[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-24 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
emptybill: As authentic as saying it was due to the wandering of Jesus during his lost years and then passed on as true tantra. Well, of course, but just for the sake of the dialog, let's assume that there was an 'Adi' Shankarachaya. There's no proof that a 'Shankara' existed; no proof

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-23 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Some TM Teachers say that MMY 'made up' the TM bija mantras... Marcio: Good , very good So, let's review what we know about the TM bijas: According to the 'Srividya Sakta Tantrism', the Adi Shankaracharya went from Jyotirmath, where he composed the Brahma Sutras, to Kashmere, where

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-23 Thread emptybill
Bullshit history made up to fit you own pre-conclusions. As authentic as saying it was due to the wandering of Jesus during his lost years and then passed on as true tantra. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Some TM Teachers say that MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-23 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
So, the Adi Shankacharya took back to South India, the Sounda and the Yantra, with the Saraswati bija engraved thereon, and all of the other fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sounda by the Adi. emptybill: Bullshit history made up to fit you own pre-conclusions. So, you're thinking

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Don't you guys ever get bored with this stuff? The same lingo, over and over, year in and year out, ad nauseum. authfriend: I guess when you're Sal, anything a TMer writes becomes TM lingo in your mind, whether it is or not. Maybe if Sal is so bored with this stuff, she ought to

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
shukra69 thankyou for reply well, I agree with you, but if only transcendence that is really important, I think there would be 16 mantras in TM , maybe one mantra or two or five or only om but - one mantra for each specific age, I think the mantra in TM, is chosen to determind phase of

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Don't you guys ever get bored with this stuff? The same lingo, over and over, year in and year out, ad nauseum. authfriend: I guess when

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Marcio: ...this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? No. Nobody here wants to discuss the issue of where the TM bija mantras came from. That's because the TM Teachers are trained to be very secretive about the TM techniques. Other TM teachers don't know where the TM bijas came

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
LOL :) *_* ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: ...this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? No. Nobody here wants to discuss the issue of where the TM bija mantras came from. That's because the TM Teachers

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Marcio: LOL What's so funny - where do you think the 'bija' mantras came from? There are no bijas mentioned in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Taken on it's face, there's no reason to assume that a nonsense syllable could cause a person to enter into an altered state. It just doesn't make any

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread emptybill
Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni, disciple of Ramana Maharshi, says that the bija mantra ii.m is the great bija mantra from the Rig Veda and is the Rig Veda Pranava, equivalent to o.m which represents the universal Vak. Brahmarshi Daivarata revealed the mahaamantra ii.m o.m shri.h, which is to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
emptybill: According to Frawley, ii.m is the bija mantra of the Vedic Indra and is the foundation of most Shakti mantra-s... So, like David Frawley, you're thinking that the 'bija' mantras came 'out of India' more than 10,000 years ago; before the invention of writing; before the

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
Good , very good --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: LOL What's so funny - where do you think the 'bija' mantras came from? There are no bijas mentioned in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Taken on it's face, there's no reason to

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
emptybill great post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni, disciple of Ramana Maharshi, says that the bija mantra ii.m is the great bija mantra from the Rig Veda and is the Rig Veda Pranava, equivalent to o.m which represents the

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
good job --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Good , very good --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: LOL What's so funny - where do you think the 'bija' mantras came from? There are no

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Marcio
good job --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: emptybill great post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni, disciple of Ramana Maharshi, says that the bija mantra ii.m is the great bija mantra from the

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread whynotnow7
reverb... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: good job --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill great post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni, disciple of

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread emptybill
OK Vag 2. So now you know better than Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni. You also know better than Brahmarshi Daivarata. You probably wrote a refutation of Daivarata's book, Vak Sudha. Very impressive. Like Vag you're being o'so secretive. But go ahead you can reveal it now … I won't tell. Honest. So

