[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: The author believes that the Giza pyramid in Egypt was a consciousness machine. It was designed to maintain the global consciousness of human beings at a high level during the silver age or yuga. This brings one of the experts to believe that the pyramids of Egypt may have been built 36,000 years ago, which is derived by using the vedic measurement of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaMrPaisYEfeature=g-vrec Couple of points, the vedic measurement of time is bollocks as it puts the earliest humans as existing before the earth formed. Get yourself a calculator and work it out. I did. The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stevelf ysoy10li@ wrote: my comments in between below Ones you probably should have read up on or met people who practiced them. :-D You are absolutely right... and THAT I certainly have (to the best of my ability...) over my 58 years and travelling around this beautiful world over ten times by off-road mountain bike .mostly through SE Asia Or did you just stick to the straight and narrow TM path? That is so cute and I mean that in a loving way My practice for SO many years was what MMY recommended after my AEGTC (Age of Enlightenment Governor Training Course...). I am open to getting in the domes again so I will not enumerate my spiritual endeavors here and now. I would think that any honest and sincere person would at least keep to the practices taught by MMY and the TMO when practicing in the dome. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/neurophilosophy/comments/v6why/what_do_people_think_of_the_tm_concept_of/ (as always up-vote or down-vote it as you deem appropriate) What do people think of the TM concept of enlightenment? Are people even familiar with it? In a nutshell: There are seven major states of consciousness: waking, dreaming and sleeping, a foundational state sometimes called pure consciousness which underlies the three above, a state which fully integrates the first three with pure consciousness, also known as the first stage of enlightenment, which is simply a nervous system sufficiently stress-free to not disrupt what SHOULD be the default perception that pure consciousness IS the basis of the first three, two further states beyond that, which build upon the first enlightened state. The claim is that just as waking, dreaming and sleeping have physiological correlates, so do the rest in the list. comments? Good topic but perhaps wasted on those who haven't experienced it. As someone who has I can definitely say that, yes there are different states of consciousness but I draw the line at saying they are higher as I see no evidence of improved behaviour from those claimed to be in that state. I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic variation or social pressure. I knew someone with schizophrenia who went through many stages of mania, depression and even a jesus mode (as I called it then) whereby he would radiate an amazing peace and calm and be the most pleasant, involving person to talk to. Everyone in a room would sit just soak up the atmosphere he created. Therefore, that's how I see enlightenment as working, it's due to how our brains construct the picture that we call reality inside our heads i would say there are many components involved in the various stages, hearing, spacial awareness etc. and these can be jumbled up or switched off at various times - drugs, illness, meditation. Sometimes these changes can be permanent for a while, ask Robin Carlsen for details. Enlightenment, good fun but don't take it too seriously..
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
my message to Lawson below... Or did you just stick to the straight and narrow TM path? That is so cute and I mean that in a loving way My practice for SO many years was what MMY recommended after my AEGTC (Age of Enlightenment Governor Training Course...). I am open to getting in the domes again so I will not enumerate my spiritual endeavors here and now. I would think that any honest and sincere person would at least keep to the practices taught by MMY and the TMO when practicing in the dome. L. My point above is that I have observed many spiritual practices over the years and around the world-- MY personal practice has always been , and the word always includes in the domes, what I learned from my spiritual teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Lawson, you are barking up the wrong tree here=== first you insinuated I might be a troll (not a particularly nice welcome to FFL BTW and a rather farfetched possibility considering my informed post-do you have a lot of trolls in your life...? ). Now it seems you are doubting my honesty and my sincerity I apologize for how I communicated that allowed you to slip into that possible perception of me. Upon re-reading this portion of the thread, I can see how you could have arrived where you did, though...So it goes. Methinks you are off-topic, anyway. I continue to be deeply appreciative of the constructive replies in this thread that I started...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The author believes that the Giza pyramid in Egypt was a consciousness machine. It was designed to maintain the global consciousness of human beings at a high level during the silver age or yuga. This brings one of the experts to believe that the pyramids of Egypt may have been built 36,000 years ago, which is derived by using the vedic measurement of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaMrPaisYEfeature=g-vrec Couple of points, the vedic measurement of time is bollocks as it puts the earliest humans as existing before the earth formed. Get yourself a calculator and work it out. I did. The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. And you believe what someone else wrote? ;-) The Great Sphinx is a repurposing of an older statue with a Pharonic (is that a word) veneer pasted on top. While I suspect that the Great Pyramid really is a monument to the pharo who is credited with commissioning it, I always question what rulers and/or their followers say about them and their accomplishments. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: [...] I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? who knows what this stuff really means in the long run... I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic variation or social pressure. I knew someone with schizophrenia who went through many stages of mania, depression and even a jesus mode (as I called it then) whereby he would radiate an amazing peace and calm and be the most pleasant, involving person to talk to. Everyone in a room would sit just soak up the atmosphere he created. Therefore, that's how I see enlightenment as working, it's due to how our brains construct the picture that we call reality inside our heads i would say there are many components involved in the various stages, hearing, spacial awareness etc. and these can be jumbled up or switched off at various times - drugs, illness, meditation. Sometimes these changes can be permanent for a while, ask Robin Carlsen for details. Enlightenment, good fun but don't take it too seriously.. The physiological correlates of PC and CC, at least, are completely in-line with what we know about stress' effect on the nervous system. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuousUNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any person making a demand upon you simply would be computed cosmically in terms of: what is the correct and appropriate response to what this person is asking me to do, namely prove that I am enlightened by flying? And your response would NEVER be based upon satisfying the individual subjective consciousness of that person. Now it could come about that the cosmic intelligence decided: Ah, this person who is enlightened is being asked to fly in order to prove he or she is enlightened. Let's do it, then. But that would be on the terms of the cosmic intelligence and only incidentally having anything do with the individual having made this demand. Cosmic intelligence would take it out of this context and put it inside a cosmic context. That said, I believe enlightenment to be an unnatural state of consciousness, a perfect mystical hallucination. There is an experience of unboundednessperpetualand the experience of one's actions being spontaneous and creatively involuntary, guided, controlled and executed by cosmic intelligence, But the state of enlightenment is, in an ultimate sense, unrealIt is not a state of consciousness within which one is actually seeing reality as it actually is. This is NOT what is going on. One is seeing reality through a state of consciousness that does mechanically and metaphysically represent a state of consciousness other than mere waking state consciousness as known by the person before he or she became enlightened. But more than this, it is not the intelligence which created the universe which has created this state of consciousness; nor does the intelligence which created the universe have anything to do with the actions of the enlightened personI mean in the sense of being the direct and specific cause of those actions, In this sense the cosmic in cosmic consciousness is not cosmic at all. It certainly is a metaphysical power, and perhaps even is being controlled by very powerful intelligences; but those intelligences would be Maharishi's Vedic gods, or personal gods, or impulses of creative intelligence. Who have nothing to do with the creation of the universe nor the creation of Lawson, Robin, orsince she is part of this discussionJudy Stein. Even supposing there was someone who was a perfect Saintand was seen to levitate (as recorded in the lives of various Catholic Saints); in each case this levitation'flying'would never be at the behest of that person's free will; it would always be imposed upon that person 'from on high', from the intelligence of the Creator. Whatever is the nature of the intelligence which created the universe, which keeps the universe is existence, and which created you and me and keeps us in existence, that intelligence would never allow a single created being to defy the laws of gravity just at will, in order to prove the glorious truth that someone had achieved what Maharishi deemed Unity Consciousness. No one has ever been able to do something through individual will
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
Well, OK, rightyo, Lawson-- but I am not referring in this thread to how the mantra may change in pronunciation spontaneously DURING THE PRACTICE. I am obviously referring to the INITIAL mantra pronunciation I received at the time of initiation from Lillian. One certainly wants to gently begin the TM practice with the correct pronunciation and then effortlessly, innocently go from there, yes? Otherwise, one might as well, according to you, just follow Herbert Benson's advice. Is that what you do...? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stevelf ysoy10li@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Jeeze louise. This, assuming you are not a troll, fully illustrates my observation that a TM teacher can teach TM properly without ever getting it him or her self. If you can't remember, or at least consciously assimilate, what you are instructed say to meditators about this situation, then go and get checked by an active teacher and let them tell you verbally. L. Jeeze louise, right back at ya, Lawson... there is not much about me that resembles a troll, but I will look into my soul and consider it. Thank you.That troll you referred to would have to be pretty well informed to provide the info that I did in my post, dontchathink...?? A meditator would presumably never know there exists discrepencies in the same TM mantra pronunciations, or, maybe you did not get my post, which BTW surprises me because you seem one of the more astute members here IMHO. But I thank you for your response and advice . Well, the fact that you are hung up on pronunciation of the mantra (or any other aspect of an advanced technique) during meditation suggests to me that you don't get TM, no matter how many times you have taught or checked a person. Whatever is easy. Remember? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/17/2012 06:43 PM, stevelf wrote: my comments below I had confusion over my advanced technique too which MMY gave me on TTC but so did about 1/2 the plane of folks returning from TTC. Many could either not remember at all or not remember clearly. A few years later I just learned something else and have been happy ever since. BTW, I wrote MMY twice for a mantra check but never heard back. Learning something else is not that big a deal since many other paths have mantras for the public that are as strong as the advanced technique (yes it is those paths first technique). I am curious what specific other paths you are referring to. The curious thing about advanced techniques is that (according to what I have seen on some websites) the difference between the advanced techniques is pretty minimal-- just some added shri's and namah's in different #'s with the same core bija mantra in between... hold on, I think some lightning just hit my house how strange, there's not a cloud in the sky.. Ones you probably should have read up on or met people who practiced them. :-D Or did you just stick to the straight and narrow TM path? The advanced technique is just a Saraswati mantra. I even had a professor of astrology at Benares Hindu University recommend the same mantra to me after he looked at my horoscope. Some people might do better with a Shiva mantra and others with a mantra for Ram. There are lots of mantras. Short beejs like the first technique work because they are short and about anyone can give them. The longer ones, even though easily learned, require a jump start by a teacher who knows how to do that. In fact MMY started out that way. My replacement mantra was simply Shiva mantra or Om Nama Shivaya. Kinda proves that an accurate pronunciation is not very important. I think a more correct spelling would be om namaH shivaaya (prolly pronounced by most something like 'awm namash shivaaya'). The form 'shivaaya' is the dative singular, 'to/for shiva'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVi5NeY3veM (BTW, never before noticed that most Shivas have a hair colour that's kinda Russian, or Siberian, i.e. , not black...LOL!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The author believes that the Giza pyramid in Egypt was a consciousness machine. It was designed to maintain the global consciousness of human beings at a high level during the silver age or yuga. This brings one of the experts to believe that the pyramids of Egypt may have been built 36,000 years ago, which is derived by using the vedic measurement of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaMrPaisYEfeature=g-vrec Couple of points, the vedic measurement of time is bollocks as it puts the earliest humans as existing before the earth formed. Get yourself a calculator and work it out. I did. The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. And you believe what someone else wrote? ;-) The Great Sphinx is a repurposing of an older statue with a Pharonic (is that a word) veneer pasted on top. Yes, the Sphinx doesn't look right to me either. I think it might once have had a lions head which got carved to the obviously smaller pharonic one. While I suspect that the Great Pyramid really is a monument to the pharo who is credited with commissioning it, I always question what rulers and/or their followers say about them and their accomplishments. Oh, I always do. Egyptian, Indian When I was in Egypt you could get a tour of the pyramids by some new age whacko who'd tell you they were giant batteries that UFOs would hover over to recharge. Many expanatory options to choose from but the most likely is the actual text as I think it might come with an element of pride. Another question is why were ancient kings always so into building vast monuments? Think of the labour and time that pyramids would have taken, must have been exceptionally important L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Another question is why were ancient kings always so into building vast monuments? Think of the labour and time that pyramids would have taken, must have been exceptionally important Or completely unimportant, having to do with an ego desperate to leave something of itself behind to continue pretending that it exists or ever existed. In other words, a lot like building a number of Maharishi Towers Of Invincibility, eh? No practical purpose whatsoever. Does absolutely nothing for anyone except for the ego that commissions it, and then only before that ego dies. A total embarrassment on all sides, if you ask me...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The author believes that the Giza pyramid in Egypt was a consciousness machine. It was designed to maintain the global consciousness of human beings at a high level during the silver age or yuga. This brings one of the experts to believe that the pyramids of Egypt may have been built 36,000 years ago, which is derived by using the vedic measurement of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaMrPaisYEfeature=g-vrec Couple of points, the vedic measurement of time is bollocks as it puts the earliest humans as existing before the earth formed. Get yourself a calculator and work it out. I did. Duh! They lived somewhere else in this or some parallel universe, of course! :o The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/17/2012 06:43 PM, stevelf wrote: my comments below I had confusion over my advanced technique too which MMY gave me on TTC but so did about 1/2 the plane of folks returning from TTC. Many could either not remember at all or not remember clearly. A few years later I just learned something else and have been happy ever since. BTW, I wrote MMY twice for a mantra check but never heard back. Learning something else is not that big a deal since many other paths have mantras for the public that are as strong as the advanced technique (yes it is those paths first technique). I am curious what specific other paths you are referring to. The curious thing about advanced techniques is that (according to what I have seen on some websites) the difference between the advanced techniques is pretty minimal-- just some added shri's and namah's in different #'s with the same core bija mantra in between... hold on, I think some lightning just hit my house how strange, there's not a cloud in the sky.. Ones you probably should have read up on or met people who practiced them. :-D Or did you just stick to the straight and narrow TM path? The advanced technique is just a Saraswati mantra. I even had a professor of astrology at Benares Hindu University recommend the same mantra to me after he looked at my horoscope. Some people might do better with a Shiva mantra and others with a mantra for Ram. There are lots of mantras. Short beejs like the first technique work because they are short and about anyone can give them. The longer ones, even though easily learned, require a jump start by a teacher who knows how to do that. In fact MMY started out that way. My replacement mantra was simply Shiva mantra or Om Nama Shivaya. Kinda proves that an accurate pronunciation is not very important. I think a more correct spelling would be om namaH shivaaya (prolly pronounced by most something like 'awm namash shivaaya'). The form 'shivaaya' is the dative singular, 'to/for shiva'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVi5NeY3veM (BTW, never before noticed that most Shivas have a hair colour that's kinda Russian, or Siberian, i.e. , not black...LOL!) http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=russian+hair+colourview=detailid=E6709588D45494B39487E3CB70B214388B80052Efirst=151FORM=IDFRIR
[FairfieldLife] Humankind in a sugar cube, all the aakaasha removed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjHLsxwRRTU From 2:15 - Heh...
