--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I find it difficult wrapping my head around a full program
of
It is entirely possible that TM will be found
better on some measures, and mindfulness will be
found better on some measures...
turquoiseb:
Mindfulness, not so much. It can be -- and has been,
in many cases -- divorced from its spiritual back-
ground and presented as just a simple
azgrey:
I'm not selling anything but more than anyone I have met
in this incarnation I believe you would benefit from
Mindfullness training...
So, what would be the benefit of adding 'Mindfullness'
to his program?
Note to Lawson:
Whatever you do, Lawson, do Not let your mind get full;
So, how many tools such as mantras and yantras
do you think the average person needs in order
to live the spiritual life?
Vaj:
I don't know - how many? I'll promise to write it
down this time.
Answer: It takes zero mantras and yantras in order
to live the spiritual life.
In
Have you ever taken formal instruction in Mindfulness
meditation Lawson?
Considered it?
sparaig:
My own belief and experience is that long-term TM
practice automatically creates mindfulness, without
the baggage...
It might be a good time to review a little Indian
history.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
I believe I pointed out that the US military is getting into
meditation research in a big way. The two techniques they
appear to be focusing on are mindfulness and TM. I am
reasonably confident that whatever the military
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
Thus mindfulness will win out in the marketplace,
no matter who scores better on scientific tests.
Hear Hear, great surprise, the Turq applauds a Buddhist practise ! :-)
TM has been around for 50 years, mindfullness 2450
On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:15 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
To be a successful program for the military or for
the general public, either mindfulness or TM would
IMO have to divorce itself from its religious roots
and stick to being Just A Technique. I do not believe
that the TM
What Judy has written here is stated with such calm, wise and unbiased
conviction it comes across as truth to me. My first look at FFL in quite a
while and I see this. Maybe there is hope for this place after all.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:15 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
To be a successful program for the military or for
the general public, either mindfulness or TM would
IMO have to divorce itself from its religious
It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice TM also practice other
techniques as well.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
Thus mindfulness will win out in the
Certainly the cost of mindfulness techniques as made them very popular.
However, the US military isn't concerned about cost alone, but cost vs
benefits, and they are actively evaluating several different meditation
techniques for use in the US military, including mindfulness and TM.
The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice
TM also practice other techniques as well.
But would you be given a dome pass if you admitted
to having learned mindfulness from a Buddhist teacher?
You're correct. In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
Plus, it would have *significant* advantages when dealing
with PTSD because (even though Nabby in his blissful TM-
induced ignorance doesn't understand this) mindfulness is
not necessarily a meditation technique in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice
TM also practice other techniques as well.
But would you be given a dome pass if you admitted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
Excellent observation Lawson.
Have you ever taken formal instruction in Mindfulness
meditation Lawson?
Considered it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice TM also practice
other techniques as well.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice
TM also practice other techniques as well.
But would you be given a dome pass if you admitted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
Though I know you don't, TurquoiseB, I still enjoy my TM.
It feels good. I am not sure why but it feels even better
since I took instruction in some Mindfullness techniques.
It is almost as if some synergy occurs.
I would
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
But would you be given a dome pass if you admitted
to having learned mindfulness from a Buddhist teacher?
You're correct. In Buddhism it's not an either/or thing.
Is that why most of the Buddhist's I've met appear,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
I find it difficult wrapping my head around a full program
of asanas+pranayama+TM+sutra practice+yogic flying+
rest period+required reading= 45 minutes being a
long-term program. I'm not being critical, Lawson. Just
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
Excellent observation Lawson.
Have you ever taken formal instruction in Mindfulness
meditation Lawson?
Considered it?
My own belief and experience is that long-term TM practice automatically
creates mindfulness,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
Plus, it would have *significant* advantages when dealing
with PTSD because (even though Nabby in his blissful TM-
induced ignorance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
Plus, it would have *significant* advantages when dealing
with PTSD because
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I find it difficult wrapping my head around a full program
of asanas+pranayama+TM+sutra practice+yogic flying+
rest period+required reading= 45
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
Plus,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
Nice story. I got to see him in Santa Fe, although
only from the audience in a room of about 100 others.
