[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the TMO part of the Shankara tradition?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Turq, this first part reminded me of the division of Hindu 
> scripture into the Srutis, Smirtis, and Puranas -- the "Heard" 
> ("actually experienced"), the "Remembered" ("got the skinny 
> from someone actually experienced, and this is what he told 
> me"), and the "Stories" ("there's some really wild stuff out 
> there, stuff you've never heard of before now, listen to this.")

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Thanks.

> Seems like there are all sorts of different ways of pointing 
> yourself in the right direction, and believing (or feeling) 
> the divinity of the teacher is just an interior position 
> relative to the divine that one already is.  Kind of like a 
> boomerang -- you throw it out and it comes right back with 
> more of the same.

Nice.

> The wild and crazy stories are, I think, just a way of catching 
> your attention; but believing the stories and the myths *does* 
> play with your mind -- reshapes it and reorients it towards That 
> that everyone seems to be chasing in one way or another, anyway, 
> even though they may not define it the same way.  
> 
> The problems with believing in the stories, as you say, is that 
> you can start taking them personally and then feel personally 
> diminished when someone doesn't buy into them.  And everyone 
> chafes when they're made to feel small.  First the war of the 
> stories, and ultimately (maybe), actual war.

Great last line, tremendous insight!

Doesn't that just say it all? I live in an area that
has seen the "War of the Stories" for centuries now.
First it was the pagan stories vs. the Roman stories,
and then the Roman Church's stories vs. the Cathars'
stories, and then the Catholic stories vs. the Prot-
estant stories. And of course it didn't take long
for the "war stories" to become actual war.

Even though I've poked a little fun at the Byron
Katie thing lately, I do have to say that if folks
in all of these times had done "the work" on their
stories to determine if they were really true or not, 
they probably wouldn't have had to do "the work" on
each other with knives and spears and swords and
torture chambers and burning at the stake.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, suziezuzie wrote:
> 
> > I once had some dental work done, a crown that had zinc in it. 
> > For five months, I experienced what it was like being clinically 
> > insane, even telling my four year old daughter to make sure she 
> > took care of mommy after I committed suicide. Everyday, I planed 
> > different ways to accomplish this as my mental state spiraled 
> > lower and lower. The funny thing though was, the worse things 
> > got, the more I witnessed this whole crazy experience, like 
> > there was the Being just watching, and the more separated I 
> > became from reality, the more concrete the Being became. This 
> > experience made me more aware of that Fullness rather than less. 
> > Five months later, I had the crown removed and all the
> > crazy symptoms immediately disappeared. Can a person be crazy 
> > and yet enlightened? Probably because, I was.
> 
> As painful as it might be (put also therapeutic at the same time) 
> if you wrote of your spiritual journey and weave into it this 
> story, you'd have a great novel or screenplay!

I agree with Vaj. Such things are not an uncommon
occurrence these days, given all the rushed-to-
market drugs and environmental pollutants that we
are exposed to. I knew a guy who meditated and who
had fairly-good-to-downright-flashy experiences in
his meditations and out of them, but who then was
diagnosed as having Hepatitis C. He had to go on
chemotherapy, and it made him crazy as a loon,
which *coexisted* with his otherwise normal and
ongoing spiritual experiences. One of the people
he met in the Hep C support group he was part of
told the story of getting so crazy after the treat-
ments that he got up one morning after what he
thought had been a good night's sleep to find out
that during the night he had gotten up and killed
his dog. Scary stuff.

As Vaj says, your story would be Movie Of The Week
material, but it might also be valuable to many
people who are experiencing such things and think-
ing it's because they're really crazy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[bob_brigante]

The MUM tower is a guard shack compared to the $3.5 mil tower Bevan 
wants to build in his Aussie hometown:


http://tinyurl.com/32ebrd

Adelaide Now 

$3.5m city tower
July 30, 2007 02:15am
A MULTI-storey "tower of knowledge" may be built at 190 Greenhill Rd 
in honour of Dr Bevan Morris, a leader of the Transcendental 
Meditation movement.

His mother, Mrs Dulcie Morris, 94, will turn the sod of what could be 
a tower without residents, pending Unley Council consent. No one will 
live in the tower and it will be a permanent exhibition of the 
scientific research on the Maharishi Transcendental Meditation 
program. 

David Seymour, director of Maharishi's Global Administration through 
Natural Law, said it would not be a temple. 

Dr Morris is now the "prime minister" of the Global Country of World 
Peace. It is estimated the tower would cost about $3.5 million. 

The Iowa, U.S.-based movement has made sketches of the tower and had 
preliminary discussions with the council. "We are confident enough to 
hold a sod-turning ceremony," Mr Seymour said. 

Unley Council mayor Richard Thorne said his meeting with Mr Seymour 
was to discuss preliminary plans.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/28/07 8:49:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >  > Why a tower? To me that is just a sign of extreme egoism.
> >  >
> > 
> > the TMO's Tombstone>>
> 
> Lol
> They had a  funky looking gazebo between the domes years ago. It 
> didn't do shit. They  tore it down. This won't do shit either.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Because Oral Roberts University has one.
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The other day glancing though the usual posts on this list 
> I noted someone saying that MMY was crazy and the debate 
> aside whether he is enlightened was thinking about whether 
> a crazy person could be enlightened?  I vote yes because 
> craziness is a relative state of mind and even though many 
> here have been "programmed" to believe that in enlightenment 
> the external behavior would appear super sane I don't 
> believe that is necessarily the case at all.  

Rack up another vote for crazy + enlightened here.
Having spent some time with the Rama guy and
around a couple of Crazy Wisdom teachers, I don't 
see any incompatibility between being enlightened 
and being clinically crazy as a loon. IMO the two
things are as compatible as being a redhead and 
being enlightened would be -- the one doesn't have
anything to do with the other.

[FairfieldLife] Hillbilly sings the blues over VC

[bob_brigante]

http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_210231323.html

[FairfieldLife] S-land TM centers back cuz of new PM

[bob_brigante]

"The trigger for Maharishi to reopen his organisation in Britain came 
when he heard a review of the policies of the new Prime Minister, Mr 
Gordon Brown, and his Government. These included the fact that one of 
the first measures introduced by Mr Brown was to initiate a change of 
Parliamentary procedures so that the Commons has a formal say on the 
deployment of Armed Forces abroad, so that the Prime Minister could 
not unilaterally take the country to war. 

Maharishi also heard excerpts from the speech of cabinet minister, 
Douglas Alexander, the new Trade and Development Secretary, as 
presented in Washington recently. In that speech, Mr Alexander had 
said: 'In the 20th century a country's might was too often measured 
in what they could destroy. In the 21st century strength should be 
measured by what we can build together. And so we must form new 
alliances, based on common values, ones not just to protect us from 
the world, but ones which reach out to the world. ...We need to 
demonstrate by our deeds, words and our actions that we are 
internationalist, not isolationist, multilateralist, not 
unilateralist.'

 from:

http://tinyurl.com/2urr88

( http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php?f=uk20070728n_65454
35.htm&y=&cat=n )

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[John]

By definition, a crazy person cannot be enlightened.  But an 
enlightened person can be be misunderstood to be crazy.  Why?  
Because most people are focused only on the externals, that is 
sleeping, waking, dreaming, eating, and having sex.  When the common 
people encounters an enlightened being, they dismiss that person as a 
misfit because an advanced being does not respond to the physical 
stimuli in the environment as a common person would react.  In other 
words, he is "crazy".

In the Shrimad Bhagavatam stories, these enlightened beings were 
harassed by their neighbors who threw garbage, spat, threw feces, and 
farted at them.

Prabhupada states it more graphically by saying that most people are 
just like animals responding to the environment.  The reactions and 
thoughts of most people are fairly predictable and mechanical in 
response to the vedic model of the gunas, or the mode of nature.

In retrospect, MMY is essentially saying the saying the same thing 
with more subtlety and finesse.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The other day glancing though the usual posts on this list I noted 
> someone saying that MMY was crazy and the debate aside whether he 
is 
> enlightened was thinking about whether a crazy person could be 
> enlightened?  I vote yes because craziness is a relative state of 
mind 
> and even though many here have been "programmed" to believe that in 
> enlightenment the external behavior would appear super sane I don't 
> believe that is necessarily the case at all.  Of course that leads 
to a 
> debate on what exactly is craziness?  To me most people in the 
world are 
> crazy or at least zombies who sleep walk through lives every day.   
Even 
> in that state of sleep walk externally they may appear totally sane 
or 
> "the norm" but follow them around for a day (if you can stand it) 
they 
> might turn out to be totally blind or wacko.
> 
> What do you think?
>

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul is Coming!