[FairfieldLife] What is the dumbest, most samskaric job ever?
It seems to me (especially skimming over the FFL posts for the last few days) that it's the job of apologist. Once one has set oneself (and one's self) up to perform that task, it's almost possible to ever quit and take another job. You're stuck with it pretty much forever. At first, the fledgling apologist acts out of a sense of loyalty or True Believerism, protecting or (in his or her mind) defending an ego (e.g., Maharishi) or a collection of egos (e.g., the TM movement) that it believes in. But after a short time doing this, the apologist's *own* ego gets involved. Every defense begins to be seen as a defense not only of the ego they've chosen to defend, but their own ego as well. To back down or resign becomes less and less possible. They're pretty much stuck with their self-assigned role forever, to protect their *own* ego as much as the ego of the teacher or the org. Sad, if you ask me. But karma, dude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: [...] I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? who knows what this stuff really means in the long run... But if you were a gambling man what would you put your money on; that there is a mystical state of consciousness that puts you in touch with the deepest level of physics and gives you mastery over the material world, infinite wisdom, total knowledge, perfect health etc etc. Or that sitting in the dark with your eyes closed for years on end can send you a bit loopy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Iran I Tea
I find this particular article by Swartz to be an accurate
representation of Shankara's central points about samyag-darshana - the
gnosis of that Self which can never be an object or a subject. About
Swartz's other essays I haven't read and cannot say.
Okay. I have read one longer interview with him in a spiritual magazine, where
he both attacks Neo-Advaitins, and traditionalists ala Dayananda. So I may be a
bit prejudiced. On it's own terms, let's say if you are just interested in
Advaita, sort of in the Ramana way, I can see that what he says is useful.
Just I thought, when he gets into sematics ('There is no Advaita'), and
regarding other traditions, (Visisht Advaita) he is a bit phony.
You speak of samyag darshana. When I look it up on google, I get mainly Jain
sites.
What his booklet does not have is representation and analysis of
Shankara's views about a renunciate lifestyle and how this facilitates
realization of Upanishadic brahmajnana. This is most apparent in
Shankara's Bhagavad Gita Bhasya which is one of the oldest Gita
commentaries still extant. His Bhasya is prior to and quite different
from all commentaries which espouse the 3 sections of 6 chapters
each schema including Maharishi's.
Yes. It is actually said, that he established the gita as a book of authority,
everybody else started to comment on it after him.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
IIRC Shankara did not use the word Advaita for his philosophy, rather
it would have been called Sankhya at the time. Please also bear in mind,
that discrimination, Viveka, was the basis of Shankaras teaching.
Discrimination between Purusha and Prakriti, Brahman and Maya, therefore
one of the works attributed to him is called Vivekachudamani or Crest
jewel of discrimination.
Shankara, like Nagarjuna, was adhering to the doctrine of two truths,
as it is already mentioned in the Upanishads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-truths_doctrine
I have read much, but not yet all of the article by James Swartz, but
I have a hard time believing he represents Shankara in any way. For me
this is more like Neo-Advaita disguised as traditional Advaita
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Here is my specific dilemna: having seen online the mantra charts This is a mistake. Never trust anything you find online regarding instructions. One never knows WHY som people post these things. They could be right or wrong. No need to expose oneselves for these uncertanties. I really have no way to have my present advanced technique mantra checked other than looking online. Yes you do. There are plenty of advanced-techniques teachers in the USA and indians regularily travel to give and check advanced techniques all over the world. I've had a couple of such checkings myself and they were always for free.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Another question is why were ancient kings always so into building vast monuments? Think of the labour and time that pyramids would have taken, must have been exceptionally important Or completely unimportant, having to do with an ego desperate to leave something of itself behind to continue pretending that it exists or ever existed. In other words, a lot like building a number of Maharishi Towers Of Invincibility, eh? Yeah, we really let our guru down there, we should have devoted our lives to dragging large blocks of sandstone to the vastu center. They don't make devotees like they used to! No practical purpose whatsoever. Does absolutely nothing for anyone except for the ego that commissions it, and then only before that ego dies. A total embarrassment on all sides, if you ask me... I think they raised a lot of money actually, so they weren't *completely* useless. Unless it was your money of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the dumbest, most samskaric job ever?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It seems to me (especially skimming over the FFL posts for the last few days) that it's the job of apologist. Once one has set oneself (and one's self) up to perform that task, it's almost possible to ever quit and take another job. You're stuck with it pretty much forever. At first, the fledgling apologist acts out of a sense of loyalty or True Believerism, protecting or (in his or her mind) defending an ego (e.g., Maharishi) or a collection of egos (e.g., the TM movement) that it believes in. But after a short time doing this, the apologist's *own* ego gets involved. Every defense begins to be seen as a defense not only of the ego they've chosen to defend, but their own ego as well. To back down or resign becomes less and less possible. They're pretty much stuck with their self-assigned role forever, to protect their *own* ego as much as the ego of the teacher or the org. Sad, if you ask me. But karma, dude. Barry, spot-on analysis. I don't say this to just agree with you one more time, or to flatter you, but because the same thought occurred to me, when observing a certain poster here. And this is another example of a spiritual perspective you are bringing in to this discussion, I don't know how people could ever miss this, or are so prejudiced towards you (and in association towards me as well probably by now) to not see it for what it is. You start out by saying, that such defense by apologists is very much motivated by ego. The point is, if you attack a certain system (TM) or my master, you attack me, basically, so the ego feels hurt and reacts, to defend itself. I am not saying, that nobody should ever defend him or Herself, or something one is involved in, but it is good to point out what is actually involved: ego. It is the same if somebody says, I follow the highest teaching, or the highest teacher, or let's say the best meditation technique, or even the only truly effective meditation technique, all this is ego without doubt. Or if somebody says, I am in the highest state of consciousness, or if somebody says I was in the highest state, but abandoned it, as I found it delusional. You still claim that you have been where hardly anyone else was, and then go on to say that it sucks, with the subtext, that only you understand it, and that you have gone 'beyond' even though beyond should mean that you are just back to 'normal'. So, I think that this, defending, but also 'feeling special, is ego, is at least something that anybody should be AWARE of, and see it for what it is. That attributing the highest state to a teacher or technique or tradition is understandable, but it is at the same time a transference of ones own ego on some object or subject one identifies with strongly. It would be ultimately the job of the guru to smash this notion, but that's another story. And, well I made the same observation, that the obsession some people here have shown, with defending TM and winning arguments, actually is being transformed into something that has hardly anything to do with TM anymore, but becomes an obsession with people who are regarded as enemies. Interestingly, in giving in to the ego for a long and extended period, it seems the ego is claiming it's place in a more direct way, and the quarrel and obsession becomes an end in itself. It could of course be argued, that your post itself, would be just an example of trying to dumb certain people, and that my reply, would be just in the same category, that also this would be ego driven. This could be said of any argument of course, but it also depends on ho much a person is obsessed with it, trying to 'win'. Besides that I think that it is worthwhile to simply point it out. This whole point belongs to my spiritual 101, and everybody should know about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: John, if you are interested in this idea and ancient Egyptian civilization and its spiritual knowledge, see if you can find the book called Initiation by Elizabeth Haich. I think she is dead now, but she wrote the book sometime in the 1960's at the request of several of her students. She was a German pianist, had a family, and since childhood had many spontaneous spiritual experiences which she did not really understand. She was guided by a Master who appeared to her in her awarenss only. As an adult, she began to recall a past life in Egypt, and her own initiation at one of the temples. A good portion of the book is about that past life of hers in Egypt. She says the pyramids and some temples were definitely used to raise the consciousness of well trained students, males and females. She, however, made a mistake and had a bad result. But her writings about life during that era are fascinating. According to Haich, it was a very very spiritual civilization in Egypt, and they had serious training for aspirants to higher states of consciousness. Among other things, she claimed that she had been trained, just as a normal part of her daily life, to communicate with lions and tigers (they roamed the grounds of her family estate). They did not attack her because of this. Anyway, it is an engrossing read (I read it in 1971, so I can only hope it is still engrossing) and an amazing story. Her descriptions of higher states of consciousness as she evolved in her life of the 1920-50's pretty much match MMY's stages. She is one of those people who as a young person spontaneously began doing yoga postures without ever having seen or read of them. She was from a wealthy German family - and I think she had to leave during Hitler's time. I know Barnes and Noble has it, but it costs $32.75. Maybe you can find it elsewhere for less, or get a used copy. Susan, Thanks for the recommendation. I'll look up the book an read it. Nonetheless, it is fascinationg to see this video clip because it ties in with the commentaries of Srila Prabhupada in the Srimad Bhagavatam about the ancient rulers of Egypt. He said that these rulers came from India who had escaped the wrath of Parasuraman, the ax-wielding incarnation of Vishnu. As you may have watched in the video, the ancient Egyptians had similar knowledge as those of ancient India. They knew astronomy and astrological concepts to regulate their time and activities. They knew the various chakras in the body. They diagnosed and healed diseases by sound. They used hallugenic drugs to induce altered states of consciousness. I'm beginning to suspect that the ancient Egyptians used the Giza pyramid to chant mantras for healing the body and for raising the consciousness on a global scale. If so, maybe some TMers should meditate and chant inside this pyramid to enhance the Maharishi Effect. :) Been there, done that. But the pyramids doesn't work that way but were constructed for ease of astral travel. Do read Haich's book, highly recommended.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Well, the fact that you are hung up on pronunciation of the mantra (or any other aspect of an advanced technique) during meditation suggests to me that you don't get TM, no matter how many times you have taught or checked a person. Whatever is easy. Remember? Exactly. Just let go and everything will be fine. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the dumbest, most samskaric job ever?