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-20 Thread Buck
Tex, this is funny and there is some truth to it too. Actually there is a lot of TM here. that the TM Teachers here ARE the TMO. Yep, there are really very few left inside now. By contrast I am always amused at how many people living here ( old TM'ers) stop and tell me they do lurk FFL. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-19 Thread shukra69
Transcending is most important the rest is secondary. The mantras given to initiates in the west help with the pressing material problems which everyone needs. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said that the mantra is best chosen according to ones Ishata Devata but I don't know of any reliable formula

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:40 PM, shukra69 wrote: Transcending is most important the rest is secondary. The mantras given to initiates in the west help with the pressing material problems which everyone needs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-18 Thread Marcio
Empty and all I think krim mantra is mantra for kali / kali beej mantra however MMY not use Krim he gave to the teachers of TM Kirim MMY I think it would give the mantra kleem ', would be KILEEM' or 'KILIM or KEELEEM ... KLIM is also beej mantra for Kali, the power of magnetic attraction

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-12 Thread Marcelo rosa
*REPORT meditate on mantra kleem in TM I meditated for 7 days twice daily with mantra kleem, I did not feelwell, I felt bad headache, I did not feel natural, so I'm meditating today with the official tM beej mantra, and recommended in the list of * *MMY gave the teachers of TM **... * * *

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-12 Thread shukra69
well at least you didn't fall in love with the wrong gal, Kil-ling yourself or keel-ling back on yourself over and over again. - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@... wrote: *REPORT meditate on mantra kleem in TM I meditated for 7 days twice daily with mantra kleem,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcelo rosa
Emptybill ok ... great answer, thanks for answering, I want to use this mantra on TM technique because I want to unite the power of this mantra (to attract good things, increase the overall power of desire) along with the worship of Krishna and the transcendence of theTranscendental Meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
are nearly identical. **but no identical , and different effects in our consciousness, in our nervous system, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
is not a joke, I'm serious about meditation and mantras, TM mantras etc. .. kleem is different from kreem, kreem is kali mantra ,,, and kleem mantra for lord krishna, Cupid, indra ... I've looked at some sites on the net say 'Kamadeva is one of the names of Krishna --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
I never wrote this list on kleem mantra this is not true .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it because it gives them a chance to display the depth of their knowledge

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
farce ? wy ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Yeah, I knew it was a rerun, but it seems in the last few days or so to have devolved to the level of farce. Sal On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 PM, seventhray1 wrote: It's the same routine he sold

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: I never wrote this list on kleem mantra this is not true .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Brylcreem, huh? LoL! OMG, Brylcreem-tyyli on tyttojen (tyttöjen/tyttoejen) mieleen! :o

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Brylcreem, huh? LoL! OMG, Brylcreem-tyyli on tyttojen (tyttöjen/tyttoejen) mieleen! :o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6F4GtyRfto

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread whynotnow7
LOL - Great find! No more Billy Joe Armstrong, huh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Brylcreem, huh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@... wrote: Emptybill ok ... great answer, thanks for answering, I want to use this mantra on TM technique because I want to unite the power of this mantra (to attract good things, increase the overall power of desire) along

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread obbajeeba
Nabby, you have got to be kidding? Right? As my practice of the technique, regularly, the one you so adore, one must remember who left India?Does Holland come to mind? : ) I appreciate the expanded thoughts in all directions posted by whoever. Hmmm. Nabby, dear Nabby, the cuts that shape

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
ok .. but .. kreem is mahakali beeja mantra and kleem is lord Krishna beeja .. this is no joke *_* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I never wrote this list on kleem mantra

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
hello Card .. you are TMer ? you pratice tm ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Brylcreem, huh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
please be quiet in peace within you, I love TM ok? I'm tmer for 30 years, practicing twice daily are only questions, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@ wrote: Emptybill ok ... great

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
good , open mind *_* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Nabby, you have got to be kidding? Right? As my practice of the technique, regularly, the one you so adore, one must remember who left India?Does Holland come to mind? : ) I appreciate the

