[FairfieldLife] new video: Raja Bob LoPinto, in full costume!
http://bethesdapeacepalace.org/ http://bethesdapeacepalace.org/ June 2, 2007 ALL MEDITATORS INVITED TO BUSINESS CONFERENCE Wednesday, June 6 11:30 am to 2:00 pm American Univ., Katzen Arts Center A Video Message of Invitation for Meditators, Sidhas and Governors from Raja Bob Lopinto You can view this 3 minute video message by clicking on the link below. http://www.tmbusiness.org/video/2007_06_06_raja_bob.html http://www.tmbusiness.org/video/2007_06_06_raja_bob.html More than 100 people have already registered for the June 6th luncheon conference on TM Business at American University. This luncheon conference is FREE for all meditators and their guests. There's still time to register. We strongly encourage you to attend. Go to www.TMBusiness.org With best wishes, Dr. Bob LoPinto Raja of Potomac Vedic America Global Country of World Peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: When will Al Gore stop his fucking lying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable. Do you know or remember who happened to say something like Gott wuerfelt nicht! :)
[FairfieldLife] An example of love as attachment (was Re: 'Lust Love')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, *both* love and lust are presented in our society as binding emotions. Those who enjoy a nice, unattached roll in the hay are portrayed as being incapable of controlling their lesser emotions, and thus bad. Whereas those who spout nonsense in movies and romance novels about how they'd die for love or would be lost without the one they love are portrayed as somehow good. Just to follow up on this idea, let's examine a story that has been presented to each of us here as an example of love and devotion. It's the story of how Maharishi reacted to Guru Dev's death. According to the stories we've all been told (which I don't know whether they're true or not, but they *were* presented to us, almost as part and parcel of the TM dogma), as Guru Dev's body was consigned to the Ganges, Maharishi jumped into the water himself, obviously with an intent to drowning himself and following his beloved guru into death. According to the versions of the story that were told to me, Maharishi had to be physically restrained. Now think about this. This story has been used in teacher training courses and in advanced lectures to convey the concept of devotion to one's guru. Right? The response that you as a spiritual seeker are *supposed to have* to this story is to go, Oooo, Maharishi was SO devoted...I sure wish *I* was that devoted. Right? But take a step back and look at the story again. Isn't it really a story about ATTACHMENT? As the story is told, Maharishi is so attached to Guru Dev that he wants to follow him into death. He is so distraught about losing him that he dives into the water after him. What could BE more attached? I know that this is going to push a few buttons here, and I apologize in advance if yours are among those pushed, and you react strongly to this alternative way of looking at one of the pieces of the TM dogma in a new way. But I think it's instruc- tive to do so. From the point of view of *selling* mindless devotion as a Good Thing, this story conveys one message. But from the point of view of attachment as the thing that prevents us from realizing our own enlightenment, the story conveys quite another message. I'm not suggesting that my take on this story is better or more correct than the TMO's take on it, merely that it might be interesting to view the story from a different point of view.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments from meditators and then failed, causing them to lose whatever they had invested (in one case, a fellow's entire inheritance). Probably healthy for them to loose their attachments. Do you know what Ron Dector is doing these days ?
[FairfieldLife] An example of love as attachment (was Re: 'Lust Love')
An absurd story for gullible westerners by other sentimental westerners. If MMY wanted to follow his guru in death all he had to do was jump into any funeral fire or any sacred river to perform sadhu-sati. Just remember the story of how shocked Alexander the Great's troops were when the Indian sadhu traveling with Alexander sat down on the pyre in meditation posture to exit this burning sansara. Why would we need a cute story like this except to overcome our doubts? By the way - GD was a danda sanyasin. Was he not buried in a grave or given a stone samadhi as fits a dashanamin? It's the story of how Maharishi reacted to Guru Dev's death. According to the stories we've all been told (which I don't know whether they're true or not, but they *were* presented to us, almost as part and parcel of the TM dogma), as Guru Dev's body was consigned to the Ganges, Maharishi jumped into the water himself, obviously with an intent to drowning himself and following his beloved guru into death. According to the versions of the story that were told to me, Maharishi had to be physically restrained.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments from meditators and then failed, causing them to lose whatever they had invested (in one case, a fellow's entire inheritance). Probably healthy for them to loose their attachments. Do you know what Ron Dector is doing these days ? what an idiotic thing to say. i know 4 people who lost $50,000+ and believe me they haven't lost any attachments to money - they're more attached than ever due to their financial difficulties. the one thing they lost which is good is their gullibility to shameless movement liars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments from meditators and then failed, causing them to lose whatever they had invested (in one case, a fellow's entire inheritance). Probably healthy for them to loose their attachments. Do you know what Ron Dector is doing these days ? what an idiotic thing to say. i know 4 people who lost $50,000+ and believe me they haven't lost any attachments to money - they're more attached than ever due to their financial difficulties. the one thing they lost which is good is their gullibility to shameless movement liars. Ron et al were still in the Movement when this happened ? Anyway, I'm sorry to hear that they apparently learned nothing from this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda On Jun 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments What were they supposed to be investments for? Was it a scam? No. It was a company which was trying to develop a technology for converting Canada's tar sands into petroleum. The company was not a scam, though it went belly up, but the aggressive way in which they raised money from meditators most of whom had no business investing in high risk venture capital was unethical IMO. Actually the company recently won a lawsuit from the labs involved and the investors should be getting a little money back - if you invested in Governors Technologies you should be getting in touch with them to make sure you get what you're due. I don't trust them to make sure they distribute the lawsuit proceeds properly to the investors (vis a vis the management).
[FairfieldLife] An example of love as attachment (was Re: 'Lust Love')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An absurd story for gullible westerners by other sentimental westerners. If MMY wanted to follow his guru in death all he had to do was jump into any funeral fire or any sacred river to perform sadhu-sati. Thats exactly what Maharishi did. But Guru Dev told him to surface and continue with life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? ...seems perfectly viable as an answer to me. What happened to him? He became a prick and ripped off gullible cult members. What more do I need to know than that? So it never occured to you that Ron belived in the business plan himself ? Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success, which is how the thing was marketing to fellow thinking sidhas. If some multi-millionaire sidha wanted to bet $50,000 on the deal working out, that's fine with me, that's how venture capital works, but they aggressively kept going after sidhas and encouraging them to put substantial portions of their entire net worth into the deal. The fundraisers like ron all made commissions that way. Even if Ron believed in it himself, you shouldn't make money selling venture capital that way to inexperienced investors.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? ...seems perfectly viable as an answer to me. What happened to him? He became a prick and ripped off gullible cult members. What more do I need to know than that? So it never occured to you that Ron belived in the business plan himself ? Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success, which is how the thing was marketing to fellow thinking sidhas. If some multi-millionaire sidha wanted to bet $50,000 on the deal working out, that's fine with me, that's how venture capital works, but they aggressively kept going after sidhas and encouraging them to put substantial portions of their entire net worth into the deal. The fundraisers like ron all made commissions that way. Even if Ron believed in it himself, you shouldn't make money selling venture capital that way to inexperienced investors. Why not ? That was America, right ? The country that invented capitalism and developed it to put billions of people all over the world into slavery. These investors was just caught up in the greed of their own culture. To blame Dector or anyone else for that is redicelous.
Re: [FairfieldLife] rising sign of Sat Yuga
On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kenny H wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/US/story?id=3238904page=1 For the second year in a row, violent crime has increased, Justice Department officials tell ABC News. A report to be released Monday cites a 1.3 increase in 2006. But robberies were up 6 percent, and murders in large cities also were up 6 percent. James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized. I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? I live in the first illegal alien sanctuary state and illegals are pouring into this state despite the fact we're about as far from the southern border as you can get. It's caused crime, rape, etc. to rise and is depleting our school's resources. Some schools have gone from no non-English speaking classes to 50% non-English speaking in just 5 years or so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. That's funny, because there was a 60 Minutes segment on the gold mine this is supposed to bring to this section of Canada. They even showed how they were going to process it. It's only profitable if oil is at a certain dollar per barrel and we are way above that number (40 USD a barrel). http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 7:01 AM, boo_lives wrote: Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success Are any of these guys living in FF or still have anything to do with the TMO? And when did this happen, approximately? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] rising sign of Sat Yuga
In a message dated 6/3/07 7:32:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized. I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? I live in the first illegal alien sanctuary state and illegals are pouring into this state despite the fact we're about as far from the southern border as you can get. It's caused crime, rape, etc. to rise and is depleting our school's resources. Some schools have gone from no non-English speaking classes to 50% non-English speaking in just 5 years or so. Racist! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. Typical TMO get rich quick scheme. I wonder how many other similar get rich quick schemes were inspired by the belief that since they had natural law behind them, they were invincible.
Re: [FairfieldLife] rising sign of Sat Yuga
On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/3/07 7:32:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized. I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? I live in the first illegal alien sanctuary state and illegals are pouring into this state despite the fact we're about as far from the southern border as you can get. It's caused crime, rape, etc. to rise and is depleting our school's resources. Some schools have gone from no non-English speaking classes to 50% non-English speaking in just 5 years or so. Racist! Speak for yourself Dixon.
