[FairfieldLife] Rudra Abhishek

[shukra69]

http://www.maharishichannel.org/
is broadcasting now. Maharishi can be seen in the Holland feed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response - Shankara's death.

[matrixmonitor]

--Thanks.  The bio of Shankara says that a Tantrik Buddhist cast a 
spell on Shankara and shortly thereafter Shankara developed an anal 
fistula and died. Is this type of event indicative of what's going on 
in Fairfield?  I live in California.
 "
Within a few days, the Tantrikas of Kamarupa influenced by the 
Buddhists and led by a Kashmiri Tantrik Abhinava Gupta, challenged 
the Acharya to debate. Abhinava Gupta tried his best to hold his own 
but facing the uncommon genius of the Acharya, who was the very 
embodiment of Sridevi, was something quite beyond his caliber. He had 
to admit his defeat. As a result, people became attached to Vedic 
dharma and following the rituals laid down by Rishis like 
Yagnavalkya, engaged in the worship of the Divine mother by modes of 
Samayachara.
   Abhinava Gupta was not only a powerful Tantrika, but also a very 
renowned scholar. Refuting Vedanta, he had written a Shakta 
commentary on the Brahma sutra. Defeated in argument, Abhinava Gupta 
considered himself deeply offended and humiliated. He realized that 
there was no scholar in the whole world who could defeat the 
scholarship of the Acharya. As long as the Acharya was alive, the 
destruction of Vamachara and of gory Tantrik rituals was inevitable. 
He engaged himself in secret magical rites to bring about the 
Acharya's death.
   Within a few days, signs of an incurable ailment - anal fistula - 
manifested itself in the Acharya's body. The illness became gradually 
more serious and the pain was insufferable. There was suppuration and 
bleeding. The Acharya was however calm and unruffled. He continued 
giving instructions to various spiritual aspirants without giving a 
single thought to his body or pain. The disease worsened. The Acharya 
became extremely weak. Even in that state, the Acharya remained calm 
and continued to guide his devotees. The supreme Acharya even refused 
to cure himself, which was just a matter of silly game for him. The 
disciples were greatly concerned for their beloved master and 
attended on him to the best of their abilities. Padmapada became 
anxious for proper medical treatment of the ailment. Asking for 
permission to send for a doctor, they requested the Acharya.
   With a smile, the Acharya said, " My sons, why are you so 
agitated? A disease is cured only cured through suffering and even if 
it is inevitable that I should die of it, I have not the slightest 
regrets. Do not make futile efforts at treatment".
   Hearing word of such indifference from their Guru, the disciples 
held back their tears with great difficulty and said, " Lord of the 
Yogis, Indeed you have not the slightest attachment to your body, but 
master, you are our life even as water is life to the creatures that 
live in it. Saints live for the good of the world even though they 
themselves have attained their objects of self-realization and are 
without any desire. You should save yourself for the good of the 
others. We know that you will not use your limitless powers to cure 
yourself. But at least allow us to do what is best possible by us".
   At this importunate request, the Acharya's heart was overcome with 
pity. He gave permission for doctors to be brought. The royal 
physician of that country began treating the Acharya using powerful 
drugs. But the illness showed not the slightest signs of abatement 
and on the contrary worsened day by day. All physicians who tried to 
cure the Acharya gave up hope. The disciples were plunged in sorrow. 
Meanwhile the overjoyed Abhinava Gupta waited for the moment when the 
Acharya would breathe his last. The Acharya meanwhile bore in silence 
the terrible pain of his illness and prepared for death.






- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- Alex Stanley 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >   Hi Vaj. Yes Vaj. Their mythos just is expansive
> > > enough to
> > > > talk extensively about channels of mind-body
> > > coordination 
> > > >(nadi), internal life-energy flows (prana-vayu )and
> > > point-
> > > > essences (bindu). You don't believe this kind of
> > > mythos 
> > > > do you Vaj?
> > > 
> > > I don't see myself paying any attention to the
> > > mythos of physiology
> > > until hanging out with Rory and Tom T starts giving
> > > me an anal fistula.
> > 
> > "Anal fistula?" Is that legal in Iowa?
> 
> I dunno... that's a question for Vaj, FFL's resident anal fistula 
expert.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> --- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >   Hi Vaj. Yes Vaj. Their mythos just is expansive
> > enough to
> > > talk extensively about channels of mind-body
> > coordination 
> > >(nadi), internal life-energy flows (prana-vayu )and
> > point-
> > > essences (bindu). You don't believe this kind of
> > mythos 
> > > do you Vaj?
> > 
> > I don't see myself paying any attention to the
> > mythos of physiology
> > until hanging out with Rory and Tom T starts giving
> > me an anal fistula.
> 
> "Anal fistula?" Is that legal in Iowa?

I dunno... that's a question for Vaj, FFL's resident anal fistula expert.

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY Tower

[Lsoma]

 
In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:58:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
> I drive by the tower everyday when I do my evening program. I'm amazed  
that they have got so much of it built since it was almost nothing last week. 
It  
is my understanding that the Pundits will chant on Guru Purnama at the tower. 
 Does anybody know what time it will be? I arrived in Fairfield IA on July 
10th  and have signed a year lease. There are many things happening in town. I 
went to  an open mike at a small Paradiso Cafe and attended an astrology class  
Thursday night where around 15 people analyzed my chart. The organic buffet 
at  the MUM campus is very good. Even though I am not allowed in the dome I  
participate in my own way. I even enjoy the pizza buffet in town since I am  
Italian and grew up with pasta and pizza. As far as all of the Ego that goes  
into the celebration of the tower and the materials that it is built out of I'm 
 
happy
 I don't have to pay anything to have it built. When I drive by I  wonder how 
much it costs. Maybe steel
is cheaper than natural wood. I have no idea. We all know the movement has  
its own way of doing things to keep their image western and conservative. I'm  
just happy to be here and experiencing the deep silence that is offered to us  
through the efforts of everyone in Vedic City, MUM and the town of Fairfield. 
I  feel that Bevan, Tony Nader and John Haglin know that MMY is on his last 
leg and  are offering the Tower of Invincibility to him for all he has done. 
There is a  slight chance he will appear here. A slight chance. I'm not 
predicting that he  will be here. I just feel he could surprise everyone. If he 
doesn't come then  the only way MUM will ever see him again would be on the 
space 
ship he will ride  in after his passing over. That would take some of the air 
out of their  conservative balloon. Love and Light Lsoma.

 
 
 
suziezuzie wrote:
> The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is  this vastu correct? 
> Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which  I know MMY is 
> concerned about. 
>
>
> 
Why a  tower? To me that is just a sign of extreme egoism.


 


 



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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is this vastu correct? 
> Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which I know MMY is 
> concerned about.
>


They should make it out of papier mache.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[Peter]

--- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >   Hi Vaj. Yes Vaj. Their mythos just is expansive
> enough to
> > talk extensively about channels of mind-body
> coordination 
> >(nadi), internal life-energy flows (prana-vayu )and
> point-
> > essences (bindu). You don't believe this kind of
> mythos 
> > do you Vaj?
> 
> I don't see myself paying any attention to the
> mythos of physiology
> until hanging out with Rory and Tom T starts giving
> me an anal fistula.

"Anal fistula?" Is that legal in Iowa?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[Peter]

--- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is
> this vastu correct? 
> > Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which
> I know MMY is 
> > concerned about.
> 
> I think that'll only be a problem for folks living
> inside the tower.
> 
> I have noticed, though, that some of the new SV
> buildings in FF are
> steel framed, and I think they've decided that $$$
> is more important
> than quality of materials. In the new additions to
> our own house, we
> used fiberglass rebar in the living spaces as much
> as possible in
> order to keep steel content to a minimum.

Remember, this is the TMO. As long as it looks SV then
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:

> I have noticed, though, that some of the new SV buildings in FF are
> steel framed, and I think they've decided that $$$ is more important
> than quality of materials.

Which of course, defeats the whole purpose of building an SV home in 
the first place.  Way to go, siddhas.

>  In the new additions to our own house, we
> used fiberglass rebar in the living spaces as much as possible in
> order to keep steel content to a minimum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is this vastu correct? 
> Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which I know MMY is 
> concerned about.

I think that'll only be a problem for folks living inside the tower.

I have noticed, though, that some of the new SV buildings in FF are
steel framed, and I think they've decided that $$$ is more important
than quality of materials. In the new additions to our own house, we
used fiberglass rebar in the living spaces as much as possible in
order to keep steel content to a minimum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[george_deforest]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> suziezuzie wrote:
> > The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is this vastu correct?
> > Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which I know MMY is
> > concerned about.
> >
> >
> >
> Why a tower?  To me that is just a sign of extreme egoism.
>

the TMO's Tombstone

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY Tower

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 5:04 PM, suziezuzie wrote:


The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is this vastu correct?
Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which I know MMY is
concerned about.



:-O=})}

[FairfieldLife] finally, a tombstone for Bevan?

[George DeForest]

Maharishi's Extraordinary Gifts

Culminating in a Tower of Invincibility Construction on the Maharishi
Tower of Invincibility began on June 17 and will be completed in time
for the Guru Purnima Celebration July 29. The Tower will be 45 feet
high and covered with inscriptions to commemorate the remarkable
achievements of the Invincible America Assembly.