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: are nearly identical. **but no identical , and different effects in our consciousness, in our nervous system, * * reruns, with snip and added comment And neither Kama nor Krishna (except insofar as he too appears

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcelo rosa
nablusoss1008 please be quiet in peace within you, I love TM ok? I'm tmer for 30 years, practicing twice daily are only questions, 2011/9/9 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@... wrote: Emptybill ok ... great

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Bhairitu
On 09/09/2011 12:51 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marciotmer1306@... wrote: I never wrote this list on kleem mantra this is not true .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1steve.sundur@ wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Bhairitu
If you're serious, then go to a Hindu temple and discuss it with the priest. Most people here are clueless. On 09/09/2011 12:27 AM, Marcio wrote: is not a joke, I'm serious about meditation and mantras, TM mantras etc. .. kleem is different from kreem, kreem is kali mantra ,,, and kleem

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Yifu
Woof! Marcio, you're barking up the wrong tree. KLIM (KLEEM) is part of the Navarna, or Chamundai mantra and is considered to be the sound embodiment of certain of Kali's powers relating to Her capacity to destroy the evil excesses of Too much, and too little. ... Just send away for the SreeMaa

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread Marcio
Klim or kleem , is beej mantra of Lord Krishna, the god Cupid kamdev, kreem is Mahakali mantra , but when KLIM associated with a range of other Beej, klimm attracts the power of what comes after Beej kliim because klim has the power to attract shows another network location, where it has

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread emptybill
You can look at books or listen to CD's or YouTube for all kinds of mantras, many as a remedy for this or that situation. The authenticity of some of these is doubtful. The mantra for chanting Chamundeswari (Chamunda) is - OM AIM HRIM KRIM CHAMUNDAYAI VICHCHE NAMAH

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread shukra69
I think Maharishi would say it beautiful, its very very beautiful this idea of using silently this mantra. You want to give up developing some knowledge or wealth or power quality for just love, worldly or divine? it is a great idea. you might need to give a two-syllable feel to Maharishiize

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread shukra69
also if you want more love in your life try to do some kind of fast on the weekday associated with the planet of your Upapada Lagna. Download Jagannatha Hora (free) and look for the sign where UL appears in your birth chart. Kleem kaamadevaya vidmahe pushpabanaya dhimahi tanno nangah

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-09 Thread shukra69
by associated in mean if UL falls in leo then it is Sunday , in Capricorn or Aquarius the Saturday etc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: also if you want more love in your life try to do some kind of fast on the weekday associated with the planet of your

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread Marcio
Richard I practice TM-SIDHS for 30 years twice day .. always practice ok ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: and the advanced techniques First you get yourself initiated by a guru and you get the bija mantra. After that

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread Marcio
Richard marcio: wroteDoes anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? Rrichard wrote There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread emptybill
Marcio Did you post this by accident? Or do you not remember the previous post # 288389? Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa or desire. In the West that deity was known as Eros or Cupid. The mantra is used for intensifying attraction and desire. That is probably why it was not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread Marcelo rosa
OK , emptybill yes I looked, but I thought you did not understand because my English is not good, sorry, on the other hand ... what you mean by results not good ? attract bad things? harmful ? however you say receiving things not good, only to kleeem mantra ? , or you say also for any other

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Marcio Did you post this by accident? Or do you not remember the previous post # 288389? Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa or desire. In the West that deity was known as Eros or Cupid. FWIW, in some

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread Marcelo rosa
i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no 2011/9/8 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Marcio Did you post this by accident? Or do you not remember the previous post # 288389? Kleem/Kleeng

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread emptybill
This is a mantra for creating desires and attraction. This is the why you need to be clear about you desire. You might actually get what you want but that may not turn out to be something good. It all depends upon your motivation. So, what do you want for yourself and why do you want to use this

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread emptybill
Kriim/kreem is for Kali --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@... wrote: i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no 2011/9/8 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Marcio

