[FairfieldLife] Swedes are master plagiators?
They just take a song, modify the melody a bit and render a much more professional and sofisticated sounding version? As an example George McRae vs. Abba: George McRae: Rock your baby (1974): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDD5BQlv8iw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDD5BQlv8iw Abba: Dancing Queen (1976): Abba - Dancing Queen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s Abba - Dancing Queen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s Music video by Abba performing Dancing Queen. (C) 1976 Polar Music International AB View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis
I'm going to be in Amsterdam today and thus not following FFL, but I thought I'd use my free will :-) to throw out one last set of thoughts that your writings on the free will issue have triggered in me. Probably because I just finished writing a short article about proprioception, in my mind many of these supposed neurological studies about whether we have free will link with that phenomenon in my mind. I think that the neuroscientists might be confusing the distinction between *conscious* decision-making and *unconscious* decision-making when trying to prove their contention that we have no free will. *Both* forms of decision-making are present at all times. It has been estimated that fewer than 1% of the mind-body processes that keep us alive ever register as conscious thoughts in the human mind. You don't have to consciously try to breathe, or to keep your heart beating. Similarly, in most cases you don't consciously have to try to keep your balance, because your proprioceptive system (in conjunction with the vestibular system and the visual system) enable you to do so without your conscious mind having to get involved. Specialized proprioceptor nerve cells transmit and receive signals to and from the cerebellum, reacting to changing stimuli (like Am I walking on a slippery surface?) from the muscles, tendons, joints, and skin. The cerebellum processes the incoming information -- literally millions of such impulses per hour -- and calculates how the muscles should react to the changing stimuli, and with how much force to (for example) keep your balance. Interestingly, however, just as cognitive functions start to deteriorate with age, so does your proprioceptive system. This is the reason why the number one cause of hospital admissions in the elderly is falls. Their proprioceptive system starts to fail, and thus they can no longer keep their balance any more, and they fall and injure themselves. This is where the free will rap comes into the picture for me. The proprioceptive system doesn't *have* to fail as you age. Doctors have found that if they can urge the aging person to perform a couple of minutes of balancing exercises per day, they can both keep their balance from failing, and bring it back if it had already begun to fail. Just intentionally walking on uneven surfaces or balancing on a bongo board or a BOSU can drastically reduce their likelihood of falling and injuring themselves. In a way, this is a parallel to mental exercises like doing crossword puzzles, which can delay or reverse the failing of cognitive functioning we see in senility. The free will aspect of this I see is that the elderly person still has a choice. They could *not* do the simple exercises for a couple of minutes a day, and thus watch their sense of balance continue to erode, or they *could* do them, and watch it come back. And none of this requires any conscious decisions like Oh, I am listing to the right so I should move my upper body to the left to retain balance. It just happens automatically, because the proprioceptive system is healthier. The free will involved in my opinion is whether the elderly person is willing to improve their lot by following the doctors' advice or not. If they are, their balance will improve. If they're not, it won't, and will continue to degrade. THAT is a conscious free will decision, on the basis of which literally millions of unconscious decisions relating to balance change. You may not find this interesting, but I did, so I just thought I'd throw it out. This is one of the reasons I'm not as impressed by neurological tests that show a lag time between a stimulus appearing and recognition of it happening in the conscious mind. Stimuli becoming *consciously* recognized is neurologically a very slow process *anyway*, and in many cases is simply not necessary for the body to react properly to the stimulus. So using when the person becomes consciously aware that they have made a decision as a test of free will seems to me to be fatally flawed from the outset. The example is (in a healthy person) placing your finger on a hot stove by accident. Your body jerks your finger away long before your mind has even consciously noticed that your finger is burning. That does NOT in my opinion mean that you don't have the ability to make conscious decisions about choices that HAVE reached your conscious mind. An example of the latter is doing balance exercises to improve one's failing sense of balance -- that is a conscious decision, and one's future very much depends on it. No fate or determinism involved. That's all. Now I'm off to have some breakfast and head into Amsterdam for the day. Jai and away, and thanks again for all the delightful conversation. If nothing else, our conversations should prove to a few people here that it is possible to disagree without the disagreement becoming a drama queen moment. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Poetry is where you find it
This little poem is floating around the Internet, because someone found it and entered it into the National Poetry Contest going on right now, and many of the judges loved it. It's really lovely, captures the moment perfectly, and (the kicker) was written by a first-grader: We did the soft wind. We danst slowly. We swrld Aroned. We danst soft. We lisin to the mozik. We danst to the mozik. We made personal space.
[FairfieldLife] Astral Projection and Auras [1 Attachment]
Hi All, I am new to this forum and it is the first time I have joined a spiritually orientated group. For most of my life I have kept quiet simply because my belief's are different from those around me, so I am hoping to meet like minded people. So here goes. My spiritual life began when I started to communicate with my Spirit Guide 40 years ago in Cambridge UK, I was introduced to the spiritual church there by a girl friend. Things have taken off since then, but I haven't, I cannot get out of this decrepit body and perform an Astral Projection! I have read many books – analysed Monroe, Rogo, Taylor and others, but still stay firmly on Terra Firma. If anyone has any advice I would be grateful. I have attached a photo of a collection of auras of acquaintances, ( found a free site and gave it a go – a first for me) if anyone can interpret the colour meanings I would be very grateful. Regards John
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
of course it sounds better in modern context - he was able to sell it so
religious people, and it sat better with secular people too - he was a liar and
a con artist whether you like it or not
On Sat, 5/3/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR
afterall
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 1:20 AM
Maharishi, in later life, tried to clarify what he
means by devas (Hindu gods and goddesses).
A claim that he was lying because he
attempted to use less confusing/procative terms when dealing
with Westerners (e.g. devas are fundamental
impulses/vibrations of pure consciousness) is
unwarranted.
The
term deva literally translates as shining
one from Sansrkit, and in the context of dhyan and the
Yoga Sutras, where
it says that any attractive object of attention can be used
as an ishtadeva [cherished shining one], to say
that TM mantras are sounds chosen for their attractive
effect during meditation captures the intent of the Yoga
Sutras better in a modern context than saying that mantras
fetch us the grace of personal
gods.
Otherwise, you're insisting that
using the word booyah or some random visual
image as your ishtadeva during meditation is to make
booyah or the random visual image a sacred
deity because that is literally what the Yoga Sutra says if
you insist that deva is a deity in all
contexts.
L
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[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Practice makes for more Perfection
Thanks this science is an extremely important addition to the data around spirituality. -Buck in the Dome LEnglish5 offers: Fred Travis' article published in the New York Academy of Sciences that discusses the preliminary research on Cosmic Consciousness: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Specific research on pure consciousness discussed in that paper: Breath Suspension During the Transcendental Meditation Technique http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf Electrophysiologic Characteristics of Respiratory Suspension Periods Occurring During the Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/46/3/267.full.pdf Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: Possible markers of Transcendental Consciousness http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/transcendental-consciousness.pdf Correlates of stabilization of pure consciousness, aka Cosmic Consciousenss -the preliminary stage of enlightenment in TM-theory: Psychological http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf physiological http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I have this idea kicking around in my head to try to interview Sam Harris, or someone like him. An intelligent atheist, as I understand him. I’d want to read all his books first, and then hash out the likely points of discussion with you beforehand. We could do it on FFL. My perspective is very SCI-like – that intelligence is omnipresent, all-pervading, and obvious if one looks closely enough. I’m interviewing a guy named Bernardo Kastrup in a couple of months who has written a book called “Why Materialism is Baloney”, but it would be fun to interview an intelligent materialist, if that’s what Harris is, and see if we could find any common ground. What do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
The fact that Harris says this —but it may be the only course of action
available to us, given what Islamists believe is more revealing than his
assertion that he is against it.
His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that obviously
does not cover all Muslims. The religion of Islam has been hijacked by a
minority of very violent and more importantly greedy power hungry people.
Harris's belief that all the Islamic violence is based on religion is naive. I
assure you the mullahs and imams who exhort the young people to become
terrorists and suicide bombers do so in the main because it furthers their
agenda to gain or maintain wealth and power.
On Sat, 5/3/14, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 2:22 AM
--In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote
:
Harris advocates a
first strike against Iran?
That's not controversialy,
that's insane.
When you interview him, be sure to
change the name of batgap forum for that
episode.
C: Your
very funny comment on changing the name of Batgap, I am
assuming to batshit aside...
this is a slanderous misread of Harris'
position by journalists which he clarifies here:
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2
The basic upshot is that he
was painting a hypothetical combination of a society that
glorifies suicidal actions against infidels combined with
long range nuclear capability and the fact that we do have
nuclear weapons that we would use if we believed we were in
imminent danger.
Needless
to say, this would be an unthinkable crime—as it would
kill tens of
millions of innocent civilians in a single day—but it may
be the only
course of action available to us, given what Islamists
believe. HarrisWhat
will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed at
the mere
mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear
weaponry? If
history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the
offending
warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we
will be
unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy
them. In
such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our
survival may be a
nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this would
be an
unthinkable crime—as it would kill tens of millions of
innocent
civilians in a single day—but it may be the only course of
action
available to us, given what Islamists believe. How would
such an
unconscionable act of self-defense be perceived by the rest
of the
Muslim world? It would likely be seen as the first incursion
of a
genocidal crusade. The horrible irony here is that seeing
could make it
so: this very perception could plunge us into a state of hot
war with
any Muslim state that had the capacity to pose a nuclear
threat of its
own. All of this is perfectly insane, of course: I have just
described a
plausible scenario in which much of the world’s
population could be
annihilated on account of religious ideas that belong on the
same shelf
with Batman, the philosopher’s stone, and unicorns. That
it would be a
horrible absurdity for so many of us to die for the sake of
myth does
not mean, however, that it could not happen. - See more at:
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2#sthash.G6o2BhSt.dpuf
He is not for it,
he is against it. He believes the beliefs in Islam might
cause it so he is against those beliefs.
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote
:
On
5/2/2014 10:02 AM, Rick Archer
wrote:
Last
night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and LOVED
it.
Didn’t disagree with anything I’ve read so far. I’m
taking notes
and will post them for discussion later
on.
You may find the idea of a nuclear first-strike against Iran
to be
not quite to your liking, but I tend to agree with Harris on
this -
avoid the danger that lies ahead.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
You are an idiot.
Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a Chinese term for zazen
introduced by Rujing, a monk of the Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan,
it is associated with the Soto school.
Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is the largest of the three
traditional sects of Zen in Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and
Ōbaku). It emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors, or
content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream of thoughts, allowing
them to arise and pass away without interference.
On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM
Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM
I love these
things that sound like 'designer', meditations or
designer martial arts techniques.
Our special tonight is shikantaza meditation, which
we will do while sitting in a modified Cheyenne sweat lodge,
which has been purified and smoked with a sandalwood
reduction incense which has been placed on hexagonal
charcoal base from a banyan tree in central
Tibet.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mjackson74@... wrote :
I'd like to know
how Curtis does this dive deep for samadhi meditation, I
have been doing some shikantaza meditation, but I just get
vibbed with the bliss I feel after a little while and then
get up and go do something else. The bliss starts after
about one minute so its like, ok I'm here now WTF do I
do? Bliss gets tiresome after a while I find. Any guidance
on that Curtis?
On Fri, 5/2/14, Richard J. Williams punditster@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future
and the New TM Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 2, 2014, 2:36 PM
On
5/2/2014 5:12 AM, TurquoiseBee
wrote:
I
still continue to practice a sitting
meditation most days
-- not TM, not mantra-based, but eyes-closed,
dive-for-deep-samadhi meditation. I do it
because I enjoy
it, and after 20 minutes or so I feel
refreshed and
experience a clarity that I would possibly
miss if I
stopped. It's sorta like I've gone
back to the first days
of TM experience -- 20/20 meditation, done
primarily
because of its benefits in activity, not done
for
itself. Although, to be honest, I often
don't get in two
sitting meds per day.
