[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the planet in Vedic Astrology that is primarily responsible for enlightenment is the same planet that is primarily associated with suicide. Read in depth about Ketu, and some of the traits associated with it, and you'll understand. This is a basic concept a lot of people involved with spirituality don't understand. The basis of spirituality is utter frustration with material life. That frustration leads to one of two things: Liberation or Suicide. But the frustration in the beginning is a sign that the soul is at least maturing, even if unable to take the hard hits for a lifetime. Isn't it fascinating how the people who sought refuge in a spiritual path because they were... uh...clinically depressed, near unto suicide, find all sorts of ways to project their own depression onto the larger world of spirituality? Here's a guy who honestly seems to believe that the ONLY reason one would become interested in spirituality is frustration with material life. That may be the reason *HE* became interested in spirituality, but it certainly doesn't describe me, or thousands of people over the centuries who became interested in spirituality because *it was interesting*. We didn't flee to spirituality, or seek refuge there from a world we were afraid of and unable to cope with, we chose to *include* another side of the world (the spiritual world) into one we already enjoyed and had some success and a lot of fun with (the material world). We do not feel -- and have never felt -- that one has to reject one to enjoy the other. The conjunction of the spiritual and the material worlds is best described by both/and, not either/or. Liberation or suicide? And those are the only two choices this guy can see? Sounds like mental ill- ness to me, not spirituality. That's bipolar disorder, perceiving the world as either/or when it is really both/and.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 30 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 06 00:00:00 2009 575 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jun 05 00:05:57 2009 50 authfriend jstein@ 48 Robert babajii_99@ 47 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 46 Vaj vajradhatu@ 38 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com == 24 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 22 do.rflex do.rflex@ 18 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ [...] 12 sparaig LEnglish5@ Amazing what proper medication does for you... Indeed. Congratulations. And I mean that sincerely. It's been fascinating to watch the change that has taken place in your posts over the last few months, one that I think is very positive, and one that I would characterize as a lack of attachment to having one's buttons pushed. If there were a medication that would accomplish that for more of our FFL brethren and sisteren, I would vote for it being made available for free. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Remedial Education: How To Seduce A Girl
Presented as a free training film for BillyG and jr_esq. It demonstrates how they probably got the way that they are, and why they're so fearful of women. But in the end, this short clip shows the tried-and-true method of finding true love: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2912540/how_to_seduce_a_girl/ Very funny, really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remedial Education: How To Seduce A Girl
Barry, Has this method been approved by your Boss down below? Otherwise, you're just whistling dixie. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Presented as a free training film for BillyG and jr_esq. It demonstrates how they probably got the way that they are, and why they're so fearful of women. But in the end, this short clip shows the tried-and-true method of finding true love: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2912540/how_to_seduce_a_girl/ Very funny, really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remedial Education: How To Seduce A Girl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Barry, Has this method been approved by your Boss down below? Otherwise, you're just whistling dixie. The method of seduction that finally succeeds in this short film was *invented* by my boss down below. :-) As attested to by that great sage Dorothy Parker: If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. [http://innocova.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/donald-trump-je-nanuk-zmrzl\ ina_v.jpg] [http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/21/knMURDOCH_narrowweb__300x4\ 12,0.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Presented as a free training film for BillyG and jr_esq. It demonstrates how they probably got the way that they are, and why they're so fearful of women. But in the end, this short clip shows the tried-and-true method of finding true love: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2912540/how_to_seduce_a_girl/ http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2912540/how_to_seduce_a_girl/ Very funny, really.
[FairfieldLife] Er... Paulin taika-kaulin (Paul[i]'s magic rolling pin: Maxwell's silver hammer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaXWg8v8TmA
[FairfieldLife] 'The Relationship of Vaj and Maharishi'
'The Battle Between: The Traditionalists and The Transcendentalists' 'The Difference Between Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama. We start centuries ago, in Ancient Greece, to the root of the issue. Long ago in Ancient Greece... Was the same battle between Vaj and Maharishi... Back then, in Ancient Greece, Maharishi was the One Known as Socrates... Vaj was a member of the 'Traditionalists'...of that period... The Tradionalists saw Socrates as a threat, as he was attracting huge numbers of young followers... Besides that, instead of commanding the children in rigid dogma... Socrates invited questions, and then made commentary on the questions, asked... Vaj was the main leader of the Traditionalists He and his compatriots, did wish for Socrates to be extinguished. They set a plan in motion, which would end in the: 'Death of Socrates'... Alas, many tears were shed. ...many, many of his young followers were in perpetual mourning for their 'Beloved Master'. . They all took a vow, that if they should ever meet the 'Great One' ...again... They would remain by his side, they would protect him from harm. He was so loved, by so many, in 'those days'... And, So, In this Lifetime, it is the same, A kind of Universal Love, we feel for him... That we all feel for Him Except for a few...? God Bless Maharishi Mahesh Yogi... As well as Barack Obama and the United States of America. Jai Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] The Relationship of Fairfield Life TBs and Vaj
Forget Robert's hysterical comparison of Vaj to Hitler and the enemies of Socrates. Forget EmptyBill's EmptyRhetoric and EmptyGrudge and EmptySoul. Forget Judy's attempt to prove Vaj a liar, as she attempts for pretty much everyone she doesn't like. Forget Off and Nabby altogether. :-) What's *really* going on with the pile on Vaj thang, eh? I mean, it's a real phenomenon. SURE Vaj pisses people off and pushes their buttons. And SURE he does it intentionally. But the HYSTERIA with which Robert and others react *when* he pushes their buttons is what intrigues me. It seems to me -- whether you like him or hate him -- that Vaj just fuckin' OWNS these people. He has an intuitive feel for what their samskaric hot buttons are, and how to push them. In a Buddhist monastery, where seekers actually want to *get rid of* their samskaras, he would actually be appreciated. If your spiritual goal is to elim- inate your hot button overreactions, the person who can push those buttons is your *friend*. He or she reveals to you the things you still need to work on. But here he's not only not perceived as a friend, he's perceived as evil, an enemy, Hitler, the kind of person who tormented Socrates. I think that by going as over the top as they have been going when Vaj successfully pushes their buttons and demonstrates how completely he OWNS them, the folks who have been trying their damnedest to demonize Vaj have been revealing more about themselves and their spiritual slacker mentality than his. Clearly these people do *NOT* want to eliminate or control their own hot button issues. Instead, they *celebrate* them, they wear their oh-so-easily- pushable hot buttons on their sleeves, and trot them out as if their anger and their outrage and yes, their hysteria should actually be viewed as a Good Thing. And I'm sure that there are people here who are a few cans short of a spiritual six-pack who actually do see it that way. I'm not one of them. What I see is a guy who has a serious 'tude about Maharishi, TM, and the TM movement who is OWNING the lazy, slacker TMers whose buttons he can push without even break- ing a sweat. There are people on this forum who love Maharishi and love TM and even (although I'm not sure how) love the TM movement, and who DO NOT spend all their time being OWNED by Vaj and overreacting to the things he says. They don't play pile on when the spiritual slackers start ragging on him. They don't seem upset at all. Them I respect. They may despise the guy too for all I know, BUT THEY KEEP IT IN THEIR PANTS. The spiritual slackers CAN'T keep it in their pants. Push their buttons and they just *have* to react hysterically, or angrily, or mean-spiritedly, spring a hot-button-boner and start waving it all around. And they actually seem to believe that doing so makes them look good. I don't think so. This is *NOT* an attempt to demonize them in retaliation or as any kind of defense of Vaj. This is what I honestly, truly, and completely think of all these pile on folks. Spiritual slacker is the term I used, and spiritual slacker is the term I meant. They're committed to *indulging* their own hot button issues rather than dealing with them and eventually eliminating them. I think that's sad, because it enables someone like Vaj to completely run their lives.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Shemp, take a load off your mind. Go see a doctor and look into a heart scan. You'll learn if your fears are justified or not. If you have advanced heart disease, you can do something about it. If not, you can worry about something else! What if he doesn't have healthcare like so many of your Americans now after the Bush administrations destruction of everything? Do you advocate health care for all like in my country Dixon? OffWorld Hey fruity - I know we are supposed to have health care for all in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK. Yes it (seems) free, but if the experience of my friends and relatives is anything to go by, it's often stretching it to call it health care. Personally I avoid seeing the quack like the plague (appropriately enough as our poorly managed hospitals seem to be so badly affected by MRSA and C.difficle). Take a look at these stats for 2000-2002 - I guess you're not likely to be moving to Scotland any time soon if you have any fear of the big C?