[FairfieldLife] An example of love as attachment (was Re: 'Lust Love')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's the story of how Maharishi reacted to Guru Dev's death. According to the stories we've all been told (which I don't know whether they're true or not, but they *were* presented to us, almost as part and parcel of the TM dogma), as Guru Dev's body was consigned to the Ganges, Maharishi jumped into the water himself, obviously with an intent to drowning himself and following his beloved guru into death. According to the versions of the story that were told to me, Maharishi had to be physically restrained. Now think about this. This story has been used in teacher training courses and in advanced lectures to convey the concept of devotion to one's guru. Right? The response that you as a spiritual seeker are *supposed to have* to this story is to go, Oooo, Maharishi was SO devoted...I sure wish *I* was that devoted. Right? Huh, I never got the impression we were supposed to respond that way. If that's what the teachers I've heard tell the story were trying to inspire, they didn't do such a hot job of it. For that matter, I never got the impression the story was about MMY trying to commit suicide. This is the first I've ever heard that idea. I always figured it was just a matter of MMY not being able to bear to let even Guru Dev's lifeless body go. It's not an uncommon human response to be so deranged with grief one clings to the corpse of a loved one and has to be dragged away so the body can be disposed of. Irrational, certainly, but there's no intention to commit suicide; rather, it's an unwillingness to acknowledge that the person is actually dead. snip From the point of view of *selling* mindless devotion as a Good Thing, this story conveys one message. But from the point of view of attachment as the thing that prevents us from realizing our own enlightenment, the story conveys quite another message. I'm not suggesting that my take on this story is better or more correct than the TMO's take on it, Oh, sure you are. You wouldn't call the TMO's take MINDLESS devotion if you weren't. merely that it might be interesting to view the story from a different point of view. Yeah, well, neither message resonates with me. I have no idea whether the attachment in question was something that prevented MMY from realizing his own enlightenment; there's certainly nothing in the story itself to suggest that. Nor does refusing to accept that a loved one is dead and gone--let alone attempting suicide--strike me as anything to be emulated. People are funny. Sometimes they do weird things. Even enlightened people do weird things. That doesn't mean anybody else is supposed to do the same weird things on top of their *own* weird stuff. That's the message I get from the story, at any rate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul is the Rockinist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Net discretionary budget is not the TOTAL budget of the US federal government. Even if your $673 Billion figure is correct, that's still only 25% of the total budget...still far off from your half figure. Correction: The US government uses over half of its spending on Military, and that does not include this years war spending or black budgets. (Discretionary spending is the the portion of the federal budget that Congress can disperse in 1982 defense spending accounted for 61.1 percent of the total discretionary budget.) However, the 2003 and 2004 budget numbers do not include the costs of the war in Iraq or peacekeeping and reconstruction efforts. Current Pentagon estimates run to $3.9 billion a month to keep nearly 150,000 American troops in Iraq. White House budget director Joshua B. Bolten puts the total reconstruction costs for 2003 at about $7.3 billion. http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/defensedollars.html Income tax, off-world, has NOTHING to do with SPENDING. Income tax has to do with REVENUE, not spending. So you are, simply, very confused about accounting and budgets. Income tax has nothing to do with spending Lol. Conversation over. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] US Military spending
http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED Current military includes Dept. of Defense ($585 billion), the military portion from other departments ($122 billion), and an unbudgetted estimate of supplemental appropriations ($20 billion). Past military represents veterans' benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.* These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the Analytical Perspectives book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2008. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds such as Social Security that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don't pay) by April 17, 2007, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller. *Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending, most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated... http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: rising sign of Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kenny H wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/US/story?id=3238904page=1 For the second year in a row, violent crime has increased, Justice Department officials tell ABC News. A report to be released Monday cites a 1.3 increase in 2006. But robberies were up 6 percent, and murders in large cities also were up 6 percent. James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized. I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? Sorry, but statistics over the past *century* show that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, commit far less crime than native-born Americans. See, for example: http://tinyurl.com/278vsm (from NewAmericanMedia.org) I live in the first illegal alien sanctuary state and illegals are pouring into this state despite the fact we're about as far from the southern border as you can get. It's caused crime, rape, etc. to rise and is depleting our school's resources. Some schools have gone from no non-English speaking classes to 50% non-English speaking in just 5 years or so. Ironically, the more immigrants are assimilated (English proficiency, job skills, education level), the higher their rate of crime.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success, which is how the thing was marketing to fellow thinking sidhas. If some multi-millionaire sidha wanted to bet $50,000 on the deal working out, that's fine with me, that's how venture capital works, but they aggressively kept going after sidhas and encouraging them to put substantial portions of their entire net worth into the deal. The fundraisers like ron all made commissions that way. Even if Ron believed in it himself, you shouldn't make money selling venture capital that way to inexperienced investors. I get your point, but to fail to accept that one has made a bad choice just perpetuates victimhood. Ron holds some reponsibility for the lost $'s, but so does the investor who allowed their greed to be manipulated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rising sign of Sat Yuga
On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:40 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kenny H wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/US/story?id=3238904page=1 For the second year in a row, violent crime has increased, Justice Department officials tell ABC News. A report to be released Monday cites a 1.3 increase in 2006. But robberies were up 6 percent, and murders in large cities also were up 6 percent. James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized. I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? Sorry, but statistics over the past *century* show that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, commit far less crime than native-born Americans. Sorry, but I'm not referring to the last 100 years, I'm talking about since the mid-1980's to the present. Obviously you don't get out much. I've seen entire cities demographics change in the course of a decade or two. The town of Hazelton, PA, so central to the illegal immigration issue, is really only one of the more recent cities that this has happened to. Before that was Allentown and Reading which are now barrios surrounded by white suburbs. There are dozens of other small american cities this has happened to. Portland, Maine is one of the most recent and perhaps most bizarre since these are largely immigrants from our southern border pouring into a very northern state. Until recently in Maine, it was illegal to ask someone even committing a crime what their immigration status was! Last year I had to pay an attorney to find out who had stolen my sons SS # and used it to file a tax return. Let's just say it wasn't someone in this country legally. My electronic filing was kicked back and I was made to go thru a long process to even be able to get my return.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. That's funny, because there was a 60 Minutes segment on the gold mine this is supposed to bring to this section of Canada. Let's see now, the company was trying to develop a technology for converting Canada's tar sands into petroleum, and the fact that it wasn't successful at doing so is funny because tar sands exploitation is highly profitable for Canada? How does that work, exactly?
Re: [FairfieldLife] new video: Raja Bob LoPinto, in full costume!
Can you imagine some straight-up business guy seeing Bob wearing his crown? WTF! --- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bethesdapeacepalace.org/ http://bethesdapeacepalace.org/ June 2, 2007 ALL MEDITATORS INVITED TO BUSINESS CONFERENCE Wednesday, June 6 11:30 am to 2:00 pm American Univ., Katzen Arts Center A Video Message of Invitation for Meditators, Sidhas and Governors from Raja Bob Lopinto You can view this 3 minute video message by clicking on the link below. http://www.tmbusiness.org/video/2007_06_06_raja_bob.html http://www.tmbusiness.org/video/2007_06_06_raja_bob.html More than 100 people have already registered for the June 6th luncheon conference on TM Business at American University. This luncheon conference is FREE for all meditators and their guests. There's still time to register. We strongly encourage you to attend. Go to www.TMBusiness.org With best wishes, Dr. Bob LoPinto Raja of Potomac Vedic America Global Country of World Peace Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:57 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. That's funny, because there was a 60 Minutes segment on the gold mine this is supposed to bring to this section of Canada. Let's see now, the company was trying to develop a technology for converting Canada's tar sands into petroleum, and the fact that it wasn't successful at doing so is funny because tar sands exploitation is highly profitable for Canada? How does that work, exactly? They lied or were simply unknowledgable about the viability of the technology to do so. Most likely the latter. Mahesh Varma has a rather large reality distortion field.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. When I lived in Ffld in the mid 80's there were many people that had this type of distorted thinking. They thought that any business venture they undertook would work because they were siddhas. Most had rather rude awakenings when their businesses just flopped from the git-go. Support of nature doesn't simply mean one gets what one desires. That is the child's version of understanding Nature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abigail and Britney
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I don't know why, but I am fascinated by these conjoined twins. Here they are at 16: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-tT8c4Ebl0 So wdjaaa? ...maybe I'm a pervert but I do find them attractive. They ARE adorable. I'd never heard of them until you posted that video. So, I did some Googling and found this article: http://tinyurl.com/35w5c9 Although Brittany - the left twin - can't feel anything on the right side of the body and Abigail - the right twin - can't feel anything on her left, instinctively their limbs move as if co-ordinated by one person, even when typing e-mails on the computer. I have no lascivious interest in the girls, but my curiosity is piqued about who has sensation in the single shared pelvic region.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Peter wrote: When I lived in Ffld in the mid 80's there were many people that had this type of distorted thinking. They thought that any business venture they undertook would work because they were siddhas. Most had rather rude awakenings when their businesses just flopped from the git-go. Support of nature doesn't simply mean one gets what one desires. That is the child's version of understanding Nature. Well said. The do nothing and accomplish everything motto was often urging such people on--and their sad investors paid the price.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments from meditators and then failed, causing them to lose whatever they had invested (in one case, a fellow's entire inheritance). Probably healthy for them to loose their attachments. Do you know what Ron Dector is doing these days ? A quick Google search says his most recent gig is managing a luxury spa in the Philippines.