Another 180 - after over fifteen years of telling us
that meditation
is a fruitless effort with zero benefits. Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
Maharishi didn't try or modify anything late in life. He simply saw that the transformation of world consciousness, for which he was more than partly responsible, had become enough mature to be confronted with the obvious. The long period of massaging the scientific world was over. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Maharishi, in later life, tried to clarify what he means by devas (Hindu gods and goddesses). A claim that he was lying because he attempted to use less confusing/procative terms when dealing with Westerners (e.g. devas are fundamental impulses/vibrations of pure consciousness) is unwarranted. The term deva literally translates as shining one from Sansrkit, and in the context of dhyan and the Yoga Sutras, where it says that any attractive object of attention can be used as an ishtadeva [cherished shining one], to say that TM mantras are sounds chosen for their attractive effect during meditation captures the intent of the Yoga Sutras better in a modern context than saying that mantras fetch us the grace of personal gods. Otherwise, you're insisting that using the word booyah or some random visual image as your ishtadeva during meditation is to make booyah or the random visual image a sacred deity because that is literally what the Yoga Sutra says if you insist that deva is a deity in all contexts. L
[FairfieldLife] Science and Spirituality and Maharishi:
Observation, Hypothesis, Test; Scientific Process.. . When you get things laid out in time series of publication to look at it becomes remarkable what Maharishi was doing all along going way back. There was quite a lot of scientific process (advancement too) which got specifically propelled by Maharishi all through the years and decades. Constantly. Quite fairly this is something that distinguishes Maharishi's spiritual teaching. Observe, hypothesize, test. The science was actually driving larger policy that was initiated by Maharishi himself to be able to set up tests and explore data all along from early on. He was really quite a modern man fusing the ancient and modern in the science of collecting data, making hypothesis and testing as process of science on the spiritual; in making hypothesis based on observation in research that then drives tests and the history of the movement as science test is also a history of Transcendental Meditation [TM] dating from early in Maharishi's arrival in the West in the 1950's through the 60's, 70's, 1980's, 90's, 00's to present. “Observe, hypothesis, test”. He really persisted and in culture pulled quite a coup on religion-ists and atheists alike in a teaching of science and spirituality. -Buck Thanks this science is an extremely important addition to the data around spirituality. -Buck in the Dome LEnglish5 offers: Fred Travis' article published in the New York Academy of Sciences that discusses the preliminary research on Cosmic Consciousness: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Specific research on pure consciousness discussed in that paper: Breath Suspension During the Transcendental Meditation Technique http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf Electrophysiologic Characteristics of Respiratory Suspension Periods Occurring During the Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/46/3/267.full.pdf Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: Possible markers of Transcendental Consciousness http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/transcendental-consciousness.pdf Correlates of stabilization of pure consciousness, aka Cosmic Consciousenss -the preliminary stage of enlightenment in TM-theory: Psychological http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf physiological http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I have this idea kicking around in my head to try to interview Sam Harris, or someone like him. An intelligent atheist, as I understand him. I’d want to read all his books first, and then hash out the likely points of discussion with you beforehand. We could do it on FFL. My perspective is very SCI-like – that intelligence is omnipresent, all-pervading, and obvious if one looks closely enough. I’m interviewing a guy named Bernardo Kastrup in a couple of months who has written a book called “Why Materialism is Baloney”, but it would be fun to interview an intelligent materialist, if that’s what Harris is, and see if we could find any common ground. What do you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and Krauss - the Four Horsemen of the Materialist
Apocalypse!
On Sat, 5/3/14, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 2:22 AM
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote
:
Harris advocates a
first strike against Iran?
That's not controversialy,
that's insane.
When you interview him, be sure to
change the name of batgap forum for that
episode.
C: Your
very funny comment on changing the name of Batgap, I am
assuming to batshit aside...
this is a slanderous misread of Harris'
position by journalists which he clarifies here:
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2
The basic upshot is that he
was painting a hypothetical combination of a society
that
glorifies suicidal actions against infidels combined
with
long range nuclear capability and the fact that we do
have
nuclear weapons that we would use if we believed we were
in
imminent danger.
Needless
to say, this would be an unthinkable crime—as it
would
kill tens of
millions of innocent civilians in a single day—but it
may
be the only
course of action available to us, given what Islamists
believe. HarrisWhat
will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed
at
the mere
mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear
weaponry? If
history is any guide, we will not be sure about where
the
offending
warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so
we
will be
unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to
destroy
them. In
such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our
survival may be a
nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this
would
be an
unthinkable crime—as it would kill tens of millions of
innocent
civilians in a single day—but it may be the only course
of
action
available to us, given what Islamists believe. How would
such an
unconscionable act of self-defense be perceived by the
rest
of the
Muslim world? It would likely be seen as the first
incursion
of a
genocidal crusade. The horrible irony here is that
seeing
could make it
so: this very perception could plunge us into a state of
hot
war with
any Muslim state that had the capacity to pose a nuclear
threat of its
own. All of this is perfectly insane, of course: I have
just
described a
plausible scenario in which much of the world’s
population could be
annihilated on account of religious ideas that belong on
the
same shelf
with Batman, the philosopher’s stone, and unicorns.
That
it would be a
horrible absurdity for so many of us to die for the sake
of
myth does
not mean, however, that it could not happen. - See more
at:
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2#sthash.G6o2BhSt.dpuf
He is not for it,
he is against it. He believes the beliefs in Islam might
cause it so he is against those beliefs.
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@...
wrote
:
On
5/2/2014 10:02 AM, Rick Archer
wrote:
Last
night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and
LOVED
it.
Didn’t disagree with anything I’ve read so far.
I’m
taking notes
and will post them for discussion later
on.
You may find the idea of a nuclear first-strike against
Iran
to be
not quite to your liking, but I tend to agree with Harris
on
this -
avoid the danger that lies ahead.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
Jesus Christ, what a little piker you are. My God, if dropping names was a means to enlightenment, you've arrived little fella. Between that, and your list of Bourbons, you've got the spaced covered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are an idiot. Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated with the Soto school. Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku). It emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors, or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without interference. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Hast thou never heard of Daisy Cutters and other super-conventional weapons? There's no need to advocate our going nuclear against any small country, ever. C: So substitute daisy cutters for nuclear bombs and his actual point remains the same. He wrote this after 9-11 when he saw the US start two wars and there was talk of bombing Iran in the White House already. His book was a cautionary tale about what factor religious beliefs added to the problem. It was not advocating war, it was trying to prevent one. There may be all sorts of legitimate reasons to disagree with Harris, but at least get his argument right before you start the name calling routine. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 9:22 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Harris advocates a first strike against Iran? A first nuclear strike against Iran may be the only option considering the goal of Sunni Islam is the annihilation of the Western world. The enemy is the closed society that preaches violence and death against everyone that does not believe in Allah. Harris pulls no punches - he is a pragmatist. That's not controversialy, that's insane. So, in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - vast human atrocities - maybe we should consider the nuclear option. According to Harris, this may be the only option available to us, given what Islamists believe in the event of an Islamist regime such as Iran acquiring nuclear weapons capability. Work cited: 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason' by Sam Harris W. W. Norton, 2004 p. 129 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
Unless Harris has started to refer to himself in the 3rd person (he has not) this is a misleading attribution. Nothing here is from his book, you are quoting people who are misrepresenting his ideas. You are the reference guy Richard, come on man keep it tight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 9:22 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Harris advocates a first strike against Iran? A first nuclear strike against Iran may be the only option considering the goal of Sunni Islam is the annihilation of the Western world. The enemy is the closed society that preaches violence and death against everyone that does not believe in Allah. Harris pulls no punches - he is a pragmatist. That's not controversialy, that's insane. So, in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - vast human atrocities - maybe we should consider the nuclear option. According to Harris, this may be the only option available to us, given what Islamists believe in the event of an Islamist regime such as Iran acquiring nuclear weapons capability. Work cited: 'The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason' by Sam Harris W. W. Norton, 2004 p. 129 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The fact that Harris says this —but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe is more revealing than his assertion that he is against it. His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that obviously does not cover all Muslims. The religion of Islam has been hijacked by a minority of very violent and more importantly greedy power hungry people. Harris's belief that all the Islamic violence is based on religion is naive. I assure you the mullahs and imams who exhort the young people to become terrorists and suicide bombers do so in the main because it furthers their agenda to gain or maintain wealth and power. C: I can't remember if he addresses your point about the religious sincerity of the Mullahs. You may be right about that. But it is tangential to his point about the issues with religious beliefs. All countries act in their own self interest but the ideology of Islam was a game changer at that time. Their confidence in what happens after death was instrumental in allowing the guys who flew the planes into the twin towers to act that way. So although their ultimate motivation at the leadership level may be just as you say, the followers are being guided by an ideology that allows for women to hide bombs under burkas at military checkpoints and blow themselves up along with our solders at that time.It is s direct result of religious ideas about how life works including a reward system in the afterlife for such behavior. The other thing religion adds to the human tendency to power grab is to deflect criticism about the ideas they are spreading because it is shielded by the don't criticize religious ideas directly ban. Harris agrees with your analysis of the extremists but he places the blame on the moderates for shielding them behind the odd way we treat religious ideas. If they came out and said that this part of the Koran is wrong, or if Christians did this with the Bible we could have a discussion of ideas like we do with everything else in human knowledge. But both of these books are shielded from direct criticism by the idea that they are different from all other human produced literature containing ideas. There are scripture and God's hand was in their production. And the weird thing is that each religion only accepts their own god book as authoritative, not the other guy's. But they still protect the other guy's divine right of non criticism so that people wont challenge the absurd claim they are making about their own god book. Harris is against this collusion of ignorance. If you take out a section of the Bible that advocates slavery and say, this is stupid and wrong you will be accused of being religiously intolerant rather than just pointing out a stupid and wrong idea some man wrote. This is the battle Harris is picking, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's motivations. On Sat, 5/3/14, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 2:22 AM --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Harris advocates a first strike against Iran? That's not controversialy, that's insane. When you interview him, be sure to change the name of batgap forum for that episode. C: Your very funny comment on changing the name of Batgap, I am assuming to batshit aside... this is a slanderous misread of Harris' position by journalists which he clarifies here: http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2 http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2 The basic upshot is that he was painting a hypothetical combination of a society that glorifies suicidal actions against infidels combined with long range nuclear capability and the fact that we do have nuclear weapons that we would use if we believed we were in imminent danger. Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crime—as it would kill tens of millions of innocent civilians in a single day—but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe. HarrisWhat will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed at the mere mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear weaponry? If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this would
[FairfieldLife] Note to Rick Conderning his interview with Sam Harris
Hey Rick, If you follow the threads from Lawson about Sam Harris you will gain some insight into Harris' world. In most debates and interviews he has to spend most of this time sorting out the misunderstandings about his position caused by people quoting people misrepresenting his ideas rather than his actual points in his books. Richard even posted a attribution to his book under statements from other people misrepresenting his positions, and this is very common all over the internet. If you get a chance to interview him your ability to state his actual points will be a huge rapport builder. And this seems like just an obvious point for any interview but controversial guys like him are more prone to people misrepresenting their ideas to make them look bad so he is extra touchy about this. Just focusing on his actual points that can be challenged for good reasons will make your interview a breath of fresh air for him I am sure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astral Projection and Auras