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Rep. Christopher Lee has NOT Cosponsored Audit the Fed
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:36 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:59 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Hey vaj, Why do you insist on calling Maharishi, Mahesh? I don't consider him a Maharishi or a Yogi--and that's what Swami Brahmananda Saraswati called him, someone I respect. I'll defer to SBS and other Hindu sages I respect. Eh, you have an interesting perspective Michelle Obama calls him Barack, so that's what you should call the POTUS also? I do almost always refer to him as Barack, rarely President Obama, but probably just because I like the sound of his name. O'bama is just too Irish sounding. :-) And as for what SBS called him, seems to me that you probably have no idea unless Paul Mason has documented some conversation or speech where SBS refers to his secretary as Mahesh in public... I believe it was the Kropinski interview with the Shankaracharya of the north where I first heard it. Then others who also called him Mahesh, it was typically because they actually found it offensive that he called himself a Maharishi, a very grandiose title, very presumptuous. Anyhew, I'm with the guy in the lion chair on this one. :-) The specific Shankaracharya of the North that Kropinski talked to was in a battle for custody of the math with someone who was supporting MMY. TO cite HIM as an unbiased source for how SBS addressed MMY is beyond silly. The other Shankarakcharya of the North, the one mentioned by name in Anandama Moi's online cv, told MY friend ( a prominent Hindu/ sanskrit scholar) that MMY would have been his first choice as his successor but for the caste issue. Who you going to believe? The Shank. is so corrupt, I doubt I'd trust any of those people. TB's will say anything to get their hero into the Shank. seat, even if they have to lie or kill to do it. So I don't know if I believe any of them. All this tells me (these incessant disputes and in-fightings at most of the seats) is that while the Shank. presumably has some redeeming qualities (preservation of the Advaita vedanta trad., Smarta ideals), in reality they're just another corrupt organization with monks vying for power. I have much more respect for the Mahamandaleshwars than a bunch of pompous Vaishnavite popes. And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: [snip] And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-) A mind like a supermarket. What does that mean? That there's just about everything you could ever want from the entire world there? And accessible to all, in a way that in bygone times would have only been possible for a privileged elite?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [snip] And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-) A mind like a supermarket. What does that mean? Busy. No silence. Not busy AND silence? (How would anyone know?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: All this excitement about IP addresses! Mine is a dedicated IP (but many are shared, which makes it even more pointless). You can give it your best shot if you like: 82.69.127.249 nslookup 82.69.127.249 Canonical name: 82-69-127-249.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk I think that the IP info you will get is London, England (Or Manchester depending on how you look it up). Either way, don't go looking for me there for any unpaid bills - you'll be over 200 miles out. http://www.zen.co.uk/ Your ISP appears to be based out of Rochdale. I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that you are somewhere in the UK.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: [snip] And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-) A mind like a supermarket. What does that mean? Busy. No silence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: All this excitement about IP addresses! Mine is a dedicated IP (but many are shared, which makes it even more pointless). You can give it your best shot if you like: 82.69.127.249 nslookup 82.69.127.249 Canonical name: 82-69-127-249.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk I think that the IP info you will get is London, England (Or Manchester depending on how you look it up). Either way, don't go looking for me there for any unpaid bills - you'll be over 200 miles out. http://www.zen.co.uk/ Your ISP appears to be based out of Rochdale. I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that you are somewhere in the UK. Rochdale = Manchester roughly. As I say - nowhere near me at all (in fact about as far away you can get from me and still be in the same country). OK, you've got me down to one of 60 million or so, but I'm not yet worried about my identity being compromised!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
I took it that a mind like a supermarket is a money whore who'll offer any john almost anything to satisfy almost any addiction. Such a market can be expected to stock their end-caps on their best sellers like: a box of chocolate covered Stroke-Ya's for the egos of millionaires, freeze dried Bloody Knees for the poor who think groveling is holy, individual serving sized Rapid Rapes for the newbie babes who don't know enough to not bend over in the presence of Bevan or Hag, gummy bear multi-colored chewies Tar Babies for all the teachers to chew before giving a first lecture so that their smiles are sure to have everyone's religions' favorite colors represented in their glommy grills and, of course, Sweets For Nuts that sweetener that looks like sugar, tastes like sugar, but leaves a lifelong bitter after taste that cannot be gotten rid of even if you wash your mouth with Vaj's Rinse. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [snip] And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-) A mind like a supermarket. What does that mean? That there's just about everything you could ever want from the entire world there? And accessible to all, in a way that in bygone times would have only been possible for a privileged elite?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
I didn't get Off's original post so I'll answer him via this post. All the more reason to shell out the bucks now! A couple of years ago heart scan were advertised locally for only a couple or three hundred dollars. Better get it while you can! As soon as Obama healthcare comes you may have a long wait, provided you would be allowed to have one at all. Shemp, under OBama health care , you may have a *duty* to die and leave those healthcare dollars for someone younger and more disadvantaged. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Richard M compost...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 11:19 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com mailto:FairfieldLif e...@yahoogroups. com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Shemp, take a load off your mind. Go see a doctor and look into a heart scan. You'll learn if your fears are justified or not. If you have advanced heart disease, you can do something about it. If not, you can worry about something else! What if he doesn't have healthcare like so many of your Americans now after the Bush administrations destruction of everything? Do you advocate health care for all like in my country Dixon? OffWorld Hey fruity - I know we are supposed to have health care for all in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK. Yes it (seems) free, but if the experience of my friends and relatives is anything to go by, it's often stretching it to call it health care. Personally I avoid seeing the quack like the plague (appropriately enough as our poorly managed hospitals seem to be so badly affected by MRSA and C.difficle). Take a look at these stats for 2000-2002 - I guess you're not likely to be moving to Scotland any time soon if you have any fear of the big C?
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: All this excitement about IP addresses! Mine is a dedicated IP (but many are shared, which makes it even more pointless). You can give it your best shot if you like: 82.69.127.249 nslookup 82.69.127.249 Canonical name: 82-69-127-249.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk I think that the IP info you will get is London, England (Or Manchester depending on how you look it up). Either way, don't go looking for me there for any unpaid bills - you'll be over 200 miles out. http://www.zen.co.uk/ Your ISP appears to be based out of Rochdale. I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that you are somewhere in the UK. Rochdale = Manchester roughly. As I say - nowhere near me at all (in fact about as far away you can get from me and still be in the same country). http://profiles.yahoo.com/compost1uk Indeed! OK, you've got me down to one of 60 million or so, but I'm not yet worried about my identity being compromised! You're intelligent, informed, and not an angry, paranoid half-wit, so, of course, you're not worried!
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: All this excitement about IP addresses! Mine is a dedicated IP (but many are shared, which makes it even more pointless). You can give it your best shot if you like: 82.69.127.249 nslookup 82.69.127.249 Canonical name: 82-69-127-249.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk I think that the IP info you will get is London, England (Or Manchester depending on how you look it up). Either way, don't go looking for me there for any unpaid bills - you'll be over 200 miles out. http://www.zen.co.uk/ Your ISP appears to be based out of Rochdale. I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that you are somewhere in the UK. Rochdale = Manchester roughly. As I say - nowhere near me at all (in fact about as far away you can get from me and still be in the same country). OK, you've got me down to one of 60 million or so, but I'm not yet worried about my identity being compromised! But don't forget that according to Nabby FFL is home to at least four people he has accused of being CIA operatives working full-time to discredit TM and Maharishi. *WE* know where you live. evil chuckle :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remedial Education: How To Seduce A Girl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Presented as a free training film for BillyG and jr_esq. It demonstrates how they probably got the way that they are, and why they're so fearful of women. But in the end, this short clip shows the tried-and-true method of finding true love: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2912540/how_to_seduce_a_girl/ Very funny, really. Can't think of anything I've seen in years that's more sexist or that appealed as much under my radar to my man's funny bone. Talk about your yin-yang dissonance. Women's emotions simply scare the fuck out of men who have lived whole lives without exploring their own feelings. Most men want, say, three or four feelings to target and that's about it: like: the I'm winning feeling, the I'm powerful feeling, the I got laid without having to have a relationship feeling, the See my new toy feeling, etc. Ask your typical man to go through the we're friends cards at a Hallmark store and choose the best one for his babe, and it's like being waterboarded to him. Distinguish the nuances of greeting cards? What are you, nuts? Like that. Trying to build a nest for a family requires money, but miss at your own peril, men, that it's about the nest not the money. Women don't want the money. Men want the money for its symbolic power, and can be happy to just sit on a pile of it and do no earthly good with it, but women want the purchases not the powers in order to do good to their children. To reduce women to being money grubbers is men projecting, yes? So much for analyzing the genders into ilks. All folks are blends of both genders. Ya do gets women who are unable to stop building their nests and must drape it with diamonds and servants. Ya do gets men who will invest in honor, truth, and love such that it pretty much assures that they'll never be rich. Here at FFL, I don't see manly men or two hearted women -- mostly mixed breeds here. Spiritual mulattoes R Us. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Rachel Maddow: Obama's game-changing speech in Egypt
A lot of people in Kabul and across the Islamic world simply had their mouths open when they were listening to this speech. They couldn't believe what they were hearing. They have not heard this kind of language from an American President. ~~ Richard Engel, NBC News via Newsbusters: http://snipurl.com/jhzsk Rachel Maddow: The 3rd Rail - Obama's game-changing speech in Egypt Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ihalUjJksE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Hmmm, here's a guy who played an enlightened person -- guess mood making isn't a very good technique... Only a troll would use David Carradine's death as an excuse to bash the Marshy. You're either a psychopath or a sociopath. Either way, you're one sick individual. Why are you TMO types so screwed up in the head? I fail to see how that is bashing MMY. If Edg is pointing out that mood-making isn't a very good thing then isn't that SUPPORTING MMY's teaching in which mood-making was frowned upon?
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Randy - on Mahesh
Vaj's use of Mahesh is like a nice Zen Master's smack across your back with a bamboo pole. Keeps you focused. I use Maharishi almost exclusively, since he captured my heart and there's a ton of old patterns still operative that I have not been able to yank out by the roots. To me, using Mahesh violates too many values-I-no-longer-invest-in-but-are-still-there. So, keep using it, Vaj, I still need it. Even if I was a TB still, I would need it. Mahesh, when used herein, is a great big gong being bonked that says, Marauding heartless fake guru. To the degree that it bothers one is the exact degree of one's actual belief in Maharishi -- the more it bothers, the more you really are not sold out to him. This is a public forum, so Vaj gets to yell from his stump like all the rest of us on our stumps. His use of Mahesh clearly challenges all to choose what they really believe and invest in it. When Vaj says Mahesh, he's saying that the emperor is naked if you but see that he's not wearing the Maharishi clothing he pretends he's wearing. If you see Maharishi as fully clothed, then your first reaction should be that Vaj, what's up with his eyesight, eh? But if you're angry at Vaj, then to that exact degree are you disappointed in Maharishi not having a well clothed image that can easily withstand such a semantic onslaught. To Vaj, Maharishi was a businessman who fleeced millions and taught them to never trust another guru who promised enlightenment to any and all like a pardoner selling the Pope's Promise of Heaven. That's one big fucking sin, if true, eh? If it's true to Vaj, then no wonder he uses Mahesh. Wouldn't you? If so, do you refer to Hitler as Der Für in the presence of his followers -- out of respect? Nope. Vaj is true to his POV. That Vaj comes here daily and uses Mahesh, is another issue. I don't get why he thinks this motley crew deserves his attention. Perhaps he'll share. Maharishi is dead dead dead, Vaj. The TMO is dying dying dying. Why sow your seeds amongst such dry rocks? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Randy, You are showing a bit of naiveté about Vaj. Now that you are feeling nice and relieved about NagaVaj's expansive views please remember his method of turning around your post to imply you had a poisoned intent. He demonstrated it just a few posts ago. Post 220779 @ 01:12 p.m. Vaj: Randy, this is not a Maharishi list, it's for all sorts of different people, but what most seem to share in common is that at one time they had some connection to TM, Mahesh, FF, etc. I think it's pretty rude of YOU to assume that all TMers are ignorant. His reply was a typical Vaj snarl. It means you were pressing uncomfortably close by your query into his real purpose for being here. His suddenly gracious view misdirected you pretty well to another topic. He is quite experienced at doing this here on the forum. Randy said - Hey vaj, Why do you insist on calling Maharishi, Mahesh? For whatever reason he went by that name (and I have read all the various stories of whether the name was conferred officially or people just started calling him that, or whatever the reason,) it was his name. Its just disrespectful. No matter what what you think of him, it was his name. By you (and others here) calling him Mahesh, it implies a variety of things, such as he wasn't really a maharishi. or he wasn't really a saint or even I know better who really was etc. Give it up. Do you really think he did not help many, many people in the world and therefore calling him a saint (which is the common expression for any of these types of people in India) is not justified? I think many of us here have some issues with some of the things he has done, or the way he ran his organization etc., but still there is nothing wrong with showing some respect. Frankly, it makes you seem arrogant. No matter what you think of him, show some respect --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer rm108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Randy Meltzer wrote: So Vaj, if you don't consider him a maharishi or a yogi, what are you doing on this forum? Do you feel its your job to somehow bring the light of knowledge to all us ignorant Tmers? Randy, this is not a Maharishi list, it's for all sorts of different people, but what most seem to share in common is that at one time they had some connection to TM, Mahesh, FF, etc. I think it's pretty rude of YOU to assume that all TMers are ignorant. What I meant by us ignorant TMers is the fact that your posts
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.netwrote: If Edg is pointing out that mood-making isn't a very good thing then isn't that SUPPORTING MMY's teaching in which mood-making was frowned upon? Maharishi spoke against mood making but around the turn of the millennium mood making was redefined. The emphasis became what you place your attention on will grow. The very mood making Maharishi spoke against years ago is both practiced and honored on the MUM campus. There are a lot of people on FFL, all of them off the program, who strive to exhibit equanimity and spirituality. This runs all the way from Vaj, who wants us to believe he's The Buddha to Barry, who thinks it's a good thing to push people's buttons (try it where I live and you die), to Rick, who's given us insight into how he keeps his perspective by looking at pictures of how big the cosmos is versus how little we are. If nothing else, all of the speeches Bevin, John and others give are designed to focus our attention on seeing things in a cosmic perspective. Reading the #1 Invincible America experiences serve the purpose of egging other CPs on to also having these experiences. Mood making is good. It's official. -- Pretty. Smart. Sane. Pick two.