[Rick Archer]

Dear Friends,

 

We’re happy to announce that Ron Paul will be visiting Fairfield next Sunday
Evening!

That’s Sunday, August 5th. We’ve rented Morningstar Studio and hope to fill
it with enthusiasm.

The schedule is still coming together. It will be a full evening from
probably 7 to 9:30 or so.

Ron Paul will probably speak around 8pm, and there may be music and other
speakers.

Once the schedule is finalized, we’ll let you know.

 

Please pass the word to all your friends that Dr Paul is coming next Sunday!

We want to give him a grand Fairfield welcome.

 

We can use volunteers during this Friday’s Art Walk (Aug 3rd) to help pass
out fliers to advertise the

Sunday meeting with Dr Paul two days later. Email me if you’d like to help
during Art Walk.

 

One of the main focuses of the Ron Paul campaign this summer is to get a
large number of Iowans

to travel to Ames that following Saturday, August 11th to vote in the
Republican Straw Poll.

Please plan to attend, and bring a car full of friends. We have a chance to
really make a difference.

We’ll be coordinating carpooling from Fairfield to Ames and back for the
Straw Poll.

If you need a ride or can offer a ride, please call Bonnie at 472-8484 ext
101 to coordinate rides.

 

We look forward to see you all at Morningstar next Sunday evening.

If you have ideas to make the evening an even bigger success, please email
or call me.

Thanks for your support of Dr Paul. I look forward to seeing you all next
Sunday.

 

Sincerely, Roger Leahy

919-8414

 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Special...or not...

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The music was acoustic and eclectic, ranging from blues to
> ragtime to Celtic. The instrumentation was equally eclectic;
> we're talkin' guitars, banjos, accordions, Uillean pipes,
> pennywhistles, mandolins, and fiddles. The crowd ranged in
> age from mine and The Artist's age (basically older than 
> dirt) to young people in their twenties, tattooed and 
> artistic friends of The Artist's daughter. 
> 
> And the food was great and the wine was great and the music 
> was great and we all had a great time and no one there was
> in the least bit special. 
> 
> And I guess I'm writing this because I really think that the
> reason we all *had* such a good time is that no one there was
> special. 

It appears you are using "special" in a different sense than I have 
been. Those guys *all* sound special to me, but then I think it's 
pretty obvious everybody and everything is special if you give them 
half a chance. And by the same token, everybody and everything is 
also utterly ordinary. The kind of "special" Mr. Crumb appears to be, 
to certain fans, I wouldn't wish on anyone -- but of course, that too 
is perfect :-)

[FairfieldLife] Jesuits say take word of God to Second Life

[qntmpkt]

---"Is there (cyber) space for God?" Spadaro aaka in his article 
which says there are already virtual churches and temples serving 
countless religions. He quotes a Swedish Muslim who says his avatar 
prays regularly as he prays in real life.

Spadaro warns the uninitiated that "the erotic dimension is very 
present" in Second Life, that people can buy genitalia for their 
avatars in a world that is "open to any form of erotic stimulation 
from prostitution to pedophilia".




> Jesuits say take word of God to Second Life
> http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2777496320070727





Judaism on the other hand permits much freedom of belief on this
subject?.

http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm 




Why are people in the US focused on the beliefs of Christianity and
Islam (which appear to be considered inferior) but never dare mention
the beliefs and practices of Judaism (which are believed to be
superior)?

Surely, not only do we need to recognize what is bad, but we also need
to be shown what is good, no?

--- End forwarded message ---

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[qntmpkt]

kombu seaweed extract, featured at:
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destruct. Promoting apoptosis (self-destruction of cancer cells), 
Fucoidan helps to naturally eliminate harmful cells from organism.
Laminarin is a polysaccharide helpful in the prevention and treatment 
of cardiovascular diseases. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the TMO part of the Shankara tradition?

[Marek Reavis]

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> **snip**
> 
> Vaj and some others here have suggested at various times
> that Maharishi and his teachings might *not* be a legitimate
> example of the Shankaracharya tradition, and have expressed
> their reasons for believing this. In this post I'm suggest-
> ing that in at least one respect I can't imagine anything
> *more* representative of Shankara and his approach to
> spiritual teaching than Maharishi and the TMO.
> 
> Reading first the excerpt from the bio, and then the full
> bio, and then some of the other things posted on the 
> Advaita Vendanta Library site, one thing just *leaped* off 
> the screen at me. It was me saying to myself, "Wow...this
> all sounds so *familiar*."
> 
> So *what* sounded familiar?
> 
> The near-compulsive attempt to establish "best-ness," 
> that's what.
> 
> Think about it. Whoever wrote the bio of Shankara on this
> site, what did he choose to *focus* on? 
> 
> His many debates with other spiritual teachers, Shankara 
> *himself* trying to establish "best-ness," that's what.
> The bio is almost a litany of such encounters, a listing 
> of debate after debate in which Shankara "proved" that his 
> teachings were superior to the teachings of others. And
> there is also in the writing (IMO, of course) a simultan-
> eous gloating about all of these "lesser" teachings and 
> teachers who *had* been "proven" to be lesser. The rest 
> of the site echoes this theme, especially in my opinion 
> the naming of the links in the "Critics" section. Most of 
> them are called attempted "refutations" of Shankara's ideas, 
> *continuing* the tradition of claiming "best-ness," and 
> perpetuating the debate. The guy who wrote the bio (it 
> just really *had* to be a guy) seems to really *enjoy* 
> the idea that Shankara put Buddhist groups and other com-
> peting Indian spiritual groups out of business and/or 
> "humiliated" them. 
> 

**snip to end**

Turq, this first part reminded me of the division of Hindu scripture
into the Srutis, Smirtis, and Puranas -- the "Heard" ("actually
experienced"), the "Remembered" ("got the skinny from someone actually
experienced, and this is what he told me"), and the "Stories"
("there's some really wild stuff out there, stuff you've never heard
of before now, listen to this . . .")

Seems like there are all sorts of different ways of pointing yourself
in the right direction, and believing (or feeling) the divinity of the
teacher is just an interior position relative to the divine that one
already is.  Kind of like a boomerang -- you throw it out and it comes
right back with more of the same.

The wild and crazy stories are, I think, just a way of catching your
attention; but believing the stories and the myths *does* play with
your mind -- reshapes it and reorients it towards That that everyone
seems to be chasing in one way or another, anyway, even though they
may not define it the same way.  

The problems with believing in the stories, as you say, is that you
can start taking them personally and then feel personally diminished
when someone doesn't buy into them.  And everyone chafes when they're
made to feel small.  First the war of the stories, and ultimately
(maybe), actual war.

Anyway, more good stuff, thanks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Kumbha Mela- First to be held in U.S.'

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 7/29/07 6:56:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  sight of naked, ashed Sadhus traipsing down Main Street, Irvine 
will be  worth the price of admission alone.



"traipsing"? Sounds almost like something you would see in San  Fransisco. 



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[FairfieldLife] Re: John From Cincinnati again

[Marek Reavis]

Turq, this last suite of about 4 or 5 posts of yours was really good;
lots of fine places to head out on conversations, and all equally
interesting.  There are probably more following but just wanted to
make a quick comment.  Thanks.