Back in 1902, the Theosophist Leadbeater wrote Man Visible and Invisible which covers the bases. Here's a link to the text on-line which includes lots of colour plates but also I've copied in his interpretations of the colours below. There are lots of groups offering courses in astral projection and/or lucid dreaming in the UK. Do a Google. http://www.anandgholap.net/Man_Visible_And_Invisible-CWL.htm http://www.anandgholap.net/Man_Visible_And_Invisible-CWL.htm 134.Anger, for example, is represented by scarlet, and love by crimson and rose; but both anger and love are often deeply tinged with selfishness, and just so far as that is the case will the purity of their respective colors be dimmed by the hard brown-grey which is so characteristic of this vice. Or again, either of them may be mingled with pride, and that would instantly show itself by a tinge of deep orange. Many examples of such commingling, and of the resultant shades of color, will be seen as we continue our investigation; but our first endeavor must be to learn to read the meaning of the simpler hues. We will give here a list of some of these which are most common. 135.Black. - Thick black clouds in the astral body mark the presence of hatred and malice. When a person unhappily gives way to a fit of passionate anger, the terrible thought-forms of hate may generally be seen floating in his aura like coils of heavy, poisonous smoke. 136.Red. - Deep-red flashes, usually on a black ground, show anger; and this will be more or less tinged with brown as there is more or less of direct selfishness in the type of anger. What is sometimes called “noble indignation” on behalf of someone oppressed or injured may express itself in flashes of brilliant scarlet on the ordinary background of the aura. 137.Lurid, sanguinary red - a color which is quite unmistakable, though not easy to describe - indicates sensuality. 138.Brown. - Dull brown-red, almost rust-color, means avarice; and it usually arranges itself in parallel bars across the astral body, giving a very curious appearance. 139.Dull, hard brown-grey signifies selfishness, and is unfortunately one of the very commonest colors in the astral body. 140.Greenish-brown, lit up by deep red or scarlet flashes, denotes jealousy, and in the case of the ordinary man there is nearly always a good deal of this color present when he is what is called “in love”. 141.Grey. - Heavy leaden grey expresses deep depression, and where this is habitual its appearance is sometimes indescribably gloomy and saddening. This color also has the curious characteristic of arranging itself in parallel lines, as has that of avarice, and both give the impression that their unfortunate victim is imprisoned within a kind of astral cage. 142.Livid grey, a most hideous and frightful hue, betokens fear. 143.Crimson. - This color is the manifestation of love, and is often the most beautiful feature in the vehicles of the average man. Naturally it varies very greatly with the nature of the love. It may be dull, heavy, and deeply tinged with the brown of selfishness, if the so-called love occupies itself chiefly with the consideration of how much affection is received from somebody else, how much return it is getting for its investment. But if the love be of that kind that thinks never of itself at all, nor of what it receives, but only of how much it can give, and how entirely it can pour itself forth as a willing sacrifice for the sake of the loved one, then it will express itself in the most lovely rose-color; and when this rose-color is exceptionally brilliant and tinged with lilac, it proclaims the more spiritual love for humanity. The intermediate possibilities are countless; and the affection may of course be tinged in various other ways, as by pride or jealousy. 144.Orange. - This color is always significant of pride or ambition, and has almost as many variations as the last-mentioned, according to the nature of the pride or the ambition. It is not infrequently found in union with irritability. 145.Yellow. - This is a very good color, implying always the possession of intellectuality. Its shades vary, and it may be complicated by the admixture of various other hues. Generally speaking, it has a deeper and duller tint if the intellect is directed chiefly into lower channels, most especially if the objects are selfish; but it becomes brilliantly golden, and rises gradually to a beautiful clear and luminous lemon or primrose yellow, as it is addressed to higher and more unselfish objects. 146.Green. - No color has more varied signification than this, and it requires some study to interpret it correctly. Most of its manifestations indicate a kind of adaptability, at first evil and deceitful, but eventually good and sympathetic. 147.Grey-green, a
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
-- mjackson74@... wrote : The fact that Harris says this —but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe is more revealing than his assertion that he is against it. His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that obviously does not cover all Muslims. The religion of Islam has been hijacked by a minority of very violent and more importantly greedy power hungry people. Harris's belief that all the Islamic violence is based on religion is naive. I assure you the mullahs and imams who exhort the young people to become terrorists and suicide bombers do so in the main because it furthers their agenda to gain or maintain wealth and power. --- curtisdeltablues@... wrote : C: I can't remember if he addresses your point about the religious sincerity of the Mullahs. You may be right about that. But it is tangential to his point about the issues with religious beliefs. All countries act in their own self interest but the ideology of Islam was a game changer at that time. Their confidence in what happens after death was instrumental in allowing the guys who flew the planes into the twin towers to act that way. So although their ultimate motivation at the leadership level may be just as you say, the followers are being guided by an ideology that allows for women to hide bombs under burkas at military checkpoints and blow themselves up along with our solders at that time.It is s direct result of religious ideas about how life works including a reward system in the afterlife for such behavior. The other thing religion adds to the human tendency to power grab is to deflect criticism about the ideas they are spreading because it is shielded by the don't criticize religious ideas directly ban. Harris agrees with your analysis of the extremists but he places the blame on the moderates for shielding them behind the odd way we treat religious ideas. If they came out and said that this part of the Koran is wrong, or if Christians did this with the Bible we could have a discussion of ideas like we do with everything else in human knowledge. But both of these books are shielded from direct criticism by the idea that they are different from all other human produced literature containing ideas. There are scripture and God's hand was in their production. And the weird thing is that each religion only accepts their own god book as authoritative, not the other guy's. But they still protect the other guy's divine right of non criticism so that people wont challenge the absurd claim they are making about their own god book. Harris is against this collusion of ignorance. If you take out a section of the Bible that advocates slavery and say, this is stupid and wrong you will be accused of being religiously intolerant rather than just pointing out a stupid and wrong idea some man wrote. This is the battle Harris is picking, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's motivations. Karl Popper talks about the 'paradox of tolerance'. If we are tolerant towards everything including intolerance, then tolerance itself will be destroyed. Therefore, we should be tolerant only towards tolerance, and we should be intolerant towards intolerance. Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/messages/373838 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/373838
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since
you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around
as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at
it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about
what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders
are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused
under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted
to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime -
he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal
critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you
feel afterwards.
On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM
Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 1:05 P
Jesus Christ,
what a little piker you are. My God, if dropping names was a
means to enlightenment, you've arrived little
fella.
Between that, and your list
of Bourbons, you've got the spaced
covered.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mjackson74@... wrote :
You
are an idiot.
Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a
Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the
Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated
with the Soto school.
Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is
the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in
Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku). It
emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors,
or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream
of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without
interference.
On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@...
steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future
and the New TM Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral Projection and Auras
Also do a google on CW Leadbeater and find that he was kicked out of the Theosophical Society for being much to partial to teenage boys, caused a big rift in the Society as a result, came back afterwards with a bunch of made up bs about Maitreya that in later years another huckster Benjamin Creme would ripoff to form his own little personality cult. All these boys needed a gravy train you know. On Sat, 5/3/14, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral Projection and Auras To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 2:09 PM Back in 1902, the Theosophist Leadbeater wrote Man Visible and Invisible which covers the bases. Here's a link to the text on-line which includes lots of colour plates but also I've copied in his interpretations of the colours below. There are lots of groups offering courses in astral projection and/or lucid dreaming in the UK. Do a Google.http://www.anandgholap.net/Man_Visible_And_Invisible-CWL.htm 134.Anger, for example, is represented by scarlet, and love by crimson and rose; but both anger and love are often deeply tinged with selfishness, and just so far as that is the case will the purity of their respective colors be dimmed by the hard brown-grey which is so characteristic of this vice. Or again, either of them may be mingled with pride, and that would instantly show itself by a tinge of deep orange. Many examples of such commingling, and of the resultant shades of color, will be seen as we continue our investigation; but our first endeavor must be to learn to read the meaning of the simpler hues. We will give here a list of some of these which are most common.135.Black. - Thick black clouds in the astral body mark the presence of hatred and malice. When a person unhappily gives way to a fit of passionate anger, the terrible thought-forms of hate may generally be seen floating in his aura like coils of heavy, poisonous smoke.136.Red. - Deep-red flashes, usually on a black ground, show anger; and this will be more or less tinged with brown as there is more or less of direct selfishness in the type of anger. What is sometimes called “noble indignation” on behalf of someone oppressed or injured may express itself in flashes of brilliant scarlet on the ordinary background of the aura.137.Lurid, sanguinary red - a color which is quite unmistakable, though not easy to describe - indicates sensuality.138.Brown. - Dull brown-red, almost rust-color, means avarice; and it usually arranges itself in parallel bars across the astral body, giving a very curious appearance.139.Dull, hard brown-grey signifies selfishness, and is unfortunately one of the very commonest colors in the astral body.140.Greenish-brown, lit up by deep red or scarlet flashes, denotes jealousy, and in the case of the ordinary man there is nearly always a good deal of this color present when he is what is called “in love”.141.Grey. - Heavy leaden grey expresses deep depression, and where this is habitual its appearance is sometimes indescribably gloomy and saddening. This color also has the curious characteristic of arranging itself in parallel lines, as has that of avarice, and both give the impression that their unfortunate victim is imprisoned within a kind of astral cage.142.Livid grey, a most hideous and frightful hue, betokens fear.143.Crimson. - This color is the manifestation of love, and is often the most beautiful feature in the vehicles of the average man. Naturally it varies very greatly with the nature of the love. It may be dull, heavy, and deeply tinged with the brown of selfishness, if the so-called love occupies itself chiefly with the consideration of how much affection is received from somebody else, how much return it is getting for its investment. But if the love be of that kind that thinks never of itself at all, nor of what it receives, but only of how much it can give, and how entirely it can pour itself forth as a willing sacrifice for the sake of the loved one, then it will express itself in the most lovely rose-color; and when this rose-color is exceptionally brilliant and tinged with lilac, it proclaims the more spiritual love for humanity. The intermediate possibilities are countless; and the affection may of course be tinged in various other ways, as by pride or jealousy.144.Orange. - This color is always significant of pride or ambition, and has almost as many variations as the last-mentioned, according to the nature of the pride or the ambition. It is not infrequently found in union with irritability.145.Yellow. - This is a very good color, implying always the possession of intellectuality. Its shades vary, and it may be complicated by the admixture of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