[FairfieldLife] Italian cops with *far* too much time on their hands
This is a short film from the 1950s showing an Italian Police motorcycle drill team: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-UrLvYrKYVD8/1950s_italian_police_motorcycle_drill_team/ While it's impressive in a way, it does seem to fit the classic definition of Too much time on their hands.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Shemp, take a load off your mind. Go see a doctor and look into a heart scan. You'll learn if your fears are justified or not. If you have advanced heart disease, you can do something about it. If not, you can worry about something else! What if he doesn't have healthcare like so many of your Americans now after the Bush administrations destruction of everything? Do you advocate health care for all like in my country Dixon? OffWorld Hey fruity - I know we are supposed to have health care for all in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK. Yes it (seems) free, but if the experience of my friends and relatives is anything to go by, it's often stretching it to call it health care. That's because half of your people can't afford to go to hospital and get treated you moron, so they are not in the stats. My Dad had a multiple bypass 15 years ago, and is going to get complete replacement knee next week -- all for free. Anyone, any age gets what they need by the best trained doctors in the world. Your Health Care costs are the biggest threat to your country. It is literally a national security issue at this point - much more dangerous than Al Quaida. Republicans don't get this, that is why Bush/Cheney have left the country on its knees. Your country will go bankrupt if it is not addressed. Your hospitals- which are not hospitals, but businesses) are going bankrupt (http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 ), half your population cannot get helath care and are left out of any other stats altogether, and (god forbid) you ever personally have an elderly person that you have to pay for for years that sends you bankrupt, you will entirely change your tune. This is what happens to many people in your country. I know of specific cases where even wealthy families WITH health insurance, went bankrupt because of an illness over a decade that cost a fortune. This is impossible to happen in Britain. Your health system is fast becoming for the rich only - who will fast become poor. Your doctors are in the money-making business, not care. Your hospitals are over-crowded, and you half your people are thrown out on the street with no care. Richard once again your ignorance is astounding. Your state of your Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA - you are just too dumb to understand that. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Shemp, take a load off your mind. Go see a doctor and look into a heart scan. You'll learn if your fears are justified or not. If you have advanced heart disease, you can do something about it. If not, you can worry about something else! What if he doesn't have healthcare like so many of your Americans now after the Bush administrations destruction of everything? Do you advocate health care for all like in my country Dixon? OffWorld Hey fruity - I know we are supposed to have health care for all in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK. Yes it (seems) free, but if the experience of my friends and relatives is anything to go by, it's often stretching it to call it health care. That's because half of your people can't afford to go to hospital and get treated you moron, so they are not in the stats. My Dad had a multiple bypass 15 years ago, and is going to get complete replacement knee next week -- all for free. Anyone, any age gets what they need by the best trained doctors in the world. Your Health Care costs are the biggest threat to your country. It is literally a national security issue at this point - much more dangerous than Al Quaida. Republicans don't get this, that is why Bush/Cheney have left the country on its knees. Your country will go bankrupt if it is not addressed. Your hospitals- which are not hospitals, but businesses) are going bankrupt (http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 ), half your population cannot get helath care and are left out of any other stats altogether, and (god forbid) you ever personally have an elderly person that you have to pay for for years that sends you bankrupt, you will entirely change your tune. This is what happens to many people in your country. I know of specific cases where even wealthy families WITH health insurance, went bankrupt because of an illness over a decade that cost a fortune. This is impossible to happen in Britain. Your health system is fast becoming for the rich only - who will fast become poor. Your doctors are in the money-making business, not care. Your hospitals are over-crowded, and you half your people are thrown out on the street with no care. Richard once again your ignorance is astounding. Your state of your Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA - you are just too dumb to understand that. OffWorld The system is obviously broken. But I suggest that there is a case to be made that there is NOT a free market of health care in the U.S. and that this is part of the problem. For example, supply of doctors is controlled by a monopoly called the American Medical Association which, by force of law in I believe all 50 states, has the right to say who and who does not become a doctor. There needs to be a competitive market allowed in this area and alternative medicines and medical treatment given as much consideration (tax-wise and otherwise) just as AMA-sanctioned practises do. As for socialized medicine: I, like Off World, grew up under a universal health care program. It is NOT as hunky-dory as he makes it out to be and there can be long waits for treatments of which the same is given almost immediately in the States. And let's not forget that about 45 cents of every health care dollar already spent in the U.S. is paid for by the government.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Shemp, take a load off your mind. Go see a doctor and look into a heart scan. You'll learn if your fears are justified or not. If you have advanced heart disease, you can do something about it. If not, you can worry about something else! What if he doesn't have healthcare like so many of your Americans now after the Bush administrations destruction of everything? Do you advocate health care for all like in my country Dixon? OffWorld Hey fruity - I know we are supposed to have health care for all in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK. Yes it (seems) free, but if the experience of my friends and relatives is anything to go by, it's often stretching it to call it health care. That's because half of your people can't afford to go to hospital and get treated you moron, so they are not in the stats. My Dad had a multiple bypass 15 years ago, and is going to get complete replacement knee next week -- all for free. Anyone, any age gets what they need by the best trained doctors in the world. Dream on. Not my experience mate. Your Health Care costs are the biggest threat to your country. It is literally a national security issue at this point - much more dangerous than Al Quaida. Republicans don't get this, that is why Bush/Cheney have left the country on its knees. Your country will go bankrupt if it is not addressed. Your hospitals- which are not hospitals, but businesses) are going bankrupt (http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 ), half your population cannot get helath care and are left out of any other stats altogether, and (god forbid) you ever personally have an elderly person that you have to pay for for years that sends you bankrupt, you will entirely change your tune. This is what happens to many people in your country. I know of specific cases where even wealthy families WITH health insurance, went bankrupt because of an illness over a decade that cost a fortune. This is impossible to happen in Britain. Your health system is fast becoming for the rich only - who will fast become poor. Your doctors are in the money-making business, not care. Your hospitals are over-crowded, and you half your people are thrown out on the street with no care. Richard once again your ignorance is astounding. Your state of your Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA - you are just too dumb to understand that. OffWorld Off, er... (diffidently)... In my post I was reporting from the perspective of someone who lives in the UK! Perhaps I did not make myself clear when I referred to 'health care for all' in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK? (Dear Cousins, This is the NHS as we call it on our side of the pond. It is supposed to be free at the point of delivery. Michael Moore is a big fan it seems. But then he doesn't live here. I do, and I believe the NHS is diabolically awful. Some sort of compromise between the U.S. system and our system is needed maybe. And I believe that is what the French Germans have. But I most sincerely hope no Obamatons get the idea that it would be good to try and copy our system!)