Marek

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > What *is* this tendency to pedestalize the teacher and
> > make them "special?" Someone please explain it to me.
> > 
> > It seems to me that it's a little counterproductive to
> > the process of realization. If the teacher you admire
> > achieved his realization only because he was "special,"
> > an avatar, then what hope do you have, not *being* an
> > avatar yourself? But if the teacher was just an ordinary
> > Joe like yourself and realized his enlightenment, then
> > you can, too.
> 
> Riffing on something I wrote over coffee again
> over dregs of that same cuppa coffee, here's a 
> little rap about my current fave TV show. Those 
> of you who are not following it can safely hit 
> Next now, but if you keep reading I will try my 
> best not to provide any terrible plot spoilers.
> 
> Why I love JFC ( which some have speculated stands
> for Jesus Fucking Christ :-) so much is that IMO
> it's not really *about* John. 
> 
> It's about the ordinary people who encounter him, 
> and the extraordinary things that they start notic-
> ing in their lives when he shows up. I don't know
> where the creators of this series are taking it,
> of course, but as of episode 6 (the latest one I've
> seen), I'm starting to get an intuition of where
> they're going, and I find it exciting.
> 
> What if JFC is not the story of Jesus Fucking Christ,
> but of Christ's disciples? They were just ordinary
> dysfunctional people as well, into whose lives some-
> one wandered. And around this guy they started notic-
> ing weird spiritual stuff. It's not a given that the
> guy *creates* this weird spiritual stuff like levi-
> tation and bringing people back from the dead, but
> it sure does seem to be happening.
> 
> The story of JFC that I'm starting to pick up is
> that it's really about the different ways that people
> who encounter extraordinary phenomena *deal* with 
> those extraordinary phenomena. 
> 
> Where I intuit what Milch has in mind for JFC is 
> that John will appear in these people's lives for a 
> short while and then go away. Every episode is titled
> something like, "His Visit: Day One," etc. It's a 
> visit, not an assurance that he'll stick around. I
> wouldn't be surprised to find, if the series makes
> it to a second season, that John will be written out
> of it, leaving his "disciples" on their own.
> 
> This, to me, is a pretty ballsy approach to the age-
> old story of spiritual teachers and the relationship
> that their followers have with them. It's happened
> to *every single seeker who followed a charismatic
> spiritual teacher in history* who didn't die before
> the teacher did. They encountered someone around whom 
> extraordinary things began to happen, and had to find
> some way to *deal* with these extraordinary phenomena.
> And then the teacher goes away, and they *still* have
> to deal with the phenomena.
> 
> Did they really happen? There is no concrete evidence
> that they did. So far in the series, there is video
> evidence that John existed, but no evidence that any
> of the phenomena that happened around him existed. So 
> what are these dysfunctional disciples gonna *do*
> with that?
> 
> Will some of them become teachers of The Way Of John,
> and evangelize his teachings -- whatever the heck they
> were -- to as many people as possible? Will they 
> recruit other disciples, people who never met the guy
> but have been convinced of his specialness, who then
> go on to convert even more disciples? (Sound familiar?
> Think Saint Paul.) Will they write bhaktied-out tales
> about John and his miracles and how special he was,
> like the stuff on the Advaita Vedanta Library site
> where the excerpt of the bio of Shankara recently 
> posted here was taken from? Will they write their own
> New Testament?
> 
> I don't know. But I really hope not, because as spirit-
> ual writing goes, there's more than a little Been There,
> Done That in that approach. 
> 
> I really hope that David Milch and his team of writers
> take it in another direction, and focus on the day-to-
> day *ongoing* struggles of these dysfunctional disciples
> to try to figure it all out, without ever accomplishing
> it. Dennis Potter, who wrote "The Singing Detective,"
> defined his idea of a good detective story thusly:
> "All clues, no solutions." I hope that's where the
> writers of JFC are taking this series. I hope he
> NEVER "explains things."
> 
> I really *identify* with these dysfunctional disciples.
> Duh! I've Been There, Done That. I spent fourteen years
> with a guy around whom extraordinary things happened.
> And I spent pretty much ev

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Kumbha Mela- First to be held in U.S.'

[shempmcgurk]

The sight of naked, ashed Sadhus traipsing down Main Street, Irvine 
will be worth the price of admission alone.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> New York, Aug 22, IANS)   Kumbha Mela, the most sacred of all Hindu
> pilgrimages, will be held for the first time in the United States.
> 
> The Mela in the US is being organised on Sep 10 at Bren Center,
> University of California Irvine, to usher in world peace by infusing
> collective positivity, according to a press release.
> 
> It is being organised under the auspices of Paramahamsa Nithyananda,
> Nithyananda Foundation; Swami Ishwarananda, Chinmaya Mission; Swami
> Sarvadevananda, Vedanta Society; Dr. Acharya Yogeesh, Yogeesh 
Ashram;
> and the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh.
> 
> The highlights of the celebrations will include a powerful Vishwa
> Shanti Yagna, a Vedic style fire ceremony to invoke peace energy
> through one of the purest elements of nature - fire - an abhishekam,
> or offering of water from 21 holy rivers of India to all the 
deities,
> and a grand procession with participation by various spiritual
> organisations from across the US, the release stated.
> 
> 'Homas' and 'aartis' will add to the daylong rituals, which will 
start
> at 2 p.m.
> 
> In India, the Mela is held four times every 12 years and rotates
> between Prayag (Allahabad), Haridwar, Ujjain and Nashik.
> 
> Each twelve-year cycle includes one Maha Kumbh Mela in Allahabad,
> which is attended by millions of people, making it the largest
> gathering anywhere in the world.
> 
> Legend has it that in the Vedic ages, gods and demons made a 
temporary
> agreement to work together churning 'amrita' or the nectar of
> immortality from the Ksheera Sagara (primordial ocean of milk), and 
to
> share the nectar equally.
> 
> However, when the urn or 'Kumbha' containing the nectar appeared, 
the
> demons ran away with it. The gods then gave a chase and for 12 days
> and 12 nights the two sides fought for the possession of the urn.
> 
> In the course of the battle, four drops of nectar fell at Prayag,
> Haridwar, Nashik and Ujjain. Hence the Mela is held at these four 
places.
>

[FairfieldLife] Special...or not...

[TurquoiseB]

Have any of you ever noticed that life sometimes seems to
go out of its Way to offer you reflections of the things
you've been thinking about, and pondering? Pondering not
in the sense of 'ponderous,' or heavy, just pondering in 
the sense of thinkin' about, comin' back to from time 
to time during the day like one comes back to a koan, 
touching upon it at different times of the day and from
different points of view, like it was fun...a thing to 
"think through" or just try to get a kinda handle on, 
something to have fun with and explore? Today was one 
of those days for me.

It started kinda funky. I woke up and decided again that 
rather than go to a cafe and try to write, I'd go to a cafe 
and read someone else's writing. So I grabbed by newly-
arrived-in-the-mail copy of the latest (and last) Harry 
Potter novel, and headed out the door with it. I got no
further than my own doorstep when I was accosted by a 
stalker. 

He wasn't stalking me. He was stalking my next-door neighbor,
the Famous Comic Artist. But because I live in an apartment
in the artist's house, and the Artist Himself -- the one 
he'd been camped out on our doorsteps stalking -- hadn't
appeared, he glommed onto me. On the surface, he was a fairly
benign fan -- Belgian, clutching a gift basket for Robert,
explaining to me (a total stranger, ferchrissakes) that he'd
come all the way from Belgium on a kind of pilgrimage to meet
The Artist.

I did not for a moment doubt his sincerity or his fervor.
This guy obviously had a fairly serious hero thang goin' down
with my next-door neighbor. He explained that he'd come all
this way just in the hope that he could meet him, just for a
couple of minutes, just to thank him for his work and for how
much it had inspired him. I explained to him that The Artist
was more than a bit of a recluse, and that because he went 
away often to a rented place in the mountains to work on his 
latest project, he might not even be in town this week. But 
the guy said he was going to wait anyway, and sat down on a 
doorstep opposite our house. I wished him good luck and 
headed off to the cafe.

But once there, after ordering my coffee but before opening
my book, I called The Artist's wife and told them that they
had another stalker on their hands. I explained to her that
he had *seemed* benevolent, but definitely warned her that
he was outside her door, waiting. She thanked me and I went
back to my coffee, and started reading about Harry Potter.

Harry's an interesting guy. He grew up thinking he was just
an ordinary kid, and then he found out that he was special.
In the world of magic that he grew up unaware of, he had
been a legend since his infancy. When he arrived on the scene,
most of the people he ran into had heard his legend (which he
had been blissfully unaware of) long before they'd met him.

So if you're an ordinary guy thrown suddenly into the role
of being considered "special," whaddya do? Well, Harry finds
a few close friends, kids who accept him for just who he is,
not who he's "supposed" to be. And around them he can kick
back and relax and just be himself, without having to think
about being "special," and living up to it.

I read for a couple of hours and then walked back home. Soon
afterwards the phone rang, and it was The Artist's wife, 
calling to update me on my earlier phone call. It turns out
that she went outside to see the guy, and thanked him for
coming and all, but explained to him that Robert was medi-
tating right now, and thus wasn't available to meet him. 

The guy started crying. Right there on the street, bawling
like a baby, as distraught as my neighbor had ever seen a 
person. So she took pity on him and invited him into her
parlor and left him there crying while she went to talk to
her husband -- a painfully shy guy to start with -- and tell
him what was goin' down. Well, The Artist, high on compassion
from a nice, shiny meditation, said, "Why not?" and walked
downstairs to meet this guy.