It's just too sad to participate in any more. It feels like being challenged by Monty Python's Black Knight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4 I'm invincible! You're looney. The Black Knight always triumphs! Come on then... [ armless and legless, the Black Knight finally says ] All right then, we'll call it a draw... The ego always finds a way to win. A few weeks ago, I described the vibe of the TBs here with the word desperation. I was clearly mistaken. That was merely near desperation. We're getting closer to real desperation now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It seems to me (especially skimming over the FFL posts for the last few days) that it's the job of apologist. Once one has set oneself (and one's self) up to perform that task, it's almost possible to ever quit and take another job. You're stuck with it pretty much forever. At first, the fledgling apologist acts out of a sense of loyalty or True Believerism, protecting or (in his or her mind) defending an ego (e.g., Maharishi) or a collection of egos (e.g., the TM movement) that it believes in. But after a short time doing this, the apologist's *own* ego gets involved. Every defense begins to be seen as a defense not only of the ego they've chosen to defend, but their own ego as well. To back down or resign becomes less and less possible. They're pretty much stuck with their self-assigned role forever, to protect their *own* ego as much as the ego of the teacher or the org. Sad, if you ask me. But karma, dude. Barry, spot-on analysis. I don't say this to just agree with you one more time, or to flatter you, but because the same thought occurred to me, when observing a certain poster here. And this is another example of a spiritual perspective you are bringing in to this discussion, I don't know how people could ever miss this, or are so prejudiced towards you (and in association towards me as well probably by now) to not see it for what it is. You start out by saying, that such defense by apologists is very much motivated by ego. The point is, if you attack a certain system (TM) or my master, you attack me, basically, so the ego feels hurt and reacts, to defend itself. I am not saying, that nobody should ever defend him or Herself, or something one is involved in, but it is good to point out what is actually involved: ego. It is the same if somebody says, I follow the highest teaching, or the highest teacher, or let's say the best meditation technique, or even the only truly effective meditation technique, all this is ego without doubt. Or if somebody says, I am in the highest state of consciousness, or if somebody says I was in the highest state, but abandoned it, as I found it delusional. You still claim that you have been where hardly anyone else was, and then go on to say that it sucks, with the subtext, that only you understand it, and that you have gone 'beyond' even though beyond should mean that you are just back to 'normal'. So, I think that this, defending, but also 'feeling special, is ego, is at least something that anybody should be AWARE of, and see it for what it is. That attributing the highest state to a teacher or technique or tradition is understandable, but it is at the same time a transference of ones own ego on some object or subject one identifies with strongly. It would be ultimately the job of the guru to smash this notion, but that's another story. And, well I made the same observation, that the obsession some people here have shown, with defending TM and winning arguments, actually is being transformed into something that has hardly anything to do with TM anymore, but becomes an obsession with people who are regarded as enemies. Interestingly, in giving in to the ego for a long and extended period, it seems the ego is claiming it's place in a more direct way, and the quarrel and obsession becomes an end in itself. It could of course be argued, that your post itself, would be just an example of trying to dumb certain people, and that my reply, would be just in the same category, that also this would be ego driven. This could be said of any argument of course, but it also depends on ho much a person is obsessed with it, trying to 'win'. Besides that I think that it is worthwhile to simply point it out. This whole point belongs to my spiritual 101, and everybody should know about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuous�UNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any person making a demand upon you simply would be computed cosmically in terms of: what is the correct and appropriate response to what this person is asking me to do, namely prove that I am enlightened by flying? And your response would NEVER be based upon satisfying the individual subjective consciousness of that person. Now it could come about that the cosmic intelligence decided: Ah, this person who is enlightened is being asked to fly in order to prove he or she is enlightened. Let's do it, then. But that would be on the terms of the cosmic intelligence and only incidentally having anything do with the individual having made this demand. Cosmic intelligence would take it out of this context and put it inside a cosmic context. That said, I believe enlightenment to be an unnatural state of consciousness, a perfect mystical hallucination. There is an experience of unboundedness�perpetual�and the experience of one's actions being spontaneous and creatively involuntary, guided, controlled and executed by cosmic intelligence, But the state of enlightenment is, in an ultimate sense, unreal�It is not a state of consciousness within which one is actually seeing reality as it actually is. This is NOT what is going on. One is seeing reality through a state of consciousness that does mechanically and metaphysically represent a state of consciousness other than mere waking state consciousness as known by the person before he or she became enlightened. But more than this, it is not the intelligence which created the universe which has created this state of consciousness; nor does the intelligence which created the universe have anything to do with the actions of the enlightened person�I mean in the sense of being the direct and specific cause of those actions, In this sense the cosmic in cosmic consciousness is not cosmic at all. It certainly is a metaphysical power, and perhaps even is being controlled by very powerful intelligences; but those intelligences would be Maharishi's Vedic gods, or personal gods, or impulses of creative intelligence. Who have nothing to do with the creation of the universe nor the creation of Lawson, Robin, or�since she is part of this discussion�Judy Stein. Even supposing there was someone who was a perfect
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stevelf ysoy10li@... wrote: Well, OK, rightyo, Lawson-- but I am not referring in this thread to how the mantra may change in pronunciation spontaneously DURING THE PRACTICE. I am obviously referring to the INITIAL mantra pronunciation I received at the time of initiation from Lillian. One certainly wants to gently begin the TM practice with the correct pronunciation and then effortlessly, innocently go from there, yes? Otherwise, one might as well, according to you, just follow Herbert Benson's advice. Is that what you do...? Oh really? You obsess over the pronunciation of your mantra every time you start meditating? I can't even remember how to pronounce my mantra without some moments of thought, so I'm supposed to take 5-10 minutes of exploring pronunciations until I find the one that feels right? And... how is does this obsession about your mantra jive with the just the right start that can occur when your mantra spontaneously appears during the 30 seconds with the eyes closed? Do you go: oh no! that's not right! I gotta stop thinking that 'wrong mantra' and think my REAL mantra! As I have said many times: the fact that TM teachers often don't understand TM themselves, doesn't prevent them from teaching TM, as long as they follow the instructions they were given during TTC. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. Even though MMY couldn't be bothered to demonstrate it himself. Nor has anyone else, ever. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. Are the laws of physics optional then Lawson? Maybe that would be a good question for reddit. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. May I predict from this that no-one in the TMO will ever reach unity according to MMYs definition? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuous�UNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any person making a demand upon you simply would be computed cosmically in terms of: what is the correct and appropriate response to what this person is asking me to do, namely prove that I am enlightened by flying? And your response would NEVER be based upon satisfying the individual subjective consciousness of that person. Now it could come about that the cosmic intelligence decided: Ah, this person who is enlightened is being asked to fly in order to prove he or she is enlightened. Let's do it, then. But that would be on the terms of the cosmic intelligence and only incidentally having anything do with the individual having made this demand. Cosmic intelligence would take it out of this context and put it inside a cosmic context. That said, I believe enlightenment to be an unnatural state of consciousness, a perfect mystical hallucination. There is an experience of unboundedness�perpetual�and the experience of one's actions being spontaneous and creatively involuntary, guided, controlled and executed by cosmic intelligence, But the state of enlightenment is, in an ultimate sense, unreal�It is not a state of consciousness within which one is actually seeing reality as it actually is. This is NOT what is going on. One is seeing reality through a state of consciousness that does mechanically and metaphysically represent a state of consciousness other than mere waking state consciousness as known by the person before he or she became enlightened. But more than this, it is not the intelligence which created the universe which has created this state of consciousness; nor does the intelligence which created the universe have anything to do with the actions of the enlightened person�I mean in the sense of being the direct and specific cause of those actions, In this sense the cosmic in cosmic consciousness is not cosmic at all. It
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] The Great Sphinx is a repurposing of an older statue with a Pharonic (is that a word) veneer pasted on top. Yes, the Sphinx doesn't look right to me either. I think it might once have had a lions head which got carved to the obviously smaller pharonic one. If I recall correctly, archeologists have actually been able to do imaging techniques on the interior of the Great Sphinx and have found several layers modifying its appearance under the top-most/outer (most recent) layer. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Another question is why were ancient kings always so into building vast monuments? Think of the labour and time that pyramids would have taken, must have been exceptionally important Or completely unimportant, having to do with an ego desperate to leave something of itself behind to continue pretending that it exists or ever existed. In other words, a lot like building a number of Maharishi Towers Of Invincibility, eh? No practical purpose whatsoever. Does absolutely nothing for anyone except for the ego that commissions it, and then only before that ego dies. A total embarrassment on all sides, if you ask me... Eh, MMY was quite ill towards the end. I never claimed he was a jivan mukti, and King Tony's comments about MMY being with the angels suggests that he wasn't convinced of that either. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: [...] I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? who knows what this stuff really means in the long run... But if you were a gambling man what would you put your money on; that there is a mystical state of consciousness that puts you in touch with the deepest level of physics and gives you mastery over the material world, infinite wisdom, total knowledge, perfect health etc etc. Or that sitting in the dark with your eyes closed for years on end can send you a bit loopy? A bit of both, I would think, depending on the person and their circumstances. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. Even though MMY couldn't be bothered to demonstrate it himself. Nor has anyone else, ever. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. Are the laws of physics optional then Lawson? Maybe that would be a good question for reddit. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. May I predict from this that no-one in the TMO will ever reach unity according to MMYs definition? That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his religious tradition... ... and so? Whatever benefits I may or may not get from my own TM and TM-Sidhis practice have nothing to do with MMY's purported state of perfection or lack thereof. You can certainly make the argument that if MMY wasn't perfect, than basing your decision to meditate, etc., only on his say-so is foolish, but, I have my own reasons for continuing that go beyond whatever beliefs I had acquired when I was a naive 18-year-old (now I have NEW reasons commensurate with being a naive 57-year-old!!!). L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. Even though MMY couldn't be bothered to demonstrate it himself. Nor has anyone else, ever. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. Are the laws of physics optional then Lawson? Maybe that would be a good question for reddit. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. May I predict from this that no-one in the TMO will ever reach unity according to MMYs definition? That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his religious tradition... ... and so? Whatever benefits I may or may not get from my own TM and TM- Sidhis practice have nothing to do with MMY's purported state of perfection or lack thereof. You can certainly make the argument that if MMY wasn't perfect, than basing your decision to meditate, etc., only on his say-so is foolish, but, I have my own reasons for continuing that go beyond whatever beliefs I had acquired when I was a naive 18-year-old (now I have NEW reasons commensurate with being a naive 57-year-old!!!). A naive 57-year-old who is up (if I am not mistaken) at 4:00 am his time still obsessing on this stuff and writing about it compulsively on the Internet. Take a break from this stuff, man. Relax, and let someone else fight Maharishi's and the TMO's battles for a while. You're just making yourself sick by feeling that you have to fight them, or that they need you to fight them. Continuing to obsess here? Trying to provoke arguments on Reddit so that you can obsess about it there? These are the benefits that you've gotten from all these years of TM and the TM-Sidhis? Find a life for yourself that makes you happy, man. Get back on your meds and leave this pathetic movement to defend itself. It's not worth making yourself crazy over. It never was.