[FairfieldLife] What I Think About Evolution (Bownback)
May 31, 2007 Op-Ed Contributor NYTIMES What I Think About Evolution By SAM BROWNBACK Washington IN our sound-bite political culture, it is unrealistic to expect that every complicated issue will be addressed with the nuance or subtlety it deserves. So I suppose I should not have been surprised earlier this month when, during the first Republican presidential debate, the candidates on stage were asked to raise their hands if they did not believe in evolution. As one of those who raised his hand, I think it would be helpful to discuss the issue in a bit more detail and with the seriousness it demands. The premise behind the question seems to be that if one does not unhesitatingly assert belief in evolution, then one must necessarily believe that God created the world and everything in it in six 24-hour days. But limiting this question to a stark choice between evolution and creationism does a disservice to the complexity of the interaction between science, faith and reason. The heart of the issue is that we cannot drive a wedge between faith and reason. I believe wholeheartedly that there cannot be any contradiction between the two. The scientific method, based on reason, seeks to discover truths about the nature of the created order and how it operates, whereas faith deals with spiritual truths. The truths of science and faith are complementary: they deal with very different questions, but they do not contradict each other because the spiritual order and the material order were created by the same God. People of faith should be rational, using the gift of reason that God has given us. At the same time, reason itself cannot answer every question. Faith seeks to purify reason so that we might be able to see more clearly, not less. Faith supplements the scientific method by providing an understanding of values, meaning and purpose. More than that, faith not science can help us understand the breadth of human suffering or the depth of human love. Faith and science should go together, not be driven apart. The question of evolution goes to the heart of this issue. If belief in evolution means simply assenting to microevolution, small changes over time within a species, I am happy to say, as I have in the past, that I believe it to be true. If, on the other hand, it means assenting to an exclusively materialistic, deterministic vision of the world that holds no place for a guiding intelligence, then I reject it. There is no one single theory of evolution, as proponents of punctuated equilibrium and classical Darwinism continue to feud today. Many questions raised by evolutionary theory like whether man has a unique place in the world or is merely the chance product of random mutations go beyond empirical science and are better addressed in the realm of philosophy or theology. The most passionate advocates of evolutionary theory offer a vision of man as a kind of historical accident. That being the case, many believers myself included reject arguments for evolution that dismiss the possibility of divine causality. Ultimately, on the question of the origins of the universe, I am happy to let the facts speak for themselves. There are aspects of evolutionary biology that reveal a great deal about the nature of the world, like the small changes that take place within a species. Yet I believe, as do many biologists and people of faith, that the process of creation and indeed life today is sustained by the hand of God in a manner known fully only to him. It does not strike me as anti-science or anti-reason to question the philosophical presuppositions behind theories offered by scientists who, in excluding the possibility of design or purpose, venture far beyond their realm of empirical science. Biologists will have their debates about man's origins, but people of faith can also bring a great deal to the table. For this reason, I oppose the exclusion of either faith or reason from the discussion. An attempt by either to seek a monopoly on these questions would be wrong-headed. As science continues to explore the details of man's origin, faith can do its part as well. The fundamental question for me is how these theories affect our understanding of the human person. The unique and special place of each and every person in creation is a fundamental truth that must be safeguarded. I am wary of any theory that seeks to undermine man's essential dignity and unique and intended place in the cosmos. I firmly believe that each human person, regardless of circumstance, was willed into being and made for a purpose. While no stone should be left unturned in seeking to discover the nature of man's origins, we can say with conviction that we know with certainty at least part of the outcome. Man was not an accident and reflects an image and likeness unique in the created order. Those aspects of evolutionary theory compatible with this truth are a welcome addition to human knowledge. Aspects of these
[FairfieldLife] Re: rising sign of Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:40 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kenny H wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/US/story?id=3238904page=1 For the second year in a row, violent crime has increased, Justice Department officials tell ABC News. A report to be released Monday cites a 1.3 increase in 2006. But robberies were up 6 percent, and murders in large cities also were up 6 percent. James Fox, a professor at Northeastern University, said part of the problem is that gangs have made a comeback, and they are particularly well organized. I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? Sorry, but statistics over the past *century* show that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, commit far less crime than native-born Americans. Sorry, but I'm not referring to the last 100 years, I'm talking about since the mid-1980's to the present. Sorry, but if you'd checked the link I provided, you'd have found the percentages were holding steady as of the latest study, from February 2007. Obviously you don't get out much. Obviously you prefer anti-immigrant myths to actual crime stats. I've seen entire cities demographics change in the course of a decade or two. How absolutely ghastly. I've heard that happened in New York City a century or so ago. Just terrible. It could have been such a great city. However, the issue here was whether immigrants commit crimes at a greater rate than native- born Americans, as you suggested they did. They actually commit crimes at about one-fifth the rate of native-borns. And as I noted, the more they assimilate--the more like us they become--the more crimes they commit. So perhaps the rise in the overall crime rate is due to a higher rate of assimilation among immigrants.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:57 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. That's funny, because there was a 60 Minutes segment on the gold mine this is supposed to bring to this section of Canada. Let's see now, the company was trying to develop a technology for converting Canada's tar sands into petroleum, and the fact that it wasn't successful at doing so is funny because tar sands exploitation is highly profitable for Canada? How does that work, exactly? They lied or were simply unknowledgable about the viability of the technology to do so. Most likely the latter. I'm asking why not being knowledgeable about the viability of the technology would be funny in light of the potential profits for Canada. I don't see the connection between the two.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Peter wrote: When I lived in Ffld in the mid 80's there were many people that had this type of distorted thinking. They thought that any business venture they undertook would work because they were siddhas. Most had rather rude awakenings when their businesses just flopped from the git-go. Support of nature doesn't simply mean one gets what one desires. That is the child's version of understanding Nature. Well said. The do nothing and accomplish everything motto was often urging such people on--and their sad investors paid the price. Ah, yes, I remember all the Google links you claim to have found to get-rich-quick schemes when you did a search on Do nothing and accomplish everything. Turns out you made that up. There were no such links.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:13 AM, authfriend wrote: They lied or were simply unknowledgable about the viability of the technology to do so. Most likely the latter. I'm asking why not being knowledgeable about the viability of the technology would be funny in light of the potential profits for Canada. I don't see the connection between the two. The reason that would be difficult to explain or understand; strange, would be because there was immense opportunity for people to actually make returns on invested sums of money *if they knew the market*. It's strange that people would exploit that for a half-baked scheme rather than take advantage of real, viable opportunities for investment which clearly are there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 7:01 AM, boo_lives wrote: Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success Are any of these guys living in FF or still have anything to do with the TMO? And when did this happen, approximately? Sal None are in Ffld. I've heard that Cowhig has a real job now and even a girlfriend and is turning into a normal guy, positive but not fanatical about the TMO. the Governors investment thing happened in the mid to late 90s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have anything to report? I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM- ville) bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and greater self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north and west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), but the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, and I am not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as soon as I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft. One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building and descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at least that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more clear than before and his general support of nature more pronounced. The cost of the adjustment was 3000$ I eagerly await the day when Nablus goes the way of Ron Ron Decter ? No, Ron the sidha who used to post here about 50 times a day and was a fanatical pro-TM cult member but who is now, according to recent posts by him forwarded here by Rick Archer, is into another guru.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abigail and Britney
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I don't know why, but I am fascinated by these conjoined twins. Here they are at 16: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-tT8c4Ebl0 So wdjaaa? ...maybe I'm a pervert but I do find them attractive. They ARE adorable. I'd never heard of them until you posted that video. So, I did some Googling and found this article: http://tinyurl.com/35w5c9 Although Brittany - the left twin - can't feel anything on the right side of the body and Abigail - the right twin - can't feel anything on her left, instinctively their limbs move as if co-ordinated by one person, even when typing e-mails on the computer. I have no lascivious interest in the girls, but my curiosity is piqued about who has sensation in the single shared pelvic region. I have to assume they both do. I suppose they alternate hands from one night to the next. Britney is Monday's, Wednesday's and Friday's; Abigail is Tuesday's, Thursday's and the weekend.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Peter wrote: When I lived in Ffld in the mid 80's there were many people that had this type of distorted thinking. They thought that any business venture they undertook would work because they were siddhas. Most had rather rude awakenings when their businesses just flopped from the git-go. Support of nature doesn't simply mean one gets what one desires. That is the child's version of understanding Nature. Well said. The do nothing and accomplish everything motto was often urging such people on--and their sad investors paid the price. Ah, yes, I remember all the Google links you claim to have found to get-rich-quick schemes when you did a search on Do nothing and accomplish everything. Turns out you made that up. There were no such links Actually not, there was a book written on it (rather popular and used outside the authors own lectures), which of course you tried to explain away unconvincingly. And of course I'm directly aware a number of such schemes myself, having been on recent retreat (several years ago) with an attorney involved in several schemes and lots of lost money. Apparently, others are as well.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Are any of these guys living in FF or still have anything to do with the TMO? And when did this happen, approximately? Sal None are in Ffld. I've heard that Cowhig has a real job now and even a girlfriend and is turning into a normal guy, positive but not fanatical about the TMO. the Governors investment thing happened in the mid to late 90s. Last winter John's sister Margaret told me that John had a job which involved walking around in the woods looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a great job, if it pays well enough.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, I remember all the Google links you claim to have found to get-rich-quick schemes when you did a search on Do nothing and accomplish everything. Turns out you made that up. There were no such links Actually not, there was a book written on it I think you're referring to this: http://lazyway.blogs.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:17 AM, authfriend wrote: Ah, yes, I remember all the Google links you claim to have found to get-rich-quick schemes when you did a search on Do nothing and accomplish everything. Turns out you made that up. There were no such links. Actually I was the one who did the search (maybe Vaj did too) and there are, at least now, over 1000 for that phrase, nearly all of them a sales pitch for a book by Fred Gratzon, which does indeed sound like a get-rich quick scheme. Here is an excerpt from of one of the articles: The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything By Fred Gratzon, Author of The Lazy Way to Success I don't believe in work. And I could never hold a job. Then again, I never really wanted one. I only took a job when I got absolutely desperate. Even still, it didn't take long for me to get fired. Or to run out screaming. *** Or, he might have added, to go bankrupt several times and still live in a McMansion, all while acting like others are so much lower than you on the evolutionary scale. Maybe he'll write a book on that someday. http://www.mindpowernews.com/LazyWayToSuccess.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:32 AM, boo_lives wrote: None are in Ffld. I've heard that Cowhig has a real job now and even a girlfriend and is turning into a normal guy, positive but not fanatical about the TMO. the Governors investment thing happened in the mid to late 90s. Thanks. And I just read that, at least as of last year, Gregg and Georgina were still doing the TM-Sidhi Administrator bit--didn't say where they were living, though. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. Not an isolated incident. I know of two sidhas who in the early '80s took investment money from sidhas (non-governor meditators at that) for a business scheme of theirs and promptly used the money to go on the India course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Peter wrote: When I lived in Ffld in the mid 80's there were many people that had this type of distorted thinking. They thought that any business venture they undertook would work because they were siddhas. Most had rather rude awakenings when their businesses just flopped from the git-go. Support of nature doesn't simply mean one gets what one desires. That is the child's version of understanding Nature. Well said. The do nothing and accomplish everything motto was often urging such people on--and their sad investors paid the price. Ah, yes, I remember all the Google links you claim to have found to get-rich-quick schemes when you did a search on Do nothing and accomplish everything. Turns out you made that up. There were no such links Actually not, there was a book written on it (rather popular and used outside the authors own lectures), which of course you tried to explain away unconvincingly. No, sorry, that's another falsehood. There were no links to get-rich-quick schemes under that phrase. The book you refer to was not even *remotely* a get- rich-quick scheme, as is obvious from the descriptive material on the book (Fred Gratzon's The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything); no explanation from me required. See, e.g., the reader reviews on Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/3d8xuc Or the book's own Web page: http://www.lazyway.net What was unconvincing was your response to my request to cite the links you claim to have found: No because you just want to start an argument. Translation: No, because there weren't any. You made it up out of whole cloth. And you continue to lie about it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
Yes, indeedee. But I'd also point out, many others following the precise same philosophy have come on disastrous results without ever having read this book. My primary and first hand experience on this was from others who had this almost childish, movement-derived distorted thinking Dr. Pete refers to. On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Actually not, there was a book written on it I think you’re referring to this: http://lazyway.blogs.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. That's funny, because there was a 60 Minutes segment on the gold mine this is supposed to bring to this section of Canada. They even showed how they were going to process it. It's only profitable if oil is at a certain dollar per barrel and we are way above that number (40 USD a barrel). http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml I've written about the tar sands on this forum quite frequently. There is more potential oil in Alberta's tar sands than there are proven reserves of oil in the entire world combined. But there are two types of tar sands: a) retrievable under current technologies (and this represents about 15% of all potential reserves); and b) economically unretrievable under current technologies, which is the bulk of the tar sands. I suspect that it was the latter category under which the sidhas in question were raising venture capital for.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? the investors bear ultimate responsibility, but i heard their sale pitch (cowhig, dector and wilson)and it basically took advantage of naive sidhas belief that nothing could go wrong investing with guys who were so close to MMY. completely unbusineslike and unethical. Typical TMO get rich quick scheme. I wonder how many other similar get rich quick schemes were inspired by the belief that since they had natural law behind them, they were invincible. I've not only seen numerous get-rich-quick schemes unethically and dishonestly represented by sidhas but I've also seen sidhas use the weight of the movement to manipulate people in regular business situations to get unfair advantages. Such as: if you don't join OUR marketing team, you're an enemy of the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Peter wrote: When I lived in Ffld in the mid 80's there were many people that had this type of distorted thinking. They thought that any business venture they undertook would work because they were siddhas. Most had rather rude awakenings when their businesses just flopped from the git-go. Support of nature doesn't simply mean one gets what one desires. That is the child's version of understanding Nature. Well said. The do nothing and accomplish everything motto was often urging such people on--and their sad investors paid the price. Although I agree generally with all the points Vaj is making here about Sidhas and their unethical behaviour with get-rich-quick schemes, I would remind everyone that over 90% of ALL business ventures in the real world (i.e. non-meditating community) fail within the first 6 months of their existance. So businesses that flop from the git-go is NOT unusual; it is par for the course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? ...seems perfectly viable as an answer to me. What happened to him? He became a prick and ripped off gullible cult members. What more do I need to know than that? So it never occured to you that Ron belived in the business plan himself ? I have absolutely no doubt that virtually every single one of the thousands of businessmen/swindlers currently sitting in prison for fraud believed in their hearts of hearts that the schemes they foisted upon a gullible public not only would work but that what they were doing was both ethical and justified by the rewards they promised would result from said schemes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments from meditators and then failed, causing them to lose whatever they had invested (in one case, a fellow's entire inheritance).