Curtis, you way overstate the case. In this country, at least, there's oodles of criticism of biblical ideas, including ideas at the heart of Christian belief. Ever heard of the Jesus Seminar? And a currently popular book, How Jesus Became God, maintains that the idea of Jesus as God developed very much after the fact, that it was never anything Jesus said about himself. Those are just two examples of many. And I doubt you're going to find a whole lot of people who advocate slavery because the Bible does. Sure, there's always pushback, but to suggest that it's enough to suppress all criticism and challenge is just not supported by the facts. The other thing religion adds to the human tendency to power grab is to deflect criticism about the ideas they are spreading because it is shielded by the don't criticize religious ideas directly ban. Harris agrees with your analysis of the extremists but he places the blame on the moderates for shielding them behind the odd way we treat religious ideas. If they came out and said that this part of the Koran is wrong, or if Christians did this with the Bible we could have a discussion of ideas like we do with everything else in human knowledge. But both of these books are shielded from direct criticism by the idea that they are different from all other human produced literature containing ideas. There are scripture and God's hand was in their production. And the weird thing is that each religion only accepts their own god book as authoritative, not the other guy's. But they still protect the other guy's divine right of non criticism so that people wont challenge the absurd claim they are making about their own god book. Harris is against this collusion of ignorance. If you take out a section of the Bible that advocates slavery and say, this is stupid and wrong you will be accused of being religiously intolerant rather than just pointing out a stupid and wrong idea some man wrote. This is the battle Harris is picking, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's motivations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Curtis, you way overstate the case. In this country, at least, there's oodles of criticism of biblical ideas, including ideas at the heart of Christian belief. Ever heard of the Jesus Seminar? And a currently popular book, How Jesus Became God, maintains that the idea of Jesus as God developed very much after the fact, that it was never anything Jesus said about himself. Those are just two examples of many. And I doubt you're going to find a whole lot of people who advocate slavery because the Bible does. Sure, there's always pushback, but to suggest that it's enough to suppress all criticism and challenge is just not supported by the facts. C: Your POV seems just as valid. It also marks out the difference in a society between our liberal democracy with the dominant religion being a more modern reformed one compared to Islamic dominant societies. So point taken. There is plenty of direct criticism about things in the Bible in our country. But this is not the point of critique Harris is launching. Religious ideas and scripture are still held as a special class of human knowledge no matter where you fall on the spectrum between your point and mine. In no other area is the idea of a hands off criticizing the ideas directly tied to a concept of religious tolerance. Lets take racism directly. If you say anything racist , even if you tie it to the Bible you get condemned by the majority of society. But if you attack the Bible as being a man made piece of literature full of outdated nonsense the same society will attack you for being intolerant of religion and a bigot. Watching how society has reacted to atheists through time illustrates my point. So these ideas are still held in a protected class of ideas where full open discussion is not only discouraged, it is shamed as being similar to racism. (It happens to atheists all the time.) Now we may not find a lot of people who advocate slavery because the Bible does but how many people want to deny gay rights because of the Bible? So I am not disagreeing with your objection as wrong, It is just not how I am seeing it as we both value the propositions of truth as we see it in each others statements. The other thing religion adds to the human tendency to power grab is to deflect criticism about the ideas they are spreading because it is shielded by the don't criticize religious ideas directly ban. Harris agrees with your analysis of the extremists but he places the blame on the moderates for shielding them behind the odd way we treat religious ideas. If they came out and said that this part of the Koran is wrong, or if Christians did this with the Bible we could have a discussion of ideas like we do with everything else in human knowledge. But both of these books are shielded from direct criticism by the idea that they are different from all other human produced literature containing ideas. There are scripture and God's hand was in their production. And the weird thing is that each religion only accepts their own god book as authoritative, not the other guy's. But they still protect the other guy's divine right of non criticism so that people wont challenge the absurd claim they are making about their own god book. Harris is against this collusion of ignorance. If you take out a section of the Bible that advocates slavery and say, this is stupid and wrong you will be accused of being religiously intolerant rather than just pointing out a stupid and wrong idea some man wrote. This is the battle Harris is picking, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's motivations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
That was excellent, thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : -- mjackson74@... wrote : The fact that Harris says this —but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe is more revealing than his assertion that he is against it. His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that obviously does not cover all Muslims. The religion of Islam has been hijacked by a minority of very violent and more importantly greedy power hungry people. Harris's belief that all the Islamic violence is based on religion is naive. I assure you the mullahs and imams who exhort the young people to become terrorists and suicide bombers do so in the main because it furthers their agenda to gain or maintain wealth and power. --- curtisdeltablues@... wrote : C: I can't remember if he addresses your point about the religious sincerity of the Mullahs. You may be right about that. But it is tangential to his point about the issues with religious beliefs. All countries act in their own self interest but the ideology of Islam was a game changer at that time. Their confidence in what happens after death was instrumental in allowing the guys who flew the planes into the twin towers to act that way. So although their ultimate motivation at the leadership level may be just as you say, the followers are being guided by an ideology that allows for women to hide bombs under burkas at military checkpoints and blow themselves up along with our solders at that time.It is s direct result of religious ideas about how life works including a reward system in the afterlife for such behavior. The other thing religion adds to the human tendency to power grab is to deflect criticism about the ideas they are spreading because it is shielded by the don't criticize religious ideas directly ban. Harris agrees with your analysis of the extremists but he places the blame on the moderates for shielding them behind the odd way we treat religious ideas. If they came out and said that this part of the Koran is wrong, or if Christians did this with the Bible we could have a discussion of ideas like we do with everything else in human knowledge. But both of these books are shielded from direct criticism by the idea that they are different from all other human produced literature containing ideas. There are scripture and God's hand was in their production. And the weird thing is that each religion only accepts their own god book as authoritative, not the other guy's. But they still protect the other guy's divine right of non criticism so that people wont challenge the absurd claim they are making about their own god book. Harris is against this collusion of ignorance. If you take out a section of the Bible that advocates slavery and say, this is stupid and wrong you will be accused of being religiously intolerant rather than just pointing out a stupid and wrong idea some man wrote. This is the battle Harris is picking, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's motivations. Karl Popper talks about the 'paradox of tolerance'. If we are tolerant towards everything including intolerance, then tolerance itself will be destroyed. Therefore, we should be tolerant only towards tolerance, and we should be intolerant towards intolerance. Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/ conversations/messages/373838 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/373838
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
On 5/2/2014 11:33 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Who says I maintain attention on the mantra? When you sit down to meditate, you consciously begin the mantra; when you realize that you're not thinking the mantra, you begin it again. So, there must be /*some*/ maintenance going on, otherwise you would not remember to think the mantra again. Remembering to maintain attention attention on a thought is NOT effortlessly thinking a thought. Remembering to think the mantra is just like any other thought you remember. So, remembering to think the mantra is not 100% effortless. It takes some effort, no matter how slight, to think a specific thought. But, I agree that the TM teaching modality of effortlessness is better than */concentrating/* on a mantra or breathing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 2:01 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I disagree that TM is mindfullness, and I disagree because of Marshy's intent and belief. Mindfulness is the practice of awareness, a factor on the path to enlightenment. Mindfulness practice is inherited from the */Buddhist tradition/*. Buddhism makes use of mantras, so by your logic mindfullness is not meditation? Go figure. This sounds almost exactly like TM: When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness, faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind wanders away from it. - B. Allen Wallace http://www.mindandlife.org/dialogues/past-conferences/ml18/ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: One last set of thoughts for Curtis
Actually, this distinction is pretty elementary with regard to neuroscientific studies; it really isn't something that has just never occurred to the researchers. Libet's studies, for example, looked directly at the apparent time lag between decisions made on the unconscious level and when they came to the subjects' conscious awareness. That's what his research was designed to measure. And aside from the fact that there are umpty examples of actions taken consciously to alter unconscious processes, determinism per se would simply assume the decision to engage in those actions was itself determined. IOW, that one takes such actions in no way validates free will as far as determinists are concerned. (BTW, determinism is a metaphysical idea, not a scientific one. It can't be tested or measured. The emerging scientific notion is that free will is an illusion created by the brain; has nothing to do with fate or God's will.) I think that the neuroscientists might be confusing the distinction between *conscious* decision-making and *unconscious* decision-making when trying to prove their contention that we have no free will. *Both* forms of decision-making are present at all times.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
On 5/2/2014 11:48 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: I came up with a different way of putting it recently: The TM class is a 4-day long koan, that is hopefully going to clarify the nonsensical phrase think a mantra effortlessly This reminds me of my attempt at sutra authoring: /*1.3 jus b reg 2 x y med, ne alt sans 3 guns, seps abs, n' eyes-wide shut; nodoze, no bear down, u enjoy.*/ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
On 5/3/2014 12:18 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: There's no need to advocate our going nuclear against any small country, ever. Even if they had nuclear weapons and their religion specified they use them to destroy Western civilization? How is that smart diplomacy working out? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: One last set of thoughts for Curtis
Judy at her best, all great distinctions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Actually, this distinction is pretty elementary with regard to neuroscientific studies; it really isn't something that has just never occurred to the researchers. Libet's studies, for example, looked directly at the apparent time lag between decisions made on the unconscious level and when they came to the subjects' conscious awareness. That's what his research was designed to measure. And aside from the fact that there are umpty examples of actions taken consciously to alter unconscious processes, determinism per se would simply assume the decision to engage in those actions was itself determined. IOW, that one takes such actions in no way validates free will as far as determinists are concerned. (BTW, determinism is a metaphysical idea, not a scientific one. It can't be tested or measured. The emerging scientific notion is that free will is an illusion created by the brain; has nothing to do with fate or God's will.) I think that the neuroscientists might be confusing the distinction between *conscious* decision-making and *unconscious* decision-making when trying to prove their contention that we have no free will. *Both* forms of decision-making are present at all times.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis
On 5/3/2014 2:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: supposed neurological studies about whether we have free will link with that phenomenon in my mind. Are there any neurological studies about whether we have free will or not? It seems more like a problem for philosophy or theology. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: One last set of thoughts for Curtis
Barry, Your post is on point for a few reasons. One, I am crazy about proprioceptive exercises. My living room looks like a training camp for Cirque! Plus I have had to spend some time in assisted living facilities for personal and professional reasons lately so this is an up topic for me. I am still sorting out what the positions are with regard to free will so this is my best guess. I believe you are continuing to make the intuitive case FOR free will. This is exactly why we believe in free will. We are obviously able to influence our unconscious processes through such things as exercises and this will influence our future positively. It all makes perfect sense until we look at what actually happens in the lives of the elderly. First, other than a suicidal person (and there are some in these homes but not many) there is no reason for an older person to FREELY CHOOSE to fall down and hurt themselves. Second, It seems logical that if this exercise could help them choose not to fall, they would all be doing them. Last, they don't! I have been preaching this message to my Dad for years and he buys into it even. His physical therapist preaches this message to every person in his facility. But if you talk with any therapist in a facility you will uncover their frustration that they cannot get the residents to do their exercises once they are out of his or her sight. Everyone believes this is a good idea and if the elderly could truly freely choose they would. But they cannot because their choices are not free. They are determined by a lifetime of not exercising this way. (This is a cautionary time to automate this activity now before auto pilot removes this choice.) But check this out. I can only act this way myself because of a habit I formed long ago. I am not freely choosing this behavior to affect myself in the future, it is just the luck of the draw that I happened to be a skier and got a bolo board as a kid and then happened to continue to buy them as I got older. I never fell off one and hurt myself which might have derailed my owning one now. So all those events conspired to make it mandatory for me to act the way I do. So can I claim free will, really? What is different between me and everyone else who would benefit from this exercise? The influences from my past which I am not choosing to abide by in the present, they compel me. Have a great time in Amsterdam where your free choices will be challenged by a cornucopia of delights. Can we predict which ones you will freely choose? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'm going to be in Amsterdam today and thus not following FFL, but I thought I'd use my free will :-) to throw out one last set of thoughts that your writings on the free will issue have triggered in me. Probably because I just finished writing a short article about proprioception, in my mind many of these supposed neurological studies about whether we have free will link with that phenomenon in my mind. I think that the neuroscientists might be confusing the distinction between *conscious* decision-making and *unconscious* decision-making when trying to prove their contention that we have no free will. *Both* forms of decision-making are present at all times. It has been estimated that fewer than 1% of the mind-body processes that keep us alive ever register as conscious thoughts in the human mind. You don't have to consciously try to breathe, or to keep your heart beating. Similarly, in most cases you don't consciously have to try to keep your balance, because your proprioceptive system (in conjunction with the vestibular system and the visual system) enable you to do so without your conscious mind having to get involved. Specialized proprioceptor nerve cells transmit and receive signals to and from the cerebellum, reacting to changing stimuli (like Am I walking on a slippery surface?) from the muscles, tendons, joints, and skin. The cerebellum processes the incoming information -- literally millions of such impulses per hour -- and calculates how the muscles should react to the changing stimuli, and with how much force to (for example) keep your balance. Interestingly, however, just as cognitive functions start to deteriorate with age, so does your proprioceptive system. This is the reason why the number one cause of hospital admissions in the elderly is falls. Their proprioceptive system starts to fail, and thus they can no longer keep their balance any more, and they fall and injure themselves. This is where the free will rap comes into the picture for me. The proprioceptive system doesn't *have* to fail as you age. Doctors have found that if they can urge the aging person to perform a couple of minutes of balancing exercises per day, they can both keep their balance from failing, and bring it back if it had already begun to fail. Just intentionally walking on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