We are now completing the most significant year in the history of the
University and Maharishi's Worldwide Movement for the Transcendental
Meditation(r) program— the year of the Invincible America Assembly to
crown America with permanent invincibility.

The Assembly began on July 23, 2006, under the leadership of Dr. John
Hagelin and Dr. Bevan Morris, and by now everyone is aware of the
results — the immediate and sustained upturn in the economy, the
rising support for peace among the American people and in Congress,
even the absence of hurricanes.

And Maharishi has sent gift after gift — hundreds of Yogic Flying
Vedic Pandits, the PurushaSM program, the Purusha Rajas, the Raj
Rajeshwaris.

By far the most significant gift was his daily attention to the
Assembly, his personal guidance of "Number One" experiences —
masterpieces of experience, as Maharishi called them — which have been
so very fulfilling to him. In the course of his interactions with
Assembly participants, Maharishi has brought out knowledge he said he
had been waiting 50 years to say. His guidance has resulted in even
more profound depth of experience.

So significant has this past year been that Maharishi has invited the
University to build a Maharishi Tower of Invincibility to commemorate
the magnificent achievements of the Invincible America Assembly for
all future generations.

Since October 2006, nearly 500 Yogic Flying Vedic Pandits have joined
the Invincible America Assembly at Maharishi University of Management
and Maharishi Vedic City.

The Maharishi Tower of Invincibility will be one of the campus's most
striking features. Dr. Eike Hartmann has designed a square structure
45 feet high, with a stepped dome and a golden Kalash. Each of the
four sides is 15 feet wide and will be covered with inscribed white
marble panels:

The eastern panel will celebrate Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmananda
Saraswati, through whose grace the Invincible America Assembly has
dawned.

The second panel will honor Maharaja Nader Raam, His Excellency Dr.
Bevan Morris, and His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin.

The third panel will honor the Howard and Alice Settle Foundation for
an Invincible America, which has provided financial support for the
establishment of a permanent group of at least 2,500 Yogic Flyers in
the United States.

The fourth panel will honor Maharishi University of Management and all
those who gave their service and generous gifts to make the Invincible
America Assembly possible.

The Maharishi Tower of Invincibility is positioned on the hill between
the two Golden Domes. It will be surrounded by a beautiful garden and
viewing areas, with four powerful searchlights aimed into the sky. The
steel structure is being erected and the white marble tiles are being
placed even now.

Maharishi is deeply inspired by the building of the Maharishi Tower of
Invincibility and is now asking others around the world to also create
similar Maharishi Towers of Invincibility in their countries. Join us
in inaugurating the first Tower July 29.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY Tower

[Bhairitu]

suziezuzie wrote:
> The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is this vastu correct? 
> Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which I know MMY is 
> concerned about. 
>
>
>   
Why a tower?  To me that is just a sign of extreme egoism.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Extorting Your Doctor or Insurance Co. for Health Reasons'

[Bhairitu]

Robert Gimbel wrote:
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I just had a major shouting match with my health insurance company.  I 
wanted to drop the dental coverage so over a week ago filled out their 
online contact form to inquire about the procedure.  I got nothing.  No 
auto responder email and everything was filled out properly on the 
form.  After sitting on hold for about a half an hour I finally got a 
CSR who gave me lame excuses about the online form (after they played a 
whole bunch of message while I was on hold about using it for your 
convenience).   As it stands they have to mail me a form to fill out to 
cancel the dental.  I asked if that was available as a PDF for download 
but no it isn't (again a lame excuse).  So I let her have as what a scam 
operation they are and to pass that along to management.   For all the 
money I pay them they should provide better online services but it is a 
joke.  It looks nice but there's really nothing there.  When did it 
become vogue to use a crime model to run a business?

I'm dropping the dental care because individual plans are lousy and 
don't cover very much.  For four months of the cost of the dental I got 
13 months of a discount plan through a GE company (yeah I know the 
military industrial monster) which also gives me prescription and eye 
care discounts.   And a lot more dentists will take the discount plan 
where many won't the dental plan.  The discount plan web site is 
magnitudes better and their CSRs much more personable.

Oh and my health insurance company wants to start charging me $2 for 
them to send me a bill instead of letting them raid my bank account.

[FairfieldLife] URGENT note: LOCATION CHANGE for Guru Purnima celebration Sunday in NYC

[george_deforest]

-- Forwarded message --
From: TM program - NYC http://globalcountry.net/> >
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:35:03 -0400
Subject: URGENT note: LOCATION CHANGE for Guru Purnima celebration
Sunday







Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators,

It is a great joy to invite you to a grand global celebration on Sunday
July 29, from 12 noon to 3PM, at our beautiful garden property at 24
Northern Boulevard, in Old Brookville, New York, to lay the foundation
stone for the Maharishi Tower of Invincibility for the New York Domain
of the Global Country of World Peace. Please join Dr. Bevan Morris,
Prime Minister of  the Global Country of World Peace; Dr, John Hagelin,
Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace;
Raja Paul, Raja of New York;  Raja John Konhaus, Raja of California;
Raja Rogers, Raja of Hawaii; New York  Domain Ministers of the Global
Country of World Peace; ambassadors, government leaders, and the press,
as we are connected by live video conference to MERU  Holland, and
Maharishi Vedic City. Enjoy the lush gardens of the property, and a
picnic lunch (lunch served at 12 noon) from the cool of a grand
celebration tent. At Maharishi's request, this will replace the
celebration that was to take place on Broad Street

On this day, Towers of Invincibility are being raised throughout the
world to commemorate the dedication of the patriots of this generation,
who are engaged in bringing invincibility to their nation through the
group practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs
including Yogic Flying, which spreads waves of intense coherence in
collective consciousness, creating an integrated, invincible national
consciousness.

This global celebration is taking place on the day known in the Vedic
calendar as Guru Purnima, the full moon day in July when we
traditionally celebrate the fullness of our teacher and his teaching.
Guru  Purnima is celebrated every year in honor of the eternal tradition
of Vedic Masters who have safeguarded in its completeness and purity the
knowledge of  total Natural Law, which administers the universe with
perfect order. On this Guru Purnima Day, foundation stones of Towers of
Invincibility will be laid at noon in 50 Countries around the world,
starting in New Zealand, and continuing  throughout 18 hours of global
celebration, following the sun to Australia,  Japan, China, India,
Europe, leading up to our celebration at noon in Old Brookville New
York, proceeding on to Maharishi Vedic City where the first Tower of
Invincibility is being constructed between the Golden Domes of Maharishi
University of Management, and culminating with a celebration in
California.

Throughout the time of this global celebration, at the Brahmasthan of
India-the geographical center of the land of the Veda-groups  of Vedic
Pandits from the Vedic families of India will be reciting Ati
Rudrabhishek, a powerful Vedic performance that uses the sounds of Veda,
the sounds of the Constitution of the Universe, to enliven the field of
infinite silence, infinite peace, in world consciousness.

For those who cannot attend in person, these 18 hours of recitation and
the Long Island and MUM ceremonies will be broadcast simultaneously on
the Maharishi Channel (www.MOU.org  ), and will be
available on the
Internet through the Global Country of World  Peace website. As they dig
the earth and lay the foundation stone for their Tower of Invincibility,
everyone will be able to watch and hear the live performance of Ati
Rudrabhishek by the Vedic Pandits in India.

As the sun moves from its zenith, in place after place after place, the
whole world will be thrilling with this Vedic performance for perpetual
world peace from the center of India. This  will be the great day when
Maharishi will celebrate with the whole world the Dawn of Global
Invincibility, which Maharishi has said will mark the beginning of a new
era of human life. It will be called Year One of Global Invincibility
for the human race, and with that will be the unity of the world under
the administration of Maharaja Nader Raam the first ruler of the Global
Country of World Peace.

There is no charge for this event and hope you will be able to find
transportation by car or the LIRR and join us. We look forward to
celebrating with you on this auspicious Guru Purnima Day.

With all best wishes,

Jai Guru  Dev

Raja Paul

>>>  see also:
http://mum.edu/goodnews/07_07_26.html

[FairfieldLife] MMY Tower

[suziezuzie]

The MMY Tower now going up is made of steel. Is this vastu correct? 
Steel presents an electro magnectic problem which I know MMY is 
concerned about. 

[FairfieldLife] SaDaGga (H-K -transliteration convention): six angas

[cardemaister]

Well, yogacuuDaamaNyupaniSat seems to mention "only"
six (SaT, shhaT) an.gas (SaDan.ga), starting from /aasana/:

aasanaM praaNasa.nrodhaH pratyaahaarashcha dhaaraNaa .
dhyaana.n samaadhiretaani yogaa~Ngaani bhavanti shhaT*.h .. 2..

*shhaT: ITX for (H-K) SaT (when followed by a vowel: SaD)

RE: [FairfieldLife] 'Round is better than square...'

[Rick Archer]

Hey Robert,

 

Have you forgotten that you’re over limit for the week? New count starts
tonight at midnight.