And it starts out sweet, but within no less than the couple
of minutes that the guy had told me he wanted with him, the
fan turns aggressive, asking The Artist to draw something
personal for him. When my friend, shocked, said that he 
didn't "do requests," the guy started demanding that The
Artist give him -- for free -- copies of his artwork that 
he had lying around. The couple who lived in the house that
they'd moved to to get *away* from such people finally had 
to call upon the help of houseguests to usher the guy out.

She then went on to invite me to a gathering they were going
to have that night in the garden that they own. It's a ways
away from the house, very secluded behind stone walls, a
really neat little place. I said OK, and showed up there a 
little after eight o'clock with a bottle of wine and an open
mind. She'd described it as a "musical evening," and I love
music, so I was up for whatever it might turn out to be.

It turned out to be about 20 people -- some from Sauve, som

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Article on Maharishi Effect & Stock Mkt.'

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"  
> wrote:
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > John Hagelin's predictions this week seem outlandish,
> > > at first glance, particularly with the most recent Wall Street
> > > trading sessions' huge losses. But, what better time
> > > to make a bold prediction than when the present strong trend
> > > would contradict his prediction? 
> > 
> > well you could look at it that way i guess;
> > it requires some amt of faith to be so optimistic
> > 
> > 
> > > The Hagelin prediciton is probably based on the expectation
> > > that an additional 500 Vedic pandits will join the MUM
> > > Invincible America course by the Fall*.
> > > 
> > > * July 10th, 2007 IA press release
> > 
> > one reason i am short on faith and optimism, is that
> > i expected the full component of 1000 pandits to
> > be there by now, so i have to say i'll believe it
> > when i see it.
> > 
> > however, i missed the press release you refer to;
> > do you have a copy you could re-post, that would
> > surely inspire some of us.
> >
> 
> George,
> Received via e-mail:
> From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
> Subject: Invincible America: 500 Additional Maharishi Vedic Pandits Will Be 
> Arriving Soon
> Date: July 10, 2007 12:38:59 PM EDT
> 
> 500 Additional Maharishi Vedic Pandits
> Will Be Arriving Soon
> 
> Currently there are 500 Vedic Pandits here in our community and the next wave 
> of 500 
will 
> begin arriving shortly. By the fall there will be 1050 Maharishi Vedic 
> Pandits here 
helping 
> to crown America with invincibility. At that time the number of Invincible 
> America 
> Assembly participants, including the Vedic Pandits, will be close to 2300.
> 
> Can you imagine the power of good this will bring to America and the world? 
> Our future 
is 
> glorious.
> 
> But we need you now!
> 
> However, we need to meet our national Super Radiance requirement between now 
> and 
> when the next wave of Pandits start arriving in force. We must maintain high 
> coherence 
for 
> our nation. With the students away for vacation, our current daily totals 
> have dropped — 
> our average is hovering around 1,600 (1,732 is the square root of the U.S. 
> population, 
and 
> 2,000 is the number Maharishi feels we need with a safety margin).
> 
> The world is in our hands for the next weeks. Please come to both programs, 
> especially 
> these next few weeks. We are so close to our precious goal — let's not let 
> anything stop 
us 
> now.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[Vaj]

On Jul 29, 2007, at 4:42 PM, t3rinity wrote:


Typically, many of the Avadhutas, would act crazy, no ordinary
communication, no doubt hey would be closed away in the west. They
have no interest in money, traveling, disciples, and usually don't
belong to any lineage. In Hinduism they are usually asociated with
Dattatreya, who is surrounded by dogs. The Avadhut Gita is attributed
to him. This is what one Avadhut has to say:
'"The world calls me mad. I am mad, you are mad, all the world is mad.
Who is not mad? Still these madman call me mad. Some are mad after
name and fame. Some are mad after money. Some are mad after flesh. But
blessed is he who is mad after God; such a madcap am I!' (translated
by S. Thakar, Songs of the Avadhut)
http://www.rangavadhoot.com/



In the US and elsewhere, the archetype of the wild Avadhuta/Natha is  
that of the homeless.


Totally beyond conventionality, beyond limits.

Reminds me of the classic Dzogchen/Mahasandhi saying:

"As a bee seeks nectar
from all kinds of flowers,

seek teachings everywhere.

Like a deer that finds a quiet place to graze,
seek seclusion to digest all you have gathered.

Like a lion, live completely free of all fear.

And, finally, like a madman, beyond all limits,
go wherever you please."

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Article on Maharishi Effect & Stock Mkt.'

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  wrote:
> > John Hagelin's predictions this week seem outlandish,
> > at first glance, particularly with the most recent Wall Street
> > trading sessions' huge losses. But, what better time
> > to make a bold prediction than when the present strong trend
> > would contradict his prediction? 
> 
> well you could look at it that way i guess;
> it requires some amt of faith to be so optimistic
> 
> 
> > The Hagelin prediciton is probably based on the expectation
> > that an additional 500 Vedic pandits will join the MUM
> > Invincible America course by the Fall*.
> > 
> > * July 10th, 2007 IA press release
> 
> one reason i am short on faith and optimism, is that
> i expected the full component of 1000 pandits to
> be there by now, so i have to say i'll believe it
> when i see it.
> 
> however, i missed the press release you refer to;
> do you have a copy you could re-post, that would
> surely inspire some of us.
>

George,
Received via e-mail:
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Invincible America: 500 Additional Maharishi Vedic Pandits Will Be 
Arriving Soon
Date: July 10, 2007 12:38:59 PM EDT

500 Additional Maharishi Vedic Pandits
Will Be Arriving Soon

Currently there are 500 Vedic Pandits here in our community and the next wave 
of 500 will 
begin arriving shortly. By the fall there will be 1050 Maharishi Vedic Pandits 
here helping 
to crown America with invincibility. At that time the number of Invincible 
America 
Assembly participants, including the Vedic Pandits, will be close to 2300.

Can you imagine the power of good this will bring to America and the world? Our 
future is 
glorious.

But we need you now!

However, we need to meet our national Super Radiance requirement between now 
and 
when the next wave of Pandits start arriving in force. We must maintain high 
coherence for 
our nation. With the students away for vacation, our current daily totals have 
dropped — 
our average is hovering around 1,600 (1,732 is the square root of the U.S. 
population, and 
2,000 is the number Maharishi feels we need with a safety margin).

The world is in our hands for the next weeks. Please come to both programs, 
especially 
these next few weeks. We are so close to our precious goal — let's not let 
anything stop us 
now.

Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The other day glancing though the usual posts on this list I noted 
> someone saying that MMY was crazy and the debate aside whether he is 
> enlightened was thinking about whether a crazy person could be 
> enlightened?  I vote yes because craziness is a relative state of mind 
> and even though many here have been "programmed" to believe that in 
> enlightenment the external behavior would appear super sane I don't 
> believe that is necessarily the case at all.  Of course that leads to a 
> debate on what exactly is craziness?  To me most people in the world
are 
> crazy or at least zombies who sleep walk through lives every day.  
Even 
> in that state of sleep walk externally they may appear totally sane or 
> "the norm" but follow them around for a day (if you can stand it) they 
> might turn out to be totally blind or wacko.
> 
> What do you think?

Typically, many of the Avadhutas, would act crazy, no ordinary
communication, no doubt hey would be closed away in the west. They
have no interest in money, traveling, disciples, and usually don't
belong to any lineage. In Hinduism they are usually asociated with
Dattatreya, who is surrounded by dogs. The Avadhut Gita is attributed
to him. This is what one Avadhut has to say:
'"The world calls me mad. I am mad, you are mad, all the world is mad.
Who is not mad? Still these madman call me mad. Some are mad after
name and fame. Some are mad after money. Some are mad after flesh. But
blessed is he who is mad after God; such a madcap am I!' (translated
by S. Thakar, Songs of the Avadhut)
http://www.rangavadhoot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which Scripture Did this Come From?

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sri Sri Google-ji tells me it's from the writings of Spinoza.