I am happy that you have found a technique that works for you. Thanks for explaining something about it. But I see that you have not lost your ability to tie any comment to your usual tirade against MMY, TMO, Bevan Morris etc. I guess the Shikantaza form of meditation hasn't done much to mitigate the adverse effects that seem to have accumulated from your time with TMO. Keep at it, and maybe you will have a breakthrough. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you feel afterwards. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 1:05 P Jesus Christ, what a little piker you are. My God, if dropping names was a means to enlightenment, you've arrived little fella. Between that, and your list of Bourbons, you've got the spaced covered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are an idiot. Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated with the Soto school. Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku). It emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors, or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without interference. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
On 5/3/2014 5:10 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: he was a liar and a con artist whether you like it or not Well, it's settled then. */Rick - don't even bother to shut it down./* The discussion is over and finished. The Kung Fu fighter has spoken. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you feel afterwards. I still say if you have hundreds of thousands of people doing something there are bound to be those who end up murdering people, dying, committing or attempting to commit suicide, winning the lottery or publishing a book. It has to do with statistics and probability. To try and pin mental illness or psychiatric breakdown primarily on the fact that someone rounded or started TM is a bit iffy. I've talked about this before with regard to those who go overboard on something. Do they go overboard (join Mother Divine, round non-stop for 6 months etc.) because they are obsessive or unbalanced to begin with or do they become unbalanced because they do too much of one thing? I am pretty sure if someone were to practice little old TM twice a day for 20 mins and ended up going stark ravers, they were bonkers to begin with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Astral Projection and Auras
On 5/3/2014 5:13 AM, John Carter wrote: Things have taken off since then, but I haven't, I cannot get out of this decrepit body and perform an Astral Projection! I have read many books – analysed Monroe, Rogo, Taylor and others, but still stay firmly on Terra Firma. Dear John - You can probably get most of the information you need about this subject by reading the threads about human levitation events witnessed by thousands of Rama followers. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I still think you're painting with too broad a brush when you use the term society. Some elements of society take the position you describe, but others do not. And the negative reaction to criticism from atheists has a great deal to do with its hostility quotient. Simple disagreement doesn't tend to provoke the same response as And you're stupid to believe this. Plus which, some of the most vocal atheists these days are also often quite ignorant about what religious belief entails. Not making the effort to acquaint oneself with what one is criticizing is perceived to be a function of intolerance, and rightly so, IMHO. Rather than facilitating full open discussion, it tends to slam the door on it. Those who most prominently speak for atheism need to get their act together, as far as I'm concerned (and speaking as a nonreligionist). Curtis, you way overstate the case. In this country, at least, there's oodles of criticism of biblical ideas, including ideas at the heart of Christian belief. Ever heard of the Jesus Seminar? And a currently popular book, How Jesus Became God, maintains that the idea of Jesus as God developed very much after the fact, that it was never anything Jesus said about himself. Those are just two examples of many. And I doubt you're going to find a whole lot of people who advocate slavery because the Bible does. Sure, there's always pushback, but to suggest that it's enough to suppress all criticism and challenge is just not supported by the facts. C: Your POV seems just as valid. It also marks out the difference in a society between our liberal democracy with the dominant religion being a more modern reformed one compared to Islamic dominant societies. So point taken. There is plenty of direct criticism about things in the Bible in our country. But this is not the point of critique Harris is launching. Religious ideas and scripture are still held as a special class of human knowledge no matter where you fall on the spectrum between your point and mine. In no other area is the idea of a hands off criticizing the ideas directly tied to a concept of religious tolerance. Lets take racism directly. If you say anything racist , even if you tie it to the Bible you get condemned by the majority of society. But if you attack the Bible as being a man made piece of literature full of outdated nonsense the same society will attack you for being intolerant of religion and a bigot. Watching how society has reacted to atheists through time illustrates my point. So these ideas are still held in a protected class of ideas where full open discussion is not only discouraged, it is shamed as being similar to racism. (It happens to atheists all the time.) Now we may not find a lot of people who advocate slavery because the Bible does but how many people want to deny gay rights because of the Bible? So I am not disagreeing with your objection as wrong, It is just not how I am seeing it as we both value the propositions of truth as we see it in each others statements. The other thing religion adds to the human tendency to power grab is to deflect criticism about the ideas they are spreading because it is shielded by the don't criticize religious ideas directly ban. Harris agrees with your analysis of the extremists but he places the blame on the moderates for shielding them behind the odd way we treat religious ideas. If they came out and said that this part of the Koran is wrong, or if Christians did this with the Bible we could have a discussion of ideas like we do with everything else in human knowledge. But both of these books are shielded from direct criticism by the idea that they are different from all other human produced literature containing ideas. There are scripture and God's hand was in their production. And the weird thing is that each religion only accepts their own god book as authoritative, not the other guy's. But they still protect the other guy's divine right of non criticism so that people wont challenge the absurd claim they are making about their own god book. Harris is against this collusion of ignorance. If you take out a section of the Bible that advocates slavery and say, this is stupid and wrong you will be accused of being religiously intolerant rather than just pointing out a stupid and wrong idea some man wrote. This is the battle Harris is picking, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's motivations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
On 5/3/2014 5:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that obviously does not cover all Muslims. The religion of Islam has been hijacked by a minority of very violent and more importantly greedy power hungry people. Harris's belief that all the Islamic violence is based on religion is naive. I assure you the mullahs and imams who exhort the young people to become terrorists and suicide bombers do so in the main because it furthers their agenda to gain or maintain wealth and power. Apparently the vast majority of Muslims do not believe in democracy or an open society. According to Harris, Islam is the only religion that makes innocent civilians specific targets for mass killing. It's not about money or power, it's all about faith in the Islamic scriptures and Allah. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
Not to mention, we have no idea what the relative percentages are of TMers who commit suicide versus those in the general population. For all we know, the percentage of TMers could be smaller. Certainly suicidal TMers tend to draw more attention because it's so contrary to what TM promises. But does that mistakenly foster the idea that there are more of them than in the general population? Also, as Ann suggests, it would be important to look closely at TMers who end up in a bad way (or dead) to see whether they were headed in that direction before ever starting TM. There are just too many unknowns to suggest that TM practice in and of itself is the cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you feel afterwards. I still say if you have hundreds of thousands of people doing something there are bound to be those who end up murdering people, dying, committing or attempting to commit suicide, winning the lottery or publishing a book. It has to do with statistics and probability. To try and pin mental illness or psychiatric breakdown primarily on the fact that someone rounded or started TM is a bit iffy. I've talked about this before with regard to those who go overboard on something. Do they go overboard (join Mother Divine, round non-stop for 6 months etc.) because they are obsessive or unbalanced to begin with or do they become unbalanced because they do too much of one thing? I am pretty sure if someone were to practice little old TM twice a day for 20 mins and ended up going stark ravers, they were bonkers to begin with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
On 5/3/2014 5:25 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: You are an idiot. Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated with the Soto school. The term Shikentaza means zazen - which is sitting meditation. In Zen Buddhism, zazen (literally seated meditation...is a meditative discipline practitioners perform to calm the body and the mind... in order to experience insight into the nature of existence and thereby gain enlightenment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
On 5/3/2014 8:32 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: Unless Harris has started to refer to himself in the 3rd person (he has not) this is a misleading attribution. Nothing here is from his book, you are quoting people who are misrepresenting his ideas. You are the reference guy Richard, come on man keep it tight. Early in the book, Hedges quotes a statement from Harris's The End of Faith advocating a nuclear first strike as arguably the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe in the event of an Islamist regime such as Iran acquiring nuclear weapons capability. 65 Hedges, Chris (2008). When Atheism Becomes Religion, Free Press, p. 36 66 Harris, Sam (2004). The End of Faith, p. 129 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_%28author%29 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis
Richard, I think free will is one of those areas of human existence that benefits very much not only from philosophical input but also that of science, in particular neuroscience. You were saying something similar about meditation recently (-: On Saturday, May 3, 2014 10:24 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/3/2014 2:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: supposed neurological studies about whether we have free will link with that phenomenon in my mind. Are there any neurological studies about whether we have free will or not? It seems more like a problem for philosophy or theology. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
Maharishi: “All don't have to meditate. Just some small percentage in society will be enough.”[281] -1968-9 “This was borne out at the end of 1974 when it was found that in cities where the number of meditators had reached one percent the crime rate decreased significantly.” Conversations with Maharishi, Vol I. Vernon Katz, MUM Press 2001 “Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life, and evolution is the process by which it is fulfilled. Life begins in a natural way, it evolves, and happiness expands. The expansion of happiness carries with it the growth of intelligence, power, creativity and everything that may be said to be of significance in life.” -The Science of Being and Art of Living -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi [1963] = = = 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old problems of mankind in this generation.” Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars. In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates. By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the practice of Transcendental Meditation and were
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ending the Use of Dirty Fuels, Years of Living Dangerously...global warming
People spending more quiet time, spent in spiritual practice, is really the only antidote. We simply must break the materialism of the world now. !Picturing Armageddon! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27232523 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27232523 To really mediate this, we need much better public school education using and teaching all that is scientific towards a more invincible future. Like taking more quiet time employing effective transcending meditation into the educational design of our schools, employing quiet time meditation in to our workplaces, and taking meditation in to our homes and home-life. -Buck We need a revolution in the spiritual outlook of humanity right now. This is about public education. An Entrenched Materialism of our vast human race is the problem at core. The problem is fundamentally spiritual. We Must, End the Use of Dirty Fuels, Now. .. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27008352 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27008352 The problem is way too beyond just sustainability. We are talking survival. As a species. It is quite time for a change. Radical change. -Buck in the Dome The World Simply Must End the Use of Dirty Fuels, Rampant Materialism, Hyper-Industrial Production and the Over-consumption of the consumer economies of the world at too high a level by too many people to be sustainable is the problem. sharelong60 writes: What does the Syrian war, destruction of Indonesian parks and Texas have in common? The premiere of a new Showtime series, Years of Living Dangerously, unexpectedly on global warming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvhCnYvxQQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvhCnYvxQQ Its 1 hour. . Om Shant . .