[FairfieldLife] Agni: Archetype of the Self
To All: As hinted in MMY's Apaurousia, Agni represents the Self from which the five elements of life (fire, earth, air, ether, and water) have sprouted. Agni traditionally is recognized as the fire god. But from a symbolic point of view, Agni can represent pure consciousness, the fire that burns within all living beings. Therefore, the realization of the self means mastery of the mechanics in the universe. As the Rig Veda sings, the Ved cannot do anything for anyone if a person is not aware of It. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
You might want to look to which planet rules masturbation because Hong Kong police have ruled it death by masturbation. That should prove quite an embarrassment to the family. But Hollywood folks tend to live wild and woolly lives and take things to extremes. Of course some might say that folks on FFL might have that same planetary signification. ;-) seekliberation wrote: I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the planet in Vedic Astrology that is primarily responsible for enlightenment is the same planet that is primarily associated with suicide. Read in depth about Ketu, and some of the traits associated with it, and you'll understand. This is a basic concept a lot of people involved with spirituality don't understand. The basis of spirituality is utter frustration with material life. That frustration leads to one of two things: Liberation or Suicide. But the frustration in the beginning is a sign that the soul is at least maturing, even if unable to take the hard hits for a lifetime. Seekliberation (aka - Mike Brown)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: Off, er... (diffidently)... In my post I was reporting from the perspective of someone who lives in the UK! Perhaps I did not make myself clear when I referred to 'health care for all' in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK? (Dear Cousins, This is the NHS as we call it on our side of the pond. It is supposed to be free at the point of delivery. Michael Moore is a big fan it seems. But then he doesn't live here. I do, and I believe the NHS is diabolically awful. Some sort of compromise between the U.S. system and our system is needed maybe. And I believe that is what the French Germans have. But I most sincerely hope no Obamatons get the idea that it would be good to try and copy our system!) Speaking as someone who has lived in France and who now lives in Spain, I have to agree wholeheartedly with Richard. There are many good things about the Euro-system. There are also many not-quite-so-good things. For example, in France, where the system was seemingly designed to pander to hypochondriacs (You may laugh, if you have not lived there, but I have), their health care system works great until you want to venture into the realm of alternative services that are not provided under the umbrella of the oh-so-protectionist French health care system. By that I mean that alternative care providers can only exist in France by paying off a licensed French MD to represent them, and claim that they are working under his or her direct supervision. Thus an acupuncturist who is licensed to provide anaesthetic services during *surgery* in China is not allowed to practice in France unless some French-certified MD fronts him or her, and takes a generous cut of his or her earnings for doing so. What can I say? It's a racket. That said, I think that the European nations -- based on having lived in them for the last six years -- have a very different approach to the concept of health care than Americans do. They believe that adequate health care -- not just reactive but also preventative -- falls into the category of basic human right, not luxury. And so they tend to do a better job of caring for the majority of their citizens than Americans do. Also in their favor is that Euro-nations have not spent the decades since World War II spending literally *half* of their Gross National Product on defense, which is a euphemism for both Better ways to kill people, and Subsidies for Defense Industries. America has. It had nothing *left over* with which to take care of its own citizens. Its citizens' health care is the result of decades of paranoia. *None* of the Euro nations -- IMO -- have a lock on the best or most efficient way to provide quality health care to their citizens. *Every* system I have yet encountered on the European continent has its good sides and its bad sides. But *on the whole*, the Euro approach brings *compassion* for one's fellow human beings into the equation, and the U.S. system does not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Bottom line, if you don't want your country of origin to be revealed, DON'T FUCKING POST YOUR IP ADDRESS ON FFL!!! Alex Stanley and Rick Archer; what a pair ! Alex Stanley; you are a total FUCKING IDIOT. WE POSTED NO IP-ADRESS: YOU DID; MORON ! FUCK OFF ! I'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to understand even the most basic concepts involved in the transmission of email, but the fact remains that you have no idea what you're talking about. Although people using the Yahoo Groups website may see it only as a web-based forum, it is actually an email list system, and every post is archived in its original email form, minus any file attachments. For example, here is one of your posts from several years ago that I randomly selected: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/41033 If you look to the right of the message body, you will see either Show Message Option or Hide Message Option. Clicking it toggles between the two, and when you click Show Message Option, you get a number of options below it that you can click on. One of those options is View Source. Doing that with your above post shows your original email, that you and you alone are responsible for posting publicly to FFL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/41033?source=1var=1l=1 There, in all its publicly viewable glory, is your IP address: 80.111.68.171 which a DNS lookup reveals as: Canonical name: cm-80.111.68.171.chello.no .no is the country code for Norway. All I've done is taken an IP address from the header of a message and put it in the body of a message. Just because it takes an extra click or two to access the message header doesn't make it any less public than the message body. So, please, do FFL a favor and stop acting like an ill-behaved five year old. These idiotic temper tantrums of yours reflect only your own huge intellectual and emotional shortcomings. If those shortcomings make FFL an inhospitable place for you, then you should unsubscribe. If unsubscribing is too difficult for you to figure out, I would be more than happy to do it for you.
[FairfieldLife] Bladerunner Web Series
Ridley Scott is making a Bladerunner web series (eventually to be seen on TV): http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/web-series-tied-to-blade-runner-is-in-the-works/ Should be interesting plus it will be produced with a Creative Commons license which will mean you can download it, edit it and post wherever you want. Ridley seems to be up with the times at even if Hollyweird isn't: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sony-Pictures-CEO-The-Internet-Is-Stupid-102602 The Internet isn't stupid but Michael Lynton looks like he is. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] America's Tokyo Rose
And the title goes to Rush Limbaugh! http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/04/limbaugh-obama-beating-al-qaeda-in-race-to-demolish-the-america-we-know/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] *None* of the Euro nations -- IMO -- have a lock on the best or most efficient way to provide quality health care to their citizens. *Every* system I have yet encountered on the European continent has its good sides and its bad sides. But *on the whole*, the Euro approach brings *compassion* for one's fellow human beings into the equation, and the U.S. system does not. Many Euro countries (UK excepted IMO) do seem to have come up with good solutions. Or least worst at any rate. We now have many health tourists going to the continent (including Spain I believe) to attempt to get better and/or faster treatment. The problem with the UK's system is that it is a huge top-down bureaucracy. Very cold war, East European. Yes it's true that the founding ideal was compassion, but the outcome has so often proved to be the exact opposite. Such institutions are capable of the most cold-hearted cruelty. As an example, my father broke his hip at the age of 85. He was left on a trolley in a hospital corridor for nearly three days while waiting for treatment. But his story is quite normal and not nearly as bad as it gets! The treatment of the elderly by the NHS seems to be particularly heartless. On the face of it yes, one could claim that the U.S. has spent her wealth on the military, whilst Europe has invested in health care for her citizens. But that rather ignores the benefit Europe has had from being able to shelter behind American skirts since 1945, no?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: On the face of it yes, one could claim that the U.S. has spent her wealth on the military, whilst Europe has invested in health care for her citizens. But that rather ignores the benefit Europe has had from being able to shelter behind American skirts since 1945, no? Doesn't that imply that Europe bought into the need to shelter behind American skirts? In other words, although the contribution to Euro-defense during WWII by the Americans cannot be denied, it has been often *exaggerated* by both Americans and Europeans, in the decades since, to get Europeans to buy into the need to keep fueling the American Military Industrial Complex. And there is simply no question that the Americans have used this We owe the Americans our lives mentality to rape Europe economically and in many other ways ever since. And with Europe's full cooperation. Of *all* the nations whose troops were involved in World War II, Americans contributed the fewest, and *lost* the fewest soldiers. Compare and contrast to the image they have care- fully projected to the world since.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 30 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 06 00:00:00 2009 575 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jun 05 00:05:57 2009 50 authfriend jstein@ 48 Robert babajii_99@ 47 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 46 Vaj vajradhatu@ 38 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com == 24 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 22 do.rflex do.rflex@ 18 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ [...] 12 sparaig LEnglish5@ Amazing what proper medication does for you... Indeed. Congratulations. And I mean that sincerely. It's been fascinating to watch the change that has taken place in your posts over the last few months, one that I think is very positive, and one that I would characterize as a lack of attachment to having one's buttons pushed. If there were a medication that would accomplish that for more of our FFL brethren and sisteren, I would vote for it being made available for free. :-) Present company excepted of course, since the fact that you are in the top 6, with a 35% gap between the top 6 and the rest of us, doesn't suggest that you have posting issues of your own. IOW, now that I'm slightly better, suddenly I don't distract everyone from the issues that the remaining top posters reveal. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:36 PM, sparaig wrote: [...] The other Shankarakcharya of the North, the one mentioned by name in Anandama Moi's online cv, told MY friend ( a prominent Hindu/ sanskrit scholar) that MMY would have been his first choice as his successor but for the caste issue. Who you going to believe? The Shank. is so corrupt, I doubt I'd trust any of those people. TB's will say anything to get their hero into the Shank. seat, even if they have to lie or kill to do it. So I don't know if I believe any of them. All this tells me (these incessant disputes and in-fightings at most of the seats) is that while the Shank. presumably has some redeeming qualities (preservation of the Advaita vedanta trad., Smarta ideals), in reality they're just another corrupt organization with monks vying for power. I have much more respect for the Mahamandaleshwars than a bunch of pompous Vaishnavite popes. I note that inadvertently (I'm sure) you snipt the part that shows that I already made this point: Who you going to believe? The answer isn't clearcut, IMHO. = left out for some reason And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-) King Tony was raised a Christian, and I think it a mark of the universal nature of MMY's teaching that he (King Tony) didn't feel compelled to shade his own religious/cultural interpretation of MMY's destination with Hindu interpretations of the same. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 30 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 06 00:00:00 2009 575 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jun 05 00:05:57 2009 50 authfriend jstein@ 48 Robert babajii_99@ 47 Richard J. Williams willytex@ 46 Vaj vajradhatu@ 38 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 37 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com == 24 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com 22 do.rflex do.rflex@ 18 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ [...] 12 sparaig LEnglish5@ Amazing what proper medication does for you... Indeed. Congratulations. And I mean that sincerely. It's been fascinating to watch the change that has taken place in your posts over the last few months, one that I think is very positive, and one that I would characterize as a lack of attachment to having one's buttons pushed. If there were a medication that would accomplish that for more of our FFL brethren and sisteren, I would vote for it being made available for free. :-) Present company excepted of course, since the fact that you are in the top 6, with a 35% gap between the top 6 and the rest of us, doesn't suggest that you have posting issues of your own. IOW, now that I'm slightly better, suddenly I don't distract everyone from the issues that the remaining top posters reveal. Lawson, Unlike some here, I do not deny you your own take on the situation, or its validity. From my side, to be honest, I've been trying to provoke a little interest lately, in lieu of bailing from FFL altogether. The place has kinda lost its interest for me, now that Curtis has chosen to focus on doing creative things vs. pissing his energy away here, and a few others (who, frankly, were the only reasons I stuck around) have done the same. So, if you'd like, consider my high numbers a last gasp, an attempt to see if there is any life left in the Olde FFL, from my obviously jaded perspective. If so, I'll stick around. If not, I'll bail. And THEN watch what happens to the Judys and the Edgs and the Nabbys who...even you have to admit it...live for my posts, and for refuting them, if only in their own minds. I was being seriously complimentary in my earlier post. I have followed, and admired, the good things about your point of view for years. I have not admired as much some aspects of that point of view that seemed to be at times...uh...out of your control, and the result of feeling that you had to respond compulsively to someone or something that had pushed your buttons. You rarely do that any more. That places you head and shoulders above most posters to FFL I have watched over the years. You have changed; they have not. You win.