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMStories
TurquoiseB wrote: Personally, I do not believe that such moral values exist. Everything in the relative is relative. Sometimes you don't seem to make much sense. At one point you claimed to be a Buddhist, yet here you are taking up the cause of moral relativism. Whatever happened to Dharma, the bedrock of the Buddhist Way? What exactly, do you mean when you refer to yourself as a Buddhist? Don't all Buddhists ascribe to the universal truth of Dharma, otherwise why call yourself a Buddhist? The ability to appreciate several points of Views simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in. Cosmic concept juggling. :-) Some characterize this juggling of opposites as a Bad Thing. They call it moral relativism snip But it seems to me that the belief that one's fixed, strongly defined morals are right and justified and that the more fluid morals of others are NOT as right and NOT as justified is equivalent to believing that the universe has a hierarchy of right and wrong, better and worse. And, because they KNOW the difference between right and wrong, better and worse, THEY exists on a higher level of that cosmic hierarchy. That's an interesting belief system, and there seem to be a great number of people on this planet who have bought into it. Me, I'm more Tantric, and don't necessarily believe that the universe I see around me is structured in levels of Dead Wrong, Wrong, Right, and Most Right. That is fine on one level, yet people can have sense of what is fair when they look to things. A sense, or to apprehend or intuit what is fair or, right or just. i.e., Emerson in a lecture speaks to this too: The intuition of the moral sentiment is an insight of the perfection of the laws of the soul. These laws execute themselves. They are out of time, out of space, and not subject to circumstance. Like Shemp recently observing back in that Girish succession thread that MMY's family may not really 'get' what is Western spirituality that this may become the crux of what is to come of the TMorg the meditating community. He's probably got something there. Can just look at 'the great number of people' in an aggregate who have made their judgment of TM and the TMorg, by walking away. People by action make moral choices all the time, and then others sometimes by acting not even thinking much about it. And there is *nothing* wrong with that. *I* make choices that some could call moral (I call them ethical) all the time. But they are *my* decisions, having to do with *my* life. I do not try to suggest that they are universal truths, or the truth, and I don't try to impose them on others. THAT is what I was railing about -- those who believe that *their* moral choices are so right that they have the right to impose them on others, or the duty to convince others of their truth. Nurtured,or hardwired in the DNA, taught, socialized, or from beyond; things sometimes can be a little firmer than just intellectual relativism(s) that make no choices or has no moral courage. Turq, from reading I see that you have a lot more courage about life than you pretend with this kind of writing you are trying here recently on moral philosophy. May be though you will be able to reconcile and mend what they have broke here, coming in with such a relativism that says everyone is okay. Everyone IS ok, in their Way. To believe other- wise is to state that *you* know the truth. I don't. I have intuitions about what would be the correct ethical choice for *me* to make in a given situation. That choice may vary *with* the situation -- I might turn right one day and turn left the next, depending on the situation itself, even those it may appear to be the same situation to observers. Again, what I try not to do is to impose my choices on others as the right choice or the moral choice. They're Just My Choices, that's all. You go make your own. I may, from time to time, post something about my choices and why I made them, but that's Just Another Book In The Spiritual Bookstore Of FFL. It's not a sales pitch. I'm not trying to con- vince you to do what I do, or even do what I say. Your life is your own, as are your choices...make them however you want. Unless they impinge upon my ability to make my own choices, your choices don't affect me at all, and thus I've got nothing to say about them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Thats an ugly non-answer to the question What happened to Ron Dector ? ...seems perfectly viable as an answer to me. What happened to him? He became a prick and ripped off gullible cult members. What more do I need to know than that? So it never occured to you that Ron belived in the business plan himself ? Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success, which is how the thing was marketing to fellow thinking sidhas. If some multi-millionaire sidha wanted to bet $50,000 on the deal working out, that's fine with me, that's how venture capital works, Actually, boo_lives, I'm going to be a little nitpicky with you here: no, that is NOT how venture capital works, that's how speculative investments work. Venture capital is a well-coordinated, well-researched enterprise. There are 10s of billions of dollars invested every year by Venture Capital firms who represent capital pools from highly respected sources, such as the major banks and mutual funds. Less than 1% of all applicants who approach Venture Capital firms asking for money for their schemes actually get funded. The kind of thing that Dector et al did was go to individual investors for money and this is NOT venture capital money. Venture capitalists are usually MBAs with years of experience in not only investing but in the rather narrow fields of expertise that they exclusively invest their firms money in (such as high tech areas). These were NOT the targets of Dector's and Cowhig's sales pitches because they would, of course, been laughed out of the board room where they would have had to go to make their pitch in the first place (and that's a big if right there because it assumes that they would have been able to get IN to Venture Capital board rooms to pitch in the first place, which is highly unlikely. Speculation investing and Venture capital investing are two entirely different markets. but they aggressively kept going after sidhas and encouraging them to put substantial portions of their entire net worth into the deal. The fundraisers like ron all made commissions that way. Even if Ron believed in it himself, you shouldn't make money selling venture capital that way to inexperienced investors.
Re: [FairfieldLife] rising sign of Sat Yuga
In a message dated 6/3/07 7:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if this has to do with illegal alien migration? I live in the first illegal alien sanctuary state and illegals are pouring into this state despite the fact we're about as far from the southern border as you can get. It's caused crime, rape, etc. to rise and is depleting our school's resources. Some schools have gone from no non-English speaking classes to 50% non-English speaking in just 5 years or so. Racist! Speak for yourself Dixon. Ahem, I was speaking tongue in cheek. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Are any of these guys living in FF or still have anything to do with the TMO? And when did this happen, approximately? Sal None are in Ffld. I've heard that Cowhig has a real job now and even a girlfriend and is turning into a normal guy, positive but not fanatical about the TMO. the Governors investment thing happened in the mid to late 90s. Last winter John's sister Margaret told me that John had a job which involved walking around in the woods looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a great job, if it pays well enough. In other words: he's a loser living in a van down by the river.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
Use your head, Curtis, and try to apply some logic. If you have ever been on TTC you would know that Marshy runs a very tight ship - no drugs, no illicit sexual activity. Curtis wrote: Uh, dude you were so not in the early movement or even early MIU. The hooking up was not only common, it was fantastic. Thanks for setting the record straight, Curtis. I always thought you and the others were attending TTC so you could spiritually regenerate the world. So, it has been established that you were only drinking the kool aid and following the example set by Marshy. If so, then I think an easier way to get laid would have been for the Marshy to just get married to a nice Hindu girl and for you to have just skipped all the long hours spend in the rounding. I mean, if that was what this was all about, what's the point trying to be all spiritual and such? Ned Wynn: Now, however, I had my eye on becoming a teacher of TM. Becoming a teacher of TM was a good deal from every angle. You got a big boost on the road to God Conciousness, you could actually tell people you had a job, and, in a not-unwelcome side effect, a lot of meditating women looked on being a teacher as similar to being a sort of rock figure. As an aspiring teacher of TM, I had decided to avoid, at least during retreats, the use of drugs or alcohol. Therefore, I had to resort to other stimulants, like hatha-yoga. (...) The more immediate rewards of hatha-yoga were more earthly. For one thing, you could get a woman to disrobe in order to perform it. And there is nothing quite like the sight of a girl in her bikini underwear doing the Plough. Work cited: We Will Always Live in Beverly Hills Growing up crazy in Hollywood By Ned Wynn Morrow, 1990 p. 239
Re: [FairfieldLife] US Military spending
In a message dated 6/3/07 8:37:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending, most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated..n Along with the country ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rising sign of Sat Yuga
In a message dated 6/3/07 8:56:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously you don't get out much. I've seen entire cities demographics change in the course of a decade or two. The town of Hazelton, PA, so central to the illegal immigration issue, is really only one of the more recent cities that this has happened to. Before that was Allentown and Reading which are now barrios surrounded by white suburbs. There are dozens of other small american cities this has happened to. Portland, Maine is one of the most recent and perhaps most bizarre since these are largely immigrants from our southern border pouring into a very northern state. Until recently in Maine, it was illegal to ask someone even committing a crime what their immigration status was! Last year I had to pay an attorney to find out who had stolen my sons SS # and used it to file a tax return. Let's just say it wasn't someone in this country legally. My electronic filing was kicked back and I was made to go thru a long process to even be able to get my return. Nothing good comes across a Southern border. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 12:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Typical TMO get rich quick scheme. I wonder how many other similar get rich quick schemes were inspired by the belief that since they had natural law behind them, they were invincible. I've not only seen numerous get-rich-quick schemes unethically and dishonestly represented by sidhas but I've also seen sidhas use the weight of the movement to manipulate people in regular business situations to get unfair advantages. Such as: if you don't join OUR marketing team, you're an enemy of the Movement. Now that's *really* bad. Sheesh, it gets worse the closer you look.