[FairfieldLife] Russell Brand Talks About TM
In Los Angeles for the David Lynch Foundation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtjU1sGBLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFtjU1sGBLo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
In speaking of long term practice, I am not speaking of the 'CC' experience which really is rather early in the spiritual experience arc. The 'CC' experience is attested to by M and I have also heard it referred to in other language from Zen sources, sometimes even called pure consciousness in these sources, which include two verbal sources. At this point the contrast in experience between the inner mind and sensory experience is greatest. It's also easy to describe because of this contrast. I am basically talking about how it is all experienced, for it may be that diverse strategies while producing somewhat different EEG result in rather similar qualities of experience. For example, people who have narrowly escaped death have reported a period of intense silence afterward. That contrast of 'CC' goes away as the experience unified until there is essentially no difference between inner and outer, no division between a 'you' and the world. The 'you' for all practical purposes vanishes. I find it interesting that the latter 95% of the time of my practice up to this point was just TM, and yet it led to the classic Buddhist experience of 'no-self'. The first couple of years involved other things. Just how is pure consciousness a 'self'? It has no qualities except the experience of existence, how can that be a self? I think the language is misleading. 'Self' is a great hook for those with fearful egos though, because that idea of what one is is the most tenacious thing the mind has to offer, it will attempt just about anything to avoid its banishment. If you want Brahman, you have to mark your ego for death, so it is a kind of suicide in a manner of speaking. It is a manner of speaking because this sense of self is really just a bundle of conditioning and memories that has the name 'me' plastered all over it. So in a way we could say spiritual progress depends on cremating the individual self, and even the CC self, burning them alive until as little as possible remains. At a certain point this will probably start to happen automatically, and if the desire to return to more comfortable days arises, you probably won't be able to claw your way back. This is not likely to happen until the CC experience is essentially gone. For some this is reportedly very difficult; others may have a really easy time of it [not the case for me]. It does not seem to be a variable based on technique, it just depends on how much and in what way your mind is conditioned, how comfortable or uncomfortable it will be. This really happens in the doorway into unity. As for effects on health etc., if you are looking for enlightenment, that is not really a big concern; if one is not looking for the truth of existence, then there is not much point in pursuing enlightenment. I like that Scientific American article. It appears that all the research done so far is really the first 50-year volley across the bow of the scientific community, and now that its inadequacies are evident, better research for the sake of research rather than for marketing a particular POV about life may come about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation --- ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Long term TM practice results in radically different EEG patterns than long-term mindfulness or focussed attention or meta practice. Some spiritual schools celebrate the functional disconnect that occurs between the regions of the brain thought to be responsible for sense-of-self and the rest of the brain. TM practice, in the beginning, tends to enhance the functioning of the self-centers of teh brain as shown by alpha1 (slow range of alpha) EEG coherence in the front of the brain, and this coherence soon starts to spread to the rest of teh brain. TM celebrates this increased functional connectivty as experience of pure consciousness, aka Self. Trying to reconcile the completely different EEG patterns on the level of words doesn't work, now that we can see just how different the results of the varous schools of meditation are in certain respects. Now, how this translates into real world applications is its own topic of research. TM has a small, but consistent effect on blood pressure, for example. The most recent AHRQ review of the effects of meditation on anxiety says that mindfulness has a small effect on anxiety but TM doesn't. But see my response to this Scientific American blog post: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-meditation-overrated/ L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : If my understanding about this is correct: With mantra yoga, what is minded is the mantra. With TM, the 'mindfulness' of the mantra as a focus is minimised by the technique which reduces greatly the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
you are wrong about that some aspects of the practice under certain
circumstances leads to mental and emotional instability. To say what you are
saying is to blame the victim - TM is not without side effects
On Sat, 5/3/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM
Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:30 PM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mjackson74@... wrote :
How
is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what
Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of
designer meditation - it has been around as part
of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking
pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't
care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster
Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and
how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS
caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted
suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more
are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born
and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very
vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences
sometime and see how you feel afterwards.
I still say if you have hundreds
of thousands of people doing something there are bound to be
those who end up murdering people, dying, committing or
attempting to commit suicide, winning the lottery or
publishing a book. It has to do with statistics and
probability. To try and pin mental illness or
psychiatric breakdown primarily on the fact that someone
rounded or started TM is a bit iffy. I've talked about
this before with regard to those who go overboard on
something. Do they go overboard (join Mother Divine, round
non-stop for 6 months etc.) because they are obsessive or
unbalanced to begin with or do they become unbalanced
because they do too much of one thing? I am pretty sure if
someone were to practice little old TM twice a day for 20
mins and ended up going stark ravers, they were bonkers to
begin with.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
not a tirade merely statement of facts - talk to Kyle like I suggest and see
whats what
On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM
Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:25 PM
I am happy
that you have found a technique that works for you. Thanks
for explaining something about it.
But I see that you have not lost your ability to
tie any comment to your usual tirade against MMY, TMO, Bevan
Morris etc.
I guess the Shikantaza form
of meditation hasn't done much to mitigate the adverse
effects that seem to have accumulated from your time with
TMO.
Keep at it, and maybe you
will have a breakthrough.
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote
:
How is this dropping
names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you
mocked it as being some kind of designer
meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist
practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at
it just because I like it and you don't care for me
since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was,
what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much
damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused
under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted
suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more
are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born
and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very
vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences
sometime and see how you feel afterwards.
On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@...
steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future
and the New TM Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 1:05 P
Jesus Christ,
what a little piker you are. My God, if dropping names was
a
means to enlightenment, you've arrived little
fella.
Between that, and your list
of Bourbons, you've got the spaced
covered.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mjackson74@... wrote :
You
are an idiot.
Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a
Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of
the
Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is
associated
with the Soto school.
Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?)
is
the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in
Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku).
It
emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects,
anchors,
or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the
stream
of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without
interference.
On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@...
steve.sundur@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future
and the New TM Movement:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
and 60 years from the inception of TM, how is the world today? Miserable. Go figger as RIchy likes to say On Sat, 5/3/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 5:45 PM Maharishi: “All don't have to meditate. Just some small percentage in society will be enough.”[281] -1968-9 “This was borne out at the end of 1974 when it was found that in cities where the number of meditators had reached one percent the crime rate decreased significantly.”Conversations with Maharishi, Vol I. Vernon Katz, MUM Press 2001 “Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life, and evolution is the process by which it is fulfilled. Life begins in a natural way, it evolves, and happiness expands. The expansion of happiness carries with it the growth of intelligence, power, creativity and everything that may be said to be of significance in life.” -The Science of Being and Art of Living -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi [1963] = = = 12 January 1977 Creating an Ideal Society: . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole. The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME]. Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in systems. “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells comprising the rest of the embryo.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi. As early as, “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique.” Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., West Germany, MERU Press, 1976 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old problems of mankind in this generation.” Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation
[FairfieldLife] Tummo Technique
This is how to warm your body with chi for those who are living in the cold areas of the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cICNvJm6S4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cICNvJm6S4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
Michael, why don't you post it. I mean, really, I'm a little burned out having read many of the smoking gun stories that you are certain prove the point of how bad is the TMO. My God, the latest expose of the mold in the vent at MUM didn't quite have the bang you might have expected. And then there was the courageous student challenging the teacher about a study. Turns out there were a few pertinent facts left out which may have bolstered or weakened the story. Did you hear that? Bolstered or weakened the story. But carry on oh Christian Soldier! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : not a tirade merely statement of facts - talk to Kyle like I suggest and see whats what On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:25 PM I am happy that you have found a technique that works for you. Thanks for explaining something about it. But I see that you have not lost your ability to tie any comment to your usual tirade against MMY, TMO, Bevan Morris etc. I guess the Shikantaza form of meditation hasn't done much to mitigate the adverse effects that seem to have accumulated from your time with TMO. Keep at it, and maybe you will have a breakthrough. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you feel afterwards. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 1:05 P Jesus Christ, what a little piker you are. My God, if dropping names was a means to enlightenment, you've arrived little fella. Between that, and your list of Bourbons, you've got the spaced covered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are an idiot. Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated with the Soto school. Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku). It emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors, or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without interference. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
Is this the same as heads I win, tails you lose I mean, many of your arguments are fashioned that way I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are wrong about that some aspects of the practice under certain circumstances leads to mental and emotional instability. To say what you are saying is to blame the victim - TM is not without side effects On Sat, 5/3/14, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:30 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you feel afterwards. I still say if you have hundreds of thousands of people doing something there are bound to be those who end up murdering people, dying, committing or attempting to commit suicide, winning the lottery or publishing a book. It has to do with statistics and probability. To try and pin mental illness or psychiatric breakdown primarily on the fact that someone rounded or started TM is a bit iffy. I've talked about this before with regard to those who go overboard on something. Do they go overboard (join Mother Divine, round non-stop for 6 months etc.) because they are obsessive or unbalanced to begin with or do they become unbalanced because they do too much of one thing? I am pretty sure if someone were to practice little old TM twice a day for 20 mins and ended up going stark ravers, they were bonkers to begin with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
Who says I always end up thinking the mantra a second time? Sometimes I realize that 20 minutes have gone by lost in thought, and that's the end of my meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 11:33 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Who says I maintain attention on the mantra? When you sit down to meditate, you consciously begin the mantra; when you realize that you're not thinking the mantra, you begin it again. So, there must be some maintenance going on, otherwise you would not remember to think the mantra again. Remembering to maintain attention attention on a thought is NOT effortlessly thinking a thought. Remembering to think the mantra is just like any other thought you remember. So, remembering to think the mantra is not 100% effortless. It takes some effort, no matter how slight, to think a specific thought. But, I agree that the TM teaching modality of effortlessness is better than concentrating on a mantra or breathing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 5/2/2014 2:01 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I disagree that TM is mindfullness, and I disagree because of Marshy's intent and belief. Mindfulness is the practice of awareness, a factor on the path to enlightenment. Mindfulness practice is inherited from the Buddhist tradition. Buddhism makes use of mantras, so by your logic mindfullness is not meditation? Go figure. This sounds almost exactly like TM: When practicing mindfulness, for instance by watching the breath, one must remember to maintain attention on the chosen object of awareness, faithfully returning back to refocus on that object whenever the mind wanders away from it. - B. Allen Wallace http://www.mindandlife.org/dialogues/past-conferences/ml18/ http://www.mindandlife.org/dialogues/past-conferences/ml18/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis
On 5/3/2014 2:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I'm going to be in Amsterdam today You're going to Amsterdam with a visiting lady friend instead of dialoging with Curtis in DC? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
On 5/3/2014 4:45 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Who says I always end up thinking the mantra a second time? Sometimes I realize that 20 minutes have gone by lost in thought, and that's the end of my meditation. Not being a teacher of TM but just a common /practitioner/, I think you have to remember to begin the mantra at least once during a meditation. Otherwise you'd just be doing a gross, belly flop and making a splash all over the place. This happened to me one time - I sat down to meditate and forgot to start my mantra - then about 20 minutes later I woke up and discovered that I had been merely taking a nap. It wasn't unpleasant and I can't remember what I was doing all that time, but it got me to thinking. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
On 5/3/2014 3:18 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are wrong about that some aspects of the practice under certain circumstances leads to mental and emotional instability. To say what you are saying is to blame the victim - TM is not without side effects Maybe you could explain to us how sitting down with your eyes closed for a few minutes and thinking something over would have a side effect. What, exactly would happen to the average person who would be thinking up a nonsense syllable, just like any other thought? Thanks for any help you can give me. Some random thoughts on meditation: It has already been established by John Knapp over on the Trance-nut web site that TM is nothing more than simply napping (no pundit intended) for the large majority of people. I've never heard of anyone complaining about taking a short nap, unless to say it wasn't long enough. Go figure. On the other hand, concentrated thinking on a complicated problem has been shown to produce a psycho-physical side effect known in medical and clinical studies as acute, severe headache. This has been demonstrated in scientific blind-studies, published in peer-reviewed, learned journals and on the internet. It's complicated. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
Notice that phrase a second time. Implicit in that is thinking the mantra at least once. And you don't have to remember to think the mantra at least once. Thinking the mantra can be spontaneous, even from the very start. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/3/2014 4:45 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Who says I always end up thinking the mantra a second time? Sometimes I realize that 20 minutes have gone by lost in thought, and that's the end of my meditation. Not being a teacher of TM but just a common practitioner, I think you have to remember to begin the mantra at least once during a meditation. Otherwise you'd just be doing a gross, belly flop and making a splash all over the place. This happened to me one time - I sat down to meditate and forgot to start my mantra - then about 20 minutes later I woke up and discovered that I had been merely taking a nap. It wasn't unpleasant and I can't remember what I was doing all that time, but it got me to thinking. Go figure. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Ending the Use of Dirty Fuels, Years of Living Dangerously...global warming
At home, in the workplace, at school. Meditating A third of a day everyday for everyone now. The world would be so much a better place for everyone in so many ways if people everywhere would just stop to take quiet time meditation. People spending more quiet time, spent in effective spiritual practice, is really the only antidote. We simply must break the materialism of the world now. -Buck in the Dome !Picturing Armageddon! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27232523 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27232523 To really mediate this, we need much better public school education using and teaching all that is scientific towards a more invincible future. Like taking more quiet time employing effective transcending meditation into the educational design of our schools, employing quiet time meditation in to our workplaces, and taking meditation in to our homes and home-life. -Buck We need a revolution in the spiritual outlook of humanity right now. This is about public education. An Entrenched Materialism of our vast human race is the problem at core. The problem is fundamentally spiritual. We Must, End the Use of Dirty Fuels, Now. .. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27008352 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27008352 The problem is way too beyond just sustainability. We are talking survival. As a species. It is quite time for a change. Radical change. -Buck in the Dome The World Simply Must End the Use of Dirty Fuels, Rampant Materialism, Hyper-Industrial Production and the Over-consumption of the consumer economies of the world at too high a level by too many people to be sustainable is the problem. sharelong60 writes: What does the Syrian war, destruction of Indonesian parks and Texas have in common? The premiere of a new Showtime series, Years of Living Dangerously, unexpectedly on global warming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvhCnYvxQQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvhCnYvxQQ Its 1 hour. . Om Shant . .