Then, according to the description below, he would be closer to
Visishtadvaita than to Shankara.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > God, or substance consisting of infinite attributes, of which each
> > expresses eternal and infinite essentiality, necessarily exists.
> > 
> > Whatsoever is, is in God, and without God nothing can be, or be
> conceived.
> > 
> > God acts solely by the laws of his own nature and is not constrained
> > by anyone.
> > 
> > God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things.
> > 
> > God and all the attributes of God are eternal.
> > 
> > Intellect, in function finite, or in function infinite, must
> > comprehend the attributes of God and the modifications of God, and
> > nothing else.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[Vaj]

On Jul 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, suziezuzie wrote:


I once had some dental work done, a crown that had zinc in it. For
five months, I experienced what it was like being clinically insane,
even telling my four year old daughter to make sure she took care of
mommy after I committed suicide. Everyday, I planed different ways to
accomplish this as my mental state spiraled lower and lower. The funny
thing though was, the worse things got, the more I witnessed this
whole crazy experience, like there was the Being just watching, and
the more separated I became from reality, the more concrete the Being
became. This experience made me more aware of that Fullness rather
than less. Five months later, I had the crown removed and all the
crazy symptoms immediately disappeared. Can a person be crazy and yet
enlightened? Probably because, I was.



As painful as it might be (put also therapeutic at the same time) if  
you wrote of your spiritual journey and weave into it this story,  
you'd have a great novel or screenplay!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[suziezuzie]

I once had some dental work done, a crown that had zinc in it. For
five months, I experienced what it was like being clinically insane,
even telling my four year old daughter to make sure she took care of
mommy after I committed suicide. Everyday, I planed different ways to
accomplish this as my mental state spiraled lower and lower. The funny
thing though was, the worse things got, the more I witnessed this
whole crazy experience, like there was the Being just watching, and
the more separated I became from reality, the more concrete the Being
became. This experience made me more aware of that Fullness rather
than less. Five months later, I had the crown removed and all the
crazy symptoms immediately disappeared. Can a person be crazy and yet
enlightened? Probably because, I was.   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The other day glancing though the usual posts on this list I noted 
> someone saying that MMY was crazy and the debate aside whether he is 
> enlightened was thinking about whether a crazy person could be 
> enlightened?  I vote yes because craziness is a relative state of mind 
> and even though many here have been "programmed" to believe that in 
> enlightenment the external behavior would appear super sane I don't 
> believe that is necessarily the case at all.  Of course that leads to a 
> debate on what exactly is craziness?  To me most people in the world
are 
> crazy or at least zombies who sleep walk through lives every day.  
Even 
> in that state of sleep walk externally they may appear totally sane or 
> "the norm" but follow them around for a day (if you can stand it) they 
> might turn out to be totally blind or wacko.
> 
> What do you think?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A State of Free Choice and Low Taxes

[suziezuzie]

I love the desert too. I lived in Palm Springs, CA for a few years in
the 80s before it lost it's charm. I've been to Las Vegas many times
and to be honest, I never really liked the whole gambling culture
there. I understand that the gang-crime rate is quite high there also.
For desert spots, I wouldn't choose Las Vegas. It's over developed,
suburbs. Northern Nevada, Lake Tahoe would be more appealing. Arizona
is more appealing. New Mexico would be more appealing, Santa Fe but
Colorado is most appealing. Colorado is the best place to live in the
entire USA at the present time. Why MMY hasn't jumped on this place is
beyond me. He knows what's here because he's been here from the
beginning, Estes Park, one hour from where I live, one of the most
beautiful places on earth.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > " See?  All that bouncing is making *someone* rich."
> > > 
> > > We've gotta tax the underground economy and use the money for 
> > > health care. Legalize all drugs, prostitution and tax the S 
> > > out of it.  Use all current program funds for wars against US 
> > > citizens for rehab and disease testing and safe working 
> > > conditions for sex workers.
> > 
> > "Whores for wholeness." I like it.  :-)
> > 
> > Seriously, it's tough to argue with the success
> > of the Dutch model. Although the Netherlands has
> > other problems (dealing with immigration for one),
> > their approach to prostitution and soft drugs is
> > interesting. Decades after decriminalizing mari-
> > juana use and effectively making it available
> > everywhere, less than 5% of the Dutch population
> > has ever bothered to try it. Compare and contrast
> > to the US, where over 50% have admitted trying it,
> > in a country where simple possession can land you
> > in jail.
> > 
> > As for prostitution, it's actually legal (not 
> > merely decriminalized, as with grass), and heavily
> > monitored and controlled. Sex workers are tested
> > for STDs monthly, with the result that having sex
> > with one of them is a great deal safer than having
> > sex with someone from the general public. And, as
> > you say, both sex and drugs bring in a great deal
> > of income to the government, money that is recycled
> > in the form of health care and benefits for the
> > Dutch population as a whole. Crime associated with
> > either prostitution or soft drugs is almost non-
> > existent, freeing police to monitor, control, and
> > prosecute heavily the trafficking in hard drugs.
> 
> You don't need to go as far as the Nethherlands. Nevada, my current
> home state, has legal gambling -- taxes on which have eliminated the
> state income tax. Prostitution is legal in all but the largest
> counties -- with the similar testing and safety that Turk mentions in
> Holland. And its virutally legal in big counties too -- with 100 pages
> + in the yellow pages of Escort Services -- an similar amounts of
> independent call girls. Though the state is shooting itself in hte
> foot missing out and improving public health and adding to tax
> revenues to offset other fees -- an or improve services even more. 
> And legalization of an oz possession of Shiva's herb -- and up to 3
> plants -- was defeated in November -- but with 45% approving. probably
> only a mater of time as more Califonicators swarm across the border 
> seeking the good life such as Tahoe, the Sierras, great weather (if
> you like all 4 seasons -- and are tired of perpetual spring in much of
> CA), low smog in cities, virually none in 98% of the state, Burning
> Man festival, and gorgeous deserts (which they are.), and the
> entertainment capital of the world (and thus 15 of the worlds largest
> 20  hotels) in Las vegas. And Neavadans believe in keeping laws to a
> minimum -- the legislature meets only 6 out of every 24 months. But
> ss -- don't tell anyone.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[Vaj]

On Jul 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


The other day glancing though the usual posts on this list I noted
someone saying that MMY was crazy and the debate aside whether he is
enlightened was thinking about whether a crazy person could be
enlightened? I vote yes because craziness is a relative state of mind
and even though many here have been "programmed" to believe that in
enlightenment the external behavior would appear super sane I don't
believe that is necessarily the case at all. Of course that leads to a
debate on what exactly is craziness? To me most people in the world  
are

crazy or at least zombies who sleep walk through lives every day. Even
in that state of sleep walk externally they may appear totally sane or
"the norm" but follow them around for a day (if you can stand it) they
might turn out to be totally blind or wacko.

What do you think?



There are entire lineages of "crazy wisdom masters" in the east. Some  
ancient Shaivite lines part of the commitment is to act strange  
whenever any non-initate approaches. Muktananda tells the story of a  
sadhu who would begin to smear himself in feces whenever he  
approached. In some cases, different ecstatic states mock insanity  
and relatively speaking, to "normal people" they appear insane.


I suggest the classic bio of a crazy wisdom master, Drukpa Kunlegs.  
This was originally put out by Bubba Free John, who of course, acted  
like a crazy wisdom master:


The Divine Madman
The Sublime Life and Songs of Drukpa Kunley

(excerpts:)

http://www.keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm

A compilation of anecdotes and songs ('Gro ba' i mgon po chos rje kun  
dga' legs pa'i rnam thar rgya mtsho'i snying po mthong ba don ldan)  
by the Bhutanese scholar, Geshe Chaphu, in 1966; translation and  
introduction by Keith Dowman and Sonam Paljor; preface by Dugu  
Choegyal Gyamtso Tulku; introduction by the editor James Steinberg;  
illustrations by Lee Barslaag; cover painting by Dugu Choegyal  
Gyamtso Tulku. First published by Rider & Co, London, 1982, and Dawn  
Horse Press, 1983; second edition by Dawn Horse Press, Middletown,  
California, 1998. ISBN 0-913922-75-7. Translated into German as Der  
Heilige Narr (Barth, 1983) out of print; and into French as Le Fou  
Divin (Albin Michel, Paris, 1984) out of print. Ten years out of  
print, by popular demand The Divine Madman has been reprinted in 1998  
by the Dawn Horse Press. Reprinted in 2000 in Kathmandu by Pilgrim's  
Publishing (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A State of Free Choice and Low Taxes

[suziezuzie]

A lot of people from California are taking their California money 
after selling their California homes and are moving to Fort Collins, 
CO. which has a semi arid climate, mild winters, cheap homes and 
cheap taxes, very similiar to California in the 60s. If you sold your 
home for a million, you can buy a beautiful home here for half that 
amount, 4000 sq. ft. new, and keep the rest. Taxes on a 4000 sq. ft. 
home is only $1500 a year instead of $15000 in California. My cousin 
moved from Las Vegas to Windsor, Colorado, 20 minutes from me and 
purchased a 8500 sq. ft. home for around a million. In California 
this home would cost him $10 million and the taxes would have been 
$3 a year. 