[FairfieldLife] Cult speak posting of the month
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Fine. What happened to Ron Decter ? He was in a business called Governor's Technologies with John Cowhig and Gregg Wilson which aggressively solicited investments from meditators and then failed, causing them to lose whatever they had invested (in one case, a fellow's entire inheritance). Probably healthy for them to loose their attachments. Only a brainwashed cult member would justify and excuse fraud, misrepresentation, and unethical behaviour by explaining away the bad consequences of a fellow cult member's actions by saying that it's probably healthy for them to lose their attachments. Do you know what Ron Dector is doing these days ?
[FairfieldLife] re: Ron Paul
I just attended the Republic of Texas Biker RAlly here in Austin. The only candidate with signs out was the Ron Paul group. The British bookies have reversed their line of about 1 month ago.They had him at 200-1 winning the election.Now he is at 15-1. He would make a great president,if they dont assassinate him first.Rudy and the good old boys hate him .He wants us t o live by the constitution. I have followed his carrer from a distance thru his brother who is my accountant. This is the first time since I ran for office with the NLP that I have had an interest in politics. The RonPaul2008. com is the link They are looking or help in Iowa for the campaign.They have a fellow here who wants to work in Iowa for the campaign. If y'all want to help go to the website.Iowa is the first primary. steve We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda I have absolutely no doubt that virtually every single one of the thousands of businessmen/swindlers currently sitting in prison for fraud believed in their hearts of hearts that the schemes they foisted upon a gullible public not only would work but that what they were doing was both ethical and justified by the rewards they promised would result from said schemes. I tend to avoid in-town clients because there seems to be a greater than usual tendency for people to involve others unwittingly in their business schemes. In other words, they hire contractors to perform services on the assumption that they will pay them when their business profits, without telling them that the likelihood of its doing so is slim.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Last winter John's sister Margaret told me that John had a job which involved walking around in the woods looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a great job, if it pays well enough. In other words: he's a loser living in a van down by the river. We'll see how things end up for John. He is a very bright guy. BTW, you've made 24 posts since Friday at midnight, so you've only got 11 more to go between now and next Friday. Better pace yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Military spending
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED Current military includes Dept. of Defense ($585 billion), the military portion from other departments ($122 billion), and an unbudgetted estimate of supplemental appropriations ($20 billion). Past military represents veterans' benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.* These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the Analytical Perspectives book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2008. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds such as Social Security that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don't pay) by April 17, 2007, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller. *Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending, most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated... http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm OffWorld Now you're making sense. You could have used the correct terms in the first place and not wasted my time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:17 AM, authfriend wrote: Ah, yes, I remember all the Google links you claim to have found to get-rich-quick schemes when you did a search on Do nothing and accomplish everything. Turns out you made that up. There were no such links. Actually I was the one who did the search (maybe Vaj did too) I'm referring to Vaj's claim that a Google search on the phrase would turn up many links to get-rich- quick schemes. and there are, at least now, over 1000 for that phrase, nearly all of them a sales pitch for a book by Fred Gratzon, which does indeed sound like a get-rich quick scheme. No, it doesn't. Unless you have an exceptionally idiosyncratic definition of get-rich-quick scheme. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get-rich-quick_scheme The book is about how to be successful without knocking yourself out, and it's based on *MMY's* version of Do nothing and accomplish everything, i.e., effortlessness. There's no scheme involved other than knowing how to accomplish things effortlessly. (He recommends TM, incidentally, as the best foundation for this skill.) Here is an excerpt from of one of the articles: The Lazy Way to Success: How to Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything By Fred Gratzon, Author of The Lazy Way to Success I don't believe in work. And I could never hold a job. Then again, I never really wanted one. I only took a job when I got absolutely desperate. Even still, it didn't take long for me to get fired. Or to run out screaming. But if you read *just* a little further: I came to appreciate that hard work scares success away. Success, it turns out, is inversely proportional to hard work. In other words, the less you work, the more you succeed. Or the more you work, the less you succeed. However, there is one catch - you have to know how to avoid work properly. There is an art to gaining success through avoiding work. Once you follow the principles, then you will be able to accomplish great things and achieve as much wealth as you desire, while still preserving your health, happiness, and family life. It's really a book about self-actualization. Again, there is no scheme involved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Last winter John's sister Margaret told me that John had a job which involved walking around in the woods looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a great job, if it pays well enough. In other words: he's a loser living in a van down by the river. We'll see how things end up for John. He is a very bright guy. BTW, you've made 24 posts since Friday at midnight, so you've only got 11 more to go between now and next Friday. Better pace yourself. My only live contact with John Cowhig (other than seeing him on tape or beside MMY at official movement functions) was sitting beside him as a bus took me and my fellow TTC participants to a Switzerland location and Cowhig hitched a ride with us. We were beneath contempt for him. He had a frown on his face the entire time, refused to speak or interact with us and was, up to that time, the most surly, unpleasant individual I'd ever encountered. He made Michael Yankhaus look like the hugging saint by comparison.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda Last winter John's sister Margaret told me that John had a job which involved walking around in the woods looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a great job, if it pays well enough. In other words: he's a loser living in a van down by the river. We'll see how things end up for John. He is a very bright guy. BTW, you've made 24 posts since Friday at midnight, so you've only got 11 more to go between now and next Friday. Better pace yourself. No, I prefer shooting my wad all at once. That way, once I'm put on stall mode, I tend not to log on to FFL and get distracted away from the work I have to do. Gee, am I becoming an advocate of the 35 posts a month rule? -);
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
Robert Gimbel wrote: So, he brought the drugs in, and made up this rumor about Maharishi, being sexual with someone on the course, perhaps Mia, or someone else; But according to Cynthia Lennon, this was all made up by Alex as a ploy, to get him to leave India, and return to the good life of sex, drugs and rock and roll. Your post seems to be essentialy the same story I posted a few days ago. What is interesting about this, is not what Marshy or Mia did or didn't do, but how intent Rick and Curtis are in defaming the Marshy. When I posted this story, Rick and Curtis insinuated that I was a liar and a troll. They must be heavily invested in seeking to prove that Marshy is nothing more than a dirty old man. What is it, do you suppose, that makes these two informers so difficult to have a serious debate with? Go figure. Richard wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140458 Curtis wrote: Both you and Rick have wisely warned me to avoid his trollish ways. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140471 Rick wrote: He makes this stuff up. Trying to have a rational conversation with him is an exercise in futility. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140466 The story I heard, according to Cynthia Lennon, in her first book, goes like this. She felt that this trip to India and being with Maharishi, clean, without drugs, for a while, would renew their marriage and his relationship with his son, Julian. But no, this was not to be: There was this guy, named Magic Alex. He had been a Lennon groupie, of sorts, and a wizard with electronics and special effects. Anyway, he had no use for Maharishi and his hold over John. So, he brought the drugs in, and made up this rumor about Maharishi, being sexual with someone on the course, perhaps Mia, or someone else; But according to Cynthia Lennon, this was all made up by Alex as a ploy, to get him to leave India, and return to the good life of sex, drugs and rock and roll. So, as John was walking out- Maharishi was confused and upset- Why are you leaving, he asked; what is wrong? John said, in a nasty tone: If you're so f--king cosmic, you should know, and walked out. No one would give them a ride when they left the ashram, because it was bad luck to help someone, who had cursed Maharishi, as he was regarded as a Saint, in that part of the world. John Lennon got stranded in India, at that point, bad luck began for him, and his wife and son. From that point on, Cynthia, lost the last thread of hope, for their marriage. John began seeing Yoko Ono, and she introduced him to heroin. Later he separated from Yoko, And was to become an alcoholic, hanging out in L.A. and singing songs like: 'Whatever gets you through the night, it's alright, it's alright... Do it wrong, or do it right, it's alright, it's alright. John Lennon returned to Yoko, in 1975, and they had a baby together, and he cleaned up his act. On December 8th, 1980, John Lennon was assassinated by a man, who was a deranged fan of his. He had just returned from the studio, that night, in NYC; With the new song, he and Yoko, were working on: 'Walking on thin Ice'. John Lennon was placed in a police car, bleeding heavily, from massive gunshot wounds to his chest. He was asked by the police, What is your name? He replied, John Lennon. And the world was saddened and shocked as news of his murder, Spread around the globe-It was truly the end of an era, John was dead, and Ronald Reagan, was taking power, at about the same time. Reagan never did like hippies, and tree huggers. As for Mia Farrow-I'm not sure what it is about her that attracts her to these powerful men? And I seriously doubt that any rumors from that course are true, because of all the power trips, the ego trips, and so on, and so forth...ad infinitum. r.g.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Military spending
On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:35 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Now you're making sense. You could have used the correct terms in the first place and not wasted my time. It's a liberal plot, Shemp, so that you use up most of your posts in the first day or two. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: rising sign of Sat Yuga