[FairfieldLife] American Buddhists celebrate no self
Former TMers enjoy claiming that TM has the same effects as all other practices, but anyone who looks at the EEG signature of various practices instantly realizes that such people are either speaking from ignorance (willful or otherwise) or deliberately lying. Here's a discussion of no-self and American Buddhism in the context of a course on Buddhist philosophy and how it fits in with the research on Buddhist meditation (mindfulness, though focussed attention practices such as Benson's Relaxation Response, Samatha and Metta, all have teh same overall effect): http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2014/05/buddhism-and-modern-psychology-week-five-looking-at-meditation.html http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2014/05/buddhism-and-modern-psychology-week-five-looking-at-meditation.html Now that we’ve seen it suggested that the modular theory of the mind dovetails with the Buddhist theory of not-self, we look at how meditation might fit in to our picture. The first way this is discussed comes by looking at the Default Mode Network, which is the part of the brain that is active when our mind isn’t focused on anything. Brain scans have shown that meditation quiets this network. The activation of the Default Mode Network (DMN) becomes greater during TM. Coincidentally, activation of teh DMN is associated with sense of self, so the fact practice of meditation techniques that quiet the DMN also quiet sense of self is, well, a no-brainer. Likewise, the fact that TM, a mind-wandering practice, enhances teh activity of the DMN (including strengthening the activity of the brain associated with sense of self) is a no surprising, either. People who insist that all meditation practices eventually lead to the same place are fooling themselves. Mindfulness and concentrative practices, in the long run, distort the functioning of the Default Mode Network. Maharishi called this subtle damage to the nervous system. TM enhances the normal restful functioning of the brain, aka the Default Mode Network, which becomes active whenever the mind is allowed to wander. There's no reconciling the two approaches to spirituality.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
On 5/3/2014 3:21 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: and 60 years from the inception of TM, how is the world today? If you had been doing TM for all these years things might have turned out better. Miserable. Maybe for you Go figger as RIchy likes to say Now look what you've done! Thanks a lot, Pal. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
On 5/3/2014 6:25 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Notice that phrase a second time. Implicit in that is thinking the mantra at least once. And you don't have to remember to think the mantra at least once. Thinking the mantra can be spontaneous, even from the very start. You have to remember to sit down and meditate. For me this is quite a challenge in the first place, since I'm so busy these days posting and dialoging on FFL 24 x 7 about TM and the mechanics of consciousness, levitation and stuff. But, one time when I was waiting in the car for Rita, I thought of my mantra and so I closed my eyes for a minute of two and it was very restful. It probably was just like what happened to the Buddha sitting under a tree that night, except I was on the corner of rush-hour traffic on a sunny afternoon in downtown Dallas. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:
On 5/3/2014 4:22 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: or another way of looking at it, is, how is your world today? miserable? Barry, when he gets back from Amsterdam, will probably scoff at this, because his life is wonderful and fulfilling - and he does not ascribe to the First of the Buddha's Four Noble Truths - the truth of suffering. Apparently MJ is of the Buddhist persuasion, thinking that the world is marked by misery all around, in never ending cycles of samsara, brought about by karma. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and 60 years from the inception of TM, how is the world today? Miserable. Go figger as RIchy likes to say --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
On 5/3/2014 4:24 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: And then there was the courageous student challenging the teacher about a study. Turns out there were a few pertinent facts left out which may have bolstered or weakened the story. This reminds me of the story Barry often tells, about the guy on TMO ATC that climbed over the wall to get some ice cream one evening and was taken to task by the yoga camp leader. It turns out that */ice cream-craving/* is one of the side effects of long rounding. If I ever attend an ATC I will insist on being served Promise Land Dairy warm milk before going to bed every night. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harris is a practicing transcending MEDITATOR afterall
I agree that remembering to sit down to meditate can be a challenge, but I have spontaneously slipped into TM many times over the years simply by closing my eyes while sitting. Fortunately, teh way our nervous system is set up, you don't continue in such a spontaneous meditation for long unless you are in a situation where there is no demand on your time in the first place. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/3/2014 6:25 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote: Notice that phrase a second time. Implicit in that is thinking the mantra at least once. And you don't have to remember to think the mantra at least once. Thinking the mantra can be spontaneous, even from the very start. You have to remember to sit down and meditate. For me this is quite a challenge in the first place, since I'm so busy these days posting and dialoging on FFL 24 x 7 about TM and the mechanics of consciousness, levitation and stuff. But, one time when I was waiting in the car for Rita, I thought of my mantra and so I closed my eyes for a minute of two and it was very restful. It probably was just like what happened to the Buddha sitting under a tree that night, except I was on the corner of rush-hour traffic on a sunny afternoon in downtown Dallas. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
On 5/3/2014 4:25 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this the same as heads I win, tails you lose I mean, many of your arguments are fashioned that way I think. This may have some partial truth to it, because anyone can tell that MJ has some mental and emotional instability problems. The question though, is did he have these problems before he started TM or as a result of rounding, or as a result of his upbringing. Go figure. Another question is, why don't the people at MUM screen people for these kinds of problems? Everyone knows that the mental condition and attitude of the cook at a yoga camp has a direct effect on the well being of the camp participants. When you've got a cook with a negative attitude you are going to have some real serious problems. In one case, the bad food almost caused a revolt, according to my sources. It's bad enough to have to eat cafeteria food, but it's just an insult to get a sarcastic dish washer as well. Only the most advanced meditators are allowed to even get near the kitchen at a Zen Session. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are wrong about that some aspects of the practice under certain circumstances leads to mental and emotional instability. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Being There [1 Attachment]
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
use your common sense - if you don't like what I post, don't read it On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 9:24 PM Michael, why don't you post it. I mean, really, I'm a little burned out having read many of the smoking gun stories that you are certain prove the point of how bad is the TMO. My God, the latest expose of the mold in the vent at MUM didn't quite have the bang you might have expected. And then there was the courageous student challenging the teacher about a study. Turns out there were a few pertinent facts left out which may have bolstered or weakened the story. Did you hear that? Bolstered or weakened the story. But carry on oh Christian Soldier! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : not a tirade merely statement of facts - talk to Kyle like I suggest and see whats what On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:25 PM I am happy that you have found a technique that works for you. Thanks for explaining something about it. But I see that you have not lost your ability to tie any comment to your usual tirade against MMY, TMO, Bevan Morris etc. I guess the Shikantaza form of meditation hasn't done much to mitigate the adverse effects that seem to have accumulated from your time with TMO. Keep at it, and maybe you will have a breakthrough. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How is this dropping names? I was giving you info on what Shikantaza is since you mocked it as being some kind of designer meditation - it has been around as part of Buddhist practice for centuries. I think you are taking pot shots at it just because I like it and you don't care for me since I am honest about what a liar and huckster Marshy was, what a liar and huckster the TMO leaders are and how much damage TM, TMSP and TM mentality can cause and HAS caused under certain circumstances. The suicides, attempted suicides, people admitted to mental institutions and more are no joke. Talk to Kyle Cleveland sometime - he was born and raised in the Movement, is all over the Net as a very vocal critic of TM and Marshy. Ask him about his experiences sometime and see how you feel afterwards. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 1:05 P Jesus Christ, what a little piker you are. My God, if dropping names was a means to enlightenment, you've arrived little fella. Between that, and your list of Bourbons, you've got the spaced covered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are an idiot. Shikantaza (只管打坐?) is a Japanese translation of a Chinese term for zazen introduced by Rujing, a monk of the Caodong school of Zen Buddhism. In Japan, it is associated with the Soto school. Sōtō Zen or the Sōtō school (曹洞宗 Sōtō-shū?) is the largest of the three traditional sects of Zen in Japanese Buddhism (the others being Rinzai and Ōbaku). It emphasizes Shikantaza, meditation with no objects, anchors, or content. The meditator strives to be aware of the stream of thoughts, allowing them to arise and pass away without interference. On Sat, 5/3/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement: To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 3, 2014, 3:18 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: One last set of thoughts for Curtis
Based on ideas that began with the work of mathematicians Benoit Mandelbrot and John Conway, the physicist Stephen Wolfram has some interesting ideas on the nature of free will. Wolfram has been investigating simple computational systems that have very simple starting conditions and very simple rules which nonetheless result in extremely complicated results, as the rules are applied to the system iteratively ad infinitum. The results of these simple systems have been extraordinary order as well as what seems like total chaos. Here is what Wolfram, from his book A New Kind of Science says about free will: The Phenomenon of Free Will Ever since antiquity it has been a great mystery how the universe can follow definite laws while we as humans still often manage to make decisions about how to act in ways that seem quite free of obvious laws. But from the discoveries in this book it finally now seems possible to give an explanation for this. And the key, I believe, is the phenomenon of computational irreducibility. For what this phenomenon implies is that even though a system may follow definite underlying laws its overall behaviour can still have aspects that fundamentally cannot be described by reasonable laws. For if the evolution of a system corresponds to an irreducible computation then this means that the only way to work out how the system will behave is essentially to perform this computation--with the result that there can fundamentally be no laws that allow one to work out the behaviour more directly. And it is this, I believe, that is the ultimate origin of the apparent freedom of human will. For even though all the components of our brains presumably follow definite laws, I strongly suspect that their overall behaviour corresponds to an irreducible computation whose outcome can never in effect be found by reasonable laws. And indeed one can already see very much the same kind of thing going on in a simple system like the cellular automaton on the left [an example in the book not shown here]. For even though the underlying laws for this system are perfectly definite, its overall behaviour ends up being sufficiently complicated that many aspects of it seem to follow no obvious laws at all. And indeed if one were to talk about how the cellular automaton seems to behave one might well say that it just decides to do this or that--thereby effectively attributing to it some sort of free will. But can this possibly be reasonable? For if one looks at the individual cells in the cellular automaton one can plainly see that they just follow definite rules, with absolutely no freedom at all. But at some level the same is probably true of the individual nerve cells in our brains. Yet somehow as a whole our brains still manage to behave with a certain apparent freedom. Traditional science has made it very difficult to understand how this can possibly happen. For normally it has assumed that if one can only find the underlying rules for the components of a system then in a sense these tell one everything important about the system. But what we have seen over and over again in this book is that this is not even close to correct, and that in fact there can be vastly more to the behaviour of a system than one could ever foresee just by looking at its underlying rules. And fundamentally this is a consequence of the phenomenon of computational irreducibility. For if a system is computationally irreducible this means that there is in effect a tangible separation between the underlying rules for the system and its overall behaviour associated with the irreducible amount of computational work needed to go from one to the other. And it is in this separation, I believe, that the basic origin of the apparent freedom we see in all sorts of systems lies--whether those systems are abstract cellular automata or actual living brains. But so in the end what makes us think that there is freedom in what a system does? In practice the main criterion seems to be that we cannot readily make predictions about the behaviour of the system. For certainly if we could, then this would show us that the behaviour must be determined in a definite way, and so cannot be free. But at least with our normal methods of perception and analysis one typically needs rather simple behaviour for us actually to be able to identify overall rules that let us make reasonable predictions about it. Yet in fact even in living organisms such behaviour is quite common. And for example particularly in lower animals there are all sorts of cases where very simple and predictable responses to stimuli are seen. But the point is that these are normally just considered to be unavoidable reflexes that leave no room for decisions or freedom. Yet as soon as the behaviour we see becomes more complex we quickly tend to imagine that it must be associated