 

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all faiths have in common, and founded an interfaith movement to help young 
people to embrace their common humanity through their faith. This young social 
entrepreneur offers us a powerful way to deal with one of the most important 
issues of our time." — President Bill Clinton 
The lessons we learn when we are young, Eboo Patel writes, determine the 
commitments we carry the rest of our lives. Even so, many  organizations only 
pay lip service to the importance of youth programs; few devote substantial 
time and effort to them. 
But there is a  segment of our world that fully understands that young people 
are a combustible combination of power and  fragility. Preachers in the 
bigotry-driven Christian Identity movement pay special attention to young 
people. Yitzhak Rabin' s assassin was a twenty-five-year-old observant Jew. 
Muslim extremists run madrasas with the clear-cut goal of teaching youth that 
violence is the answer. Youth programs are the focus of the institutions 
created by these religious totalitarians and at the center of their strategies. 
All too often, young people are the perpetrators of the devastating acts of 
violence that define these groups. 
Acts of Faith interweaves accounts of how religious totalitarian groups engage 
youth with Patel' s own story of growing up Muslim and angry in America. His 
unique understanding of the importance of  positively engaging religious youth 
led him to found the Interfaith Youth Core, an energetic organization that 
seeks to counter religious  totalitarianism by building an interfaith, 
pluralistic youth movement. Addressing the key questions of this emerging  
movement, Patel shows us how to engage religious conservatives and, most 
importantly, how to positively focus the fires of youth. 
" Eboo Patel is an exciting new voice of a new America. Diverse but not 
divisive, hopeful but not utopian. He is an American Indian whose roots are not 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Marek Reavis]

Dialogue below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
> 
> > In your opinion (and others), that was ultimately a bad decision, but
> > I feel that Maharishi's initial impulse was sincere and came from
> > heartfelt enthusiasm that what he was doing was following the
> > inspiration he received from Guru Dev.
> 
> I used to believe this as well. But once I began to hear that, even  
> as early as the Beatles, they were clued in as to his business  
> posturing and "plans" -and- I had heard that SBS had told him (wildly  
> paraphrased)'Mahesh go to the mountains and meditate otherwise the  
> only thing you'll ever be good at is making money', that clued me  
> into the inescapable conclusion that there was very clearly a money  
> motive behind all the Vedic drama. Bizarrely, there is also a modicum  
> of sincerity that one can sense. But we are can all be sincere in our  
> jobs if we and our families are the ones that benefit!
> 
> > And for me (and obviously, several others) for whom his meditation
> > has proven itself to be of the highest value, it's kind of difficult
> > to find fault, even while recognizing that there are problems and
> > issues in the way his movement has played out and the fallout that
> > has caused in many others' lives.
> 
> Well I would have to agree that, for me, in the early stages of  
> meditation praxis, it was very good for me.
> 
> But having said that, I should also tell you that I've had numerous  
> traditional Vedic astrologers and sages tell me that it was 'in the  
> stars' that I would refind my previous devata (and that turned out to  
> be the case). It just happened that TYM did that for me...so I do  
> complain as a satisfied ($35) customer! :-)))
> 
> I just don't want it to be seen as the "be all and end all" of  
> meditation methods. I feel that is deceitful and dishonest
> 
> .
> 
> I do believe I may have overdone my messages...my apologies, I will  
> subtract and be mindful not to be so distracted in the future!
>


**end**

It seems obvious that no technique is the be all or end all; spiritual
practice is just what it is and folks find themselves attracted to one
thing or the other because that's what fits for them at the time. 
And, for what it's worth, my personality isn't particularly congruent
with Maharishi's business orientation or his movement's marketing
schemes; they seem wildly out of touch with the time and with the
'product' itself; counterproductive, in my opinion.

And who knows what was said or not said, meant or not meant, intended
or otherwise regarding anything we've heard about Guru Dev's
instructions to Maharishi. Maharishi seems to revel in business
schemes and apparently enjoys the accumulation of wealth; but even
Guru Dev, who by the accounts I've read, lived an entirely ascetic
life even as Shankaracharya, still framed many of his teaching within
the context of business dealings, profit and loss, etc.  Speaking to a
particular audience, perhaps, or maybe he also evaluated things in
similar terms himself; who knows?

It took me a while to really glom on to my Ishtadevata, but at some
point it really caught.  Since so many of us learned during our
student years and consequently we share the same Ishta, I wonder what
that says about the need of the time, or what may have been the
constitution of the cohort that we all derive from.  You probably know
that Nisargadatta, although generally dismissive of any talk or
speculation re reincarnation, said on more than one occasion that
those born in the West are reaping the rewards for their service to
Rama as soldiers in the monkey army because here they get to fuck and
fight to their hearts' content.  Some of us, however, have realized
that "heaven" ain't all that it's cracked up to be and have started
looking for Rama again.

No apologies to me, Brother, I appreciate all that you do very much.

Marek

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:33 PM, cardemaister wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:23 PM, John wrote:
>
> > IMHO, Patanjali's yoga sutras are detailing the science of
> > yoga.
>
>
> Unfortunately, that's the exact opposite of what it is: it's
actually
> the sparsest of sketches. In order to actually learn what it's
> referring to, one needs to use quite a few other texts which do go
> into exquisite detail.
>

E=mc² ;)



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content:-).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:23 PM, John wrote:
> 
> > IMHO, Patanjali's yoga sutras are detailing the science of
> > yoga.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, that's the exact opposite of what it is: it's 
actually  
> the sparsest of sketches. In order to actually learn what it's  
> referring to, one needs to use quite a few other texts which do go  
> into exquisite detail.
>


E=mc² ;)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:


In your opinion (and others), that was ultimately a bad decision, but
I feel that Maharishi's initial impulse was sincere and came from
heartfelt enthusiasm that what he was doing was following the
inspiration he received from Guru Dev.


I used to believe this as well. But once I began to hear that, even  
as early as the Beatles, they were clued in as to his business  
posturing and "plans" -and- I had heard that SBS had told him (wildly  
paraphrased)'Mahesh go to the mountains and meditate otherwise the  
only thing you'll ever be good at is making money', that clued me  
into the inescapable conclusion that there was very clearly a money  
motive behind all the Vedic drama. Bizarrely, there is also a modicum  
of sincerity that one can sense. But we are can all be sincere in our  
jobs if we and our families are the ones that benefit!



And for me (and obviously, several others) for whom his meditation
has proven itself to be of the highest value, it's kind of difficult
to find fault, even while recognizing that there are problems and
issues in the way his movement has played out and the fallout that
has caused in many others' lives.


Well I would have to agree that, for me, in the early stages of  
meditation praxis, it was very good for me.


But having said that, I should also tell you that I've had numerous  
traditional Vedic astrologers and sages tell me that it was 'in the  
stars' that I would refind my previous devata (and that turned out to  
be the case). It just happened that TYM did that for me...so I do  
complain as a satisfied ($35) customer! :-)))


I just don't want it to be seen as the "be all and end all" of  
meditation methods. I feel that is deceitful and dishonest


.

I do believe I may have overdone my messages...my apologies, I will  
subtract and be mindful not to be so distracted in the future!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> It's upside is that it was easily disseminated and easy to do, so  
> millions took up the practice--there has to be some positive effect  
> from that (even, possibly, if most quit), and for that we should all  
> be grateful to MMY and really SBS. Even if all the negative stories  
> are true, it's likely IMO that his mere presence acted as catalyst  
> for seeding the idea "it's good to meditate" into world consciousness.

Bingo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 
> Vaj, first of all, though Maharishi was snubbing tradition in his 
> willingness to leave the yamas and niyamas of Patanjali out of his 
> teachings and techniques, it was that revolutionary aspect of his 
> teaching that brought even the idea of meditation into the Western 
> world and made it part of popular Western culture.
> 
> In your opinion (and others), that was ultimately a bad decision, but 
> I feel that Maharishi's initial impulse was sincere and came from 
> heartfelt enthusiasm that what he was doing was following the 
> inspiration he received from Guru Dev.  His impulse wasn't to make 
> meditation available just for the few lucky ones, it seems to have 
> been to make it available for all.  To whatever degree his intentions 
> were unmet or later modified, it really seems unlikely to me that he 
> was trying to pervert the tradition; it seems more reasonable to 
> assume that he was trying to expand the tradition beyond the cultural 
> restrictions, as he saw them to be at the time, as all his speeches 
> and writings in the first 10 years or so of his coming out of India 
> express.
> 
> And for me (and obviously, several others) for whom his meditation 
> has proven itself to be of the highest value, it's kind of difficult 
> to find fault, even while recognizing that there are problems and 
> issues in the way his movement has played out and the fallout that 
> has caused in many others' lives.
> 
> Marek

Nicely put! I think we have solved this enigma called MMY! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   That is why mastery of the Yama and Niyama limbs are not really
requirements for mastery of the inner limbs, or sanyama, but are
rather valuable adjuncts. 

This is correct: "It is wrong to assume that unless the senses are
controlled one cannot realize the Truth. As a matter of fact, the
converse is truethe senses come under complete control only with
the light of realization.." MMY Gita 2vs59.

Grace and Effort go hand in hand!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---Thanks, I agree with the assessment (below). In retrospect, MMY 
> failed at both the science aspect and the religion/spirituality 
> aspect.  By siding with the religious/spiritual aspect, fewer people 
> may have initially started TM, but we would be left with a core group 
> of dedicated, spiritually-oriented practitioners who consistently 
> practice through the years, throughout all circumstances; ending up 
> (as a net result), more people currently practicing, and larger local 
> groups in various cities..