[FairfieldLife] Large decrease in physician fees seen in 'high cost' people practicing Transcendental Meditation
Large decrease in physician fees seen in 'high cost' people practicing Transcendental Meditation TM NewsTranslate This Article 17 June 2012 Dr. Robert Herron concludes his analysis of how great reductions in health care expenditures can be achieved—which in the US means helping save Medicare and Medicaid [government-funded health care for the elderly] without cutting benefits or raising taxes: ''Just add a TM benefit'' to those programs, he says—offering theTranscendental Meditation(TM) technique especially to people who consistently incur high medical costs. He backs up this statement with his most recent research, published in theAmerican Journal of Health Promotion. See alsoPart Iof this series: 'The Transcendental Meditation program: The best way to cut Medicare and Medicaid costs?' — — — — — This chart shows a 28% reduction in doctors' bills over five years from baseline for consistent high-cost people who practiced the Transcendental Meditation (TM) technique. Consistent High-Cost People A small fraction of people incur the majority of health care costs. The highest spending 10% in the general population incurred 60% to 70% of total medical expenditures annually. In the Medicare population, the highest spending 5% incurred 43% of total Medicare costs, and the highest spending 25% of seniors accounted for 85% of total expenses. Many of these highest-spending people have elevated medical bills over many years. Consistent high-cost people typically have poor health with five or more chronic conditions, which are affected by excessive stress. Chronic stress weakens the immune system, which increases vulnerability to most diseases. Stress also degrades other physiological systems. This on-going damage causes, aggravates, or contributes to a wide range of physical and mental disorders. Prolonged stress also contributes to the unhealthy lifestyles that cause most chronic conditions, which account for approximately 80% of national medical expenditures. Obviously, stress reduction could help reduce high medical costs. I conducted the study that was published in theAmerican Journal of Health Promotion(2011; 26(1): 56-60). The results indicated that people with consistently high doctors' bills experienced a 28% cumulative decrease in physician fees after an average of five years of TM practice. After the first year of meditation, the TM group's physicians' bills declined 11%. In 2009, the highest-spending 5% of the population averaged $16,336 or more per person in medical expenses annually. The tuition for starting the life-long TM program is $1,500. If the TM technique were taught to these people and their health care expenses decreased by 11% in the first year, then the payback period for the TM program would be less than one year. Since numerous studies show that the medical expenses of almost all TM practitioners continue to decline for over five years, the savings to Medicare and Medicaid would persist for many years and generate a substantial return on investment. The distinctive stress-reducing and health-enhancing properties of TM practice have major policy implications. I conclude: ''When considering the above study in the context of all the published research on the benefits of TM practice for mental and physical health, it is clear that if the TM program were provided to consistent high-cost people, then it would be possible to leverage great reductions in health care expenditures and thus help save Medicare and Medicaid without cutting benefits or raising taxes. Just add a TM benefit.'' — — — — — Robert E. Herron, Ph.D., Director of the Center for Health Systems Analysis, is an independent researcher, writer, and consultant on how to reduce rising health care costs. He earned an MBA in 1985 and a Ph.D. in Management in 1993 atMaharishi University of Managementin Fairfield, Iowa. Dr.Herron has conducted research to evaluate the cost-effectiveness of various methods of disease prevention and alternative medicine. He has also conducted research that led to the development of new methods of analyzing rising health care costs and innovative means for decreasing those expenses. He has written a book on
[FairfieldLife] Pure consc...er... View blind test results!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. Even though MMY couldn't be bothered to demonstrate it himself. Nor has anyone else, ever. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. Are the laws of physics optional then Lawson? Maybe that would be a good question for reddit. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. May I predict from this that no-one in the TMO will ever reach unity according to MMYs definition? That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his religious tradition... ... and so? Whatever benefits I may or may not get from my own TM and TM- Sidhis practice have nothing to do with MMY's purported state of perfection or lack thereof. You can certainly make the argument that if MMY wasn't perfect, than basing your decision to meditate, etc., only on his say-so is foolish, but, I have my own reasons for continuing that go beyond whatever beliefs I had acquired when I was a naive 18-year-old (now I have NEW reasons commensurate with being a naive 57-year-old!!!). A naive 57-year-old who is up (if I am not mistaken) at 4:00 am his time still obsessing on this stuff and writing about it compulsively on the Internet. Take a break from this stuff, man. Relax, and let someone else fight Maharishi's and the TMO's battles for a while. You're just making yourself sick by feeling that you have to fight them, or that they need you to fight them. Continuing to obsess here? Trying to provoke arguments on Reddit so that you can obsess about it there? These are the benefits that you've gotten from all these years of TM and the TM-Sidhis? Find a life for yourself that makes you happy, man. Get back on your meds and leave this pathetic movement to defend itself. It's not worth making yourself crazy over. It never was. You have your hobbies and I have mine. Besides, I have a blast doing this stuff, and I think (with a huge dose of suspicion that I am wrong), I just solved the hard problem or at least came up with an important insight about it. Similarly, my late-night obsession with contact juggling has given rise to a new juggling technique that almost no-one in the world has appeared to attempt. I can now credibly say that I am on the way to being able to spin two balls on the BACK of my hand, rather than in the palm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuGuYPo9Tw8). L
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Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuousUNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any person making a demand upon you simply would be computed cosmically in terms of: what is the correct and appropriate response to what this person is asking me to do, namely prove that I am enlightened by flying? And your response would NEVER be based upon satisfying the individual subjective consciousness of that person. Now it could come about that the cosmic intelligence decided: Ah, this person who is enlightened is being asked to fly in order to prove he or she is enlightened. Let's do it, then. But that would be on the terms of the cosmic intelligence and only incidentally having anything do with the individual having made this demand. Cosmic intelligence would take it out of this context and put it inside a cosmic context. That said, I believe enlightenment to be an unnatural state of consciousness, a perfect mystical hallucination. There is an experience of unboundednessperpetualand the experience of one's actions being spontaneous and creatively involuntary, guided, controlled and executed by cosmic intelligence, But the state of enlightenment is, in an ultimate sense, unrealIt is not a state of consciousness within which one is actually seeing reality as it actually is. This is NOT what is going on. One is seeing reality through a state of consciousness that does mechanically and metaphysically represent a state of consciousness other than mere waking state consciousness as known by the person before he or she became enlightened. But more than this, it is not the intelligence which created the universe which has created this state of consciousness; nor does the intelligence which created the universe have anything to do with the actions of the enlightened personI mean in the sense of being the direct and specific cause of those actions, In this sense the cosmic in cosmic consciousness is not cosmic at all. It certainly is a metaphysical power, and perhaps even is being controlled by very powerful intelligences; but those intelligences would be Maharishi's Vedic gods, or personal gods, or impulses of creative intelligence. Who have nothing to do with the creation of the universe nor the creation of Lawson, Robin, orsince she is part of this discussionJudy Stein. Even supposing there was someone who was a perfect Saintand was seen to levitate (as recorded in the lives of various Catholic Saints); in each case this levitation'flying'would never be at the behest of that person's free will; it would always be imposed upon that person 'from on high', from the intelligence of the Creator. Whatever is the nature of the intelligence which created the universe, which keeps the universe is existence, and which created you and me and keeps us in existence, that intelligence would
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview Windoze phoney??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip To be honest, I've been very happy with Windows 7. Me too (although my needs are a lot less demanding than yours). I do keep a lot of apps open at the same time, but it's all web browsers, email clients, and other things that don't need much computing horsepower. I don't play computer games, edit video, or other things that are processor intensive. My computer needs are pretty simple: a fanless, completely silent tower with a video card that can drive two monitors. I will probably stick with Win 7 for a similarly long time. How long will Microsoft support it? I don't know, but even now, they're still supporting XP. We have a couple aged 13 XP laptops that we use as Internet radios in the kitchen and living room, and they will continue to be useful long after Microsoft stops supporting XP. My guess is that there will be another 8 years of Win 7 support after the release of Win 8.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview ques to Alex
Alex, what is reddit? thx, sfl From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview Windoze phoney?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip To be honest, I've been very happy with Windows 7. Me too (although my needs are a lot less demanding than yours). I do keep a lot of apps open at the same time, but it's all web browsers, email clients, and other things that don't need much computing horsepower. I don't play computer games, edit video, or other things that are processor intensive. My computer needs are pretty simple: a fanless, completely silent tower with a video card that can drive two monitors. I will probably stick with Win 7 for a similarly long time. How long will Microsoft support it? I don't know, but even now, they're still supporting XP. We have a couple aged 13 XP laptops that we use as Internet radios in the kitchen and living room, and they will continue to be useful long after Microsoft stops supporting XP. My guess is that there will be another 8 years of Win 7 support after the release of Win 8.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
Steve, as re the forgive, love, thank mantra, that was ShareLong's contribution, o'oponopono. Thank you for the kind words, regardless. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stevelf ysoy10li@... wrote: my comments in between yours below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Lilian Rosen was a character. I know of one TM teacher who went to her for an advanced technique. When she asked him what his mantra was, and he told her, she exploded, saying that was impossible, he could not have learned that yet. Well, it turned out that MMY himself had given this teacher that very mantra she yelled about. The teacher walked out.. refusing to have anything to dow ith learning anything from Lilian. I'm not sure if Lillian had learned much about humility- but what do I know.. But getting to your problem: I am not sure what to suggest, since I am not exactly sure I follow your description of the problem. I know upon re-reading it is a bit confusing sorry... :) ! But you could write to Tony Nader and ask what he suggests. It might even mean talking with one of the current advanced technique teachers (hopefully no fee would be charged). You might get an answer. If you get no response, I would say that if you think you know the exact seed mantra you are to be using and it is merely a question of pronunciation, then go with MMY's pronunciation, not Lilian's. MMY's pronunciation as you were told on TTC and also his pronunciation from when he himself initiated you or gave you your own list of mantras. I too got initiated by MMY for my 2nd technique and loved that mantra and experiences. Yes--- WOW! How sweet that was for me, too But following the dangling carrot one ( I...) always thought it could be better.. Now I can look back and laugh laugh laugh at my sweet self for going for MORE... Was it Marek who suggested the I'm sorry-- I forgive you--Thank you-- I love you process ? I love putting one hand on my heart and one facing outward and saying that over-and-over, softly TO MYSELF Thank you, if that was you, Sir Marek. wherever you are... And Thank You, Susan, for your writing in response to me... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/17/2012 01:04 PM, stevelf wrote: I am an MIU grad, executive governor, 40-year TMeditator with a personal mantra dilemna and am in need of some help. Thank you for reading the following. It's a bit convoluted and redundant, but only because I am striving for clarity... My brief mantra history: I was initiated (for $45.) in 1972 at Goddard College in Plainfield, Vermont. A year Iater I was on TTC in Engelberg, Suisse. Then on my 6-month course in 1976 I received my 1st advanced technique from Maharishi. Two years later I received my 2nd a.t. from Lillian (quickest-puja-in-the-world) Rosen at MIU. When I received all the TM teaching mantras from Maharishi at the end of TTC from Maharishi directly, I was surprired to see that my 1st mantra I received from my initiator was different from any M. gave me. When M. gave me my first a.t. in '76, all was remedied because what he gave me I found delightful, smooth-sailing, easy. comfortable, a good fit, etc., and the core bija sound of the mantra matched what he (Maharishi) had imparted in the group of mantras he (Maharishi) had imparted to me at the end of TTC. But then when Lillian gave me my 2nd technique, again the pronunciation of her bestowed to me seed mantra was different from the group of teaching seed mantras Maharishi gave me to teach with. I know that different teachers, male and female, were given slightly different mantras, also depending on what year they were made initiators. Here is my specific dilemna: having seen online the mantra charts for advanced techniques on several websites over the years, I see the correct spelling of my seed 2nd tecnique mantra that Lillian gave me... but her pronunciation of it is quite different (as I said above) from the group of mantras Maharishi gave me to impart when teaching. Advanced technique mantras are longer, of course, but it's the seed part I am referring to. My subjective feeling is I never liked what Lillian gave me (as an aside, nor her demeanor). The pronunciation somehow seems wrong or contrived, not sleek and smooth. I really have no way to have my present advanced technique mantra checked other than looking online. I could, and have a bit, experiment with the pronunciation to match what I received from Maharishi, but there-in lies my dilemna... I could, but am hesitant to, make up my own mantra. to reiterate: this (