I think there may be an apples an oranges thing here. Over many years I have seen (detailed econometric) studies that control for many exogenous factors, confirming that immigrants provide a positve boost to the economy, have higher education levels, their kids beat out natives in SAT scores aand college admissions -- and do indeed have a lower crime rate. Anyone that knows legal immigrants knows they tend to be very gung-ho on being good citizens. Mnay of these are professions -- doctors, IS types, etc. That they have lower crime rates is not surprising. The bulk of these studies are on legal immigrants, I believe. Perhaps some are of both legal an illegal. But the article implies that the illegal immigrants are about 33% of the total immigrant population. Thus, even if both are in some studies, the effect of illegals is muted by the higher number of leagal immigrants. On the other hand, the FBI crime stats I have seen solely on illegal immigrants are surpisingly (shockingly) high. Which is not a huge surprise give they are much more disenfranchised, only have marginal jobs available to them etc. I ma not convinced that the stats I saw were not packaged in some unfair way. I have not drawn any firm conclusions. But the hypothesis that illegal aliens commit a higher level of crime is plausible, IMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Sorry, but if you'd checked the link I provided, you'd have found the percentages were holding steady as of the latest study, from February 2007. Obviously you don't get out much. Obviously you prefer anti-immigrant myths to actual crime stats. I've seen entire cities demographics change in the course of a decade or two. How absolutely ghastly. I've heard that happened in New York City a century or so ago. Just terrible. It could have been such a great city. However, the issue here was whether immigrants commit crimes at a greater rate than native- born Americans, as you suggested they did. They actually commit crimes at about one-fifth the rate of native-borns. And as I noted, the more they assimilate--the more like us they become--the more crimes they commit. So perhaps the rise in the overall crime rate is due to a higher rate of assimilation among immigrants.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:39 AM, authfriend wrote: But if you read *just* a little further: I came to appreciate that hard work scares success away. Success, it turns out, is inversely proportional to hard work. In other words, the less you work, the more you succeed. Or the more you work, the less you succeed. Well, I must admit, from the little I know of him, Fred certainly does live that rule. Does the book mention, I wonder, the 2 companies (at least) that he ran into the ground apparently following that philosophy? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter what Ron believed in. He had no business or technology experience whatsoever or basis for intelligently evaluating the process - his experience was with MMY which means he was trained to believe in outrageous grand schemes and that everything he, cowhig and wilson did would have complete support of nature and be a huge success, which is how the thing was marketing to fellow thinking sidhas. If some multi-millionaire sidha wanted to bet $50,000 on the deal working out, that's fine with me, that's how venture capital works, but they aggressively kept going after sidhas and encouraging them to put substantial portions of their entire net worth into the deal. The fundraisers like ron all made commissions that way. Even if Ron believed in it himself, you shouldn't make money selling venture capital that way to inexperienced investors. I get your point, but to fail to accept that one has made a bad choice just perpetuates victimhood. Ron holds some reponsibility for the lost $'s, but so does the investor who allowed their greed to be manipulated. I completely agree. If the deluded sidhas couldn't find anyone to invest in their schemes, there would be no victims, save the sidhas' egos. In my experience, even when I was completely sold out to the incomplete or immature understanding of support of nature, I *never* would've invested money in these programs. Believing wholeheartedly in something is far different from attempting to make money on it, resorting to magical thinking out of greed or desperation. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came to appreciate that hard work scares success away. Success, it turns out, is inversely proportional to hard work. In other words, the less you work, the more you succeed. Or the more you work, the less you succeed. However, there is one catch - you have to know how to avoid work properly. There is an art to gaining success through avoiding work. Once you follow the principles, then you will be able to accomplish great things and achieve as much wealth as you desire, while still preserving your health, happiness, and family life. It's really a book about self-actualization. Again, there is no scheme involved. From the excerpts you have printed, I can kind of understand where this guy is coming from, however I'd rephrase the above quote to say something like, hard work without applying intelligence to it, and without always keeping the big picture in mind, will not result in success. But the expression as quoted, that one works less to succeed more, is very misleading, and if used out of context is just an incorrect view of life. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
This is what you wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Richard again: Your post seems to be essentialy the same story I posted a few days ago. No it isn't, your fabrication has nothing to do with Cynthia's account. It is an other example of proof that what you said was not true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Gimbel wrote: So, he brought the drugs in, and made up this rumor about Maharishi, being sexual with someone on the course, perhaps Mia, or someone else; But according to Cynthia Lennon, this was all made up by Alex as a ploy, to get him to leave India, and return to the good life of sex, drugs and rock and roll. YOu What is interesting about this, is not what Marshy or Mia did or didn't do, but how intent Rick and Curtis are in defaming the Marshy. When I posted this story, Rick and Curtis insinuated that I was a liar and a troll. They must be heavily invested in seeking to prove that Marshy is nothing more than a dirty old man. What is it, do you suppose, that makes these two informers so difficult to have a serious debate with? Go figure. Richard wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140458 Curtis wrote: Both you and Rick have wisely warned me to avoid his trollish ways. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140471 Rick wrote: He makes this stuff up. Trying to have a rational conversation with him is an exercise in futility. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/140466 The story I heard, according to Cynthia Lennon, in her first book, goes like this. She felt that this trip to India and being with Maharishi, clean, without drugs, for a while, would renew their marriage and his relationship with his son, Julian. But no, this was not to be: There was this guy, named Magic Alex. He had been a Lennon groupie, of sorts, and a wizard with electronics and special effects. Anyway, he had no use for Maharishi and his hold over John. So, he brought the drugs in, and made up this rumor about Maharishi, being sexual with someone on the course, perhaps Mia, or someone else; But according to Cynthia Lennon, this was all made up by Alex as a ploy, to get him to leave India, and return to the good life of sex, drugs and rock and roll. So, as John was walking out- Maharishi was confused and upset- Why are you leaving, he asked; what is wrong? John said, in a nasty tone: If you're so f--king cosmic, you should know, and walked out. No one would give them a ride when they left the ashram, because it was bad luck to help someone, who had cursed Maharishi, as he was regarded as a Saint, in that part of the world. John Lennon got stranded in India, at that point, bad luck began for him, and his wife and son. From that point on, Cynthia, lost the last thread of hope, for their marriage. John began seeing Yoko Ono, and she introduced him to heroin. Later he separated from Yoko, And was to become an alcoholic, hanging out in L.A. and singing songs like: 'Whatever gets you through the night, it's alright, it's alright... Do it wrong, or do it right, it's alright, it's alright. John Lennon returned to Yoko, in 1975, and they had a baby together, and he cleaned up his act. On December 8th, 1980, John Lennon was assassinated by a man, who was a deranged fan of his. He had just returned from the studio, that night, in NYC; With the new song, he and Yoko, were working on: 'Walking on thin Ice'. John Lennon was placed in a police car, bleeding heavily, from massive gunshot wounds to his chest. He was asked by the police, What is your name? He replied, John Lennon. And the world was saddened and shocked as news of his murder, Spread around the globe-It was truly the end of an era, John was dead, and Ronald Reagan, was taking power, at about the same time. Reagan never did like hippies, and tree huggers. As for Mia Farrow-I'm not sure what it is about her that attracts her to these powerful men? And I seriously doubt that any rumors from that course are true, because of all the power trips, the ego trips, and so on, and so forth...ad infinitum. r.g.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda My only live contact with John Cowhig (other than seeing him on tape or beside MMY at official movement functions) was sitting beside him as a bus took me and my fellow TTC participants to a Switzerland location and Cowhig hitched a ride with us. We were beneath contempt for him. He had a frown on his face the entire time, refused to speak or interact with us and was, up to that time, the most surly, unpleasant individual I'd ever encountered. He made Michael Yankhaus look like the hugging saint by comparison. My experience with John was always quite the opposite. He was the most personable and down-to-earth of MMY's secretaries at that time. One time I drove across Switzerland with him and another fellow in an old Mercedes with failing brakes. He entertained us most of the way with cool stories from various spiritual books I had read. Being MMY's secretary, he was under a lot of pressure to tow the line, keep secrets, etc., but he did that with grace and humor. Regarding Michael Yankaus, he went through a period of straining and being unnatural, as did many of us, but these days he is very open-minded.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...' This is what you wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Richard again: Your post seems to be essentialy the same story I posted a few days ago. No it isn't, your fabrication has nothing to do with Cynthia's account. It is an other example of proof that what you said was not true. Curtis, Richard is not concerned with truth. He just makes stuff up because he thinks he's being cute or funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...' This is what you wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Richard again: Your post seems to be essentialy the same story I posted a few days ago. No it isn't, your fabrication has nothing to do with Cynthia's account. It is an other example of proof that what you said was not true. Curtis, Richard is not concerned with truth. He just makes stuff up because he thinks he's being cute or funny. But if (perhaps an extensions of) the turq hypothesis is correct -- they are all stories -- and one story is as valid as another. There is no known truth, only various degrees of probable falseness. Richard's stories are thus just as valid as anyother post. Or so the (perhaps extended)hypothesis goes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:39 AM, authfriend wrote: But if you read *just* a little further: I came to appreciate that hard work scares success away. Success, it turns out, is inversely proportional to hard work. In other words, the less you work, the more you succeed. Or the more you work, the less you succeed. Well, I must admit, from the little I know of him, Fred certainly does live that rule. Does the book mention, I wonder, the 2 companies (at least) that he ran into the ground apparently following that philosophy? He tells about the disaster with the ice cream company on his blog: http://tinyurl.com/2kolo7 It begins: I've have had more than my share of dramatic business ups and downs. I've had breathtaking successes. I've had violent train wrecks. I danced euphorically with friends one day and I've experienced vicious betrayals the next. Everyone has something extraordinary to offer and, at the same time, everyone is seriously flawed. Even me. Especially me. And there's a chapter in the book called: Finding Success in Failure, Accidents, Mistakes, Obstacles, and Hardships It looks to me, from reading the material about the book from Gratzon and others, that it's very much along the lines of The Secret. I'm not endorsing Gratzon's approach, by the way, or suggesting that TMers haven't crafted or gotten suckered by get-rich-quick schemes. But Gratzon's book ain't one of 'em. My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Thats kind of a shakey supposition to feel one knows what others are thinking. For example, you don't know what I am thinking. If you are infering that lack of comment on this is a tacit approval or Vaj's post, I know you know that is quite a weak inference. When Vaj posted this several months ago, I raised my eyebrows. But to rehash it again several months later to me seems excessive. And not something I am interested in spending my time on. (As some may wonder, then why take time to write this post. Well, I fine your comments and reaction (marginally) interesting). They contrast IMO to your usual well honed logic.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of new.morning Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...' Curtis, Richard is not concerned with truth. He just makes stuff up because he thinks he's being cute or funny. But if (perhaps an extensions of) the turq hypothesis is correct -- they are all stories -- and one story is as valid as another. There is no known truth, only various degrees of probable falseness. Richard's stories are thus just as valid as anyother post. Or so the (perhaps extended)hypothesis goes. Sure, everything is a story. But some people try to find out what actually happened, and revise their viewpoints accordingly. Richard, on the other hand, appears to just say whatever pops into his head, some of it so silly that it's hard to believe he believes it himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...' This is what you wrote: From what I've read, the Marshy threw out the Beatles for smoking dope at TTC and he told Mia to leave after she tried to seduce him inside a cave one night. Richard again: Your post seems to be essentialy the same story I posted a few days ago. No it isn't, your fabrication has nothing to do with Cynthia's account. It is an other example of proof that what you said was not true. Curtis, Richard is not concerned with truth. He just makes stuff up because he thinks he's being cute or funny. But if (perhaps an extensions of) the turq hypothesis is correct -- they are all stories -- and one story is as valid as another. There is no known truth, only various degrees of probable falseness. Richard's stories are thus just as valid as anyother post. Or so the (perhaps extended)hypothesis goes. Read though a compendium of WillyTex's past posts. You'll change your mind. On second thought, don't. Life's too short. Hopefully it's a nice day where you live. Go out and enjoy it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of new.morning Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...' Curtis, Richard is not concerned with truth. He just makes stuff up because he thinks he's being cute or funny. But if (perhaps an extensions of) the turq hypothesis is correct -- they are all stories -- and one story is as valid as another. There is no known truth, only various degrees of probable falseness. Richard's stories are thus just as valid as anyother post. Or so the (perhaps extended)hypothesis goes. Sure, everything is a story. But some people try to find out what actually happened, Finding out what ACTUALLY happened implies finding the truth. Which implies not everything is a story. Thus the two statements above appear to be contradictory. But some hold that all contaradiction are good, particularly if you can hold them similtaneosly in your mind. I am not arguing with you (never do). I am just playfully exploring the implications of some of the themes we find in posts here: 1) There is no knowable truth 2) Everyone's view of everything - including their view of the truth, are just stories. 