That's very possible, but that was MMY's decision and it is his org..
such is life.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Marek Reavis]

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
> 
> > This (above) is a good capsule of what Maharishi's original
> > intentions were, I feel, when he started teaching in the west. 
Yoga
> > is so empirical in nature and practice and most religions 
promulgate
> > most, if not all, of the elements contained in the yamas and 
niyamas
> > that Maharishi could have very reasonably felt that any individual
> > following the tenets of their culture and religion while at the 
same
> > time practicing TM would get the substance of Patanjali's 8 limbs.
> > It was a nice and emminently practical scheme.
> 
> I can't see how anyone could take perverting a tradition which 
works  
> as "practical". The mechanics of why the prerequisites work are 
well  
> known to real yogis...and they keep creating real samadhic 
absorptions.
> 
> If we don't meet the prerequisites of samadhi, we likely won't get 
it  
> or keep it--even if we round for hundreds of years. That's not to 
say  
> some great people of exceptional circumstance could not or will 
not,  
> but I feel we should gear a system of practice for as many people 
as  
> possible, not just the few lucky ones.
>

**end**

Vaj, first of all, though Maharishi was snubbing tradition in his 
willingness to leave the yamas and niyamas of Patanjali out of his 
teachings and techniques, it was that revolutionary aspect of his 
teaching that brought even the idea of meditation into the Western 
world and made it part of popular Western culture.

In your opinion (and others), that was ultimately a bad decision, but 
I feel that Maharishi's initial impulse was sincere and came from 
heartfelt enthusiasm that what he was doing was following the 
inspiration he received from Guru Dev.  His impulse wasn't to make 
meditation available just for the few lucky ones, it seems to have 
been to make it available for all.  To whatever degree his intentions 
were unmet or later modified, it really seems unlikely to me that he 
was trying to pervert the tradition; it seems more reasonable to 
assume that he was trying to expand the tradition beyond the cultural 
restrictions, as he saw them to be at the time, as all his speeches 
and writings in the first 10 years or so of his coming out of India 
express.

And for me (and obviously, several others) for whom his meditation 
has proven itself to be of the highest value, it's kind of difficult 
to find fault, even while recognizing that there are problems and 
issues in the way his movement has played out and the fallout that 
has caused in many others' lives.

Marek

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:30 PM, BillyG. wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>

> I can't see how anyone could take perverting a tradition which works
> as "practical". The mechanics of why the prerequisites work are well
> known to real yogis...and they keep creating real samadhic  
absorptions.

>
> If we don't meet the prerequisites of samadhi, we likely won't  
get it
> or keep it--even if we round for hundreds of years. That's not to  
say

> some great people of exceptional circumstance could not or will not,
> but I feel we should gear a system of practice for as many people as
> possible, not just the few lucky ones.

I think it was practical because it transcended Religious barriers. It
appealed to a vastly larger audience that otherwiseand the bottom
line, it was practical for ME. MMY made me!


It's upside is that it was easily disseminated and easy to do, so  
millions took up the practice--there has to be some positive effect  
from that (even, possibly, if most quit), and for that we should all  
be grateful to MMY and really SBS. Even if all the negative stories  
are true, it's likely IMO that his mere presence acted as catalyst  
for seeding the idea "it's good to meditate" into world consciousness.




Ultimately, though, like you suggested, compromises were made and that
lessened the effectiveness!


Well, he was fortunate, he had SSRS to upgrade to TM 2.0b as his  
catalysis waned. A very successful upgrade it would seem! I bet  
they're up to 2.5 by now!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:23 PM, John wrote:


IMHO, Patanjali's yoga sutras are detailing the science of
yoga.



Unfortunately, that's the exact opposite of what it is: it's actually  
the sparsest of sketches. In order to actually learn what it's  
referring to, one needs to use quite a few other texts which do go  
into exquisite detail.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 



> I can't see how anyone could take perverting a tradition which works  
> as "practical". The mechanics of why the prerequisites work are well  
> known to real yogis...and they keep creating real samadhic absorptions.
> 
> If we don't meet the prerequisites of samadhi, we likely won't get it  
> or keep it--even if we round for hundreds of years. That's not to say  
> some great people of exceptional circumstance could not or will not,  
> but I feel we should gear a system of practice for as many people as  
> possible, not just the few lucky ones.


I think it was practical because it transcended Religious barriers. It
appealed to a vastly larger audience that otherwiseand the bottom
line, it was practical for ME.  MMY made me! 

Ultimately, though, like you suggested, compromises were made and that
lessened the effectiveness!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[John]

TM is actually deriving its principles from Patanjali and the B. 
Gita.  IMHO, Patanjali's yoga sutras are detailing the science of 
yoga.  However, the B Gita is revealing the practical aspects or 
application of yoga.  In effect, yoga essentially is NOT for the 
timid.  There comes a time when a yogi must take ACTION as Nature 
wishes it to happen.

Failure to do so makes the individual unsuccessful here on earth and 
in heaven.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Krishna's teaching is from and within a different
> context than Patanjali.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Poor Arjuna. He was a warrior and was instructed by
> > Lord Krishna to follow his dharma and fight. That
> > means he could not follow Patanjali's practice of
> > non-harming (ahimsa) without regard to time, place
> > or intent. Nor could any of the other warriors for
> > that matter. Although many of them practiced intense
> > yoga tapas (austerity) to obtain martial arts
> > siddhis they really must have only been practicing a
> > form of yoga-lite McMeditation. 
> >
> >   Don't you just feel sorry for poor Arjuna? He
> > killed people in battle. He therefore wasn't
> > qualified for yama-niyama nor sannyasa
> > (renunciation). He was not qualified for the inner
> > limbs used in sanyama - dharana, dhyana, samadhi.
> > Too bad - must have had bad karma.
> >
> >   Poor Krishna. He was a warrior and killed people
> > too. He wasn't qualified to do sanyama either. To
> > bad. He must have had bad karma.
> >
> >   The unqualified teaching the unqualified. What is
> > this world coming to?
> >
> >   empty
> >
> >   
> > "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   MMY took the essential teachings of the
> > Sanatana Dharma of India
> > (eternal Religion of the Vedas)and made them into a
> > science.
> > 
> > In order to do this he had to sever certain parts of
> > Patanjali's
> > teachings in order to teach it as a Science. Limbs 1
> > and 2 are NOT
> > being taught by the TMorg, but MMY concedes they are
> > necessary in his
> > BG and must be practiced simultaneously with the
> > other 6. (page 363)
> > Limbs 1 and 2 are *Religious* in nature!
> > 
> > The reason he did it was to reach as many as
> > possible by tailoring it
> > to meet the needs (or mentality) of the day, some
> > compromises were
> > made, but essentially TM is yoga-lite for modernity.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[billy jim]

Yep drP. Ain't it so. And MMY talked about this in the old days - late 60's and 
early 70's.
   
  It is this "different context" which is the difference between a renunciate's 
life and a householder's life. It is the difference between walking away from 
social responsibility to focus on individual development versus balancing those 
two values in a single human life.
   
  Patanjali's text was codified within the renunciate's tradition. Ahimsa 
(non-harming), as a formal requirement, reflects this definition. This is why 
the idea that householders can't get enlightened is so fixed in the hindu and 
buddhist lineages. In India, if you are not a sannyasin then no one will listen 
to you - except ignorant westerners and a few women. At least in the past. Now 
of course you have a chance to turn the whole thing into a type of business, 
based in part upon the TMO model combined with slavish forms of guru worship.
   
  Based upon Patanjali's path, no martial artist, police officer, military 
officer or sexually active man or woman will ever, nor can ever be an 
enlightened person. This is also the authorized conclusion of the Theravada 
Buddhists. In fact, according to them, if you return to a householder's life 
after realizing the Arhat stage then this proves that you are not an Arhat. The 
only exception to this for Patanjali is if Ishvara grants liberation to one of 
his devotees. Ishvara does so only "because he can".
   
  That is why mastery of the Yama and Niyama limbs are not really requirements 
for mastery of the inner limbs, or sanyama, but are rather valuable adjuncts. 
   
  We have heard Vaj argue the opposite. He is quite capable of speaking for 
himself so I'll leave it to him to clarify this, if he so wishes. 
   
  Now wasn't that nice of me Vaj? Barry would be proud.
   
  empty

Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Krishna's teaching is from and within a different
context than Patanjali.

--- billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Poor Arjuna. He was a warrior and was instructed by
> Lord Krishna to follow his dharma and fight. That
> means he could not follow Patanjali's practice of
> non-harming (ahimsa) without regard to time, place
> or intent. Nor could any of the other warriors for
> that matter. Although many of them practiced intense
> yoga tapas (austerity) to obtain martial arts
> siddhis they really must have only been practicing a
> form of yoga-lite McMeditation. 
> 
> Don't you just feel sorry for poor Arjuna? He
> killed people in battle. He therefore wasn't
> qualified for yama-niyama nor sannyasa
> (renunciation). He was not qualified for the inner
> limbs used in sanyama - dharana, dhyana, samadhi.
> Too bad - must have had bad karma.
> 
> Poor Krishna. He was a warrior and killed people
> too. He wasn't qualified to do sanyama either. To
> bad. He must have had bad karma.
> 
> The unqualified teaching the unqualified. What is
> this world coming to?
> 
> empty
> 
> 
> "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MMY took the essential teachings of the
> Sanatana Dharma of India
> (eternal Religion of the Vedas)and made them into a
> science.
> 
> In order to do this he had to sever certain parts of
> Patanjali's
> teachings in order to teach it as a Science. Limbs 1
> and 2 are NOT
> being taught by the TMorg, but MMY concedes they are
> necessary in his
> BG and must be practiced simultaneously with the
> other 6. (page 363)
> Limbs 1 and 2 are *Religious* in nature!
> 
> The reason he did it was to reach as many as
> possible by tailoring it
> to meet the needs (or mentality) of the day, some
> compromises were
> made, but essentially TM is yoga-lite for modernity.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Marek Reavis]

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > This (above) is a good capsule of what Maharishi's original 
> > intentions were, I feel, when he started teaching in the west.  
Yoga 
> > is so empirical in nature and practice and most religions 
promulgate 
> > most, if not all, of the elements contained in the yamas and 
niyamas 
> > that Maharishi could have very reasonably felt that any 
individual 
> > following the tenets of their culture and religion while at the 
same 
> > time practicing TM would get the substance of Patanjali's 8 
limbs.  
> > It was a nice and emminently practical scheme.
> 
> Thanks, and yes, I thought of that as well, but...and here's the 
but,
> perhaps most TM'ers weren't Religious to begin with or relied on TM 
to
> be their main source of Religious/spiritual guidance. 
> 
> This was a big mistake, because for these people it became *Science 
in
> lieu of Religion* and Science in lieu of Religion will always be 
weak
> and ineffective compared to Science combined with Religion or 
Science
> taught in the context of Religion like 'Religious Science'.
> 
> Without the foundation of Spirituality (which is Religion) it's 
like a
> slow boat to China, you'll get there but it'll take a lot longer. 
You
> can't be a sinner and a saint at the same time...just doesn't work
> that way! Nice post!!
>

**end**

It may have been that when Maharishi first came to the West, religion 
was more central to people's lives than when our generation came to 
TM in the 60s and 70s; or maybe from the hyper-religious culture that 
Maharishi came from he just presumed a similar attitude in the rest 
of the world which didn't prove to be the case.

It was a good and powerful influence in the world, though, and 
judging by the majority of posters here, whether or not they still 
practice any part of it, still a good and powerful thing overall.

Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat senses when patients will die

[Richard J. Williams]

do.rflex wrote:
> My apologies. I failed to notice that 'sinhlnx' had 
> already posted about this story.
>
You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:


This (above) is a good capsule of what Maharishi's original
intentions were, I feel, when he started teaching in the west. Yoga
is so empirical in nature and practice and most religions promulgate
most, if not all, of the elements contained in the yamas and niyamas
that Maharishi could have very reasonably felt that any individual
following the tenets of their culture and religion while at the same
time practicing TM would get the substance of Patanjali's 8 limbs.
It was a nice and emminently practical scheme.


I can't see how anyone could take perverting a tradition which works  
as "practical". The mechanics of why the prerequisites work are well  
known to real yogis...and they keep creating real samadhic absorptions.


If we don't meet the prerequisites of samadhi, we likely won't get it  
or keep it--even if we round for hundreds of years. That's not to say  
some great people of exceptional circumstance could not or will not,  
but I feel we should gear a system of practice for as many people as  
possible, not just the few lucky ones.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[matrixmonitor]

---Thanks, I agree with the assessment (below). In retrospect, MMY 
failed at both the science aspect and the religion/spirituality 
aspect.  By siding with the religious/spiritual aspect, fewer people 
may have initially started TM, but we would be left with a core group 
of dedicated, spiritually-oriented practitioners who consistently 
practice through the years, throughout all circumstances; ending up 
(as a net result), more people currently practicing, and larger local 
groups in various cities..

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > This (above) is a good capsule of what Maharishi's original 
> > intentions were, I feel, when he started teaching in the west.  
Yoga 
> > is so empirical in nature and practice and most religions 
promulgate 
> > most, if not all, of the elements contained in the yamas and 
niyamas 
> > that Maharishi could have very reasonably felt that any 
individual 
> > following the tenets of their culture and religion while at the 
same 
> > time practicing TM would get the substance of Patanjali's 8 
limbs.  
> > It was a nice and emminently practical scheme.
> 
> Thanks, and yes, I thought of that as well, but...and here's the 
but,
> perhaps most TM'ers weren't Religious to begin with or relied on TM 
to
> be their main source of Religious/spiritual guidance. 
> 
> This was a big mistake, because for these people it became *Science 
in
> lieu of Religion* and Science in lieu of Religion will always be 
weak
> and ineffective compared to Science combined with Religion or 
Science
> taught in the context of Religion like 'Religious Science'.
> 
> Without the foundation of Spirituality (which is Religion) it's 
like a
> slow boat to China, you'll get there but it'll take a lot longer. 
You
> can't be a sinner and a saint at the same time...just doesn't work
> that way! Nice post!!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: On the Nature of Evil, Compassion, and Enlightenment

[qntmpkt]

--1. Outer behavior can't infringe upon MMY's Enlightened status. 
Can't judge a book by the cover.  What's "underneath" is the true 
Reality.  However, Mr. Knapp has seemingly tapped into a legitimate 
vast pool of discord. As to the complainers, the supposed victims,
it's clear they are:

2. Just that, complainers, wimps, losers; who who simply should have 
stopped when the red flags went up.  Maybe they'll learn better in 
their next incarnations.

3. I'd bet none of the instances of injury could stand up in a court 
of law.  Mr. Knapp, let's see the stats on the lawsuits and if any of 
the victims were awarded damages.

4. Mr. Knapp has a monetary vested interest in stirring up a hornet's 
nest of controversy since he gets paid by the supposed victims of 
abuse. This invalidates his crummy ploy. 


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On the Nature of Evil, Compassion, and Enlightenment
> Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 7/26/2007 02:28:00 PM
> 
> 
> A rougher version of this post appeared in the comments section. A  
> reader requested that I polish it up and post it on the main blog.  
> The result is below.
> 
> A note about my posts and writing style. My feelings about most  
> subjects are more tentative than my direct writing style would  
> indicate. I hope that readers who take issue with my posts feel 
free  
> to comment in the unmoderated comments section. I am more than 
open  
> to taking your viewpoints into account and changing my perspective.
> 
> 
> Being compassionate doesn't preclude making judgments about 
behavior  
> -- only about people themselves.
> 
> I suspect the Maharishi, the founder of Transcendental Meditation, 
is  
> mentally ill. I reached this suspicion based on observing his 
actions  
> for decades — stretching back at least to the introduction of his 
TM- 
> Sidhi program in the 1970s.
> 
> As I've stated before, if he were actually under my care, I would  
> want to rule out narcissism and sociopathy. But I feel strongly 
that  
> you can't judge a person's mental health through their writings or  
> public appearances — and that is the only way I know the Maharishi.
> 
> I certainly don't claim to know he is mentally ill. But as he is a  
> public figure with the power to harm many people, I think that  
> speculation about his character is certainly fair game.
> 
> Please note that the phrase "rule out" is jargon in psychotherapy  
> that means that steps should be taken to test the therapist's  
> suspicions -- nothing more. I am not judging the Maharishi's 
mental  
> health, therefore -- but I am saying it is suspect.
> 
> The Maharishi's actions go well beyond those of an ambitious  
> businessperson, in my opinion. I've counseled over 2,000 current 
and  
> former TMers since I founded Trancenet.net back in 1995. I'm sure  
> there are many, many more who have had no contact with me. I 
believe  
> that thousands of people have been harmed psychologically,  
> emotionally, financially, career-wise, and more by their time 
spent  
> with the Maharishi. Some have actually lost their lives through  
> violence or suicide. The DeNaro affidavit makes it clear that the  
> Maharishi has known for decades about the damage his teachings 
have  
> been causing -- and that he simply doesn't care.
> 
> If that isn't evil, what is?
> 
> Any ambitious pharmaceutical executive that disregarded dangerous  
> side effects of his medicines would be subject to criminal  
> prosecution. Shouldn't we judge a spiritual teacher, if anything,  
> more harshly?
> 
> A commenter has suggested that perhaps our differences over the  
> Maharishi's actions spring from disagreements about what 
constitutes  
> enlightenment. I think the Maharishi has given clear criteria for 
his  
> ideas of enlightenment, and since he has taken billions of dollars 
in  
> exchange for teaching students techniques he claimed would bring  
> about enlightenment, I think it only fair to judge him by his own  
> rules. He spoke of an enlightened person as always exhibiting  
> spontaneous right action, exhibiting compassion, friendliness, and  
> happiness. More, he has stated that an enlightened individual is  
> "invincible" -- saying no enemy could even arise for an 
enlightened  
> person or country. Please note that the Maharishi cannot even 
enter  
> the US, Switzerland, or India because of charges of tax evasion, 
he  
> has been found liable in US civil court for fraud and more, and 
there  
> is no shortage of Maharishi critics on this Blog and elsewhere in  
> countries around the world.
> 
> I say he doesn't exhibit virtues to any "cosmic" degree. Perhaps 
you  
> feel differently.
> 
> I think, since he has held himself out as being in the business of  
> spiritual development, to compare his legacy to that of other 
saints  
> that humankind has produced is only fair.
> 
> Can anyone say that he shows the elements of compassion that 
Jesus,  
> Gandhi, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


> This (above) is a good capsule of what Maharishi's original 
> intentions were, I feel, when he started teaching in the west.  Yoga 
> is so empirical in nature and practice and most religions promulgate 
> most, if not all, of the elements contained in the yamas and niyamas 
> that Maharishi could have very reasonably felt that any individual 
> following the tenets of their culture and religion while at the same 
> time practicing TM would get the substance of Patanjali's 8 limbs.  
> It was a nice and emminently practical scheme.