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: ...I have my own reasons for continuing that go beyond whatever beliefs I had acquired when I was a naive 18-year-old (now I have NEW reasons commensurate with being a naive 57-year-old!!!). A naive 57-year-old who is up (if I am not mistaken) at 4:00 am his time still obsessing on this stuff and writing about it compulsively on the Internet. Take a break from this stuff, man. Relax, and let someone else fight Maharishi's and the TMO's battles for a while. You're just making yourself sick by feeling that you have to fight them, or that they need you to fight them. Continuing to obsess here? Trying to provoke arguments on Reddit so that you can obsess about it there? These are the benefits that you've gotten from all these years of TM and the TM-Sidhis? Find a life for yourself that makes you happy, man. Get back on your meds and leave this pathetic movement to defend itself. It's not worth making yourself crazy over. It never was. You have your hobbies and I have mine. Besides, I have a blast doing this stuff, and I think (with a huge dose of suspicion that I am wrong), I just solved the hard problem or at least came up with an important insight about it. Similarly, my late-night obsession with contact juggling has given rise to a new juggling technique that almost no-one in the world has appeared to attempt. I can now credibly say that I am on the way to being able to spin two balls on the BACK of my hand, rather than in the palm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuGuYPo9Tw8). Congratulations. I guess. You'll have to forgive me if it sounds almost as practical and useful to the world as becoming enlightened, TM-style. I wish you the best, and I hope you find happiness and balance in your life, Lawson. But I think that being an enabler in your ongoing obsessions is not helping that to happen, so I'll bow out now. Good luck. Really.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. I didn't read any of this, and won't. It's too sad to participate in, even vicariously. I'm commenting because the something wrong that you perceive probably has to do with the word your with regard to enlightenment. As long as there is someone who feels it is my state of consciousness, or my past, or even my present, and that someone feels the need to defend any of these things, there is an ego involved. The larger the defense, the larger the ego. As I've said recently, IMO to interact with that ego is to facilitate its attempts to hold onto itself (its self), and thus is not a favor. Then. Now. No difference, as far as I can tell... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksa4VjKE3RY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuousUNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any person making a demand upon you simply would be computed cosmically in terms of: what is the correct and appropriate response to what this person is asking me to do, namely prove that I am enlightened by flying? And your response would NEVER be based upon satisfying the individual subjective consciousness of that person. Now it could come about that the cosmic intelligence decided: Ah, this person who is enlightened is being asked to fly in order to prove he or she is enlightened. Let's do it, then. But that would be on the terms of the cosmic intelligence and only incidentally having anything do with the individual having made this demand. Cosmic intelligence would take it out of this context and put it inside a cosmic context. That said, I believe enlightenment to be an unnatural state of consciousness, a perfect mystical hallucination. There is an experience of unboundednessperpetualand the experience of one's actions being spontaneous and creatively involuntary, guided, controlled and executed by cosmic intelligence, But the state of enlightenment is, in an ultimate sense, unrealIt is not a state of consciousness within which one is actually seeing reality as it actually is. This is NOT what is going on. One is seeing reality through a state of consciousness that does mechanically and metaphysically represent a state of consciousness other than mere waking state consciousness as known by the person before he or she became enlightened. But more than this, it is not the intelligence which created the universe which has created this state of consciousness; nor does the intelligence which created the universe have anything to do with the actions of the enlightened personI mean in the sense of being the direct and specific cause of those actions, In this sense the cosmic in cosmic consciousness is not cosmic at all. It certainly is a metaphysical power, and perhaps even is being controlled by very
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
Ok, I don't even know what reddit means (I've asked Alex) but will wade in here anyway. This is my 3rd spiritual forum and I've read lots of spiritual blogs, websites, etc. during the last 2 1/2 years. A few books like Adya's and Perfect Brilliant Stillness, etc. Plus doing TMSP since 1977. MA in SCI. What I've noticed, she said inching out onto the limb, is that men seem way more interested in the whole question of Am I Enlightened Yet than women do. Hmmm, maybe I'll leave it at that (-: From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 1:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/neurophilosophy/comments/v6why/what_do_people_think_of_the_tm_concept_of/ (as always up-vote or down-vote it as you deem appropriate) What do people think of the TM concept of enlightenment? Are people even familiar with it? In a nutshell: There are seven major states of consciousness: waking, dreaming and sleeping, a foundational state sometimes called pure consciousness which underlies the three above, a state which fully integrates the first three with pure consciousness, also known as the first stage of enlightenment, which is simply a nervous system sufficiently stress-free to not disrupt what SHOULD be the default perception that pure consciousness IS the basis of the first three, two further states beyond that, which build upon the first enlightened state. The claim is that just as waking, dreaming and sleeping have physiological correlates, so do the rest in the list. comments? Good topic but perhaps wasted on those who haven't experienced it. As someone who has I can definitely say that, yes there are different states of consciousness but I draw the line at saying they are higher as I see no evidence of improved behaviour from those claimed to be in that state. I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic variation or social pressure. I knew someone with schizophrenia who went through many stages of mania, depression and even a jesus mode (as I called it then) whereby he would radiate an amazing peace and calm and be the most pleasant, involving person to talk to. Everyone in a room would sit just soak up the atmosphere he created. Therefore, that's how I see enlightenment as working, it's due to how our brains construct the picture that we call reality inside our heads i would say there are many components involved in the various stages, hearing, spacial awareness etc. and these can be jumbled up or switched off at various times - drugs, illness, meditation. Sometimes these changes can be permanent for a while, ask Robin Carlsen for details. Enlightenment, good fun but don't take it too seriously..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. Those texts could have been carved by truth-destroying rakshashas to make you think the pyramids are merely tombs for local kings.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
Hi Steve, Ho'oponopono, from the Hawaiian Kahuna tradition. Can google very cool story of Dr. Hew Len's work in ward for criminally insane. I'm sorry Please forgive me Thank you I love you Share From: marekreavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested... Steve, as re the forgive, love, thank mantra, that was ShareLong's contribution, o'oponopono. Thank you for the kind words, regardless. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stevelf ysoy10li@... wrote: my comments in between yours below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Lilian Rosen was a character. I know of one TM teacher who went to her for an advanced technique. When she asked him what his mantra was, and he told her, she exploded, saying that was impossible, he could not have learned that yet. Well, it turned out that MMY himself had given this teacher that very mantra she yelled about. The teacher walked out.. refusing to have anything to dow ith learning anything from Lilian. I'm not sure if Lillian had learned much about humility- but what do I know.. But getting to your problem: I am not sure what to suggest, since I am not exactly sure I follow your description of the problem. I know upon re-reading it is a bit confusing sorry... :) ! But you could write to Tony Nader and ask what he suggests. It might even mean talking with one of the current advanced technique teachers (hopefully no fee would be charged). You might get an answer. If you get no response, I would say that if you think you know the exact seed mantra you are to be using and it is merely a question of pronunciation, then go with MMY's pronunciation, not Lilian's. MMY's pronunciation as you were told on TTC and also his pronunciation from when he himself initiated you or gave you your own list of mantras. I too got initiated by MMY for my 2nd technique and loved that mantra and experiences. Yes--- WOW! How sweet that was for me, too But following the dangling carrot one ( I...) always thought it could be better.. Now I can look back and laugh laugh laugh at my sweet self for going for MORE... Was it Marek who suggested the I'm sorry-- I forgive you--Thank you-- I love you process ? I love putting one hand on my heart and one facing outward and saying that over-and-over, softly TO MYSELF Thank you, if that was you, Sir Marek. wherever you are... And Thank You, Susan, for your writing in response to me... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/17/2012 01:04 PM, stevelf wrote: I am an MIU grad, executive governor, 40-year TMeditator with a personal mantra dilemna and am in need of some help. Thank you for reading the following. It's a bit convoluted and redundant, but only because I am striving for clarity... My brief mantra history: I was initiated (for $45.) in 1972 at Goddard College in Plainfield, Vermont. A year Iater I was on TTC in Engelberg, Suisse. Then on my 6-month course in 1976 I received my 1st advanced technique from Maharishi. Two years later I received my 2nd a.t. from Lillian (quickest-puja-in-the-world) Rosen at MIU. When I received all the TM teaching mantras from Maharishi at the end of TTC from Maharishi directly, I was surprired to see that my 1st mantra I received from my initiator was different from any M. gave me. When M. gave me my first a.t. in '76, all was remedied because what he gave me I found delightful, smooth-sailing, easy. comfortable, a good fit, etc., and the core bija sound of the mantra matched what he (Maharishi) had imparted in the group of mantras he (Maharishi) had imparted to me at the end of TTC. But then when Lillian gave me my 2nd technique, again the pronunciation of her bestowed to me seed mantra was different from the group of teaching seed mantras Maharishi gave me to teach with. I know that different teachers, male and female, were given slightly different mantras, also depending on what year they were made initiators. Here is my specific dilemna: having seen online the mantra charts for advanced techniques on several websites over the years, I see the correct spelling of my seed 2nd tecnique mantra that Lillian gave me... but her pronunciation of it is quite different (as I said above) from the group of mantras Maharishi gave me to impart when teaching. Advanced technique mantras are longer, of course, but it's the seed part I am referring to. My subjective feeling is I never liked what Lillian gave me (as an aside, nor her
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview ques to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Alex, what is reddit? thx, sfl http://www.reddit.com/ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reddit
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. I didn't read any of this, and won't. It's too sad to participate in, even vicariously. I'm commenting because the something wrong that you perceive probably has to do with the word your with regard to enlightenment. As long as there is someone who feels it is my state of consciousness, or my past, or even my present, and that someone feels the need to defend any of these things, there is an ego involved. The larger the defense, the larger the ego. As I've said recently, IMO to interact with that ego is to facilitate its attempts to hold onto itself (its self), and thus is not a favor. Yep. I am already given to the power that rules my fate. And I cling to nothing, so I will have nothing to defend. I have no thoughts, so I will see. I fear nothing, so I will remember myself. Detached and at ease, I will dart past the Eagle to be free. Then. Now. No difference, as far as I can tell... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksa4VjKE3RY Great song! so true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKiMbC6s2k
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, I don't even know what reddit means (I've asked Alex) but will wade in here anyway. This is my 3rd spiritual forum and I've read lots of spiritual blogs, websites, etc. during the last 2 1/2 years. A few books like Adya's and Perfect Brilliant Stillness, etc. Plus doing TMSP since 1977. MA in SCI. What I've noticed, she said inching out onto the limb, is that men seem way more interested in the whole question of Am I Enlightened Yet than women do.  Hmmm, maybe I'll leave it at that (-: No, don't leave it at that! My own experience is that women are more likely to just incorporate something like TM into their lives and get on with work/family etc. Whereas men seem more likely to take it all way too seriously and devote themselves to gaining the highest goal and join purusha etc. I did anyway! If there is any truth in male/female differences like men are better at abstract thought then we will try and analyse where we are. Can't help it. But I got over it and it's all back in perspective. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 1:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/neurophilosophy/comments/v6why/what_do_people_think_of_the_tm_concept_of/ (as always up-vote or down-vote it as you deem appropriate) What do people think of the TM concept of enlightenment? Are people even familiar with it? In a nutshell: There are seven major states of consciousness: waking, dreaming and sleeping, a foundational state sometimes called pure consciousness which underlies the three above, a state which fully integrates the first three with pure consciousness, also known as the first stage of enlightenment, which is simply a nervous system sufficiently stress-free to not disrupt what SHOULD be the default perception that pure consciousness IS the basis of the first three, two further states beyond that, which build upon the first enlightened state. The claim is that just as waking, dreaming and sleeping have physiological correlates, so do the rest in the list. comments? Good topic but perhaps wasted on those who haven't experienced it. As someone who has I can definitely say that, yes there are different states of consciousness but I draw the line at saying they are higher as I see no evidence of improved behaviour from those claimed to be in that state. I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic variation or social pressure. I knew someone with schizophrenia who went through many stages of mania, depression and even a jesus mode (as I called it then) whereby he would radiate an amazing peace and calm and be the most pleasant, involving person to talk to. Everyone in a room would sit just soak up the atmosphere he created. Therefore, that's how I see enlightenment as working, it's due to how our brains construct the picture that we call reality inside our heads i would say there are many components involved in the various stages, hearing, spacial awareness etc. and these can be jumbled up or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