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Marcio Did you post this by accident? Or do you not remember the previous post # 288389? Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread seventhray1
It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it because it gives them a chance to display the depth of their knowledge about mantras, and mantra prefixes and extensions and other nuances. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
Yeah, I knew it was a rerun, but it seems in the last few days or so to have devolved to the level of farce. Sal On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 PM, seventhray1 wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it because it gives them a chance to display the depth

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Marcio: and the advanced techniques First you get yourself initiated by a guru and you get the bija mantra. After that you can meditate on the bija, at least twice a day, for about twenty minutes. Then a little later, you can get some more advanced techniques. It's like a garden. You

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Bhairitu: There is a PDF article on mantras available there. Great, but you can't learn tantra yoga from a PDF. In fact, a 'bija mantra' is a bija mantra only when given in an initiation by a guru. You failed to give a definition of bija mantra. Definition of mantra: A mantra is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 09/07/2011 08:33 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Bhairitu: There is a PDF article on mantras available there. Great, but you can't learn tantra yoga from a PDF. In fact, a 'bija mantra' is a bija mantra only when given in an initiation by a guru. You failed to give a definition of

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
There is a PDF article on mantras available there... Great, but you can't learn tantra yoga from a PDF. Bhairitu: Don't be so dense. I've said all along one can't learn tantra from books and that it should be learned from a master of the path. So, why did you send Marcio

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 09/07/2011 09:17 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: There is a PDF article on mantras available there... Great, but you can't learn tantra yoga from a PDF. Bhairitu: Don't be so dense. I've said all along one can't learn tantra from books and that it should be learned from a master

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
So, why did you send Marcio to a David Frawley PDF? Bhairitu: For some information on beej mantras... Who said David Frawley was a 'master' empowered to give out any bija mantra information on the internet? You don't seriously believe that the bija mantras are ten thousand years

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2011-09-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 09/07/2011 12:27 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: So, why did you send Marcio to a David Frawley PDF? Bhairitu: For some information on beej mantras... Who said David Frawley was a 'master' empowered to give out any bija mantra information on the internet? You don't seriously

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2011-09-07 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Briefly stated, the autochtonous hypothesis proposes that the Aryan speaking people originated in India where they composed the Vedas and then spread out from Kurukshetra over a long period of time beginning in 8000 BCE, to found all the European, Middle Eastern and Mediteranean

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2011-09-07 Thread obbajeeba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Briefly stated, the autochtonous hypothesis proposes that the Aryan speaking people originated in India where they composed the Vedas and then spread out from Kurukshetra over a long period of

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2011-09-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 09/07/2011 01:02 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Briefly stated, the autochtonous hypothesis proposes that the Aryan speaking people originated in India where they composed the Vedas and then spread out from Kurukshetra over a long period of time beginning in 8000 BCE, to found all the

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2011-09-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
emptybill: What Richard Williams says is inaccurate... So, let review what we know about the TM bija mantras: It has already been established that our Guru Dev, Swami Brahmanand, was an initiate of the Saraswati Order of Vendata Sanyasins, with their headquarters at Sringeri. It has

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2011-09-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Marcio: but I have a doubt Bija 'mantras', by definition, have no semantic meaning - that's why they're called 'mantras' instead of being called 'words'. If the bijas were Sanskrit words, there would be no need for a definition of them, since their meaning would be obvious to anyone who

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2011-09-05 Thread Marcio
Richrad great answer, very good your knowledge ... and on the advanced techniques ... Additions to Beej? Do you know anything about it ..? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: emptybill: What Richard Williams says is inaccurate... So,

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2011-09-05 Thread emptybill
Marcio You might do better by buying the following books on www.Amazon.com, which give detailed explanations about mantras: Mantra Yoga and Primal Sound: Secrets of Seed (Bija) Mantra by David Frawley Also: Inner Tantric Yoga: Working with the Universal Shakti; Secrets of Mantras, Deities and