Don't miss the boat, move here tomorrow. The water is crystal clear 
clean from the Rockies, more water then this town needs from the 
Peudor Canyon Reservoir, the air is Rocky Mountain clean, the people 
are the nicest you'll ever meet, the economy is slow but who cares, 
there are no gangs, the crime rate is almost non existent and you're 
one hour from Rocky National Park which is one of the best national 
parks in the USA, five minutes from walking paths through the 
mountains, 100s of miles of bike trails, two hours from the best 
skiing in the country, some of the best colleges for music in the 
country, people that say hi with a smile everywhere you go, attorney 
fees around $140 an hour instead of $400 an hour in California, some 
of the best health care systems in the USA, lakes, pine trees, geese 
and ducks that waddle all over the place, blue skies over 300 days a 
year, winters that scatter a little snow on occasion and then melts, 
people riding bikes, playing tennis, playing in the numerous parks...

Don't hesitate. I grew up in California when it was a great place to 
live back in the 60s and 70s. This is the same thing all over again. 
Don't miss the boat. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  
> > In a message dated 7/28/07 1:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > California is beginning to become 
> > too  expensive.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder why.
> >
> >
> >
> > ** Get a sneak peek of the 
all-new AOL at 
> > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
> >
> >   
> Everybody wants to live here because of the great weather.  That 
means 
> that even with the burst of the housing bubble my house has about 
> doubled in value since I bought it in 2000.  But that was also due 
to a 
> highway west of me that was a dangerous commute turned into a 
freeway 
> and safe since I moved here making the location very viable for 
those 
> who would need to do that commute.   However the local community 
wants 
> to live high on the hog.  They want to turn downtown which is a bit 
out 
> of the way and mainly the host of the county government seat into a 
> yuppie villa with condos and such.   They are doing this by running 
> those who have lived in the old part of town in handed down family 
homes 
> out of town.  Hard up for operating cash the government is upping 
all 
> kinds of fees.  I recently had a new roof put on my house and the 
roofer 
> was pissed when he went to get the permits as the city had raised 
the 
> fees about 300% from when he last did my neighbor's roof 2 years 
ago.
> 
> I'm a middle class guy kind of stuck between the poor folks who 
live in 
> the old area and the rich refinery managerial types who own 
mansions on 
> the hills up above me.  It makes for an interesting class warfare.  
Of 
> course I don't really have to live here to do what I do.  I made 
money 
> in the sticks in software developments miles away from Silicon 
Valley.  
> But I do like having a lot of things local too me. It's just how 
much 
> will the taxes get ridiculous because people in California want it 
all.  
> And California government especially since Ahnuld took office is 
very 
> corrupt and much of our taxes are eaten up by opportunists who have 
> figured out how to play the state government for their gain.  It's 
been 
> that way since the capitol moved to Sacramento in the 19th 
century.  And 
> that was done to profit a mogul.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A State of Free Choice and Low Taxes

[Bhairitu]

new.morning wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>> You don't need to go as far as the Nethherlands. Nevada, my current
>>> home state, has legal gambling -- taxes on which have eliminated the
>>> state income tax. Prostitution is legal in all but the largest
>>> counties -- with the similar testing and safety that Turk mentions in
>>> Holland. And its virutally legal in big counties too -- with 100 pages
>>> + in the yellow pages of Escort Services -- an similar amounts of
>>> independent call girls. Though the state is shooting itself in hte
>>> foot missing out and improving public health and adding to tax
>>> revenues to offset other fees -- an or improve services even more. 
>>> And legalization of an oz possession of Shiva's herb -- and up to 3
>>> plants -- was defeated in November -- but with 45% approving. probably
>>> only a mater of time as more Califonicators swarm across the border 
>>> seeking the good life such as Tahoe, the Sierras, great weather (if
>>> you like all 4 seasons -- and are tired of perpetual spring in much of
>>> CA), low smog in cities, virually none in 98% of the state, Burning
>>> Man festival, and gorgeous deserts (which they are.), and the
>>> entertainment capital of the world (and thus 15 of the worlds largest
>>> 20  hotels) in Las vegas. And Neavadans believe in keeping laws to a
>>> minimum -- the legislature meets only 6 out of every 24 months. But
>>> ss -- don't tell anyone.
>>>   
>
>   
>> I've got to get around to driving over there sometime.  The most I've 
>> been in NV is Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show and not 
>> gambling.   I kinda like the energy though but hate walking through 
>> casinos with the funky electronic sounds and I even had a potential 
>> contract once to work on some slot machine games.   I've been to Tahoe 
>> once and just part of a day at that for a family gathering.  I grew up 
>> in a more desert like environment and California is beginning to become 
>> too expensive.
>> 
>
> I don't venture much to the casinos. Yet its nice to have the option
> to once in awhile, play black jack with some dealer who likes to yuk
> it up abit. And the casinos bring in world class entertainment  (and
> some B class) so thats available if one wants to partake. And some of
> the best restaruants are at the casinos -- in LV they rival the best
> anywhere. But mainly the casinios are these little black-box islands
> which most locals don't venture to -- except occasionally for the
> above,  which spit out massive tax revenues. Which results in no
> income tax for everyone.
>
> And yes housing costs are quite better than CA. I began to look at NV
> when before the NV boom took off. Prices 1/4 the comparable in CA. But
> the 9/11 credit infused housing boom/bubble  disease hit NV too --
> with then prices doubling in 2 years in LV. And in Reno not as much,
> but substantial new highs. Now nothing is selling on the market except
>  the growing foreclosures. I still think it will take 2-4 years for
> this massive speculative bubble to unwind. Then some real bargins can
> be had. Meanwhile rents are 1/2 - 1/3 of mortgages for similar
> properties. I have 1800 sf, in a very good low-density neighborhood, a
> park and tennis courts a block a way, cars on the streets about 1
> every 15 minutes, a 20 mile wide view of the sierras from, a nice
> backyard and garden, 10 minutes to downtown, 15 minutes to world class
> skiing -- and a mountains view of Tahoe, and the Tahoe Rim trail that
> circles tahoe. For $850/mo.
That's less than half what I pay on my mortgage which unceremoniously 
got boosted by about $300 a month for a year because someone (not me) 
forgot to report that I occupied the house to the county tax authorities 
and I got billed a little over a year ago for delinquent taxes and a 
hefty fine almost as much as the taxes themselves.  The bank agreed to 
pay them at the time but never informed me I would get billed for those 
as an "escrow short fall" a year later.   Raising a stink about didn't 
get me much of anywhere. :(

I'm also not a house owning kind of guy.  I guess years of meditation 
have made me so unattached to the relative that unlike my neighbors who 
putter around their homes on the weekend, a house is just utilitarian.   
I also tend to fall asleep from boredom ten minutes into doing anything 
like that. :)

But I've got to admit that the weather here is wonderful even when it 
gets to be over 100 some days.  I don't like snow, don't ski or do any 
sports and just walk a mile or two a day to keep from getting ripped off 
by the medical establishment ("open your wallet and say ah.")   I've got 
a little shopping center with a Knob Hill-Raley's in it and a all 
digital 8 auditorium movie theater across the street from it.   Wal-Mart 
(which I seldom shop) and Home Depot is about a mile away and the "candy 
store" (I'm a techie) Fry's is only a few miles away (the

[FairfieldLife] Can a crazy person be enlightened?

[Bhairitu]

The other day glancing though the usual posts on this list I noted 
someone saying that MMY was crazy and the debate aside whether he is 
enlightened was thinking about whether a crazy person could be 
enlightened?  I vote yes because craziness is a relative state of mind 
and even though many here have been "programmed" to believe that in 
enlightenment the external behavior would appear super sane I don't 
believe that is necessarily the case at all.  Of course that leads to a 
debate on what exactly is craziness?  To me most people in the world are 
crazy or at least zombies who sleep walk through lives every day.   Even 
in that state of sleep walk externally they may appear totally sane or 
"the norm" but follow them around for a day (if you can stand it) they 
might turn out to be totally blind or wacko.

What do you think?

