting words and phrases found in an

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional > > syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the basic > > TM techn

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bhairitu wrote: > > My guru has had to undo the damage that people got > > from just picking up some mantra from a book. > > > Apparently your guru is a mere retired pilot from the > Indian Air Force - hardl

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > From your experience, am I correct in saying that > > `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' would be the most > > powerful of all 3 meditation mantras? > > > Strictly speaking, none of

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A longer mantra cultures the mind at deeper levels. The short bij > mantra bobs up and down. It is not like a rock but more like a > basketball being dribbled. But the longer mantra keeps you at a deep > level for lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
Hi Richard, Lets agree to differ. I fully understand what the word 'Sri' and sometimes 'Shri' means, it's used as a respectful affix to mantras etc. In the mantra Om Shrim Mahalakshmiyei Swaha Rough Translation: 'Om and salutations to that feminine energy which bestows all manner of wealth, a

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
Sal Sunshine wrote: > U, oh, here we go again..."Muh HAR shee" anyone?? :) > Uh, no, it's Marshy, Sal. > > It's not Shri, but Shreem which is the way they > pronounce the Bija shrIM in the South of India. > > > > It's Shring or sometimes Shrim (thats 'sh'and rim > > as in the rim of a wheel) i

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > It's not Shri, but Shreem which is the way they > pronounce the Bija shrIM in the South of India. > The Sanskrit word Shri is not a bija mantra, Bill, that was my point, anyway you pronpounce it. It's a word found in most standard Sanskrit lexicons - it's a common name us

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 18, 2007, at 2:56 PM, biosoundbill wrote: It's not Shri, but Shreem which is the way they pronounce the Bija shrIM in the South of India. It's Shring or sometimes Shrim(thats 'sh'and rim as in the rim of a wheel)in the North of India. U, oh, here we go again..."Muh HAR shee" anyone?? :

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
It's not Shri, but Shreem which is the way they pronounce the Bija shrIM in the South of India. It's Shring or sometimes Shrim(thats 'sh'and rim as in the rim of a wheel)in the North of India. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Bhairitu
BillyG. wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" >> > wrote: > >>> I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional >>> syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote: > My guru has had to undo the damage that people got > from just picking up some mantra from a book. > Apparently your guru is a mere retired pilot from the Indian Air Force - hardly someone who would be knowing anything about Tantricism in downtown Oakland. In fact ALL bija mant

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
biosoundbill wrote: > From your experience, am I correct in saying that > `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' would be the most > powerful of all 3 meditation mantras? > Strictly speaking, none of these phrases you mention are actual bija mantras. Shri is an Sanskrit honorific; Maha is Sanskrit fo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread Bhairitu
kaladevi93 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Namaskaram Kala Devi, >> >> I'll use a non TM mantra as an example! >> >> Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM technique. >> >> Let's say `Om Shreem Namaha' for an advanced tech

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
Thnaks Kala --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" wrote: > > > > Namaskaram Kala Devi, > > > > I'll use a non TM mantra as an example! > > > > Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM techniq

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Namaskaram Kala Devi, > > I'll use a non TM mantra as an example! > > Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM technique. > > Let's say `Om Shreem Namaha' for an advanced technique. > > Finally let's say

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread biosoundbill
Namaskaram Kala Devi, I'll use a non TM mantra as an example! Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM technique. Let's say `Om Shreem Namaha' for an advanced technique. Finally let's say `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' for a more advanced technique. >From your experience, am I corre

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional > > > syllables are

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" wrote: > > > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional > > syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the basic > > TM technique.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn

2007-10-18 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional > syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the basic > TM technique. > Advanced techniques cost the same as TM ($2,500 I think) and ther