3) All stories have equaly validity. 4) All contradictions are good -- they are even spiritual. 5) That different stories are contradictory is thus a good and spiritual thing. 6) Thus, per this logic, Ricahrd's posts are spiritually enhancing, and are good things. Read them and evolve into greater spirituality and nonatachment to your inner stories. and revise their viewpoints accordingly. Richard, on the other hand, appears to just say whatever pops into his head, some of it so silly that it's hard to believe he believes it himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Thats kind of a shakey supposition to feel one knows what others are thinking. For example, you don't know what I am thinking. If you are infering that lack of comment on this is a tacit approval or Vaj's post, I know you know that is quite a weak inference. Nobody seems to think it's worthwhile making a post to say there's something wrong with it, let's put it that way. When Vaj posted this several months ago, I raised my eyebrows. Uh-huh. But did you mention this in a post? I don't recall anybody doing so then, and they certainly haven't this time around. But to rehash it again several months later to me seems excessive. Yeah, I just mentioned it in passing, but Vaj decided once again to deny the plain facts, and Sal tried to back him up. And not something I am interested in spending my time on. Right. That's what I don't understand, as I said earlier. Why is it of so little concern when people knowingly tell untruths here that put TM or the TMO or MMY or TMers, or even other FFL participants, in a bad light? But they go *bonkers* when an untruth is told that favors MMY or the TMO. (As some may wonder, then why take time to write this post. Well, I fine your comments and reaction (marginally) interesting). They contrast IMO to your usual well honed logic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
On Jun 3, 2007, at 12:51 PM, authfriend wrote: He tells about the disaster with the ice cream company on his blog: http://tinyurl.com/2kolo7 And blames it all on others: I remember leaving for a three-week vacation to India. When I left, the ice cream business operated as a harmonious wholeness. It was highly creative and fun. Of course, we had our disagreements, but they were never strong enough to disrupt the underlying harmony and friendship. When I returned from my trip, refreshed and recharged, I was taken aside and told that while I was away, many important changes were made. Decisions, I was told, were now being made more quickly with less discussion and undisciplined input. The sounded okay until I was told that while I was away, they cut the funding for two of my pet projects without even asking me. And this: I’d travel to various cities, meet with the press, and gave everything I had in each interview. Three or four interviews per day for several days in a row really took it out of me. I’d come home quite tired. Added to that, I’d have been out of the loop and ignorant of all the quick decisions that were being made by the guys who were organizing the distribution. Most of our ice cream distributors did miserable jobs. One even cheated us for over a hundred thousand dollars. Yet I was the one receiving more and more criticism and resentment from my so-called friends in the office. I overheard one spouse complain, “My husband does all the work but Fred gets all the credit.” And there's a lot more where that came from: rationalizations, excuses, and absolutely no ability to take responsibility for his own company. Here's your next big project right here, Judy. This guy is apparently genetically predisposed to dishonesty. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John Lennon Magic Alex- Rishikesh, 1968...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: But if (perhaps an extensions of) the turq hypothesis is correct -- they are all stories -- and one story is as valid as another. There is no known truth, only various degrees of probable falseness. Richard's stories are thus just as valid as anyother post. Or so the (perhaps extended)hypothesis goes. Read though a compendium of WillyTex's past posts. You'll change your mind. On second thought, don't. Life's too short. Hopefully it's a nice day where you live. Go out and enjoy it. You are missing my point. I did not say I beleive the above, I am simply applying the logic found in some posts, or extensions of it. I have no (stated) opinion to be changed by reading his past posts. I have read enough to draw my own (perhaps quite erroneous and hollow) conclusions about them -- my own stories. And that you cannot gladly and eagerly hold in your mind the contradictions between your view of truth and Richard's implies you are like totally not spiritual :) (All contradictions being like really spiritual. Haven't you even read Jaiami dude!?) :)
[FairfieldLife] Ever hired a development director?
Does anybody here have experience hiring a development professional for a private school? I'd like to nail down one or two questions that will make sure we select a candidate who has what it takes to succeed. My question is motivated by an interviewing experience I had years ago. In the mid-80s I interviewed for a job selling advertising for an Iowa City radio station. I met with two people. The first interview went swimmingly. I answered questions well, and we had good rapport. We talked for maybe 20 minutes. The second interviewer asked two questions that disqualified me just like that, boom. He asked, What motivates you? and How do you handle rejection? My answers were not those of a successful sales professional. In a few minutes, we both avoided making a mistake. I'm looking for one or two similar questions that would apply to a private school development director. I'm on the board of my daughter's school, where we're recruiting someone to generate donations to our endowment. We have a professionally developed job description, which is great, but hiring is an art that I've not practiced much, and an art I've never practiced for this position. So I'm looking for some insight that will help my evaluation. If you don't have an answer, do you know anybody I could talk to? I figure I'm only a few degrees removed from an expert, so I ask this question here, despite its irrelevance to Fairfield or spirituality. Perhaps answer offline to keep the list chatter down. Thanks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Thats kind of a shakey supposition to feel one knows what others are thinking. For example, you don't know what I am thinking. If you are infering that lack of comment on this is a tacit approval or Vaj's post, I know you know that is quite a weak inference. Nobody seems to think it's worthwhile making a post to say there's something wrong with it, let's put it that way. When Vaj posted this several months ago, I raised my eyebrows. Uh-huh. But did you mention this in a post? No, beacuse you had already provided a clear analysis of the situation. I had nothing more to add. Repetition and redundancy is not necessarily a virtue. But to rehash it again several months later to me seems excessive. And not something I am interested in spending my time on. Right. That's what I don't understand, as I said earlier. Why is it of so little concern when people knowingly tell untruths here Again -- you are incorrectly infering that I have no concern. You clearly stated a insighful analysis several months ago, It was the definitive statement. I had nothing to add. Several months later, I still have nothing to add. So shoot me. :) Do you want me to stand on a building top and proclaim daily Vaj is a lying weasal? (not that I feel he is -- inately. But I do find some of his claims not well supported by evidence. That does not make all of them categorically untrue, only that it is not an offering that pursuades me. But they go *bonkers* when an untruth is told that favors MMY or the TMO. Since I seemed to be lumped in with them -- I suggest that the above is not something I do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Military spending
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED Current military includes Dept. of Defense ($585 billion), the military portion from other departments ($122 billion), and an unbudgetted estimate of supplemental appropriations ($20 billion). Past military represents veterans' benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.* These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the Analytical Perspectives book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2008. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds such as Social Security that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don't pay) by April 17, 2007, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller. *Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending, most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated... http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm OffWorld Now you're making sense. You could have used the correct terms in the first place and not wasted my time. Now you're catching on. But I'm still waiting for some words of wisdom from you about the following: Why is Ron Paul diametrically opposed to everything I stand for?? I don't think you have a clue what I stand for. There are a couple of things I disagree with him on. A woman's right to choose about her own body, which I am of the believe will NEVER be overturned by the supreme court. It is impossible to do so, (and impossible to implement and police anyway)...and I am sure Ron Paul knows it is impossioble to change. It is not a major policy for him to change it. He, like me, was for Afganistan UN intervention, and against US/UK isolantionist, retarded Iraq war/quagmire. He is fiscally responsible (which I am trying to emulate :-), and he makes a strong fiscal argument for the abolition of income tax, and I believe his arguments make sense if you listen to them in detail. Looking at the titles on that site suggests nothing extreme to my views? But if you have something you think I would disagree with let me know. Ron Paul wants a non-interventionist foreign policy, which I agree with, although I disagree with withdrawing from the UN, and I actually am convinced he will never do that in practice even if he thinks he will right now. He seems like an actual nice guy in politics ! The thing about Ron Paul is he is more of a real Republican, unlike any of the other candidates. (4 out of 10 of those rednecks don't believe in evolution and think the world is 6 thousand years old) Ron Paul is by far the most popuular politician on YouTube right now. It is an incredible phenomena if it keeps up. I think he could inspire many of those who don't vote to come out and vote. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
An additional point. I think we agree that false or misleading and/or not well supported claims are not a good thing. The difference in our views appears what to do about them. Individually and the whole of them taken en masse. As you know, I regularly, if not often, question people about shakey assertions. For some posters, and people in life, I have found from experience that responding to them, simply pours more fuel on their fires of distortion. And the point of responding -- reduce false claims -- is foiled as the person is inspired to spew out even more stories. And in FFL, such exchanges can and have clogged the pathways for prodictive exchanges. For some people, pointing out of shakey claims, or asking for clarifications, result in productive dialogue. For others, it just fans the fires of falsehoods and distortions. The latter is not productive, IMO. And taking all false claims one finds in life, en masse, one cannot possible respond to all of them. And even then, some responses are at best, marginally productive. As I have learneed in life, one must pick their battles. Some posts are simply not worthy of comment, IMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Thats kind of a shakey supposition to feel one knows what others are thinking. For example, you don't know what I am thinking. If you are infering that lack of comment on this is a tacit approval or Vaj's post, I know you know that is quite a weak inference. Nobody seems to think it's worthwhile making a post to say there's something wrong with it, let's put it that way. When Vaj posted this several months ago, I raised my eyebrows. Uh-huh. But did you mention this in a post? No, beacuse you had already provided a clear analysis of the situation. I had nothing more to add. Repetition and redundancy is not necessarily a virtue. But to rehash it again several months later to me seems excessive. And not something I am interested in spending my time on. Right. That's what I don't understand, as I said earlier. Why is it of so little concern when people knowingly tell untruths here Again -- you are incorrectly infering that I have no concern. You clearly stated a insighful analysis several months ago, It was the definitive statement. I had nothing to add. Several months later, I still have nothing to add. So shoot me. :) Do you want me to stand on a building top and proclaim daily Vaj is a lying weasal? (not that I feel he is -- inately. But I do find some of his claims not well supported by evidence. That does not make all of them categorically untrue, only that it is not an offering that pursuades me. But they go *bonkers* when an untruth is told that favors MMY or the TMO. Since I seemed to be lumped in with them -- I suggest that the above is not something I do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And there's a lot more where that came from: rationalizations, excuses, and absolutely no ability to take responsibility for his own company. Here's your next big project right here, Judy. This guy is apparently genetically predisposed to dishonesty. Well, since I don't know the facts, I'm not in a position to accuse him of dishonesty. I'm not interested in him or his spiel anyway, beyond determining that his book does not constitute a get-rich-quick scheme, as Vaj falsely alleged.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. It's interesting, I have never, even for a second, thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else, for that matter--as lesser than myself. That concept is just completely foreign to me and always has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted me (or someone else), no matter what kind of falsehoods the other person has told about me (or someone or something else), no matter how blatant the hypocrisy they indulge in. -- Judy Stein, four days ago