Thanks, and yes, I thought of that as well, but...and here's the but,
perhaps most TM'ers weren't Religious to begin with or relied on TM to
be their main source of Religious/spiritual guidance. 

This was a big mistake, because for these people it became *Science in
lieu of Religion* and Science in lieu of Religion will always be weak
and ineffective compared to Science combined with Religion or Science
taught in the context of Religion like 'Religious Science'.

Without the foundation of Spirituality (which is Religion) it's like a
slow boat to China, you'll get there but it'll take a lot longer. You
can't be a sinner and a saint at the same time...just doesn't work
that way! Nice post!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>   Hi Vaj. Yes Vaj. Their mythos just is expansive enough to
> talk extensively about channels of mind-body coordination 
>(nadi), internal life-energy flows (prana-vayu )and point-
> essences (bindu). You don't believe this kind of mythos 
> do you Vaj?

I don't see myself paying any attention to the mythos of physiology
until hanging out with Rory and Tom T starts giving me an anal fistula.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: stock market vs Hagelin = cognitive dissonance

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:17 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


We've gotta tax the underground economy and use the money for health
care.  Legalize all drugs, prostitution and tax the S out of it.  Use
all current program funds for wars against US citizens for rehab and
disease testing and safe working conditions for sex workers.

I hate paying taxes for cops to function in a public health capacity.
 They aren't trained for it and the whole premise is stupid.  People
who want to get stoned and laid will do so, so lets make it safe as we
can and stop turning them into criminals on our dime!


Well said, Curtis.  It's such obvious basic good, common sense that I 
doubt it will ever happen in our lifetimes, or at least not any time 
soon.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] On the Nature of Evil, Compassion, and Enlightenment

[Vaj]

On the Nature of Evil, Compassion, and Enlightenment
Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 7/26/2007 02:28:00 PM


A rougher version of this post appeared in the comments section. A  
reader requested that I polish it up and post it on the main blog.  
The result is below.


A note about my posts and writing style. My feelings about most  
subjects are more tentative than my direct writing style would  
indicate. I hope that readers who take issue with my posts feel free  
to comment in the unmoderated comments section. I am more than open  
to taking your viewpoints into account and changing my perspective.



Being compassionate doesn't preclude making judgments about behavior  
-- only about people themselves.


I suspect the Maharishi, the founder of Transcendental Meditation, is  
mentally ill. I reached this suspicion based on observing his actions  
for decades — stretching back at least to the introduction of his TM- 
Sidhi program in the 1970s.


As I've stated before, if he were actually under my care, I would  
want to rule out narcissism and sociopathy. But I feel strongly that  
you can't judge a person's mental health through their writings or  
public appearances — and that is the only way I know the Maharishi.


I certainly don't claim to know he is mentally ill. But as he is a  
public figure with the power to harm many people, I think that  
speculation about his character is certainly fair game.


Please note that the phrase "rule out" is jargon in psychotherapy  
that means that steps should be taken to test the therapist's  
suspicions -- nothing more. I am not judging the Maharishi's mental  
health, therefore -- but I am saying it is suspect.


The Maharishi's actions go well beyond those of an ambitious  
businessperson, in my opinion. I've counseled over 2,000 current and  
former TMers since I founded Trancenet.net back in 1995. I'm sure  
there are many, many more who have had no contact with me. I believe  
that thousands of people have been harmed psychologically,  
emotionally, financially, career-wise, and more by their time spent  
with the Maharishi. Some have actually lost their lives through  
violence or suicide. The DeNaro affidavit makes it clear that the  
Maharishi has known for decades about the damage his teachings have  
been causing -- and that he simply doesn't care.


If that isn't evil, what is?

Any ambitious pharmaceutical executive that disregarded dangerous  
side effects of his medicines would be subject to criminal  
prosecution. Shouldn't we judge a spiritual teacher, if anything,  
more harshly?


A commenter has suggested that perhaps our differences over the  
Maharishi's actions spring from disagreements about what constitutes  
enlightenment. I think the Maharishi has given clear criteria for his  
ideas of enlightenment, and since he has taken billions of dollars in  
exchange for teaching students techniques he claimed would bring  
about enlightenment, I think it only fair to judge him by his own  
rules. He spoke of an enlightened person as always exhibiting  
spontaneous right action, exhibiting compassion, friendliness, and  
happiness. More, he has stated that an enlightened individual is  
"invincible" -- saying no enemy could even arise for an enlightened  
person or country. Please note that the Maharishi cannot even enter  
the US, Switzerland, or India because of charges of tax evasion, he  
has been found liable in US civil court for fraud and more, and there  
is no shortage of Maharishi critics on this Blog and elsewhere in  
countries around the world.


I say he doesn't exhibit virtues to any "cosmic" degree. Perhaps you  
feel differently.


I think, since he has held himself out as being in the business of  
spiritual development, to compare his legacy to that of other saints  
that humankind has produced is only fair.


Can anyone say that he shows the elements of compassion that Jesus,  
Gandhi, Buddha, and others have shown? I would like to hear that  
argument made. Jesus sought out the poor and the downtrodden. He  
didn't preach only to the rich. Gandhi didn't live a lavish lifestyle  
and reached out across caste lines to the untouchables. Buddha gave  
of himself selflessly for decades -- never charging more than enough  
rice to fill his bowl. The Maharishi charges as much as a million  
dollars for teachings that are the birthright of every human on the  
planet, thanks to the illuminated Indian tradition.


You, readers and commenters, have chosen to read a site that is  
largely critical of the Maharishi (although there is a wide  
divergence of opinion among the contributors and I speak only for  
myself). I'm surprised that some of you are surprised to find  
criticism here.


If I perceive evil, which I define as intentional harm or careless  
disregard for pain that one causes to another being, am I  
compassionate by saying nothing? Or rather is truer compassion served  
by warning anyone who cares to listen that som

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Marek Reavis]

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> MMY took the essential teachings of the Sanatana Dharma of India
> (eternal Religion of the Vedas)and made them into a science.
> 
> In order to do this he had to sever certain parts of Patanjali's
> teachings in order to teach it as a Science. Limbs 1 and 2 are NOT
> being taught by the TMorg, but MMY concedes they are necessary in 
his
> BG and must be practiced simultaneously with the other 6. (page 363)
> Limbs 1 and 2 are *Religious* in nature!
> 
> The reason he did it was to reach as many as possible by tailoring 
it
> to meet the needs (or mentality) of the day, some compromises were
> made, but essentially TM is yoga-lite for modernity.
>

**end**

This (above) is a good capsule of what Maharishi's original 
intentions were, I feel, when he started teaching in the west.  Yoga 
is so empirical in nature and practice and most religions promulgate 
most, if not all, of the elements contained in the yamas and niyamas 
that Maharishi could have very reasonably felt that any individual 
following the tenets of their culture and religion while at the same 
time practicing TM would get the substance of Patanjali's 8 limbs.  
It was a nice and emminently practical scheme.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat senses when patients will die

[do.rflex]

My apologies. I failed to notice that 'sinhlnx' had already posted
about this story.

 

[FairfieldLife] Cat senses when patients will die

[do.rflex]

A Day in the Life of Oscar the Cat

David M. Dosa, M.D., M.P.H.
New England Journal of Medicine, July 26, 2007
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/4/328


Oscar the Cat awakens from his nap, opening a single eye to survey his
kingdom. From atop the desk in the doctor's charting area, the cat
peers down the two wings of the nursing home's advanced dementia unit.
All quiet on the western and eastern fronts. Slowly, he rises and
extravagantly stretches his 2-year-old frame, first backward and then
forward. He sits up and considers his next move.

In the distance, a resident approaches. It is Mrs. P., who has been
living on the dementia unit's third floor for 3 years now. She has
long forgotten her family, even though they visit her almost daily.
Moderately disheveled after eating her lunch, half of which she now
wears on her shirt, Mrs. P. is taking one of her many aimless strolls
to nowhere. She glides toward Oscar, pushing her walker and muttering
to herself with complete disregard for her surroundings. Perturbed,
Oscar watches her carefully and, as she walks by, lets out a gentle
hiss, a rattlesnake-like warning that says "leave me alone." She
passes him without a glance and continues down the hallway. Oscar is
relieved. It is not yet Mrs. P.'s time, and he wants nothing to do
with her.

Oscar jumps down off the desk, relieved to be once more alone and in
control of his domain. He takes a few moments to drink from his water
bowl and grab a quick bite. Satisfied, he enjoys another stretch and
sets out on his rounds. Oscar decides to head down the west wing
first, along the way sidestepping Mr. S., who is slumped over on a
couch in the hallway. With lips slightly pursed, he snores peacefully
— perhaps blissfully unaware of where he is now living. Oscar
continues down the hallway until he reaches its end and Room 310. The
door is closed, so Oscar sits and waits. He has important business here.

Twenty-five minutes later, the door finally opens, and out walks a
nurse's aide carrying dirty linens. "Hello, Oscar," she says. "Are you
going inside?" Oscar lets her pass, then makes his way into the room,
where there are two people. Lying in a corner bed and facing the wall,
Mrs. T. is asleep in a fetal position. Her body is thin and wasted
from the breast cancer that has been eating away at her organs. She is
mildly jaundiced and has not spoken in several days. Sitting next to
her is her daughter, who glances up from her novel to warmly greet the
visitor. "Hello, Oscar. How are you today?"