Excellent reply, Salyavin808. For what it's worth, I agree with you. People some time in the past (and continuing into the present) discovered that there are ways to manipulate conscious experience and some of the resultant, changed states can be beneficial and helpful in navigating the challenges and demands of life, as well as being rewarding just on the feel good and insightful axes. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/neurophilosophy/comments/v6why/what_do_people_think_of_the_tm_concept_of/ (as always up-vote or down-vote it as you deem appropriate) What do people think of the TM concept of enlightenment? Are people even familiar with it? In a nutshell: There are seven major states of consciousness: waking, dreaming and sleeping, a foundational state sometimes called pure consciousness which underlies the three above, a state which fully integrates the first three with pure consciousness, also known as the first stage of enlightenment, which is simply a nervous system sufficiently stress-free to not disrupt what SHOULD be the default perception that pure consciousness IS the basis of the first three, two further states beyond that, which build upon the first enlightened state. The claim is that just as waking, dreaming and sleeping have physiological correlates, so do the rest in the list. comments? Good topic but perhaps wasted on those who haven't experienced it. As someone who has I can definitely say that, yes there are different states of consciousness but I draw the line at saying they are higher as I see no evidence of improved behaviour from those claimed to be in that state. I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic variation or social pressure. I knew someone with schizophrenia who went through many stages of mania, depression and even a jesus mode (as I called it then) whereby he would radiate an amazing peace and calm and be the most pleasant, involving person to talk to. Everyone in a room would sit just soak up the atmosphere he created. Therefore, that's how I see enlightenment as working, it's due to how our brains construct the picture that we call reality inside our heads i would say there are many components involved in the various stages, hearing, spacial awareness etc. and these can be jumbled up or switched off at various times - drugs, illness, meditation. Sometimes these changes can be permanent for a while, ask Robin Carlsen for details. Enlightenment, good fun but don't take it too seriously..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, I don't even know what reddit means (I've asked Alex) but will wade in here anyway. This is my 3rd spiritual forum and I've read lots of spiritual blogs, websites, etc. during the last 2 1/2 years. A few books like Adya's and Perfect Brilliant Stillness, etc. Plus doing TMSP since 1977. MA in SCI. What I've noticed, she said inching out onto the limb, is that men seem way more interested in the whole question of Am I Enlightened Yet than women do. Hmmm, maybe I'll leave it at that (-: No, don't leave it at that! My own experience is that women are more likely to just incorporate something like TM into their lives and get on with work/family etc. Whereas men seem more likely to take it all way too seriously and devote themselves to gaining the highest goal and join purusha etc. I did anyway! If there is any truth in male/female differences like men are better at abstract thought then we will try and analyse where we are. Can't help it. But I got over it and it's all back in perspective. Speaking of inching out onto the limb :-), it has been observed that men *can* get over things. Women tend to hang onto them for decades, and possibly lifetimes. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
According to the current Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, a lineal descendent of HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, all mantras are kept pure only by passing between the mouth of the teacher and the ears of his or her student. Therefore all mantras that pass between more than these four ears violate the purity of the holy tradition and are considered spoiled. So all mantras given by a TM teacher are spoilt. Furthermore the Shankaracharya has noted that Mahesh often gave mantras with the incorrect pronunciation. He therefore states that TM mantras will never bestow spiritual benefits. Such is the wisdom of the Holy Tradition. Many TMers approach saints like Amma for their full mantra. Perhaps you should consider approaching a legitimate saint such as Amma or another to remove this stain on your karma? Why devolve when evolution is so much more compelling? Mahesh was his secretary and he was not Gurudev’s desciple in any way but was a part of the administrative staff. We dont sell our knowledge, we share it. There will be no spiritual benefit from the TM mantras. - HH Swami Swarupananda, Jagadguru of Jyotir Math Vaj Restoring the purity of the tradition since 1974.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the dumbest, most samskaric job ever?
I might point out that you guys are going to have to try to play both ends against the middle if you want your profound spiritual perspective here about how apologists are ego-driven to apply to me. (That's why you're not mentioning names, BTW, so you can avoid having to deal with this.) I'm an apologist for certain aspects of TM/the TMO/ MMY, no question about it. However, I'm *also* an apologist for a person who has rejected TM/the TMO/MMY more radically than anyone else who's ever posted to FFL (i.e., Robin). Now, you could claim that my apologism is ego-driven in that it has nothing to do with TM either way but rather with winning over my enemies. OK, but then you have to account for the fact that I'm arguing with Lawson, for whom I've always been somewhat of an apologist with regard to his defense of TM. It depends on the specific apologist, of course, but I'd suggest that you need to acknowledge that it's possible for a person to engage in apologias for what they believe is right, independently of any fixed personal agenda (in this case, pro or con TM). IOW, their apologism is on behalf of what they perceive to be fair, accurate, logical, and honest, even if that means the points of view they're defending are sometimes in conflict. I'd be the last to claim I'm egoless. Just want to point out that the apologist role is not always as cut-and-dried as it's being portrayed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It seems to me (especially skimming over the FFL posts for the last few days) that it's the job of apologist. Once one has set oneself (and one's self) up to perform that task, it's almost possible to ever quit and take another job. You're stuck with it pretty much forever. At first, the fledgling apologist acts out of a sense of loyalty or True Believerism, protecting or (in his or her mind) defending an ego (e.g., Maharishi) or a collection of egos (e.g., the TM movement) that it believes in. But after a short time doing this, the apologist's *own* ego gets involved. Every defense begins to be seen as a defense not only of the ego they've chosen to defend, but their own ego as well. To back down or resign becomes less and less possible. They're pretty much stuck with their self-assigned role forever, to protect their *own* ego as much as the ego of the teacher or the org. Sad, if you ask me. But karma, dude. Barry, spot-on analysis. I don't say this to just agree with you one more time, or to flatter you, Or be an apologist for you. snicker but because the same thought occurred to me, when observing a certain poster here. And this is another example of a spiritual perspective you are bringing in to this discussion, I don't know how people could ever miss this, or are so prejudiced towards you (and in association towards me as well probably by now) to not see it for what it is. You start out by saying, that such defense by apologists is very much motivated by ego. The point is, if you attack a certain system (TM) or my master, you attack me, basically, so the ego feels hurt and reacts, to defend itself. I am not saying, that nobody should ever defend him or Herself, or something one is involved in, but it is good to point out what is actually involved: ego. It is the same if somebody says, I follow the highest teaching, or the highest teacher, or let's say the best meditation technique, or even the only truly effective meditation technique, all this is ego without doubt. Or if somebody says, I am in the highest state of consciousness, or if somebody says I was in the highest state, but abandoned it, as I found it delusional. You still claim that you have been where hardly anyone else was, and then go on to say that it sucks, with the subtext, that only you understand it, and that you have gone 'beyond' even though beyond should mean that you are just back to 'normal'. So, I think that this, defending, but also 'feeling special, is ego, is at least something that anybody should be AWARE of, and see it for what it is. That attributing the highest state to a teacher or technique or tradition is understandable, but it is at the same time a transference of ones own ego on some object or subject one identifies with strongly. It would be ultimately the job of the guru to smash this notion, but that's another story. And, well I made the same observation, that the obsession some people here have shown, with defending TM and winning arguments, actually is being transformed into something that has hardly anything to do with TM anymore, but becomes an obsession with people who are regarded as enemies. Interestingly, in giving in to the ego for a long and extended period, it seems the ego is claiming it's place in a more direct way, and the quarrel and obsession
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview Windoze phoney??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/16/2012 03:00 PM, cardemaister wrote: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=384977931549858set=a.109142489133405.4548.100686616645659type=1 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/17/it-is-succeed-or-die-for-nokia-observers-say/ They fell asleep at the wheel and rested on their laurels. Not good enough in today cut-throat tech world. Dude, haven't you heard? By 2016, Windows Phone will top iOS in market share! http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/06/06/windows-phone-to-top-ios-market-share-by-2016-idc-says/ http://tinyurl.com/725wak2 The world will be clamoring to get their hands on a Windows Phone, and they'll also be enthusiastically upgrading to Windows 8 so that their PCs will look just like their phones. Nokia/MSFT über alles, baby! Nokia Corp. was born, as a groundwood pulp mill, in my home town (Tampere, Grand Duchy of Finland, belonging to Russia) May 12th 1865. So, there's a possibility it'll be defunct within a couple of months or even weeks, because of its 5th Saturn Return... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Welcome back Robin. I did not say anything earlier, not sure you were going to stay a while. And I do not seem to have much time lately to wade through voluminous text. I think your analysis below has some weight to it. As Susan hinted at earlier, I think the state you were experiencing was a mystical state of union, not enlightenment; you cannot back out of enlightenment; you can back out of glimpses or more sustained experiences of its precursors. Enlightenment is a realisation, it is not a sustained experience of one type; it is an understanding, though not an intellectual one, and it shows one that all ideas one had about it were nonsense. It is utterly not metaphysical. The Zen master Dogen said, 'Do not think you will necessarily be aware of your own enlightenment'. The ego resists to the end its destruction, or rather its inactivation; it can hang around, like a broken watch. Yours is still ticking. This is not wrong or bad. Giving up control not bad either; but the 'correct' understanding is that it makes no difference whatever whether you are in control or not. I tend to dislike religious terminology, that metaphysical murk, but I found this passage which might interest you by C.S. Lewis, that atheist, then Christian, then an off-again and on-again Christian: 'God will invade. But I wonder whether people who ask God to interfere openly and directly our world quite realise what it will be like when He does. When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks onto the stage the play is over. God is going to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying your are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else --- something it never entered your head to conceive --- comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left?' The embrace of God is terrible and crushing to the ego; I believe you are simply substituting another version of the ego's grasp for immortality, its attempt to subvert infinity for its limited ends. The ego wants God as an ally, to pump itself up; God only 'wants' to be God, because God is God - I am that I am, and, all This is That. Eventually a watch will stop. Eventually time will run out for you, and then there will be no choice, in that peculiar sense that it does not matter, but it is not a bad thing. Like Barry, you seem to have an interest in maintaining free will, that strange concept that we are agents of our own destiny. We are, but not in the sense we tend to think. In this you and Barry seem to be alike even if all else about you is not. I imagine the two of you being on the same boat, though one is perhaps starboard, and the other is on the port side. The boat I am imagining is the Titanic; nothing like a dip in the cool ocean to wake one up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuousUNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. Except that according to Robin, there was no such transition. He was in waking state, and then all of a sudden he was in Unity. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. If the state of consciousness that Robin achieved was Unity as MMY described it, and if Robin achieved this state of consciousness instantaneously from waking state, as he claims, then he would never have been in a position to reliably demonstrate flying on someone else's demand, i.e., by the exercise of his own intention in response to that demand. If he had ever flown, in either state, it would have been because this universal intelligence decided he should, entirely independently of his own individual intention. And this would have been the case during program as well. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuous�UNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I am saying, Lawson? That if you were enlightened you would have the distinct and unchallengeable experience that all of your actions were out of your control, and therefore any person making a demand upon you simply would be computed cosmically in terms of: what is the correct and appropriate response to what this person is asking me to do, namely prove that I am enlightened by flying? And your response would NEVER be based upon satisfying the individual subjective consciousness of that person. Now it could come about that the cosmic intelligence decided: Ah, this person who is enlightened is being asked to fly in order to prove he or she is enlightened. Let's do it, then. But that would be on the terms of the cosmic intelligence and only incidentally having anything do with the individual having made this demand. Cosmic intelligence would take it out of this context and put it inside a cosmic context. That said, I believe enlightenment to be an unnatural state of consciousness, a perfect mystical hallucination. There is an experience of unboundedness�perpetual�and the experience of one's actions being spontaneous and creatively involuntary, guided, controlled and executed by cosmic intelligence, But the state of enlightenment is, in an ultimate sense, unreal�It is not a state of consciousness within which one is actually seeing reality as it actually is. This is NOT what is going on. One is seeing reality through a state of consciousness that does mechanically and metaphysically represent a state of consciousness other than mere waking state consciousness as known by the person before he or she became