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. Thats kind of a shakey supposition to feel one knows what others are thinking. For example, you don't know what I am thinking. If you are infering that lack of comment on this is a tacit approval or Vaj's post, I know you know that is quite a weak inference. Nobody seems to think it's worthwhile making a post to say there's something wrong with it, let's put it that way. When Vaj posted this several months ago, I raised my eyebrows. Uh-huh. But did you mention this in a post? No, beacuse you had already provided a clear analysis of the situation. I had nothing more to add. Repetition and redundancy is not necessarily a virtue. But that's not the issue, of course. It's about expressing disapproval on the record. Each individual, obviously, has to do that for him- or herself. snip Do you want me to stand on a building top and proclaim daily Vaj is a lying weasal? No, a post here expressing disapproval whenever he (or anyone else) lies would be fine. [From your later post] And taking all false claims one finds in life, en masse, one cannot possible respond to all of them. Yeah, I'm just talking about the ones on this so-called spiritual forum. And even then, some responses are at best, marginally productive. As I have learned in life, one must pick their battles. But again, it isn't a matter of battles but simply of going on the record with your disapproval when a lie is told. Even one sentence would do the trick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some posts are simply not worthy of comment, IMO. Bottom line.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Military spending
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED Current military includes Dept. of Defense ($585 billion), the military portion from other departments ($122 billion), and an unbudgetted estimate of supplemental appropriations ($20 billion). Past military represents veterans' benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.* These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the Analytical Perspectives book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2008. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds such as Social Security that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don't pay) by April 17, 2007, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller. *Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending, most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated... http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm OffWorld Now you're making sense. You could have used the correct terms in the first place and not wasted my time. Now you're catching on. It's not a question of ME catching on, it's a question of YOU writing properly so that I can understand what you mean to say. But I'm still waiting for some words of wisdom from you about the following: Why is Ron Paul diametrically opposed to everything I stand for?? Paul is for as little government intervention in our lives as possible; you are for as much government intervention in our lives as possible. I don't think you have a clue what I stand for. There are a couple of things I disagree with him on. A woman's right to choose about her own body, which I am of the believe will NEVER be overturned by the supreme court. It is impossible to do so, (and impossible to implement and police anyway)...and I am sure Ron Paul knows it is impossioble to change. It is not a major policy for him to change it. He, like me, was for Afganistan UN intervention, and against US/UK isolantionist, retarded Iraq war/quagmire. He is fiscally responsible (which I am trying to emulate :-), and he makes a strong fiscal argument for the abolition of income tax, and I believe his arguments make sense if you listen to them in detail. Looking at the titles on that site suggests nothing extreme to my views? But if you have something you think I would disagree with let me know. Ron Paul wants a non-interventionist foreign policy, which I agree with, although I disagree with withdrawing from the UN, and I actually am convinced he will never do that in practice even if he thinks he will right now. He seems like an actual nice guy in politics ! The thing about Ron Paul is he is more of a real Republican, unlike any of the other candidates. (4 out of 10 of those rednecks don't believe in evolution and think the world is 6 thousand years old) Ron Paul is by far the most popuular politician on YouTube right now. It is an incredible phenomena if it keeps up. I think he could inspire many of those who don't vote to come out and vote. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. It's interesting, I have never, even for a second, thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else, for that matter--as lesser than myself. That concept is just completely foreign to me and always has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted me (or someone else), no matter what kind of falsehoods the other person has told about me (or someone or something else), no matter how blatant the hypocrisy they indulge in. -- Judy Stein, four days ago Right. And...? When you criticize somebody, does it make you think of them as lesser than yourself? I find that just about the ultimate in absurdity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: No, beacuse you had already provided a clear analysis of the situation. I had nothing more to add. Repetition and redundancy is not necessarily a virtue. But that's not the issue, of course. Thats apparently not your issue. But it is one of my issues. Being a dialogue, you don't have a monoply on defining the issues worthy of discussion. It's about expressing disapproval on the record. Each individual, obviously, has to do that for him- or herself. Again, thats what is important to you. But there is no IT as in a universal truth as to what THE apporpriate an singular topic is in a open free-ranging forum such as this. This is not strict debating forum where a topic is laid out and any deviations are amout to deductions in ones score. snip Do you want me to stand on a building top and proclaim daily Vaj is a lying weasal? No, a post here expressing disapproval whenever he (or anyone else) lies would be fine. [From your later post] And taking all false claims one finds in life, en masse, one cannot possible respond to all of them. Yeah, I'm just talking about the ones on this so-called spiritual forum. But that is my point. If one cannot respond to all shakey claims in ones life, one must pick and choose. In this case, I chose not to comment on an issue someone else has covered and commented on. And as I said, sometimes a reponse just invokes more garbage, not reducing it. And even then, some responses are at best, marginally productive. As I have learned in life, one must pick their battles. But again, it isn't a matter of battles but simply of going on the record with your disapproval when a lie is told. Even one sentence would do the trick. You seem to be ignoring my point. Ok. But further discussion is probably not productive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. It's interesting, I have never, even for a second, thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else, for that matter--as lesser than myself. That concept is just completely foreign to me and always has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted me (or someone else), no matter what kind of falsehoods the other person has told about me (or someone or something else), no matter how blatant the hypocrisy they indulge in. -- Judy Stein, four days ago Right. And...? When you criticize somebody, does it make you think of them as lesser than yourself? I find that just about the ultimate in absurdity. You went away for a long weekend, hopefully to relax and chill a bit. And what happened when you returned? You've shot over a third of your wad of 35 posts today, *every one of them* belittling someone on this group, or as above, the *whole* group. It's your 'tude, Jude. I doubt that there is a person on this forum who doesn't believe that you look down upon almost everyone here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that there is a person on this forum who doesn't believe that you look down upon almost everyone here. Maria Sharapova would look down on most everyone here. Her being 6'3 and still growing. BTW, Curtis, did you see her squeak out a win against Patty Schnyder today in the Frnech Open? A lot of talent in that match.
[FairfieldLife] Off-World: Why Ron Paul is diametrically opposed to you and your ilk
Other-Worldly is getting all hot-to-trot on Ron Paul because of his stand on the Iraq War. Unlike him, who probably just heard about Paul in the last month or so, I've been reading Paul for years now. As such, I know him to be BEYOND a libertarian: he's an anarcho-capitalist. So I said to Other- Worldly that aside from the Iraq thing, he's diametrically opposed to pretty much everything Paul stands for. So Other_Worldly challenged me to show him why. And here's why. Let's see if other_worldly agrees with Paul on THESE issues: GUNS Ron Paul wants students to be able to have concealed weapons and arm themselves ON CAMPUS: from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul383.html Only private individuals on the scene could have prevented or lessened this tragedy. Prohibiting guns on campus made the Virginia Tech students less safe, not more. ...and... Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. RACISM from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html ...it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines. Government, through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set- asides, and welfare programs, plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails in our society. This government benevolence crowds out genuine goodwill between men by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility between us. The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies. Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. ENTITLEMENTS from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul372.html Paul wants to eliminate 60% of federal spending! For example, eliminate the entire Medicare Prescription bill. 60% pretty much does away with ALL entitlements. OIL and ENERGY from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul322.html Paul doesn't want much help or encouragement from government to develope alternative fuels: ...fewer regulations that interfere with the market development of alternative fuels. STEM CELL RESEARCH from: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul252.html Paul wants ZERO dollars from the federal government for stem cell research
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My only point is that Vaj did not tell the truth when he claimed there were links to get-rich-quick schemes from a Google search for the phrase Do nothing and accomplish everything, and that he continues to tell falsehoods in an attempt to cover up that unfortunate fact. As usual, though, nobody but me seems to think there's anything wrong with that. It's interesting, I have never, even for a second, thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else, for that matter--as lesser than myself. That concept is just completely foreign to me and always has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted me (or someone else), no matter what kind of falsehoods the other person has told about me (or someone or something else), no matter how blatant the hypocrisy they indulge in. -- Judy Stein, four days ago Right. And...? When you criticize somebody, does it make you think of them as lesser than yourself? I find that just about the ultimate in absurdity. You went away for a long weekend, hopefully to relax and chill a bit. And what happened when you returned? You've shot over a third of your wad of 35 posts today, *every one of them* belittling someone on this group, or as above, the *whole* group. It's your 'tude, Jude. I doubt that there is a person on this forum who doesn't believe that you look down upon almost everyone here. I gather your answer to my question is yes. When you criticize somebody, it means you're looking down on them, thinking of them as lesser than yourself. As I said, to me that's just about the ultimate in absurdity. But I hope it keeps you warm at night.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Dector: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I doubt that there is a person on this forum who doesn't believe that you look down upon almost everyone here. Maria Sharapova would look down on most everyone here. Her being 6'3 and still growing. BTW, Curtis, did you see her squeak out a win against Patty Schnyder today in the Frnech Open? A lot of talent in that match. What a fabulous ending! Testament to why Women's Tennis is far superior to the Men's: 1) none of that long, drawn-out 5 sets. 2) better looking than the men. 3) Nothing better than sweating babes in short skirts. 4) A fine selection of lesbian tennis players which, of course, adds to the tittilation.