Oscar takes no notice of the woman and leaps up onto the bed. He
surveys Mrs. T. She is clearly in the terminal phase of illness, and
her breathing is labored. Oscar's examination is interrupted by a
nurse, who walks in to ask the daughter whether Mrs. T. is
uncomfortable and needs more morphine. The daughter shakes her head,
and the nurse retreats. Oscar returns to his work. He sniffs the air,
gives Mrs. T. one final look, then jumps off the bed and quickly
leaves the room. Not today.

Making his way back up the hallway, Oscar arrives at Room 313. The
door is open, and he proceeds inside. Mrs. K. is resting peacefully in
her bed, her breathing steady but shallow. She is surrounded by
photographs of her grandchildren and one from her wedding day. Despite
these keepsakes, she is alone. Oscar jumps onto her bed and again
sniffs the air. He pauses to consider the situation, and then turns
around twice before curling up beside Mrs. K.

One hour passes. Oscar waits. A nurse walks into the room to check on
her patient. She pauses to note Oscar's presence. Concerned, she
hurriedly leaves the room and returns to her desk. She grabs Mrs. K.'s
chart off the medical-records rack and begins to make phone calls.

Within a half hour the family starts to arrive. Chairs are brought
into the room, where the relatives begin their vigil. The priest is
called to deliver last rites. And still, Oscar has not budged, instead
purring and gently nuzzling Mrs. K. A young grandson asks his mother,
"What is the cat doing here?" The mother, fighting back tears, tells
him, "He is here to help Grandma get to heaven." Thirty minutes later,
Mrs. K. takes her last earthly breath. With this, Oscar sits up, looks
around, then departs the room so quietly that the grieving family
barely notices.

On his way back to the charting area, Oscar passes a plaque mounted on
the wall. On it is engraved a commendation from a local hospice
agency: "For his compassionate hospice care, this plaque is awarded to
Oscar the Cat." Oscar takes a quick drink of water and returns to his
desk to curl up for a long rest. His day's work is done. There will be
no more deaths today, not in Room 310 or in any other room for that
matter. After all, no one dies on the third floor unless Oscar pays a
visit and stays awhile.

Note: Since he was adopted by staff members as a kitten, Oscar the Cat
has had an uncanny ability to predict when residents are about to d

[FairfieldLife] Re: stock market vs Hagelin = cognitive dissonance

[curtisdeltablues]

"> Isn't that what "medical marijuana" is supposed to be a segue to?  
> Treat it as a medical condition and then when legalization eventually  
> happens, the distribution system, which can be easily observed by  
> authorities, is already in place. I bet Hillary will legalize the  
> devil's weed in her second term as president..."

And open her party up to being criticized for being "soft on crime"? 
It is still political death to discuss this topic rationally.  Liberal
posturing is just as bad as conservative pandering on this topic.  So
since I'm just p..ing in the wind with this rant, I might as well be
proposing that we start taxing religions...yeah that could sell...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 1:17 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > >
> > "> See? All that bouncing is making *someone* rich."
> >
> > We've gotta tax the underground economy and use the money for health
> > care. Legalize all drugs, prostitution and tax the S out of it. Use
> > all current program funds for wars against US citizens for rehab and
> > disease testing and safe working conditions for sex workers.
> 
> 
> Isn't that what "medical marijuana" is supposed to be a segue to?  
> Treat it as a medical condition and then when legalization eventually  
> happens, the distribution system, which can be easily observed by  
> authorities, is already in place. I bet Hillary will legalize the  
> devil's weed in her second term as president...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And of course the bhagavad-gita is just a hodgepodge of stolen goods,  
> over half of it's verses come from the parameshvara agama, a Shaivite  
> text which pre-dates the Vaishnavite merchant class revival.

And it really doesn't matter because the Gita is merely an allegory
loosely centered around a battle engaged in thousands of years
ago...call it an opera if you wish! The story merely evokes esoteric
knowledge or Sankhya.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disfavor for Bush Hits Rare Heights

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 7/26/07 9:50:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As to  other facts: In April, a USA Today/Gallup poll
had Bush at 38 percent,  Congress at 33 percent (5
points, not 10, difference). The same poll on  May
15 had Bush at 33 and Congress at 29 (4 points, not
10,  difference).

Shemp, say, "Oh, gee, I got that wrong too;  Bush's
ratings have *not* been consistently 10 points
higher than those  of Congress. I guess I should have
checked before spouting off and calling  my blooper
a 'fact.'"

In any case, here's another *real* fact for  you:
Congress's approval ratings are traditionally lower
than those of  the president, no matter which party
is in power. For the president's  ratings to sink
lower than those of Congress is almost  unheard-of


One other comment_Charleston  Daily Mail_ 
(http://www.dailymail.com/story/Opinion/2007072075/Don-Surber-Democrats-achieve-14-percent-approval/)
  



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disfavor for Bush Hits Rare Heights

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 7/26/07 8:31:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  j
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

One of  the major reasons Congress doesn't have better
ratings is that Democrats  were elected to do something
about the Bush disaster, and they haven't been  able to
accomplish much yet because of all the crap the
administration  and the Republicans have been pulling,
refusing to obey subpoenas,  withholding documents and
other information on the grounds of "executive  privilege,"
and filibustering anything the Democrats try to do so
that a  60-vote majority is required to get anything
passed. Not to mention  instructing Attorney General
Gonzales to stonewall and lie in hearings, and  blocking
any attempt to establish contempt of Congress  
proceedings.



That 60 vote majority came back to bite the Dems in the ass, didn't  it?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Poor Arjuna. He was a warrior and was instructed by Lord Krishna to
>follow his dharma and fight. That means he could not follow
>Patanjali's practice of non-harming (ahimsa) 

snip>

That is correct! The law of Dharma in this case superseded the
admonitions of Patanjali! "In the world of Relativity there are no
absolutes" Swami Yogananda

He may have incurred sin, but it was modified by the context in which
it was performed. More importantly he was following his dharma/duty
and rendering unto the Gunas that which was properly theirs.


> Nor could any of the other warriors for that matter. Although many
>of them practiced intense yoga tapas (austerity) to obtain martial
>>arts siddhis they really must have only been practicing a form of
>yoga-lite McMeditation. 

Doubtfulin those days Religion ruled the day!
 
>   Don't you just feel sorry for poor Arjuna? He killed people in
>battle. He therefore wasn't qualified for yama-niyama nor sannyasa
>(renunciation). He was not qualified for the inner limbs used in
>sanyama - dharana, dhyana, samadhi. Too bad - must have had bad >karma.

"Arjuna has set himself a task which is impossible unless he attained a
state of consciousness which will justify any action of his and will
allow him even to *kill* in love, in support of the purpose of
evolution."  MMY GitaCH2vs1.

>   Poor Krishna. He was a warrior and killed people too. He wasn't
qualified to do sanyama either. To bad. He must have had bad karma.

Silly boy..

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disfavor for Bush Hits Rare Heights

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 7/26/07 9:50:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> All  polls until this week consistently reported 10 points less 
> support  for Congress than for the President.
> 
> Fact. Deal with  it.

Shemp, say, "Oops, Judy, you're right, Bush's ratings
are now  lower than those of Congress, and it said so
right in the very article I  was commenting on. I guess
I really should read before I comment on so I  don't
look so incredibly foolish."

As to other facts: In April, a  USA Today/Gallup poll
had Bush at 38 percent, Congress at 33 percent  (5
points, not 10, difference). The same poll on May
15 had Bush at 33  and Congress at 29 (4 points, not
10, difference).

Shemp, say, "Oh,  gee, I got that wrong too; Bush's
ratings have *not* been consistently 10  points
higher than those of Congress. I guess I should have
checked  before spouting off and calling my blooper
a 'fact.'"

In any case,  here's another *real* fact for you:
Congress's approval ratings are  traditionally lower
than those of the president, no matter which  party
is in power. For the president's ratings to sink
lower than those  of Congress is almost unheard-of.




Lets look at a slightly more recent poll since April or May._Americans' 
Confidence in  Congress at All-Time Low_ 
(http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946)  



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Vaj]

And of course the bhagavad-gita is just a hodgepodge of stolen goods,  
over half of it's verses come from the parameshvara agama, a Shaivite  
text which pre-dates the Vaishnavite merchant class revival.


On Jul 27, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Peter wrote:


Krishna's teaching is from and within a different
context than Patanjali.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[Peter]

Krishna's teaching is from and within a different
context than Patanjali.




--- billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Poor Arjuna. He was a warrior and was instructed by
> Lord Krishna to follow his dharma and fight. That
> means he could not follow Patanjali's practice of
> non-harming (ahimsa) without regard to time, place
> or intent. Nor could any of the other warriors for
> that matter. Although many of them practiced intense
> yoga tapas (austerity) to obtain martial arts
> siddhis they really must have only been practicing a
> form of yoga-lite McMeditation. 
>
>   Don't you just feel sorry for poor Arjuna? He
> killed people in battle. He therefore wasn't
> qualified for yama-niyama nor sannyasa
> (renunciation). He was not qualified for the inner
> limbs used in sanyama - dharana, dhyana, samadhi.
> Too bad - must have had bad karma.
>
>   Poor Krishna. He was a warrior and killed people
> too. He wasn't qualified to do sanyama either. To
> bad. He must have had bad karma.
>
>   The unqualified teaching the unqualified. What is
> this world coming to?
>
>   empty
>
>   
> "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   MMY took the essential teachings of the
> Sanatana Dharma of India
> (eternal Religion of the Vedas)and made them into a
> science.
> 
> In order to do this he had to sever certain parts of
> Patanjali's
> teachings in order to teach it as a Science. Limbs 1
> and 2 are NOT
> being taught by the TMorg, but MMY concedes they are
> necessary in his
> BG and must be practiced simultaneously with the
> other 6. (page 363)
> Limbs 1 and 2 are *Religious* in nature!
> 
> The reason he did it was to reach as many as
> possible by tailoring it
> to meet the needs (or mentality) of the day, some
> compromises were
> made, but essentially TM is yoga-lite for modernity.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 8:45 AM, billy jim wrote:



Hi Vaj. Yes Vaj. Their mythos just is expansive enough to talk  
extensively about channels of mind-body coordination (nadi),  
internal life-energy flows (prana-vayu )and point-essences (bindu).  
You don't believe this kind of mythos do you Vaj?


I must have missed that! Last I knew they were practicing a lame  
hatha yoga sequence from a gym teacher.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[billy jim]

 
  Hi Vaj. Yes Vaj. Their mythos just is expansive enough to talk extensively 
about channels of mind-body coordination (nadi), internal life-energy flows 
(prana-vayu )and point-essences (bindu). You don't believe this kind of mythos 
do you Vaj?
   
  Let's see - "Tsa-Lung-Tigle" - isn't that a breakfast sandwich at McD's? 
Didn't the Dalai Lama eat one of those on his US tour?
   
  Oh, wait a minute. That was before he became a vegetarian. Now his form of 
mythos is cooked with a Dzogchen Wok.
   
  empty
  
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
On Jul 27, 2007, at 1:31 AM, Ron wrote:

  *It has nothing to do
> with kundalini experiences. That's all in the
> physiology.

S Hahahahaha yes the world is all physical, what you see is what 
you get (wrong)kundalini is a journey through consciousnes and 
has nothing to do with the physical. Kundalini phenomena dissolves 
after enlightenment, if there are any mild shifts that take place- 
it is empty in nature and does not touch the pure consciousness that 
remains.

  

  It's amazing how pervasive the "it's in the physiology" idea is embedded in 
the TM mythos.
  

 


   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[Peter]

Yes, I too confirm Siddhananda's Realization and
confirm a new name upon her..Bob. Sanskrit name
are so unwieldy. Hence forth all Realized ones will be
called Bob. Also, all Kundalini experiences will be
forbidden. So 1970's. 

  
--- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> >
> > Namaste GuruJi,
> Namaste and Om,
> > 
> >* I posted the comments of Siddhananda in my other
> group and 
> someone 
> > posted a response. Guruji has said that once
> Maharihsi of TM 
> passes, 
> > there will be many self declared enlightened
> stepping forward. The 
> one 
> > posting this practices TM yet has his personal
> contacts with Sri 
> Sri 
> > Ravi Shankars organization. If people step forward
> declaring 
> > Realization and is not the case, those following
> can end up down 
> an 
> > undesirable road, so as seva, when possible that
> some light can be 
> shed 
> > which may avoid wrong turns, it is appreciated. I
> am capable of 
> writing 
> > the same thing only in my case, I would preface it
> with this is 
> what my 
> > Guru explains. Here is the post:
> 
> Namaste
> 
> > 
> > *In Realization there is no fear of death because
> it is
> > self-evident that there is no self to die or to be
> > born. You don't feel that you don't have fear of
> > death,rather it is stunningly clear that there is
> no
> > death. 
> 
> S Yes and so?? This is known after one surrenders to
> the fear of 
> death and faces the fear of extinction head on -goes
> through it and 
> dies to everything known - when returning the
> consciousness is 
> completely changed for good - death or birth is not
> cognized at all 
> as these are concepts of opposites - only 0 - point
> remain - 
> absolute, pure, pristine illumination - steady
> stillness - like 
> being in the center of the wheel - the wheel is
> turning, but there 
> is no movement within or without. Reading what is
> written, where is 
> the conflict?
> 
> *There is no longer a "you" to do or not to do.
> 
> S And again so? Is this a challenge or a
> confirmation? Is the one 
> writing speaking from direct experience?
> 
> > *This removal, as it were, of "you" from the
> picture is
> > the first stage of realization.
> 
> S There are no stages, only a settling - 
> 
> *It has nothing to do
> > with kundalini experiences. That's all in the
> > physiology.
> 
> S Hahahahaha yes the world is all physical, what you
> see is what 
> you get (wrong)kundalini is a journey through
> consciousnes and 
> has nothing to do with the physical. Kundalini
> phenomena dissolves 
> after enlightenment, if there are any mild shifts
> that take place- 
> it is empty in nature and does not touch the pure
> consciousness that 
> remains.
> 
> Direct experience is the only way.
> 
> Great Peace and IS
> 0
> Swami Siddhananda
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Peter's post= what is EN.- sidhananda response

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 1:31 AM, Ron wrote:


*It has nothing to do
> with kundalini experiences. That's all in the
> physiology.

S Hahahahaha yes the world is all physical, what you see is what
you get (wrong)kundalini is a journey through consciousnes and
has nothing to do with the physical. Kundalini phenomena dissolves
after enlightenment, if there are any mild shifts that take place-
it is empty in nature and does not touch the pure consciousness that
remains.



It's amazing how pervasive the "it's in the physiology" idea is  
embedded in the TM mythos.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: stock market vs Hagelin = cognitive dissonance

[Vaj]

On Jul 27, 2007, at 1:17 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


>
"> See? All that bouncing is making *someone* rich."

We've gotta tax the underground economy and use the money for health
care. Legalize all drugs, prostitution and tax the S out of it. Use
all current program funds for wars against US citizens for rehab and
disease testing and safe working conditions for sex workers.



Isn't that what "medical marijuana" is supposed to be a segue to?  
Treat it as a medical condition and then when legalization eventually  
happens, the distribution system, which can be easily observed by  
authorities, is already in place. I bet Hillary will legalize the  
devil's weed in her second term as president...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi-What he did, and why he did it!

[billy jim]

Poor Arjuna. He was a warrior and was instructed by Lord Krishna to follow his 
dharma and fight. That means he could not follow Patanjali's practice of 
non-harming (ahimsa) without regard to time, place or intent. Nor could any of 
the other warriors for that matter. Although many of them practiced intense 
yoga tapas (austerity) to obtain martial arts siddhis they really must have 
only been practicing a form of yoga-lite McMeditation. 
   
  Don't you just feel sorry for poor Arjuna? He killed people in battle. He 
therefore wasn't qualified for yama-niyama nor sannyasa (renunciation). He was 
not qualified for the inner limbs used in sanyama - dharana, dhyana, samadhi. 
Too bad - must have had bad karma.
   
  Poor Krishna. He was a warrior and killed people too. He wasn't qualified to 
do sanyama either. To bad. He must have had bad karma.
   
  The unqualified teaching the unqualified. What is this world coming to?
   
  empty
   
  
"BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  MMY took the essential teachings of the Sanatana Dharma of India
(eternal Religion of the Vedas)and made them into a science.

In order to do this he had to sever certain parts of Patanjali's
teachings in order to teach it as a Science. Limbs 1 and 2 are NOT
being taught by the TMorg, but MMY concedes they are necessary in his
BG and must be practiced simultaneously with the other 6. (page 363)
Limbs 1 and 2 are *Religious* in nature!

The reason he did it was to reach as many as possible by tailoring it
to meet the needs (or mentality) of the day, some compromises were
made, but essentially TM is yoga-lite for modernity.



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Censored?

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpo7l6m-30&mode=related&search=

Elvis skipped this verse. Perhaps he jsut forget it?

The sad sack was a sittin on a block of stone
Way over in the corner weepin all alone.
The warden said, hey, buddy, dont you be no square.
If you cant find a partner use a wooden chair.
Lets rock, everybody, lets rock.
Everybody in the whole cell block
Was dancin to the jailhouse rock.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of samâdhi, according to P-jali (or, Taimni?)?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> saMprajñâta-vitarka: savitarka > nirvitarka
> 
> asaMprajñâta
> 
> saMprajñâta-vicâra: savicâra > nirvicâra
> 
> asaMprajñâta
> 
> saMprajñâta-sânanda

saananda = sa+aananda

Ananda m. happiness , joy , enjoyment , sensual pleasure RV. AV. VS. 
R. Ragh. &c. ; m. and (%{am}) n. `" pure happiness "' , one of the 
three attributes of A1tman or Brahman in the Veda1nta philosophy 
Veda1ntas. &c 

NB: in principle "saananda" might also be sandhi for "sa+ananda",
but that doesn't seem very likely in this connection, because:

ananda mfn. joyless , cheerless ; (%{As}) m. pl.N. of a purgatory 
Up. [25,2]  

So, we gots to keep in mind that "a-nanda" is actually 
opposite of "aa-nanda"!   :D

















> 
> asaMprajñâta
> 
> saMprajñâta-sasmitâ (sâsmitâ?)
> 
> nirbîja-samâdhi
> 
> dharma-megha-samâdhi
>