His presence touched all of us. He and only one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
I'm not selling anything but ...
Joke of the week :-)
On Apr 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
It's not an either/or thing. The Buddhists who practice
TM also practice other techniques as well.
But would you be given a dome pass if you admitted
to having learned
On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:11 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
Plus, it would have *significant* advantages when dealing
with PTSD because (even though Nabby in his blissful TM-
induced ignorance doesn't understand this) mindfulness is
not necessarily a meditation technique in the sense that
he thinks of
turquoiseb:
One can practice mindfulness anytime, any-
where...
So, how is your 'mindfullness' technique that
different from just a normal waking state?
Vaj:
Generally you'll see many Buddhist meditators
learn either mindfulness or shamatha first and
then learning the other. Later
On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
So, how many tools such as mantras and yantras
do you think the average person needs in order
to live the spiritual life?
I don’t know - how many? I’ll promise to write it down this time.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
If you won't list the papers, I won't respond. If you do
list the papers I won't respond.
Why is it so important to you that Vaj respond?
He *does* have a point that you keep talking about
newer research that you never
Thing is, Unc, I've cited it many times. Vaj just ignores it.
Research on the physiological correlates of pure consciousness found during TM
practice:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911
Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
If you won't list the papers, I won't respond. If you do
list the papers I won't respond.
Why is it so important to you that Vaj respond?
He *does*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Thing is, Unc, I've cited it many times. Vaj just ignores it.
Seems to me that's his right.
I'm going to ignore it, too, because what you posted
*conveys no information*. It is a series of pointers
to things that *you* feel
Sigh. Unc, all you're doing is taking sides. Vaj says you never show any
research... no don't bother.
Then, I show the research and you say: but you didn't pre-digest it for us.
I don't have to pre-digest it for you OR Vaj. The fact that EEG research exists
that was published 30 years AFTER
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Sigh. Unc, all you're doing is taking sides. Vaj says you
never show any research... no don't bother.
Then, I show the research and you say: but you didn't pre-
digest it for us.
I don't have to pre-digest it for you OR
Sigh...
Vaj takes a stance where he uses derogatory terms (sometimes going beyond
insulting to the point of genuine libel) when describing TM researchers and you
ignore his rhetoric.
I point out that Vaj ignores everything that has been published in the past 30
years, and you accuse me of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Sigh...
Vaj takes a stance where he uses derogatory terms (sometimes
going beyond insulting to the point of genuine libel) when
describing TM researchers and you ignore his rhetoric.
OF COURSE I ignore his rhetoric. I
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:30 PM, sparaig wrote:
If you won't list the papers, I won't respond. If you do list the
papers I won't respond.
I'm just saying don't waste your time unless it's something new -
I've heard it all before.
We've discussed these before, it's nothing new. Since they've never
ever come close to showing this magical pure consciousness exists
most of this is moot! As the Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness
points out these pure consciousness claims are best seen as
metaphysical assertions. Since
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
Sigh. Unc, all you're doing is taking sides. Vaj says you never
show any research... no don't bother.
Actually you've showed this steaming pile of turds before. Thanks for
showing it again. It's all been refuted. Before.
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:22 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
So you admit that your only point in this is to prove
Vaj and these other researchers wrong. NOT to say anything
positive about TM.
That was my whole point.
We've discussed this before, the reasons it's BS has been explained
to Lawson many
I was aware of Swami Rama's demonstrations at the Menninger Institute in
Topeka, but understood that he was able to produce theta waves that were
associated with sleep but still remain aware of what the researchers were doing
and saying around him as he produced those brainwaves for short
On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:34 AM, marekreavis wrote:
I was aware of Swami Rama's demonstrations at the Menninger
Institute in Topeka, but understood that he was able to produce
theta waves that were associated with sleep but still remain aware
of what the researchers were doing and saying
Vaj takes a stance where he uses derogatory terms
turquoiseb:
OF COURSE I ignore his rhetoric. I have nothing to
prove one way or another...
Well, that's a thought-stopper!