[FairfieldLife] Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans' health dollars. + + -Single-Payer National Health Insurance- is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely private. Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite spending more than twice as much as the rest of the industrialized nations ($7,129 per capita), the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality and immunization rates. Moreover, the other advanced nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 45.7 million completely uninsured and millions more inadequately covered. The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans' health dollars. Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do. Under a single-payer system, all Americans would be covered for all medically necessary services, including: doctor, hospital, preventive, long-term care, mental health, reproductive health care, dental, vision, prescription drug and medical supply costs. Patients would regain free choice of doctor and hospital, and doctors would regain autonomy over patient care. Physicians would be paid fee-for-service according to a negotiated formulary or receive salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO / group practice. Hospitals would receive a global budget for operating expenses. Health facilities and expensive equipment purchases would be managed by regional health planning boards. A single-payer system would be financed by eliminating private insurers and recapturing their administrative waste. Modest new taxes would replace premiums and out-of-pocket payments currently paid by individuals and business. Costs would be controlled through negotiated fees, global budgeting and bulk purchasing. ~ ~ Much more at link including Single Payer Facts and Myths FAQ that debunk the usual self-serving for-profit Insurance Industry talking points ~~ Physicians for a National Health Program http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php ALSO at link: The Case Against For-Profit Care Overview: The High Costs of For-Profit Care Editorial by David Himmelstein, MD and Steffie Woolhandler, MD in the Canadian Medical Association Journal For-Profit Hospitals Cost More and Have Higher Death Rates Devereaux, PJ Payments at For-Profit and Non-Profit Hospitals, Can. Med. Assoc. J., Jun 2004; 170 Devereaux, PJ Mortality Rates of For-Profit and Non-Profit Hospitals, Can. Med. Assoc. J, May 2002; 166 For-Profit Hospitals Cost More and Have Higher Administration Expenses Himmelstein, et al Costs of Care and Admin. At For-Profit and Other Hospitals in the U.S. NEJM 336, 1997 For-Profit HMOs Provide Worse Quality Care Himmelstein, et al Quality of Care at Investor-Owned vs. Not-for-Profit HMOs JAMA 282(2); July 14, 1999 For-Profit Medicare Plans Cost 11 Percent More Than Traditional Medicare MedPac Report, Jun 9, 2006
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@...wrote: If Edg is pointing out that mood-making isn't a very good thing then isn't that SUPPORTING MMY's teaching in which mood-making was frowned upon? Maharishi spoke against mood making but around the turn of the millennium mood making was redefined. The emphasis became what you place your attention on will grow. The very mood making Maharishi spoke against years ago is both practiced and honored on the MUM campus. There are a lot of people on FFL, all of them off the program, who strive to exhibit equanimity and spirituality. This runs all the way from Vaj, who wants us to believe he's The Buddha to Barry, who thinks it's a good thing to push people's buttons (try it where I live and you die), to Rick, who's given us insight into how he keeps his perspective by looking at pictures of how big the cosmos is versus how little we are. If nothing else, all of the speeches Bevin, John and others give are designed to focus our attention on seeing things in a cosmic perspective. Reading the #1 Invincible America experiences serve the purpose of egging other CPs on to also having these experiences. Mood making is good. It's official. We, there's mood making to try to convince yourself that you are enlightened, and there's mood-making as in being polite and socially acceptable. A lot of upper rank TMers seem to miss the distinction. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] Also in their favor is that Euro-nations have not spent the decades since World War II spending literally *half* of their Gross National Product on defense, which is a euphemism for both Better ways to kill people, and Subsidies for Defense Industries. America has. [snip] Before you open your big, fat mouth about things you know nothing about, why don't you actually do some research? Show me one year since WWII when half of the GDP was spent on defense. For goodness sake's, even with Obama's $3.8 trillion budget this year (which includes defense as just one category of spending, which is not even the largest one) that only represents about 25% of the entire GDP. How does this guy spout off this stuff without knowing what he is talking about?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
And they're wasting a lot of health dollars fighting single payer health care by putting money into the hands of the congress critters. I don't think we're every going to have a decent health care system without have a civil war or revolution so we can erase the blackboard and start all over again. The United State of America is going to be a text book example of what is wrong with capitalism. do.rflex wrote: Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans' health dollars. + + -Single-Payer National Health Insurance- is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely private. Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite spending more than twice as much as the rest of the industrialized nations ($7,129 per capita), the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality and immunization rates. Moreover, the other advanced nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 45.7 million completely uninsured and millions more inadequately covered. The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans' health dollars. Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do. Under a single-payer system, all Americans would be covered for all medically necessary services, including: doctor, hospital, preventive, long-term care, mental health, reproductive health care, dental, vision, prescription drug and medical supply costs. Patients would regain free choice of doctor and hospital, and doctors would regain autonomy over patient care. Physicians would be paid fee-for-service according to a negotiated formulary or receive salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO / group practice. Hospitals would receive a global budget for operating expenses. Health facilities and expensive equipment purchases would be managed by regional health planning boards. A single-payer system would be financed by eliminating private insurers and recapturing their administrative waste. Modest new taxes would replace premiums and out-of-pocket payments currently paid by individuals and business. Costs would be controlled through negotiated fees, global budgeting and bulk purchasing. ~ ~ Much more at link including Single Payer Facts and Myths FAQ that debunk the usual self-serving for-profit Insurance Industry talking points ~~ Physicians for a National Health Program http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php ALSO at link: The Case Against For-Profit Care Overview: The High Costs of For-Profit Care Editorial by David Himmelstein, MD and Steffie Woolhandler, MD in the Canadian Medical Association Journal For-Profit Hospitals Cost More and Have Higher Death Rates Devereaux, PJ Payments at For-Profit and Non-Profit Hospitals, Can. Med. Assoc. J., Jun 2004; 170 Devereaux, PJ Mortality Rates of For-Profit and Non-Profit Hospitals, Can. Med. Assoc. J, May 2002; 166 For-Profit Hospitals Cost More and Have Higher Administration Expenses Himmelstein, et al Costs of Care and Admin. At For-Profit and Other Hospitals in the U.S. NEJM 336, 1997 For-Profit HMOs Provide Worse Quality Care Himmelstein, et al Quality of Care at Investor-Owned vs. Not-for-Profit HMOs JAMA 282(2); July 14, 1999 For-Profit Medicare Plans Cost 11 Percent More Than Traditional Medicare MedPac Report, Jun 9, 2006
Re: [FairfieldLife] Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote: Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Sometimes hospitals (which are now for profit conglomerates though theoretically they are non-profit), doctors and insurance companies are running a scam together. A few months ago a friend of mine lost his balance on a stair case, tumbled and bruised himself a bit. EMT (a public service which cost him/his insurance company $600 for a 2 mile ride) took him to the diagnostic hospital nearby. After about 6 hours in the ER and running up a $7,000 ER bill as they performed every expensive scan they could on him, my friend was getting dressed to go home. In walked a neurologist. He told my friend that by law my friend could not drive until six months had passed or he underwent one week of observation, tethered to EEG leads and under video camera surveillance for a week. My friend told the neurologist that he did not have a convulsion, no one in his family had ever had one, and anyway his company would not pay for him to take off a week for such a thing nor would his insurance company pay for it. Plus his EEG was as flawless as a TMSP flier's could be with those gamma delta tau waves and all. The neurologist assured my friend that he had contacted the insurance company. They would foot the entire bill plus pay my friend's salary for the week. The neurologist told my friend that he picked out a nice executive suite for my friend, with DVD, WII, Wi-Fi, gourmet meals ordered off a menu, just sign here. Just a coincidence that these accommodations were the max the insurance company would cover, remember. Total cost for losing balance? One week tethered to EEG leads, privacy only in the bathroom, one hour of strobe lights aimed at him every day, one week lost on an important project and $38,000 in medical bills, all paid for by my friend's insurance company. My friend was released when the week was up and since his wife dropped the car off outside, he drove the 2 miles home, scratching his head all the time. The biggest insult was getting a thank you note from the hospital conglomerate's CEO a week after he got back home. Get this. The insurance company also paid for guest meals. So visitors were immediately given a menu when they/I went to see my friend. Now, President Obama, tell me how this $38,000, including visitor's meals at $16 a pop, fits in with Evidence Based Medicine? Meanwhile in another part of town at the city hospital where people without fabulous insurance go...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?) Just out of curiosity, I did a reverse IP lookup and found this: 80.111.68.171 resolves to cm-80.111.68.171.chello.no Top Level Domain: chello.no Country IP Address: AUSTRIA Does this mean that Nabby is in Austria and not Norway?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Sometimes hospitals (which are now for profit conglomerates though theoretically they are non-profit), doctors and insurance companies are running a scam together. A few months ago a friend of mine lost his balance on a stair case, tumbled and bruised himself a bit. EMT (a public service which cost him/his insurance company $600 for a 2 mile ride) took him to the diagnostic hospital nearby. After about 6 hours in the ER and running up a $7,000 ER bill as they performed every expensive scan they could on him, my friend was getting dressed to go home. In walked a neurologist. He told my friend that by law my friend could not drive until six months had passed or he underwent one week of observation, tethered to EEG leads and under video camera surveillance for a week. My friend told the neurologist that he did not have a convulsion, no one in his family had ever had one, and anyway his company would not pay for him to take off a week for such a thing nor would his insurance company pay for it. Plus his EEG was as flawless as a TMSP flier's could be with those gamma delta tau waves and all. The neurologist assured my friend that he had contacted the insurance company. They would foot the entire bill plus pay my friend's salary for the week. The neurologist told my friend that he picked out a nice executive suite for my friend, with DVD, WII, Wi-Fi, gourmet meals ordered off a menu, just sign here. Just a coincidence that these accommodations were the max the insurance company would cover, remember. Total cost for losing balance? One week tethered to EEG leads, privacy only in the bathroom, one hour of strobe lights aimed at him every day, one week lost on an important project and $38,000 in medical bills, all paid for by my friend's insurance company. My friend was released when the week was up and since his wife dropped the car off outside, he drove the 2 miles home, scratching his head all the time. The biggest insult was getting a thank you note from the hospital conglomerate's CEO a week after he got back home. Get this. The insurance company also paid for guest meals. So visitors were immediately given a menu when they/I went to see my friend. Now, President Obama, tell me how this $38,000, including visitor's meals at $16 a pop, fits in with Evidence Based Medicine? Meanwhile in another part of town at the city hospital where people without fabulous insurance go... Really? I don't know any health insurance companies that cover lost wages. What company was it? I would describe the relationship between docs and insurers as almost adversarial, hardly in cahoots. We aren't going to get a single payer plan this time around. There aren't the votes. At best, if we have enough legislators with balls, we will have a federal option plan to go along with the private plans. Too soon to tell.