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2011-09-05 Thread Bhairitu
David is an old friend and has a web site: http://www.vedanet.com/ There is a PDF article on mantras available there. On 09/05/2011 10:24 AM, emptybill wrote: Marcio You might do better by buying the following books on www.Amazon.com, which give detailed explanations about mantras: Mantra

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
RoryI meditate with kleeng mantra, I felt much more affinity ... kleem mantra meditate is not so good to me ... I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-) I said I would like to

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
good but how to know the most suitable? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 09/03/2011 12:47 PM, Marcio wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo

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2011-09-04 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it

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2011-09-04 Thread Robert
Thanks Willie, good information for the general public..the millions of rank and file meditators around this world... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem?

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2011-09-04 Thread Denise Evans
A picture is worth a millennium of words...yes, this helps. --- On Sat, 9/3/11, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday

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2011-09-04 Thread Bhairitu
That's what you go study with a master to learn. The method of picking mantras is called mantra shastra and was not taught to TM teachers. On 09/04/2011 06:56 AM, Marcio wrote: good but how to know the most suitable? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? --- In

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2011-09-04 Thread RoryGoff
* * That I understand, Marcelo! May you enjoy it immensely! In my view, this Kleeng sound is indeed a wonderful Mrs. Clean. It may well help cut and polish your diamond-body of perfection. In the process, as your diamond-body is properly cut and sculpted to reflect the brilliance of Totality,

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? because these

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2011-09-04 Thread emptybill
Mario, These seed-mantras are used in the various Tantras in reference to different deities of popular worship. What Richard Williams says is inaccurate, which has been pointed out to him numerous times. Shankara did not compose the Saudarya Lahiri nor suggest using it. This claim is

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? --- In

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2011-09-04 Thread emptybill
Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advancedtechniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In

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2011-09-04 Thread emptybill
These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja).

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
Yes, I understand ... MMY said his method does not follow anytraditional school of india ... but I'd like to understand the advanced techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah

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2011-09-04 Thread Robert
'Shri' is more of a mini-mantra for Lakshmi, which full biji mantra is: 'Shreem'... So adding Shri to any mantra is just like addiing the feminine aspect of 'Shakti' as 'Lakshmi'... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning.

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2011-09-04 Thread Robert
The advanced techniques are just additions to the mantra, which extend the sound value, of the mantra, as to begin to observe more subtle levels of perception of fine values of the mantra... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Yes, I understand ... MMY said his

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-04 Thread Robert
Not sure about Krim, but Shiam or Shiama is for Krishna --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic

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2011-09-04 Thread Marcio
shri .. means auspicious reverence has nothing with mini mantra lakshmi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: 'Shri' is more of a mini-mantra for Lakshmi, which full biji mantra is: 'Shreem'... So adding Shri to any mantra is just like addiing the feminine

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2011-09-03 Thread RoryGoff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo * * According to my copy of the Book of Dzyan (Astral Edition): Om Hrim Kleeng gets

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2011-09-03 Thread Marcelo rosa
Rory kleeng you think is more powerful? I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem 2011/9/3 RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Does

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2011-09-03 Thread seventhray1
I think I know where this is going. We may be picking up where we left off several months ago, with the endless questioning about this or that mantra, and why this or that particular pronunciation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@... wrote: Rory kleeng you

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2011-09-03 Thread whynotnow7
Your post reminded me that Mr. Clean was waaay ahead of his time, already stylin' two earrings *and* a shaved head in 1958! Came from the future to clean our stuff! How divine is that?? And now Mr. Kleem, Mr. Mantra himself. Even a blue Mohawk, piercings, and full body tats, for example,

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

2011-09-03 Thread whynotnow7
Oh c'mon seventhray, its practically effortless. All you have to do is find those familiar ruts and tread along in them again. Surely that is not too difficult? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I think I know where this is going. We may be picking

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2011-09-03 Thread Denise Evans
Based on the book, what does Om Hreem Kleem Namah mean? --- On Sat, 9/3/11, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September

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