Vaj takes a stance where he uses derogatory terms
turquoiseb:
OF COURSE I ignore his rhetoric. I have nothing to
prove one way or another...
Well, that's a thought-stopper!
There's no such thing as proper controls in an EEG study on hand-picked
subjects.
The subjects in many of the Pure Consciousness studies were selected because
they were self-reporting regular periods of Pure Consciousness.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
Sigh. Unc, all you're doing is taking sides. Vaj says you never
show any research... no don't bother.
Actually you've showed this steaming pile of turds before. Thanks for
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:41 PM, sparaig wrote:
Only in your own mind.
BTW, referring to someone's professional work as a steaming pile
of turds isn't very compassionate. I thought you were Buddhist.
I was being compassionate, believe me.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:37 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
You were the one who settled for witnessing 24/7 as
a significator of enlightenment (CC), or
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, sparaig wrote:
There's no such thing as proper controls in an EEG study on hand-
picked subjects.
The subjects in many of the Pure Consciousness studies were
selected because they were self-reporting regular periods of Pure
Consciousness
What you meant to
...referring to someone's professional
work as a steaming pile of turds isn't
very compassionate. I thought you were
Buddhist.
Vaj:
I was being compassionate, believe me.
Well, I think Lawson has pretty much proved
his point about research on TM. You didn't
cite anyone or any
Not all studies require controls. Some of the early Pure Consciousness studies
were merely trying to establish what physiological correlates (if any) could be
found for the self-reports of Pure Consciousness episodes. Control groups don't
really make sense in that context.
L
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:40 PM, sparaig wrote:
There's no such thing as proper controls in an EEG study on hand-
picked subjects.
The subjects in many of the Pure Consciousness studies were
selected because they were
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Not all studies require controls. Some of the early Pure
Consciousness studies were merely trying to establish what
physiological correlates (if any) could be found for the
self-reports of Pure Consciousness episodes.
In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only baseline needed is
between episodes of pure consciousness and the rest of the meditation period.
The subjects provide their own baseline.
Once you establish that there is a distinction that can be made in those
specific subjects, you can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only
baseline needed is between episodes of pure consciousness
and the rest of the meditation period. The subjects provide
their own baseline.
Once you establish that
On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:20 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Not all studies require controls. Some of the early Pure
Consciousness studies were merely trying to establish what
physiological correlates (if any) could be found for
On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, sparaig wrote:In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only baseline needed is between episodes of pure consciousness and the rest of the meditation period. The subjects provide their own baseline.Once you establish that there is a distinction that can be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, sparaig wrote:
In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only baseline needed is
between episodes of pure consciousness and the rest of the meditation
period. The subjects provide
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only
baseline needed is between episodes of pure consciousness
and the rest of the meditation period.
You don't need to compare the results you expected
to find to any kind of baseline because...let's face
it...no baseline can possibly compare meaningfully
to the special thing we're researching.
Vaj:
How could you have a baseline when you're comparing
to the ocean of creative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only
baseline needed is between episodes of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
In an exploratory study on Pure Consciousness, the only
baseline needed is between episodes of pure consciousness
and the rest of the meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
Later studies tend to show the discovered effect, whatever it is, is usually
less, often much less than the initial studies implied, for with more
researchers, better ideas how to control for variables
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
Actually, Nablus was referring to the rather esoteric
discussion that Judy and I were having about a very
subtle poitn about effortlessness during TM.
Lawson, not to argue but to clarify, I haven't felt
the need to weigh in
To further clarify, I've been seeing a LOT of discussions
at Fairfield Life lately devolve (or evolve, depending on
one's point of view) into an re-enactment of the Bertrand
Russell quote on the FFL home page: What is wanted is not
the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
Think how sad it would be to believe the opposite, that
what one was told 30 to 40 years ago was all there WAS
to find out.
Your problem is that you didn't have the patience or the personal qualities
required to stick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
I have some friends who were there in India once when Maharishi brought Tat
Walla Baba over for a talk, they tell the story that a course participant
then asked the question of Tat Walla Baba, if he slept?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
..like becoming beacons. The dome in effect is a lot like that as a place.