Re: [FairfieldLife] A State of Free Choice and Low Taxes

[Bhairitu]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 7/28/07 1:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> California is beginning to become 
> too  expensive.
>
>
>
> I wonder why.
>
>
>
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>   
Everybody wants to live here because of the great weather.  That means 
that even with the burst of the housing bubble my house has about 
doubled in value since I bought it in 2000.  But that was also due to a 
highway west of me that was a dangerous commute turned into a freeway 
and safe since I moved here making the location very viable for those 
who would need to do that commute.   However the local community wants 
to live high on the hog.  They want to turn downtown which is a bit out 
of the way and mainly the host of the county government seat into a 
yuppie villa with condos and such.   They are doing this by running 
those who have lived in the old part of town in handed down family homes 
out of town.  Hard up for operating cash the government is upping all 
kinds of fees.  I recently had a new roof put on my house and the roofer 
was pissed when he went to get the permits as the city had raised the 
fees about 300% from when he last did my neighbor's roof 2 years ago.

I'm a middle class guy kind of stuck between the poor folks who live in 
the old area and the rich refinery managerial types who own mansions on 
the hills up above me.  It makes for an interesting class warfare.  Of 
course I don't really have to live here to do what I do.  I made money 
in the sticks in software developments miles away from Silicon Valley.  
But I do like having a lot of things local too me. It's just how much 
will the taxes get ridiculous because people in California want it all.  
And California government especially since Ahnuld took office is very 
corrupt and much of our taxes are eaten up by opportunists who have 
figured out how to play the state government for their gain.  It's been 
that way since the capitol moved to Sacramento in the 19th century.  And 
that was done to profit a mogul.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Tower

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 7/28/07 8:49:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  > Why a tower? To me that is just a sign of extreme egoism.
>  >
> 
> the TMO's Tombstone>>

Lol
They had a  funky looking gazebo between the domes years ago. It 
didn't do shit. They  tore it down. This won't do shit either.




Because Oral Roberts University has one.



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[FairfieldLife] 'Guru Purnima- Most Auspicious Day of the Year'

[Robert]

 Jul 28, 
2007 at 8:23 PM 


 TODAY IS THE MOST 
AUSPIOUS DAY OF THE YEAR: GURU-PURNIMÂ
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 TODAY IS THE MOST AUSPIOUS DAY OF THE YEAR: GURU-PURNIMÂ
 
 All Vedic Traditions celebrate today GURU PURNIMÂ in honor of their respected 
Guru-Tradition
 IT IS THE full moon of the Master, because today the radiance of the Full moon 
is the most powerful in the year!
 From the bottom of our hearts we congratulate you on Guru Purnima Day, the day 
when fullness of Total Knowledge of Guru is enlivened in Nature. This Year Guru 
Purnima Celebration brings the blessing of the Holy Vedic Tradition starting 
the Age of Invincibility with the ceremony of laying the first foundation stone 
of the Towers of Invincibility in every country. This is the beginning of a new 
time for all mankind, the blessing that can be given only by Guru.
 
 
 Na Guror Adikham Tatvam
 There is nothing greater than the Guru
 
 Thanks to His blessings we can transcend the state of the relative existence 
and probe into the depth of our own transcendental Self` reaching the state in 
which all life is only Bliss Eternal. We unfold the true nature of our own Self 
- Atma and the Self of the whole universe - Brahm , Totality within us and live 
life in fulfilment where the goal of all life is enjoyed in the practicalities 
of daily living.
 
 We infinitely thank you for your deep devotion to Maharishi-ji and Guru Dev, 
for your selfless service to these greatest Masters of the Holy Vedic Tradition 
of Knowledge.
 
 And we wish you to continue to soar in the flow of Pure Knowledge of Brahm in 
Brahman consciousness, and enjoy life in happiness, peace, freedom, affluence, 
life in Raam Raj. May through your kind heart the graceful blessings of 
Maharishi-ji and Guru Dev fill the world with all these qualities bringing it 
to the level of Invincibility and Perfection.
 
 All Glory to Guru Dev
 All Glory to Maharishi-ji
 ALLO GLORY TO MATA AMRITANANDA MAYI
 All Glory to God
 
 With all respect, love and appreciation,
 Frank Lotz & Family
 Jai Guru Dev
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which Scripture Did this Come From?

[Alex Stanley]

Sri Sri Google-ji tells me it's from the writings of Spinoza.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> God, or substance consisting of infinite attributes, of which each
> expresses eternal and infinite essentiality, necessarily exists.
> 
> Whatsoever is, is in God, and without God nothing can be, or be
conceived.
> 
> God acts solely by the laws of his own nature and is not constrained
> by anyone.
> 
> God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things.
> 
> God and all the attributes of God are eternal.
> 
> Intellect, in function finite, or in function infinite, must
> comprehend the attributes of God and the modifications of God, and
> nothing else.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which Scripture Did this Come From?

[curtisdeltablues]

I guess it is from the scripture of the "Presumptive Assumption". Or
it could be from the "Assertive Reality Imposition".  Or it could be
from a tape recording of a discussion at a pub around the closing
bell. (I also guess that she didn't end up going home with him if this
is his only rap!)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> God, or substance consisting of infinite attributes, of which each
> expresses eternal and infinite essentiality, necessarily exists.
> 
> Whatsoever is, is in God, and without God nothing can be, or be
conceived.
> 
> God acts solely by the laws of his own nature and is not constrained
> by anyone.
> 
> God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things.
> 
> God and all the attributes of God are eternal.
> 
> Intellect, in function finite, or in function infinite, must
> comprehend the attributes of God and the modifications of God, and
> nothing else.
>

[FairfieldLife] Which Scripture Did this Come From?

[new . morning]

God, or substance consisting of infinite attributes, of which each
expresses eternal and infinite essentiality, necessarily exists.

Whatsoever is, is in God, and without God nothing can be, or be conceived.

God acts solely by the laws of his own nature and is not constrained
by anyone.

God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things.

God and all the attributes of God are eternal.

Intellect, in function finite, or in function infinite, must
comprehend the attributes of God and the modifications of God, and
nothing else.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great Fairfield panty raid

[curtisdeltablues]

> My sentiments exactly. I'm imagining big, ugly
> cotton bloomers. I might be wrong, but I'm 
> thinkin' that most of the MD ladies are not
> loyal customers of Victoria's Secret.  :-)


I guess you never know.  I've heard that burkhas hide a world of
fancy-pants.  What is denied on the outer gets expressed on the inner,
or under, or whatever!  I don't suppose there has been much infusion
of new members over the decades so it might be more of a "Depends-
adult-diaper raid" which lacks a certain charm.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > --- MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > 
> > > Now that was disappointing. I was hoping for a panty
> > > raid on  MD.
> > 
> > "The horror..the horror."
> 
> My sentiments exactly. I'm imagining big, ugly
> cotton bloomers. I might be wrong, but I'm 
> thinkin' that most of the MD ladies are not
> loyal customers of Victoria's Secret.  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Comments from 2 who just took Diksha

[Ron]

Hello,

The following 3 posts gives insight into how the path goes over here. People 
may be 
surprised how direct it is, one may ask- Is the one speaking knowing from 
direct 
Realization, then you get a yes or no. 
In my previous background meaning TM, I was used to secretiveness and non 
direct 
circular answeres, so it is a breath of fresh air over here, it is like being 
surprised that 
such a thing exists as if one thinks all spiritual organizations and Gurus are 
like that:


Post 1

Namaste 

Siddhananada-Giri entered Full Realization on 20 July 
2007 
it is always good to 
see another one enter the Reality that 
cuts through the transient as 
maya. 

Maha Shanti OM 

0
post 2
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "skylar6504" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Namaste,


Namaste and Great Day - 

* because I don't exactly know what 
diksha is, I was not sure 
> 
of what to expect or what if anything would follow. The drive back 
> 
home took nearly 3 
hours but it could have been 3 minutes or three 
> days as far as my mind 
was concerned. 
What I mean is that I felt like 
> time did not exist. I really don't 
know how the car got Debi 
and I 
> home.

G yes one can enter into a consciousness in 
which time no longer 
has the 
same linear feeling. This is normal. 

* At one point during the 
drive home I had, what I 
thought was, a 
> strange sensation or more accurately no sensation. I No 
longer felt 
> my 
hands on the steering wheel or the seat beneath me. Also could not 
> 
feel my body. I 
keep grabbing my arms firmly or my head just to feel 
> the physical 
sensation. Felt like I 
was disappearing. I did get very 
> fearful and for a split second felt I 
had to stop the car 
> 
immediately. This lasted for most of the remaining trip. Debi 
> reminded 
me to do the 
balanced breath.
> 
> At one point I freaked out a bit and asked 
Debi to call Swami-G 
> 
and ask her what was happening.