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /TMO -- the Odd Side/RWC vs. MMY.pdf Uploaded by : vajradhatu108 vajradh...@earthlink.net Description : Robin Carlsen (and 8 MIU students) vs. MMY, Iowa District Court 6/2/83 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/TMO%20--%20the%20Odd%20Side/RWC%20vs.%20MMY.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, vajradhatu108 vajradh...@earthlink.net
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gandharva Veda, per a previous Sankaracharya
On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:32 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:36 PM, sparaig wrote: [...] The other Shankarakcharya of the North, the one mentioned by name in Anandama Moi's online cv, told MY friend ( a prominent Hindu/ sanskrit scholar) that MMY would have been his first choice as his successor but for the caste issue. Who you going to believe? The Shank. is so corrupt, I doubt I'd trust any of those people. TB's will say anything to get their hero into the Shank. seat, even if they have to lie or kill to do it. So I don't know if I believe any of them. All this tells me (these incessant disputes and in-fightings at most of the seats) is that while the Shank. presumably has some redeeming qualities (preservation of the Advaita vedanta trad., Smarta ideals), in reality they're just another corrupt organization with monks vying for power. I have much more respect for the Mahamandaleshwars than a bunch of pompous Vaishnavite popes. I note that inadvertently (I'm sure) you snipt the part that shows that I already made this point: sigh Lawson, despite all the aspersions cast upon me by you and Our Dear Editor, per FFL posting guidelines, I just snip above what I think is relevant for brevity's sake. There is no mysterious intent behind my snips other than brevity. My close personal relationship with Lord Voldemort has had no influence on my snipping style. Who you going to believe? The answer isn't clearcut, IMHO. = left out for some reason And of course one should be a realizer. Given that one of the Shanks. described M's mind as being like a supermarket, one doubts his level of awareness as much different from any other Hindu Donald Trump. Realizers of Brahman don't go to heaven, do they? ;-) King Tony was raised a Christian, and I think it a mark of the universal nature of MMY's teaching that he (King Tony) didn't feel compelled to shade his own religious/cultural interpretation of MMY's destination with Hindu interpretations of the same. Well Lawson I'm sorry to say becoming the first Vedic King in recent history might just belie your assertion. [last post due to limits]
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?) Just out of curiosity, I did a reverse IP lookup and found this: 80.111.68.171 resolves to cm-80.111.68.171.chello.no Top Level Domain: chello.no Country IP Address: AUSTRIA Does this mean that Nabby is in Austria and not Norway? None of my IP lookup tools return any results with Austria on Nabby's IP, so I guessed that you probably used a website to look it up. I did a Google search on your exact words 'reverse IP lookup' and the first result is http://remote.12dt.com/. I ran Nabby's IP through it, and sure enough, it returned: 80.111.68.171 resolves to cm-80.111.68.171.chello.no Top Level Domain: chello.no Country IP Address: AUSTRIA If you research Chello, you'll discover it is a very large broadband provider, operating in many different countries, including Austria. However, my hunch is that it's highly unlikely that Chello gives Norwegian IP addresses to its users in Austria. But, why does that site say it's in Austria? Well, a WHOIS lookup on Nabby's IP directs me to RIPE.NET's WHOIS server: http://www.ripe.net/whois Plug in Nabby's IP, and the answer is clear: http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=80.111.68.171do_search=Search inetnum: 80.108.0.0 - 80.111.255.255 org: ORG-CBG1-RIPE netname: AT-TELEKABEL-20010719 descr: Chello Broadband GmbH descr: Provider Local Registry country: AT admin-c: HMCB1-RIPE tech-c: HMCB1-RIPE status: ALLOCATED PA status: definitions mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT mnt-lower: CHELLO-MNT mnt-lower: PRIO-MNT mnt-routes: AS6830-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered organisation:ORG-CBG1-RIPE org-name:Chello Broadband GmbH org-type:LIR address: UPC Austria GmbH Erlachgasse 116 1100 Vienna Austria phone: +43 1 96068 5000 fax-no: +43 1 96068 5666 e-mail: hostmaster [...@] chello.at The RIPE database lists the company as being based in Austria. And, notice that the email contact has a chello.at email address. The country code for Austria is .at, and I betcha that Chello's Austrian users receive Austrian IP address. I'm willing to bet that if Chello gave Nabby a .no IP address, it means he's actually in Norway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Shemp, take a load off your mind. Go see a doctor and look into a heart scan. You'll learn if your fears are justified or not. If you have advanced heart disease, you can do something about it. If not, you can worry about something else! What if he doesn't have healthcare like so many of your Americans now after the Bush administrations destruction of everything? Do you advocate health care for all like in my country Dixon? OffWorld Hey fruity - I know we are supposed to have health care for all in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK. Yes it (seems) free, but if the experience of my friends and relatives is anything to go by, it's often stretching it to call it health care. That's because half of your people can't afford to go to hospital and get treated you moron, so they are not in the stats. My Dad had a multiple bypass 15 years ago, and is going to get complete replacement knee next week -- all for free. Anyone, any age gets what they need by the best trained doctors in the world. Your Health Care costs are the biggest threat to your country. It is literally a national security issue at this point - much more dangerous than Al Quaida. Republicans don't get this, that is why Bush/Cheney have left the country on its knees. Your country will go bankrupt if it is not addressed. Your hospitals- which are not hospitals, but businesses) are going bankrupt (http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 ), half your population cannot get helath care and are left out of any other stats altogether, and (god forbid) you ever personally have an elderly person that you have to pay for for years that sends you bankrupt, you will entirely change your tune. This is what happens to many people in your country. I know of specific cases where even wealthy families WITH health insurance, went bankrupt because of an illness over a decade that cost a fortune. This is impossible to happen in Britain. Your health system is fast becoming for the rich only - who will fast become poor. Your doctors are in the money-making business, not care. Your hospitals are over-crowded, and you half your people are thrown out on the street with no care. Richard once again your ignorance is astounding. Your state of your Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA - you are just too dumb to understand that. OffWorld The system is obviously broken. But I suggest that there is a case to be made that there is NOT a free market of health care in the U.S. and that this is part of the problem. For example, supply of doctors is controlled by a monopoly called the American Medical Association which, by force of law in I believe all 50 states, has the right to say who and who does not become a doctor. There needs to be a competitive market allowed in this area and alternative medicines and medical treatment given as much consideration (tax-wise and otherwise) just as AMA-sanctioned practises do. As for socialized medicine: I, like Off World, grew up under a universal health care program. It is NOT as hunky-dory as he makes it out to be and there can be long waits for treatments of which the same is given almost immediately in the States. And let's not forget that about 45 cents of every health care dollar already spent in the U.S. is paid for by the government. Almost 50 million US citizans are not insured. That is more than the population of Spain. It is the worst system in the civilised world. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?) Just out of curiosity, I did a reverse IP lookup and found this: 80.111.68.171 resolves to cm-80.111.68.171.chello.no Top Level Domain: chello.no Country IP Address: AUSTRIA Does this mean that Nabby is in Austria and not Norway? Dunno why, but I've got the impression Nabby's native language is German. But perhaps I'm wrong...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: Your Health Care costs are the biggest threat to your country. It is literally a national security issue at this point - much more dangerous than Al Quaida. Republicans don't get this, that is why Bush/Cheney have left the country on its knees. Your country will go bankrupt if it is not addressed. Your hospitals- which are not hospitals, but businesses) are going bankrupt (http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=58696 ), half your population cannot get helath care and are left out of any other stats altogether, and (god forbid) you ever personally have an elderly person that you have to pay for for years that sends you bankrupt, you will entirely change your tune. This is what happens to many people in your country. I know of specific cases where even wealthy families WITH health insurance, went bankrupt because of an illness over a decade that cost a fortune. This is impossible to happen in Britain. Your health system is fast becoming for the rich only - who will fast become poor. Your doctors are in the money-making business, not care. Your hospitals are over-crowded, and you half your people are thrown out on the street with no care. Richard once again your ignorance is astounding. Your state of your Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA - you are just too dumb to understand that. OffWorld Off, er... (diffidently)... In my post I was reporting from the perspective of someone who lives in the UK! Oh, I apologize, I thought you were that jerk Richard from Texas. My Bad. This is the NHS as we call it on our side of the pond. It is supposed to be free at the point of delivery. Michael Moore is a big fan it seems. But then he doesn't live here. I do, and I believe the NHS is diabolically awful. Some sort of compromise between the U.S. system and our system is needed maybe. And I believe that is what the French Germans have. But I most sincerely hope no Obamatons get the idea that it would be good to try and copy our system!) You are nuts, almost 50 million people in the USA -- HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE ! ! ! That is more people than the whole population of Spain ! My Dad, lives in Britain, and had a multiple bypass 15 years ago, and is going to get complete replacement knee next week -- all for free. In America, a fully insured wealthy family is at risk of bankruptcy if a family member gets sick for a decade. The US state of Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: Off, er... (diffidently)... In my post I was reporting from the perspective of someone who lives in the UK! Perhaps I did not make myself clear when I referred to 'health care for all' in the Glorious People's Health Service of the UK? (Dear Cousins, This is the NHS as we call it on our side of the pond. It is supposed to be free at the point of delivery. Michael Moore is a big fan it seems. But then he doesn't live here. I do, and I believe the NHS is diabolically awful. Some sort of compromise between the U.S. system and our system is needed maybe. And I believe that is what the French Germans have. But I most sincerely hope no Obamatons get the idea that it would be good to try and copy our system!) Speaking as someone who has lived in France and who now lives in Spain, I have to agree wholeheartedly with Richard. There are many good things about the Euro-system. There are also many not-quite-so-good things. You are an idiot Turq. Almost 50 million people in the USA -- HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE ! ! ! That is more people than the whole population of Spain ! The US state of Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry Absolutely Almost 50 million people in the USA have no health insurance ! ! ! That is more people than the whole population of Spain ! The US state of Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans' health dollars. + + -Single-Payer National Health Insurance- is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely private. Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite spending more than twice as much as the rest of the industrialized nations ($7,129 per capita), the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality and immunization rates. Moreover, the other advanced nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 45.7 million completely uninsured and millions more inadequately covered. The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans' health dollars. Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do. Under a single-payer system, all Americans would be covered for all medically necessary services, including: doctor, hospital, preventive, long-term care, mental health, reproductive health care, dental, vision, prescription drug and medical supply costs. Patients would regain free choice of doctor and hospital, and doctors would regain autonomy over patient care. Physicians would be paid fee-for-service according to a negotiated formulary or receive salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO / group practice. Hospitals would receive a global budget for operating expenses. Health facilities and expensive equipment purchases would be managed by regional health planning boards. A single-payer system would be financed by eliminating private insurers and recapturing their administrative waste. Modest new taxes would replace premiums and out-of-pocket payments currently paid by individuals and business. Costs would be controlled through negotiated fees, global budgeting and bulk purchasing. ~ ~ Much more at link including Single Payer Facts and Myths FAQ that debunk the usual self-serving for-profit Insurance Industry talking points ~~ Physicians for a National Health Program http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php ALSO at link: The Case Against For-Profit Care Overview: The High Costs of For-Profit Care Editorial by David Himmelstein, MD and Steffie Woolhandler, MD in the Canadian Medical Association Journal For-Profit Hospitals Cost More and Have Higher Death Rates Devereaux, PJ Payments at For-Profit and Non-Profit Hospitals, Can. Med. Assoc. J., Jun 2004; 170 Devereaux, PJ Mortality Rates of For-Profit and Non-Profit Hospitals, Can. Med. Assoc. J, May 2002; 166 For-Profit Hospitals Cost More and Have Higher Administration Expenses Himmelstein, et al Costs of Care and Admin. At For-Profit and Other Hospitals in the U.S. NEJM 336, 1997 For-Profit HMOs Provide Worse Quality Care Himmelstein, et al Quality of Care at Investor-Owned vs. Not-for-Profit HMOs JAMA 282(2); July 14, 1999 For-Profit Medicare Plans Cost 11 Percent More Than Traditional Medicare MedPac Report, Jun 9, 2006
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Really? I don't know any health insurance companies that cover lost wages. What company was it? UHC. My friend had signed up for disability insurance with UHC through his Fortune 5 company. I would describe the relationship between docs and insurers as almost adversarial, hardly in cahoots. Most of the people I know have UHC. UHC is very heavily into diagnostics. Whereas most insurance companies will pay for one of a certain test a year, UHC will pay for as many as the doctor wants to order. Want a second, third, fourth opinion at say Mayo, Hopkins, Menninger? UHC will pay. I would hardly consider it adversarial where the doctor just happened to be on call (and officed in the hospital complex) and made all the arrangements with the insurance company for pre-authorized coverage before visiting my friend with the option of having my friend surrender his drivers license to the officer outside or sign the paperwork for a week worth of wasting a bed, a bunch of nurses and 3 shifts of EEG technicians shared with one other patient (who's insurance wasn't as good so she didn't get an executive suite with a DVD player or Wii in it). The doctors and their staffs in my area have learned how to play the insurance companies. They know just the words needed to get those pre-authorizations out of the major insurance companies in my area. It appears Obama's gotten to the likes of UHC. People get calls at the hospital or home while recuperating from UHC asking if there's anything more UHC could do to help. I know of one case where the patient was having a problem adjusting to her illness. UHC offered to locate a counselor for her, as her company provided counseling as a benefit administered by UHC. I'd suspect that if you've got UHC through a Fortune 50 million company YMMV. We aren't going to get a single payer plan this time around. There aren't the votes. At best, if we have enough legislators with balls, we will have a federal option plan to go along with the private plans. Too soon to tell. I see nothing but disaster. We need Evidence Based Medicine. My friend's trip to the ER, let alone his one week work up violated EBM all 4 miles round trip of the way. Then in another part of town there are all these people who use the ER out of necessity as though it were a local nurse practicioner. My town only has a few nurse practioners and they provide anesthesia survices at the high dollar day surgery clinics in town. If we were to get EBM, nurse practicioners performing triage and giving care as needed, we'd save a bundle in the aggregate. It's estimated that every trip to the ER in any part of town here starts at $2,000. Cut out a bunch of unnecessary $2,000 visits, cut out my friend's $38,000 boondoggle and after a while you're talking some real money saved. Saved by the taxpayers, saved by the insurance companies, saved by employers and their employed. Instituting electronic medical records interchange isn't going to save any money. My friend told his story to EMS technicians, a triage nurse, a bunch of ER nurses, a bunch of different ER doctors, the neurologist and then to nurses, EEG techs, a pharmacist and some doctors when he got upstairs. It turns out that though the hospital has one of the finest records systems in the country and everyone is walking around with PDAs or PC tablets, the records are organized so poorly that staff would rather blow the time to ask the patient for a history, meds, etc. rather than consult the MRS. The one good thing I see that might save a little money is the doctor/hospital/lab proposal to insurance companies and the governments to be able to submit a single bill. Right now a single week stay in the hospital will generate a hundred or more different bills which have to be settled by the insurance company, the governments, those billing and the patient. Another good thing which might come out is if the insurance companies/governments start refusing to pay for 2nd and 3rd admissions to hospitals because the hospital didn't get the care right the first time. This is all a far cry from universal $300 per person per month insurance premiums. $300 a month per person would easily cover everyone's medical needs if EBM were truly put in practice. At $300 per person companies, individuals and governments could pay for everyone in the US out of petty cash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] Also in their favor is that Euro-nations have not spent the decades since World War II spending literally *half* of their Gross National Product on defense, which is a euphemism for both Better ways to kill people, and Subsidies for Defense Industries. America has. [snip] Before you open your big, fat mouth about things you know nothing about, why don't you actually do some research? Show me one year since WWII when half of the GDP was spent on defense. I have to agree with Turq on this. If you take Social Security out of the equation, then almost every year more than half was spent on military. Social Security trust fund was inserted into the equation by the Republicans in the 1960's to try to hide their exorbitant defense spending. It has no business being in there because it is a trust find and not the Government's to use, spend, or touch. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: IPs (was which guru best?)
out on a limb and guess that you are somewhere in the UK. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: Rochdale = Manchester roughly. As I say - nowhere near me at all (in fact about as far away you can get from me and still be in the same country). OK, you've got me down to one of 60 million or so, but I'm not yet worried about my identity being compromised! Om okay, Richard M evidently writes not as an admitted meditator not living in the Fairfield area. Richard, just wondering what is the nature of your burning interest in FFL? Did you ever live in Fairfield? In what way might you have an interest either in Fairfield or meditating. Or, are you or were you ever a practicing meditator? Fallen off the wagon don't/won't meditate? You post a lot. Where you coming from? You live near or in that TM community in UK? Just wondering. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kwai Chang Caine drops the body on purpose
Here's a guy who honestly seems to believe that the ONLY reason one would become interested in spirituality is frustration with material life. I don't beleive that the only reason people become interested in spirituality is due to 'depression' or frustration with material life. Anyone of any nature can get involved with any experience. For example, you don't have to grow up in a rough neighborhood to become interested in martial arts. But generally, it's those who have been attacked the most who will become the best fighters, not the people who are interested in martial arts, and I feel the same with spirituality. It seems in any bible, or vedic scripture, the characters held in most esteem who make the most spiritual progress are those who are at some point pushed to the edge where they are forced to surrender to divinity, as opposed to people who have a 'mental curiosity' about divinity That may be the reason *HE* became interested in spirituality, but it certainly doesn't describe me, or thousands of people over the centuries who became interested in spirituality because *it was interesting*. Generally, interesting is a quality associated with Mercury, a mental planet, and also considered the most superficial of all the planets influencing our consciousness. A lot of meditators and governers i've met have mercury in the 8th, 9th or 12th house. I'm just saying that you shouldn't consider mental interest in something as a tendency to capture the essence of a certain experience. We didn't flee to spirituality, or seek refuge there from a world we were afraid of and unable to cope with, we chose to *include* another side of the world (the spiritual world) into one we already enjoyed and had some success and a lot of fun with (the material world). We do not feel -- and have never felt -- that one has to reject one to enjoy the other. The conjunction of the spiritual and the material worlds is best described by both/and, not either/or. This approach to spirituality is best characterized by Venus and Jupiter, both are Brahman planets that allow our consciousness to live in this world and experience the benefits of spirituality simultaneously. I agree with you that this is a more balance approach to living in this world. Liberation or suicide? And those are the only two choices this guy can see? Sounds like mental ill- ness to me, not spirituality. That's bipolar disorder, perceiving the world as either/or when it is really both/and. Liberation and suicide are clearly 2 polar extremes of the same planet (ketu). And yes, it's a sign of bi-polar snydrome. I was pointing this out due to an earlier post stating something wrong with David Carradine. The general attitude about suicide is that the individual must be of lower consciousness, or generally unevolved. Same with the planet Mars, which has 2 extremes, courage or temper problems. Or Jupiter, wisdom or arrogance, or Venus, Beauty or Extravagance. I wasn't implying that it's one or the other, but more so it's a matter of how well our consciousness handles the influence of a certain planet. Whether we express the positive or negative quality of a specific planet is dependant on our handling of its energy. But it's not necessarily a sign of how evolved we are. But then again, there's a theory that the whole suicide thing is some sort of 'masturbation attempt'. seekliberation (Mike Brown)
Re: [FairfieldLife] which guru best?