There are some lit people there spiritually. And like this, radiating
help...
Beautiful ! It's so nice to know that you are now back in the
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:26 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
In this latest round of the re-enactment, it seems to me
that Nabby, Lawson, and Judy are taking the will to believe
position. Their comments seem (to me) driven by the desire
to believe that Maharishi knew what he was doing in setting
things up
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
Think how sad it would be to believe the opposite, that
what one was told 30 to 40 years ago was all there WAS
to find out.
Your problem is that you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
I saw this whole discussion -- as well as recent
discussions about the TM science -- as clear
demonstrations of one of the wise sayings Rick
placed on the FFL home page. That is, an exercise
in the will to believe,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I saw this whole discussion -- as well as recent
discussions about the TM science -- as clear
demonstrations of one of the wise sayings Rick
placed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
The TM movement has failed to produce even a
single person that it can point to as enlightened.
You mean other than the people identified as enlightened' in the research
published a few years ago?
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
The TM movement has failed to produce even a
single person that it can point to as enlightened.
You mean other than the people identified as enlightened'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:26 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
In this latest round of the re-enactment, it seems to me
that Nabby, Lawson, and Judy are taking the will to believe
position. Their comments seem (to me) driven by the
On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:15 AM, cardemaister wrote:
From the POV of kuNDali-yoga (kundalini-yoga), it seems to
me almost the only important naaDii-s are iDaa, pin.galaa (ping-
galaa) and suSumnaa (sushumnaa). YMMV, of course...
He did not seem to be aware of or understand the relationship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
To further clarify, I've been seeing a LOT of discussions
at Fairfield Life lately devolve (or evolve, depending on
one's point of view) into an re-enactment of the Bertrand
Russell quote on the FFL home page: What is wanted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
snip
You just jumped ship and went for the spiritual smorgasbord.
And where exactly did you hear that this is a Bad
Thing? Oh, wait...I remember
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
The TM movement has failed to produce even a
single person that it can point to as
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Can Speed Up the Brain
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:51 PM, sparaig wrote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
Think how sad it would be to believe the opposite, that
what one was told 30 to 40 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
The TM movement has
You keep changing the goal-posts, Unc.
Very dishonest, to join Judy in pointing fingers.
You said enlightened. I mentioned witnessing 24/7 which is how MMY defines
the beginning of Cosmic Consciousness, as you well know. Then you started
talking about full enlightenment, ability to perform all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
You keep changing the goal-posts, Unc.
Very dishonest, to join Judy in pointing fingers.
You said enlightened. I mentioned witnessing 24/7 which
is how MMY defines the beginning of Cosmic Consciousness,
as you well
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I saw this whole discussion -- as well as recent
discussions about the TM science -- as clear
demonstrations of one of the wise sayings Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
You were the one who settled for witnessing 24/7 as
a significator of enlightenment (CC), or even the
beginnings of it. I do not. I have higher standards.
I was merely reminding you that Maharishi did, too.
What
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
I saw this whole discussion -- as well as recent
discussions about the
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:04 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
Does 24/7 witnessing constitute your definition of
full enlightenment? I seem to remember Maharishi's
definition of what he considered full enlightenment
(Unity Consciousness) as, Being able to perform
the sidhis, especially being able to
Fairness and honesty are not among the rules by which Barry plays.
Read his latest contribution below, then check what I've highlighted
in red from his previous posts in this exchange.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:37 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
[...]
You were the one who settled for witnessing 24/7 as
a significator of enlightenment (CC), or even the
beginnings of it. I do not. I have higher standards.
I was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:37 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
You were the one who settled for witnessing 24/7 as
a significator of enlightenment (CC), or
Radically coherent alpha EEG across multiple leads is hypervigilance?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:04 PM,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:37 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
You were the one who settled for witnessing 24/7 as
a significator of enlightenment (CC), or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
snips from Barry and Nabby
Xeno:
Mmm. Barry seems to have actually given the *appearance* of taking a stand
here. I am not responding to Barry here though.
I have stuck with TM for approximately four
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The Kingston Trio. Nice one. This is an excellent conversation, btw.
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