[FairfieldLife] the past 10 years have seen fewer war deaths than any decade in the past 100 years
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[FairfieldLife] Violent Crime Rate Reduction
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Re: [FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/3/2014 2:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I'm going to be in Amsterdam today You're going to Amsterdam with a visiting lady friend instead of dialoging with Curtis in DC? Go figure. Bawee is very proud of the fact that it is a ladeee that is visiting him. This must be a big deal otherwise he wouldn't have made the distinction between a friend and a female friend who was comin' a knocking at his door. We will all hope that he has a wonderful time showing her Amsterdam and introducing her to some real Dutch beer after which they will stroll the canals, marvel at the various facades on those whimsical Dutch town houses. The many musical bells rung by the hundreds of bicyclists will charm her as he waxes eloquently about the history of Ann Frank's house. All in all it will be a marvelous visit no doubt. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
By all accounts MJ was a very conscientious baker. I suspect that his leaving left a void in the operation for a spell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/3/2014 4:25 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Is this the same as heads I win, tails you lose I mean, many of your arguments are fashioned that way I think. This may have some partial truth to it, because anyone can tell that MJ has some mental and emotional instability problems. The question though, is did he have these problems before he started TM or as a result of rounding, or as a result of his upbringing. Go figure. Another question is, why don't the people at MUM screen people for these kinds of problems? Everyone knows that the mental condition and attitude of the cook at a yoga camp has a direct effect on the well being of the camp participants. When you've got a cook with a negative attitude you are going to have some real serious problems. In one case, the bad food almost caused a revolt, according to my sources. It's bad enough to have to eat cafeteria food, but it's just an insult to get a sarcastic dish washer as well. Only the most advanced meditators are allowed to even get near the kitchen at a Zen Session. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : you are wrong about that some aspects of the practice under certain circumstances leads to mental and emotional instability. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
[FairfieldLife] Re: American Buddhists celebrate no self
Lawson, was this a tangential reply to me? I am not a former TMer, I still practice TM. Do you know of any research that compares the EEG of TMers in unity and say, Buddhists who are in unity? Since both these traditions have produced people with the unity experience, and they express themselves in ways that seem similar, it would seem likely there is something similar in the way their brains are processing data and functioning in general. I am not asking about meditation per se, I am asking about the final result of meditation, you know when it actually accomplishes what it was intended for. Meditators of various traditions, of 40, 50, 60 years practise, who are not remedial cases or idiots. People like Jerry Jarvis, Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti. A lot of people who have been in the movement, or others like this, kind of disappear from view, perhaps because they no longer need anything their movements have to offer. Not everyone who becomes realised has a desire to become a guru or a teacher of some kind. Saying there is no way to reconcile different approaches to spirituality is to say there is no unity or underlying reality. If reality is 'real', all roads lead to Rome, all road are Rome. If not, there is no point to these superficial differences, and no point to spirituality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Former TMers enjoy claiming that TM has the same effects as all other practices, but anyone who looks at the EEG signature of various practices instantly realizes that such people are either speaking from ignorance (willful or otherwise) or deliberately lying. Here's a discussion of no-self and American Buddhism in the context of a course on Buddhist philosophy and how it fits in with the research on Buddhist meditation (mindfulness, though focussed attention practices such as Benson's Relaxation Response, Samatha and Metta, all have teh same overall effect): http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2014/05/buddhism-and-modern-psychology-week-five-looking-at-meditation.html http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2014/05/buddhism-and-modern-psychology-week-five-looking-at-meditation.html Now that we’ve seen it suggested that the modular theory of the mind dovetails with the Buddhist theory of not-self, we look at how meditation might fit in to our picture. The first way this is discussed comes by looking at the Default Mode Network, which is the part of the brain that is active when our mind isn’t focused on anything. Brain scans have shown that meditation quiets this network. The activation of the Default Mode Network (DMN) becomes greater during TM. Coincidentally, activation of teh DMN is associated with sense of self, so the fact practice of meditation techniques that quiet the DMN also quiet sense of self is, well, a no-brainer. Likewise, the fact that TM, a mind-wandering practice, enhances teh activity of the DMN (including strengthening the activity of the brain associated with sense of self) is a no surprising, either. People who insist that all meditation practices eventually lead to the same place are fooling themselves. Mindfulness and concentrative practices, in the long run, distort the functioning of the Default Mode Network. Maharishi called this subtle damage to the nervous system. TM enhances the normal restful functioning of the brain, aka the Default Mode Network, which becomes active whenever the mind is allowed to wander. There's no reconciling the two approaches to spirituality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] One last set of thoughts for Curtis
On 5/3/2014 9:16 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/3/2014 2:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I'm going to be in Amsterdam today You're going to Amsterdam with a visiting lady friend instead of dialoging with Curtis in DC? Go figure. Bawee is very proud of the fact that it is a ladeee that is visiting him. This must be a big deal otherwise he wouldn't have made the distinction between a friend and a female friend who was comin' a knocking at his door. We will all hope that he has a wonderful time showing her Amsterdam and introducing her to some real Dutch beer after which they will stroll the canals, marvel at the various facades on those whimsical Dutch town houses. The many musical bells rung by the hundreds of bicyclists will charm her as he waxes eloquently about the history of Ann Frank's house. All in all it will be a marvelous visit no doubt. Barry should take his friend to the Amsterdam Apple Store - it's the largest one on the planet. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : well, I feel a compulsion to comment on things that I think are skewed. plus, and really, I don't mean to burst your bubble, so, I will try to whisper it, but you invited me to follow up on something you posted! This is making me laugh. For whatever reason, Steve, I'm diggin' your posts of late.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect
Yep, .the findings have been consistent across a large number of replications. As unlikely as the premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies seriously.” Ted Robert Gurr, PhD Emeritus Professor of Government and Politics University of Maryland Permanent Peace: What's the Evidence http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html Permanent Peace: What's the Evidence http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html SUMMARY What’s the Evidence? The fall of the Berlin Wall View on www.permanentpeac... http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:
Before a meeting with scientists in Seelisberg Maharishi was asked; Who is the most important person here now. Maharishi replied: the cook ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 5/3/2014 4:25 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Is this the same as heads I win, tails you lose I mean, many of your arguments are fashioned that way I think. This may have some partial truth to it, because anyone can tell that MJ has some mental and emotional instability problems. The question though, is did he have these problems before he started TM or as a result of rounding, or as a result of his upbringing. Go figure. Another question is, why don't the people at MUM screen people for these kinds of problems? Everyone knows that the mental condition and attitude of the cook at a yoga camp has a direct effect on the well being of the camp participants. When you've got a cook with a negative attitude you are going to have some real serious problems. In one case, the bad food almost caused a revolt, according to my sources. It's bad enough to have to eat cafeteria food, but it's just an insult to get a sarcastic dish washer as well. Only the most advanced meditators are allowed to even get near the kitchen at a Zen Session. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : you are wrong about that some aspects of the practice under certain circumstances leads to mental and emotional instability. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: American Buddhists celebrate no self
Eckhart Tolle does not practice meditation, in fact he claims that meditation
can be a hindrance to awakening.
On Sun, 5/4/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: American Buddhists celebrate no self
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 2:34 AM
Lawson, was
this a tangential reply to me? I am not a former TMer, I
still practice TM. Do you know of any research that compares
the EEG of TMers in unity and say, Buddhists who are in
unity? Since both these traditions have produced people with
the unity experience, and they express themselves in ways
that seem similar, it would seem likely there is something
similar in the way their brains are processing data and
functioning in general.
I am not asking about
meditation per se, I
am asking about the final result of meditation, you know
when it actually accomplishes what it was intended for.
Meditators of various traditions, of 40, 50, 60 years
practise, who are not remedial cases or idiots. People like
Jerry Jarvis, Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti. A lot of people who
have been in the movement, or others like this, kind of
disappear from view, perhaps because they no longer need
anything their movements have to offer. Not everyone who
becomes realised has a desire to become a guru or a teacher
of some kind. Saying there is no way to reconcile different
approaches to spirituality is to say there is no unity or
underlying reality. If reality is 'real', all roads
lead to Rome, all road are
Rome. If not, there is no point to these superficial
differences, and no point to spirituality.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
LEnglish5@... wrote :
Former TMers
enjoy claiming that TM has the same effects as all other
practices, but anyone who looks at the EEG signature of
various practices instantly realizes that such people are
either speaking from ignorance (willful or otherwise) or
deliberately lying.
Here's a discussion of
no-self and American Buddhism in the context of a course on
Buddhist philosophy and how it fits in with the research on
Buddhist meditation (mindfulness, though focussed attention
practices such as Benson's Relaxation Response,
Samatha and Metta, all have teh same overall
effect):
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/americanbuddhist/2014/05/buddhism-and-modern-psychology-week-five-looking-at-meditation.html
Now that
we’ve seen it suggested that the modular theory of the
mind dovetails with the Buddhist theory of not-self, we look
at how meditation might fit in to our picture.The first way this is discussed
comes by looking at the Default Mode Network, which
is the part of the brain that is active when our mind
isn’t focused on anything. Brain scans have shown that
meditation quiets this network. The activation of the Default
Mode Network (DMN) becomes greater during TM.
Coincidentally, activation of teh DMN is associated with
sense of self, so the fact practice of
meditation techniques that quiet the DMN also quiet
sense of self is, well, a no-brainer. Likewise,
the fact that TM, a mind-wandering practice, enhances teh
activity of the DMN (including strengthening the activity of
the brain associated with sense of self) is a no
surprising, either.
People who insist that
all meditation practices eventually lead to the same
place are fooling themselves. Mindfulness and
concentrative practices, in the long run, distort the
functioning of the Default Mode Network. Maharishi called
this subtle damage to the nervous system. TM
enhances the normal restful functioning of the brain, aka
the Default Mode Network, which becomes active
whenever the mind is allowed to wander.
There's no reconciling the
two approaches to spirituality.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect
The evidence that belies this crap the Movement puts out are the actual wars
that exist all over the globe, the murders and rapes that take place in the
heart of the Movement in Fairfield, a purusha man committing suicide by setting
himself on fire in the basement of Marshy's home in Vlodrop, and many other
suicides and attempted suicide in the TMO, the enforced slavery in Africa of
children and use of child soldiers in wars there. The list goes on and on.
As I have said numerous times here, the people of this world are screwed up,
but they are not completely stupid. If this so-called technology worked, the
people of the world would be clamoring to embrace it. In fact as I have also
said here, EVERY Third World country would have ALREADY mandated that every
citizen above the age of 12 practice TMSP in groups because that would make the
country invulnerable to attack internally and externally. They have not,
because it does not. This slavish adherence to an obviously false idea does no
one any good.
On Sun, 5/4/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Effect
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014, 4:14 AM
Yep, .the findings have been consistent
across a large number of replications. As unlikely as the
premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies
seriously.”Ted Robert Gurr, PhD
Emeritus Professor of Government and
PoliticsUniversity of Maryland
Permanent Peace: What's the
Evidence
Permanent
Peace: What's the Evidence SUMMARY
What’s the Evidence? The fall of the Berlin Wall
View on www.permanentpeac...
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