Of what Gharana tradition is Sri Satyanda? Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? wrote: Hari bol new7892001ji, I hope all is well for your family in every realm of life. We have mantras for any geography, culture or linguistic root. You can choose one from column A, or perhaps you will like two from column B. [?] YaddaWaddAnanda or YaddaWon WaddaBing to make you raise that kundalini thing. [?] Me not know much either, though I can speak to you with veracity that samadhi is close at hand. Kidding aside, once experienced, you'll know that samadhi was always very close by and always available, and despite the hysterionics of grandpompous vanity surfing ubiquitous in the fashionably yogi tourist routs, samadhi is as available now to you and me and everyone on this list as it is to anyone who is or may be enlightened today or in the past. Getting over the conceits that make us believe we are not already enlightened or that enlightenment is a lifestyle for others, not one's self, is a colossal step toward arriving at enlightenment for they are all lies frothing from tamas and are integral to the inner chatter born of pseudo-culture! Human form, sincerity, implicit faith, and determination are your guarantors for delivering yourself to enlightenment -- it's waiting for you, for us. Along with these, I can assure you that no matter what guru you find, if you do asanas regularly, pranayama like sharing the breath with a lover[god], and the rest of sahaj yoga, samadhi will most certainly come quickly, and along with it enlightenment. After regular practice of asanas for some time, months perhaps, find the best available chi kung / qi qong instructor, do chi kung from the standing sinking pose [surrounded by cushions in case you get samadhi while standing]. Truthful spiritual practices, asanas, then later chi kung: samadhi will be yours in short order, then there will be nothing you don't know or can't do [bodhi jinana / bodhi dharma], you and the Universe will be one, you, or the 'you' you will know then will be an instrument of the Universe, not metaphorically, rather in reality and fully aware of it. Every breath will be as a kiss with the Universe no longer objectified, rather subjectified in your mutual singularity, and whole galaxies will be born from your heart, in balance and spun fully with dharma and satyam. As a youngster I was a fan of Maharishi, Vedantic acharya, and recruited hundreds of people to involve TM in their lives. I've found a Tantrika guru since then and speak from my experience through his instruction and samkalpa. Finding your real guru is not an extroversive experience ... demand the guru's presence with you immediately and relinquish all selfishness concurrently. Your true guru and enlightenment most certainly will be yours promptly. Are you sincere? Then it will happen. Satya *Tantra is an intuitional science, not a sect, and no cult to join* *Learn more here today*: Tantra Psychology http://tantrapsychology.learn.to/ http://Learn.to/TantraPsychology/ http://learn.to/TantraPsychology/ *Mysticism is the never-ending endeavor to explore the continuous link between the individual and the Infinite -- between our own heart and Infinite Love. Tantra Psychology opens the gateway to this sublimity.* On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *new7892001 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:12 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] which guru best? Hi, me know nothing and have no much money. Which guru best and can make me enlited very quick? how long takes? You know? dead ones, no good, right? thanks. Ps. any you here is enlited? how you did? very hard was or not? enlitment good for me? you think I should get? Where are you? India? If so, which part?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
And what the selfish me people don't realize is that the uninsured cost them tax dollars anyway. And probably far more than if they had coverage. off_world_beings wrote: Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry Absolutely Almost 50 million people in the USA have no health insurance ! ! ! That is more people than the whole population of Spain ! The US state of Health Care system is a National Security threat to the USA. OffWorld
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] Also in their favor is that Euro-nations have not spent the decades since World War II spending literally *half* of their Gross National Product on defense, which is a euphemism for both Better ways to kill people, and Subsidies for Defense Industries. America has. [snip] Before you open your big, fat mouth about things you know nothing about, why don't you actually do some research? Show me one year since WWII when half of the GDP was spent on defense. I have to agree with Turq on this. If you take Social Security out of the equation, then almost every year more than half was spent on military. Social Security trust fund was inserted into the equation by the Republicans in the 1960's to try to hide their exorbitant defense spending. It has no business being in there because it is a trust find and not the Government's to use, spend, or touch. OffWorld You guys are mixing up GDP with Federal Budget. They are NOT the same thing. The entire federal budget even at the exhorbitant $3.8 trillion is but 27% of the 14.3 trillion GDP in 2008 for the United States. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) And, yes, I may agree with you vis a vis the Social Security spending inclusion. Both Social Security and Medicare are essentially insurance programs. Their contributions and benefits are taken and meted out completely differently than all other spending and taxing by the federal government and, as such, should be segregated from the budget. But defense is NOT about half of the budget even when SS and Medicare are taken out. See the following and do the math: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget%2C_2008
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Really? I don't know any health insurance companies that cover lost wages. What company was it? UHC. My friend had signed up for disability insurance with UHC through his Fortune 5 company. I would describe the relationship between docs and insurers as almost adversarial, hardly in cahoots. Most of the people I know have UHC. UHC is very heavily into diagnostics. Whereas most insurance companies will pay for one of a certain test a year, UHC will pay for as many as the doctor wants to order. Want a second, third, fourth opinion at say Mayo, Hopkins, Menninger? UHC will pay. I would hardly consider it adversarial where the doctor just happened to be on call (and officed in the hospital complex) and made all the arrangements with the insurance company for pre-authorized coverage before visiting my friend with the option of having my friend surrender his drivers license to the officer outside or sign the paperwork for a week worth of wasting a bed, a bunch of nurses and 3 shifts of EEG technicians shared with one other patient (who's insurance wasn't as good so she didn't get an executive suite with a DVD player or Wii in it). The doctors and their staffs in my area have learned how to play the insurance companies. They know just the words needed to get those pre-authorizations out of the major insurance companies in my area. It appears Obama's gotten to the likes of UHC. People get calls at the hospital or home while recuperating from UHC asking if there's anything more UHC could do to help. I know of one case where the patient was having a problem adjusting to her illness. UHC offered to locate a counselor for her, as her company provided counseling as a benefit administered by UHC. I'd suspect that if you've got UHC through a Fortune 50 million company YMMV. We aren't going to get a single payer plan this time around. There aren't the votes. At best, if we have enough legislators with balls, we will have a federal option plan to go along with the private plans. Too soon to tell. I see nothing but disaster. We need Evidence Based Medicine. My friend's trip to the ER, let alone his one week work up violated EBM all 4 miles round trip of the way. Then in another part of town there are all these people who use the ER out of necessity as though it were a local nurse practicioner. My town only has a few nurse practioners and they provide anesthesia survices at the high dollar day surgery clinics in town. If we were to get EBM, nurse practicioners performing triage and giving care as needed, we'd save a bundle in the aggregate. It's estimated that every trip to the ER in any part of town here starts at $2,000. Cut out a bunch of unnecessary $2,000 visits, cut out my friend's $38,000 boondoggle and after a while you're talking some real money saved. Saved by the taxpayers, saved by the insurance companies, saved by employers and their employed. Instituting electronic medical records interchange isn't going to save any money. My friend told his story to EMS technicians, a triage nurse, a bunch of ER nurses, a bunch of different ER doctors, the neurologist and then to nurses, EEG techs, a pharmacist and some doctors when he got upstairs. It turns out that though the hospital has one of the finest records systems in the country and everyone is walking around with PDAs or PC tablets, the records are organized so poorly that staff would rather blow the time to ask the patient for a history, meds, etc. rather than consult the MRS. The one good thing I see that might save a little money is the doctor/hospital/lab proposal to insurance companies and the governments to be able to submit a single bill. Right now a single week stay in the hospital will generate a hundred or more different bills which have to be settled by the insurance company, the governments, those billing and the patient. Another good thing which might come out is if the insurance companies/governments start refusing to pay for 2nd and 3rd admissions to hospitals because the hospital didn't get the care right the first time. This is all a far cry from universal $300 per person per month insurance premiums. $300 a month per person would easily cover everyone's medical needs if EBM were truly put in practice. At $300 per person companies, individuals and governments could pay for everyone in the US out of petty cash. Makes more sense; it wasn't that health insurance paid it was the disability insurance. Often short term disability is paid by the employer and only after 90 days or
[FairfieldLife] If Maharishi was from an advanced civilization (Re: New Crop Circle)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip If Edg had done his homework, he'd know that there are aspects to some of the crop circles that can't be conveniently attributed to fooling abilities on the part of human beans. I discussed some of these- -with links--the last time we had this discussion. Edg could find those posts easily by searching for authfriend and crop circles. Then he could take a gander at the links and inform himself. Such acid in your tone, tsk. After you've called me a liar, I should be all sweet and submissive? Why should I inform myself about what I think is an impossibility? My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. If you're going to win this debate, What would winning mean in this context, Edg? You aren't going to be able to get it right, because you haven't been paying attention to what I'm saying. You're much too anxious to hear yourself talk than to listen to the person you're talking to. you gotta at least own the topic enough to educate others again and again - like I do when I promote my true knowledge about the Absolute herein. Repeat repeat repeat. But you don't, and I think it's a tell -- not that you're lazy or a bad teacher -- but that you don't have the mojo to plunk down on the table, and so you send folks into the history of the posts -- knowing what a piece of shit the Yahoo search function is. Yahoo Search works just fine for most posts before March 19. My past posts on this topic, in which I plunked down more mojo than you have the guts to deal with, are easily accessible. snip Judy, seriously, do you really mean to say that someone like The Great Randi couldn't make a joke out of the whole notion that there are non-human explanations It's The Amazing Randi, and he's perfectly capable of making a joke out of anything he doesn't care to believe in. Big whoop. At least get his moniker right. snip Frankly, I count on your intellect to post stuff here that penetrates the crop circle type of mystery enough to rule out non-human causes Been there, done that, to the extent that it *can* be done. You don't want to know about it, so you aren't going to look it up. You wouldn't even have to refer to my past posts, BTW, to inform yourself sufficiently to have a reasonable discussion. I just thought it would be easier for you to start with the sources I cited than have to plow through the Web on your own to find them. It's a big topic. Google gives you over a million hits. Most of them are crap.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
According to the chart below, only China, Germany, Japan, the Soviet Union, and Yugoslavia lost more military personnel than the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Fri, 6/5/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 4:11 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: On the face of it yes, one could claim that the U.S. has spent her wealth on the military, whilst Europe has invested in health care for her citizens. But that rather ignores the benefit Europe has had from being able to shelter behind American skirts since 1945, no? Doesn't that imply that Europe bought into the need to shelter behind American skirts? In other words, although the contribution to Euro-defense during WWII by the Americans cannot be denied, it has been often *exaggerated* by both Americans and Europeans, in the decades since, to get Europeans to buy into the need to keep fueling the American Military Industrial Complex. And there is simply no question that the Americans have used this We owe the Americans our lives mentality to rape Europe economically and in many other ways ever since. And with Europe's full cooperation. Of *all* the nations whose troops were involved in World War II, Americans contributed the fewest, and *lost* the fewest soldiers. Compare and contrast to the image they have care- fully projected to the world since. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] Also in their favor is that Euro-nations have not spent the decades since World War II spending literally *half* of their Gross National Product on defense, which is a euphemism for both Better ways to kill people, and Subsidies for Defense Industries. America has. [snip] Before you open your big, fat mouth about things you know nothing about, why don't you actually do some research? Show me one year since WWII when half of the GDP was spent on defense. For goodness sake's, even with Obama's $3.8 trillion budget this year (which includes defense as just one category of spending, which is not even the largest one) that only represents about 25% of the entire GDP. What he's most likely thinking of is the stat that U.S. defense spending amounts to more than half of *global military spending*. How does this guy spout off this stuff without knowing what he is talking about? SOP for Barry. Back in February he made this startling claim: Over half of the adult population of the U.S. is on a regular prescription for some kind of antidepressant. Of course it's nowhere *near* that high a percentage. Maybe he made the same mistake as he did with defense spending: maybe U.S. adults account for half the antidepressant prescriptions globally. As I keep saying, Barry just makes up the reality he'd *like* to have. (And of course he'll never admit to having been wrong on either of these.) What a loser.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs we're getting old #27
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [snip] Also in their favor is that Euro-nations have not spent the decades since World War II spending literally *half* of their Gross National Product on defense, which is a euphemism for both Better ways to kill people, and Subsidies for Defense Industries. America has. [snip] Before you open your big, fat mouth about things you know nothing about, why don't you actually do some research? Show me one year since WWII when half of the GDP was spent on defense. For goodness sake's, even with Obama's $3.8 trillion budget this year (which includes defense as just one category of spending, which is not even the largest one) that only represents about 25% of the entire GDP. What he's most likely thinking of is the stat that U.S. defense spending amounts to more than half of *global military spending*. How does this guy spout off this stuff without knowing what he is talking about? SOP for Barry. Back in February he made this startling claim: Over half of the adult population of the U.S. is on a regular prescription for some kind of antidepressant. Of course it's nowhere *near* that high a percentage. Maybe he made the same mistake as he did with defense spending: maybe U.S. adults account for half the antidepressant prescriptions globally. As I keep saying, Barry just makes up the reality he'd *like* to have. (And of course he'll never admit to having been wrong on either of these.) What a loser. What's sad is that he could have made his point without having to make up statistics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Rid of the For-Profit Health Insurance Industry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: And what the selfish me people don't realize is that the uninsured cost them tax dollars anyway. And probably far more than if they had coverage. Kennedy has proposed a sweeping universal coverage plan: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/health/policy/06health.html