G you should have called - 


* We did not call however. I 
would not 
> say it felt like an out of body experience, but how would i 
know what 
> that 
felt like, I did not see above or beyond what was in my field of 
> 
vision.

G it wasn't an out 
of body of experience but a loss of attachment 
to body and simply having 
awareness of 
consciousness. This an 
experience to show you are simply Consciousness 
and it is not 

something that is dependent on form. This is a normal happening 
on the 
path and it is 
good you have had this. What comes relax into 
it - you can call to make 
sure it is a normal 
happening and what to 
do. 

* Anyway I tried my best to just 
notice it and go with it, I just 
did 
> not want to wreck the car. Could be I was very tired, mentally 
wore 
> out? who 
knows, and I suppose it does not really matter any way.

G this 
doesn't come fron being 
tired - or worn out - it comes from 
being jogged into a different state 
of awareness. These 
types of things 
are signposts and show that you are indeed going deeper 
into your 

journey. This was all very positive.

Sajani

Maha 
Shanti OM 
0 


.
 post 3

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Debbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
Namaste,

Namaste and Great Day - 

* As all know today 
was Diksha day. The energy was 
felt very strongly, 
> especially going up my spine. No visions this 
time, just very contented 

> bliss. At the end when I picked my Diksha name I did not like it. I 
had 
> something in 
mind like Sajani/Sarojini/Passion Flower/Lotus Bloom, but 
> got 
something that seemed to 
me a bit too close to Echinachea. 

G Well you tried hard to pick a 
different one - but after 
two attempts 
and twice getting the same name then it is clear that is 
the one the 
universe 
has for you. It is for a specific reason. 

* Afterwards Guruji 
proceeded to point out that I 
needed to end my 
> relationship with my boyfriend. This conversation 
topic was not 
> 
expected so it came as a shock. Not only that, but I realized that if I 

> return home I will 
probably just continue with my life on the same 
> track, so not 
returning home at all and 
walking away from life as I 
> know it is entering in as a 
possibility.

G yes indeed - this 
counceling was given. This isn't a cult and this 
is a strange counceling 
that had to take 
place. The reason is when living 
with someone Heavily involved in Drug 
useage and (more 
than likely) 
Drug sales - and that has rages. When it is said that 
Sannyas is pulling you. 
Then 
YES indeed this councel is given. As when he gets arrested for Drug 

sales you also 
would pay the price. That or possibly worse. As in all things 
you have 
freewill and must 
make the choice as to what path and way 
you will go. But to NOT give 
this councel would 
be unethical here and 
would only wind up perpetuating ongoing suffering 
- as no matter 
how 
much one Hopes that they can change someone, Unless they want to 
change 
it isn't 
going to happen. This is reality and has to be looked at. 

* So I 
thought that today would 
be a

[FairfieldLife] 'Bush Needs to make: Public Apology'

[Robert]

Mr.Bush needs to apologize to the American people,
The people of Iraq, and the people of the world:
For making the world, more chaotic, more afraid...
We do not need to create more fear:
What fear is what we need to overcome...
Mr.Bush's policies have been upside down and backward.
His administration is collapsing from within.
You cannot base a business or a government on lies.
It just don't work.

Robert Gimbel  Seattle,WA. July 29, 2007

   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the TMO part of the Shankara tradition?

[Vaj]

On Jul 29, 2007, at 1:56 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


> Of course, Vaj is the incarnation of the Buddhist Tantrik
> Abhinava Gupta, who was so jealous of Shankara (MMY and TM).
> Vaj, you should have regular exams to look for fistulas.

I can't disagree with you here. :-



Too bad, then you might want to crack open your copy Hinduism for  
Dummies: Abhinavagupta was Hindu nondual tantric master not a Buddhist.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is the TMO part of the Shankara tradition?

[Vaj]

On Jul 28, 2007, at 11:03 PM, billy jim wrote:

Not a single part of Swami Rama's statement is based upon  
Shankara's actual written works or upon his transmissions to his  
disciples. Scholars of Shankara would consider the claims written  
below to be typical hindu nonsense.


Poor scholars!

Is a tradition of practice just is what is written down?

[FairfieldLife] 'Terror Prevention: Move bin Laden Family to NYC'

[Robert]

It seems to me, that instead of flying,
The bin Laden family out of the United States...
Wouldn't it have made more sense to integrate,
These friends of the President, to remain in the United States...
As an obligation as a family member:
Who has committed the atrocity, that he did.
Everything seems upside down and backward,
When it comes to our dealings with the Saudis;
And their strange ways...
Of loyalties, to whom?

 

   
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[FairfieldLife] 'NYT- Stories of Climate Change'

[Robert]

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world: relentless rain has caused flooding in Britain, India and Texas, and 
record-breaking heat has led to wildfires in Greece and in Utah — 
demonstrating, once again, how severe weather and climate change can quickly 
alter the landscape. But slower alterations in the earth’s natural features are 
happening, too, as a result of human activity, and some of these are far more 
drastic and  lasting. The Op-Ed page asked four writers to report on how the 
environment is faring in their parts of the globe. Here are their dispatches.
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[FairfieldLife] 'Kumbha Mela- First to be held in U.S.'

[Robert Gimbel]

New York, Aug 22, IANS)   Kumbha Mela, the most sacred of all Hindu
pilgrimages, will be held for the first time in the United States.

The Mela in the US is being organised on Sep 10 at Bren Center,
University of California Irvine, to usher in world peace by infusing
collective positivity, according to a press release.

It is being organised under the auspices of Paramahamsa Nithyananda,
Nithyananda Foundation; Swami Ishwarananda, Chinmaya Mission; Swami
Sarvadevananda, Vedanta Society; Dr. Acharya Yogeesh, Yogeesh Ashram;
and the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh.

The highlights of the celebrations will include a powerful Vishwa
Shanti Yagna, a Vedic style fire ceremony to invoke peace energy
through one of the purest elements of nature - fire - an abhishekam,
or offering of water from 21 holy rivers of India to all the deities,
and a grand procession with participation by various spiritual
organisations from across the US, the release stated.

'Homas' and 'aartis' will add to the daylong rituals, which will start
at 2 p.m.

In India, the Mela is held four times every 12 years and rotates
between Prayag (Allahabad), Haridwar, Ujjain and Nashik.

Each twelve-year cycle includes one Maha Kumbh Mela in Allahabad,
which is attended by millions of people, making it the largest
gathering anywhere in the world.

Legend has it that in the Vedic ages, gods and demons made a temporary
agreement to work together churning 'amrita' or the nectar of
immortality from the Ksheera Sagara (primordial ocean of milk), and to
share the nectar equally.

However, when the urn or 'Kumbha' containing the nectar appeared, the
demons ran away with it. The gods then gave a chase and for 12 days
and 12 nights the two sides fought for the possession of the urn.

In the course of the battle, four drops of nectar fell at Prayag,
Haridwar, Nashik and Ujjain. Hence the Mela is held at these four places.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stages of samâdhi, according to P-jali (or, Taimni?)?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> saMprajñâta-vitarka: savitarka > nirvitarka
> 
> asaMprajñâta
> 
> saMprajñâta-vicâra: savicâra > nirvicâra
> 
> asaMprajñâta
> 
> saMprajñâta-sânanda
> 
> asaMprajñâta
> 
> saMprajñâta-sasmitâ (sâsmitâ?)
> 
> nirbîja-samâdhi

> dharma-megha-samâdhi 

That diagram of Taimni's is mainly (save 'nirbiija' and 'dharma-
megha') based on YS I 17:

 vitarka-vicaaraanandaasmitaanugamaat samprajñaataH.

Without sandhi:

vitarka; vicaara; aananda; asmitaa; anugamaat samprajñaataH.

The next suutra defines(?) 'asamprajñaata-samaadhi':

 viraama-pratyayaabhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSo 'nyaH.

Without sandhi:

 viraama-pratyaya+abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSaH; anyaH.

Why does Patañjali "replace" the word 'asamprajñaataH' with
the pronoun 'anyaH' (the other [(kind of?) samaadhi]). Well, 
*perhaps*, because would he've used 'asamprajñaataH', it would've 
become ''samprajñaataH' by the same rule of sandhi as 'anyaH' 
becomes ''nyaH'... :o