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Xeno, can you fly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Welcome back Robin. I did not say anything earlier, not sure you were going to stay a while. And I do not seem to have much time lately to wade through voluminous text. I think your analysis below has some weight to it. As Susan hinted at earlier, I think the state you were experiencing was a mystical state of union, not enlightenment; you cannot back out of enlightenment; you can back out of glimpses or more sustained experiences of its precursors. Enlightenment is a realisation, it is not a sustained experience of one type; it is an understanding, though not an intellectual one, and it shows one that all ideas one had about it were nonsense. It is utterly not metaphysical. The Zen master Dogen said, 'Do not think you will necessarily be aware of your own enlightenment'. The ego resists to the end its destruction, or rather its inactivation; it can hang around, like a broken watch. Yours is still ticking. This is not wrong or bad. Giving up control not bad either; but the 'correct' understanding is that it makes no difference whatever whether you are in control or not. I tend to dislike religious terminology, that metaphysical murk, but I found this passage which might interest you by C.S. Lewis, that atheist, then Christian, then an off-again and on-again Christian: 'God will invade. But I wonder whether people who ask God to interfere openly and directly our world quite realise what it will be like when He does. When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks onto the stage the play is over. God is going to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying your are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else --- something it never entered your head to conceive --- comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left?' The embrace of God is terrible and crushing to the ego; I believe you are simply substituting another version of the ego's grasp for immortality, its attempt to subvert infinity for its limited ends. The ego wants God as an ally, to pump itself up; God only 'wants' to be God, because God is God - I am that I am, and, all This is That. Eventually a watch will stop. Eventually time will run out for you, and then there will be no choice, in that peculiar sense that it does not matter, but it is not a bad thing. Like Barry, you seem to have an interest in maintaining free will, that strange concept that we are agents of our own destiny. We are, but not in the sense we tend to think. In this you and Barry seem to be alike even if all else about you is not. I imagine the two of you being on the same boat, though one is perhaps starboard, and the other is on the port side. The boat I am imagining is the Titanic; nothing like a dip in the cool ocean to wake one up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuousUNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your actions are determined by cosmic intelligence, but now I am going to be the author of your actions: Obey me, not cosmic intelligence. Maharishi himself was the classic exemplar of all this: never once attempting to prove or demonstrate he was enlightened. And this was because he was not subject to the demands or desires or judgments of anyone else. Not even to himself: he remained cosmic to the very end I believe. Do you understand what I
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Dear Lawson, I was NOT practising the TM-Sidhis during [my] transition to Unity. Maharishi introduced us (on my Sixth Month Course) to the sidhis *after* I 'slipped into Unity', and even then they were not formalized; there was no hopping; they were given out just like mantras, and we did them in groups. I think we may have even pronounced them aloud. [Phil Goldberg will remember; he was in my group, and I remember his comment when we first did them together: He felt the experience was similar to getting high on something else.] I believe it was only the Six Month Course after mine when Maharishi designed the sidhis so that they became systematically part of what came to be called the TM-Sidhi program, and they were done as part of one's individual program. Which would mean that anyone on my Six Month Course would have to be instructed into these techniques. I never was. Except unlawfully. But had I been practising the TM-Sidhis before I became enlightened, I think you make a very good point: For had Maharishi *at that time* declared that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float I think I would have been in a dilemma. Not that this could affect the actual *mechanical style of functioning* which is Unity: Charlie Donahue once wrote an essay (this is approximately the title): Criteria of Cosmic Consciousness, where he listed about 25 experiential and behavioural characteristics of CC [taken from Maharishi's speeches and writing]. In that essay he conclusively demonstrates that Enlightenment is as different from waking state as waking state is different from sleep. The nervous system is operating in an objectively different way in the case of the transition from waking state to sleep state, and from waking state to Unity Consciousness. But logically, and taking Maharishi at his word here, it would seem conceptually that had Maharishi decidedwhich he had never done for the first quarter of a century of bringing his Teaching to the worldthat enlightenment can be tested by the ability to floatand against all the other Eastern sages and teachers who had ever lived before him that unless you could do this you were not enlightenedthen this would have presented meat least in terms of that part of me which was a witness to my enlightenmenta stress. And I think your argument a good one if everyone ahead of time on all those long-rounding courses that Maharishi offered knew: No matter what the Buddha said, no matter what any other tradition said, *the only valid proof of full enlightenment* would be a criterion that Maharishi would not stipulate until many years later and then only inside a specific context, namely: IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity. Now as I write that I realize that perhaps you are saying that anyone who reached Unity Consciousness before this test was available still would be considered to have reached this state of consciousness? I am just looking at the logical implication of what have said, Lawson. In any event, from where you understand Maharishi, it seems conceptually you are right; and therefore I am going to say that if Maharishi was actually correct in making this the acid test of Unity Consciousness, then, according to that definition I could not have been in Unity. What impresses me about your line of argument, Lawson, is the perfect obedience and adherence of yourself to Maharishi's Teachings. You obtain your sense of freedom and integrity from your beautiful enslavement to the Master. I am sure this had everything to do with Maharishi becoming enlightened under his Master, Guru Dev. And it would seem in a profound way (even though I must assume you are not a teacher of TM, therefore not really subject to the level and extent of disillusionment of some of the rest of us) you are remaining true to Maharishi and uninfluenced by any stories that have come out which would tend to challenge the truth that Maharishi was a perfect Teacher and was therefore the embodiment of Truth. I am going to insist that I was helplessly and *seemingly* irreversibly put into another state of consciousness; but I am not going to quarrel with your understanding of what Maharishi has said, and therefore your judgment of the validity of my claim to be enlightened. Because the context within which you are making this argument is that context which isas I understood Maharishi in relationship to Guru Devhow Maharishi himself became englightened: that is, perfect docility and surrender and obedience to the Master. I doubt Bevan or Tony or JHagelin or anyone has a more faithful and innocent and meritorious orientation to Maharishi and the TM-Sidhis than you do. That is, in the assumption that Maharishi was speaking on behalf of the highest truth that exists inside the universe for a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview Windoze phoney??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I have a Windows 7 64-bit machine and a Vista laptop. After using Linux (Ubuntu) for several years as my main machine I can't stand how clunky and stupid Windows is. I don't have the patience for the Linux learning curve, and its lack of support for mainstream hardware renders it completely useless crippleware for my needs. E.g., I have a Slingbox, and it is not supported under Linux. Recently, I bought a new printer for the first time since 1998, a LaserJet Pro 400 Color, and it occurred to me that I could use it with my old Canon flatbed scanner to replace our ancient Canon personal copier, which had ceased making decent quality copies. I hadn't used the scanner in ages, but the Canon website had both the Win 7 driver and software for it, and the old Dell D610 laptop that runs the Post Count script is now the brains of our color laser copier. It works perfectly: push the copy button on the front of the scanner, and the network printer spits out the copy. I just looked, and Canon has no Linux support at all for my scanner. In the meantime what can we do to coordinate a chat room time? I see people drop by when no one else is around. It would be a hoot to have a full fledge FFL chat! Ugh... I hate real-time chat. You're on your own with that one.
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I am not a siddha. What does this have to do with enlightenment? Who in the TMO, including MMY have demonstrated this? I am speaking of scientifically confirmed levitation, even temporary and partial (reduction of body mass, not necessarily floating). Names, places, researchers, and peer reviewed papers please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Xeno, can you fly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Welcome back Robin. I did not say anything earlier, not sure you were going to stay a while. And I do not seem to have much time lately to wade through voluminous text. I think your analysis below has some weight to it. As Susan hinted at earlier, I think the state you were experiencing was a mystical state of union, not enlightenment; you cannot back out of enlightenment; you can back out of glimpses or more sustained experiences of its precursors. Enlightenment is a realisation, it is not a sustained experience of one type; it is an understanding, though not an intellectual one, and it shows one that all ideas one had about it were nonsense. It is utterly not metaphysical. The Zen master Dogen said, 'Do not think you will necessarily be aware of your own enlightenment'. The ego resists to the end its destruction, or rather its inactivation; it can hang around, like a broken watch. Yours is still ticking. This is not wrong or bad. Giving up control not bad either; but the 'correct' understanding is that it makes no difference whatever whether you are in control or not. I tend to dislike religious terminology, that metaphysical murk, but I found this passage which might interest you by C.S. Lewis, that atheist, then Christian, then an off-again and on-again Christian: 'God will invade. But I wonder whether people who ask God to interfere openly and directly our world quite realise what it will be like when He does. When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks onto the stage the play is over. God is going to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying your are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else --- something it never entered your head to conceive --- comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left?' The embrace of God is terrible and crushing to the ego; I believe you are simply substituting another version of the ego's grasp for immortality, its attempt to subvert infinity for its limited ends. The ego wants God as an ally, to pump itself up; God only 'wants' to be God, because God is God - I am that I am, and, all This is That. Eventually a watch will stop. Eventually time will run out for you, and then there will be no choice, in that peculiar sense that it does not matter, but it is not a bad thing. Like Barry, you seem to have an interest in maintaining free will, that strange concept that we are agents of our own destiny. We are, but not in the sense we tend to think. In this you and Barry seem to be alike even if all else about you is not. I imagine the two of you being on the same boat, though one is perhaps starboard, and the other is on the port side. The boat I am imagining is the Titanic; nothing like a dip in the cool ocean to wake one up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is the determinant of whether a person is enlightened or not, is just fatuousUNLESS he meant that, a person who is in Unity Consciousness, should cosmic intelligence through that person wish for him to fly, then he had better be able to fly! When I was in Unity Consciousness there was nothing anyone could say to me which would usurp the authority of this cosmic intelligence. So the demand: Prove that you are enlightened by flying right now would be the equivalent of saying: Your
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Just to acknowledge that according to what Robin says in his post to Lawson on this, what I've said here is irrlevant/off base. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: All of this ignores my observation that IF you were involved with the TM-Sidhis practice at some point, you WOULD have manifested the ability to float during your TM-Sidhis practice as part of your transition to Unity, according to MMY's claim that full enlightenment can be tested by the ability to float. Except that according to Robin, there was no such transition. He was in waking state, and then all of a sudden he was in Unity. So, sorry, your claim that the universe is responsible in some way for your performance or non-performance of floating doesn't wash. If the state of consciousness that Robin achieved was Unity as MMY described it, and if Robin achieved this state of consciousness instantaneously from waking state, as he claims, then he would never have been in a position to reliably demonstrate flying on someone else's demand, i.e., by the exercise of his own intention in response to that demand. If he had ever flown, in either state, it would have been because this universal intelligence decided he should, entirely independently of his own individual intention. And this would have been the case during program as well. Had you been practicing the TM-Sidhis during your transition to Unity, you would have been floating at some point. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I am not a siddha. What does this have to do with enlightenment? Has to do with a conversation Lawson and I and Robin were having about MMY's statement that being able to fly is the sine qua non of enlightenment. I had assumed you were following it and would recognize the relevance. Robin is saying MMY was fibbing; if you're enlightened and you can't fly, that would be two votes for a fib on MMY's part. Who in the TMO, including MMY have demonstrated this? I am speaking of scientifically confirmed levitation, even temporary and partial (reduction of body mass, not necessarily floating). Names, places, researchers, and peer reviewed papers please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Xeno, can you fly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Welcome back Robin. I did not say anything earlier, not sure you were going to stay a while. And I do not seem to have much time lately to wade through voluminous text. I think your analysis below has some weight to it. As Susan hinted at earlier, I think the state you were experiencing was a mystical state of union, not enlightenment; you cannot back out of enlightenment; you can back out of glimpses or more sustained experiences of its precursors. Enlightenment is a realisation, it is not a sustained experience of one type; it is an understanding, though not an intellectual one, and it shows one that all ideas one had about it were nonsense. It is utterly not metaphysical. The Zen master Dogen said, 'Do not think you will necessarily be aware of your own enlightenment'. The ego resists to the end its destruction, or rather its inactivation; it can hang around, like a broken watch. Yours is still ticking. This is not wrong or bad. Giving up control not bad either; but the 'correct' understanding is that it makes no difference whatever whether you are in control or not. I tend to dislike religious terminology, that metaphysical murk, but I found this passage which might interest you by C.S. Lewis, that atheist, then Christian, then an off-again and on-again Christian: 'God will invade. But I wonder whether people who ask God to interfere openly and directly our world quite realise what it will be like when He does. When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks onto the stage the play is over. God is going to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying your are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else --- something it never entered your head to conceive --- comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left?' The embrace of God is terrible and crushing to the ego; I believe you are simply substituting another version of the ego's grasp for immortality, its attempt to subvert infinity for its limited ends. The ego wants God as an ally, to pump itself up; God only 'wants' to be God, because God is God - I am that I am, and, all This is That. Eventually a watch will stop. Eventually time will run out for you, and then there will be no choice, in that peculiar sense that it does not matter, but it is not a bad thing. Like Barry, you seem to have an interest in maintaining free will, that strange concept that we are agents of our own destiny. We are, but not in the sense we tend to think. In this you and Barry seem to be alike even if all else about you is not. I imagine the two of you being on the same boat, though one is perhaps starboard, and the other is on the port side. The boat I am imagining is the Titanic; nothing like a dip in the cool ocean to wake one up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Lawson, Just one thing you should know: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined b cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. So Maharishi saying that being able to fly is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
Actually there are some people like this in the Dome. They have a very down to earth feeling. One woman I'm thinking of in particular, she's even been on IA from the beginning! And is still very balanced, good sense of humor, kind. Wonder what her secret is. btw, I love that: enlightenment, good fun but don't take it too seriously. From: marekreavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly Excellent reply, Salyavin808. For what it's worth, I agree with you. People some time in the past (and continuing into the present) discovered that there are ways to manipulate conscious experience and some of the resultant, changed states can be beneficial and helpful in navigating the challenges and demands of life, as well as being rewarding just on the feel good and insightful axes. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/neurophilosophy/comments/v6why/what_do_people_think_of_the_tm_concept_of/ (as always up-vote or down-vote it as you deem appropriate) What do people think of the TM concept of enlightenment? Are people even familiar with it? In a nutshell: There are seven major states of consciousness: waking, dreaming and sleeping, a foundational state sometimes called pure consciousness which underlies the three above, a state which fully integrates the first three with pure consciousness, also known as the first stage of enlightenment, which is simply a nervous system sufficiently stress-free to not disrupt what SHOULD be the default perception that pure consciousness IS the basis of the first three, two further states beyond that, which build upon the first enlightened state. The claim is that just as waking, dreaming and sleeping have physiological correlates, so do the rest in the list. comments? Good topic but perhaps wasted on those who haven't experienced it. As someone who has I can definitely say that, yes there are different states of consciousness but I draw the line at saying they are higher as I see no evidence of improved behaviour from those claimed to be in that state. I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic variation or social pressure. I knew someone with schizophrenia who went through many stages of mania, depression and even a jesus mode (as I called it then) whereby he would radiate an amazing peace and calm and be the most pleasant, involving person to talk to. Everyone in a room would sit just soak up the atmosphere he created. Therefore, that's how I see enlightenment as working, it's due to how our brains construct the picture that we call reality inside our heads i would say there are many components involved in the various stages, hearing, spacial awareness etc. and these can be jumbled up or switched off at various times - drugs, illness, meditation. Sometimes these changes can be permanent for a while, ask Robin Carlsen for details. Enlightenment, good fun but don't take it too seriously..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
Touche' turquoiseb and can hardly type as am having a wonderful laugh. At the truth of that (-: Vive la difference! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, I don't even know what reddit means (I've asked Alex) but will wade in here anyway. This is my 3rd spiritual forum and I've read lots of spiritual blogs, websites, etc. during the last 2 1/2 years. A few books like Adya's and Perfect Brilliant Stillness, etc. Plus doing TMSP since 1977. MA in SCI. What I've noticed, she said inching out onto the limb, is that men seem way more interested in the whole question of Am I Enlightened Yet than women do. Hmmm, maybe I'll leave it at that (-: No, don't leave it at that! My own experience is that women are more likely to just incorporate something like TM into their lives and get on with work/family etc. Whereas men seem more likely to take it all way too seriously and devote themselves to gaining the highest goal and join purusha etc. I did anyway! If there is any truth in male/female differences like men are better at abstract thought then we will try and analyse where we are. Can't help it. But I got over it and it's all back in perspective. Speaking of inching out onto the limb :-), it has been observed that men *can* get over things. Women tend to hang onto them for decades, and possibly lifetimes. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
No, don't leave it at that! Okey dokey, here goes: Women have 2 verbal centers to man's 1. The Earth's kundalini moved from India and Tibet to southern hemisphere which indicates rise of Divine Feminine; And last but not least, supposedly the Dalai Lama has said that the world will be saved (?) by Western women. On the other hand (-: I'm enjoying the well balanced masculine of FFL. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, I don't even know what reddit means (I've asked Alex) but will wade in here anyway. This is my 3rd spiritual forum and I've read lots of spiritual blogs, websites, etc. during the last 2 1/2 years. A few books like Adya's and Perfect Brilliant Stillness, etc. Plus doing TMSP since 1977. MA in SCI. What I've noticed, she said inching out onto the limb, is that men seem way more interested in the whole question of Am I Enlightened Yet than women do.  Hmmm, maybe I'll leave it at that (-: No, don't leave it at that! My own experience is that women are more likely to just incorporate something like TM into their lives and get on with work/family etc. Whereas men seem more likely to take it all way too seriously and devote themselves to gaining the highest goal and join purusha etc. I did anyway! If there is any truth in male/female differences like men are better at abstract thought then we will try and analyse where we are. Can't help it. But I got over it and it's all back in perspective. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 1:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/neurophilosophy/comments/v6why/what_do_people_think_of_the_tm_concept_of/ (as always up-vote or down-vote it as you deem appropriate) What do people think of the TM concept of enlightenment? Are people even familiar with it? In a nutshell: There are seven major states of consciousness: waking, dreaming and sleeping, a foundational state sometimes called pure consciousness which underlies the three above, a state which fully integrates the first three with pure consciousness, also known as the first stage of enlightenment, which is simply a nervous system sufficiently stress-free to not disrupt what SHOULD be the default perception that pure consciousness IS the basis of the first three, two further states beyond that, which build upon the first enlightened state. The claim is that just as waking, dreaming and sleeping have physiological correlates, so do the rest in the list. comments? Good topic but perhaps wasted on those who haven't experienced it. As someone who has I can definitely say that, yes there are different states of consciousness but I draw the line at saying they are higher as I see no evidence of improved behaviour from those claimed to be in that state. I also dislike the idea that it is our default state and that it's simply stress that keeps us away from it. This seems like a clever bit of self serving propaganda, it keeps you devoted to both your own development and that of society as it's part of the dogma that once, a long time ago, everyone was like this all the time and it's only stress that stops us all from living as a perfect society again. Aint nuthin wrong with daydreams but it does tend to keep the true believers on the foam instead of doing something useful with their lives. Each to their own but all those chemical imbalances can be addictive, and I know as I've done it. If it really was our default state we would all be in it or have it during childhood at least. but we don't. This whole age of enlightenment belief is another legend of the fall that every single human culture has developed. That doesn't mean there is something to the AofE, garden of eden etc. what it really pertains to something common to all peoples lives that of seperation from the mother and the growth of awareness of difference we develop in childhood. You'd think that someone in an actual higher state of perfect knowledge would have realised that but no, they don't seem to have any useful, verifiable insights at all it's all a defualt hindu belief like their crappy incomplete astrology that doesn't even use the right number of planets. You'd think perfect knowledge would see the others? Makes the siddhi for knowing motions of planets seem inadequate don't you think? I think enlightenment is one of the many states of mental disorder that can happen due to various genetic
[FairfieldLife] Re: India drowning in its own excreta, oh shit
Billy boy, I am well aware of that. I was talking about the plumbing principle ie, running water delivered through gravity through aquaducts. Take note that the indus civilisation was created by the 'indigenous negroid aborgines' and was never vedic. A massive drought and change in climate caused a collapse and the cities were abandoned. The population melted away into rural hinterlands and adopted an agrarian rural lifestyle. There is almost a thousand year gap before the next crop of city civilisation began to rise. It's a mystery really one that has never understood. The indus civilisation is still waiting for it's 'Rosseta Stone' like the egyptian one. --- emptybill emptybill@... wrote: You are rather late to get the news. Almost every house unit at Mohenjo-daro was equipped with a private bathing area with drains to take the dirty water out into a larger drain that emptied into a sewage drain. Many of these bathing areas had water tight floors to keep moisture from seeping into the other rooms nearby or below. http://www.harappa.com/indus/12.html --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: The actual figures are even higher, Bhairitu. They say close to 700 million people in india have no toilets. Another major problem with many indians is that they don't hesitate to defecate even near roadsides or highways and even footpaths. An uncle of mine who worked in Africa for many years say that many African tribal villages inspite of having no toilets are actualy quite clean and tidy. They have better hygiene sense that most indians! --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: That was true in Morocco when I was growing up there in the early 60s as well. It was considered bad form to leave a big, steaming pile of one's inner self in public view, when non-public areas were just a few steps away. The tidiest, as I remember, were the Berbers, possibly as a result of being desert dwellers and having a reverence for the space around them. They, even though nomadic by nature, dug latrines and carefully covered them up before moving to the next place. They were in a sense the first Sierra Club-ers I met, Leaving nothing behind but foot- prints, taking nothing but memories. Just as a reminder, the take a dump wherever you might be mindset was probably prevalent during the much-vaunted, golden Vedic Age as well. And I'm supposed to believe that these peoples' ideas about health, social interaction, spiritual reality and the nature of consciousness constitute knowledge, or the gold standard? Get real. India today is not a degraded form of Vedic India. It's the same place, and still IMO suffering under the yoke of the same mindset. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Barry, did you know that the only city in ancient times that had running water delivered to your doorstep was ancient Rome with it's Aquaducts. After the collapse of Rome, no city in the world had running water till the 19th century when plumbing was developed. Thanks to the industrial revolution. Nehru, India's first prime minister once remarked that the flush toilet is one the greatest inventions of the modern age.!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. Those texts could have been carved by truth-destroying rakshashas to make you think the pyramids are merely tombs for local kings. Or that the salyavin fellow believes everything he reads :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Touche' turquoiseb and can hardly type as am having a wonderful laugh. At the truth of that (-: Vive la difference! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another reddit thread started by yours truly  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, I don't even know what reddit means (I've asked Alex) but will wade in here anyway. This is my 3rd spiritual forum and I've read lots of spiritual blogs, websites, etc. during the last 2 1/2 years. A few books like Adya's and Perfect Brilliant Stillness, etc. Plus doing TMSP since 1977. MA in SCI. What I've noticed, she said inching out onto the limb, is that men seem way more interested in the whole question of Am I Enlightened Yet than women do. Hmmm, maybe I'll leave it at that (-: No, don't leave it at that! My own experience is that women are more likely to just incorporate something like TM into their lives and get on with work/family etc. Whereas men seem more likely to take it all way too seriously and devote themselves to gaining the highest goal and join purusha etc. I did anyway! If there is any truth in male/female differences like men are better at abstract thought then we will try and analyse where we are. Can't help it. But I got over it and it's all back in perspective. Speaking of inching out onto the limb :-), it has been observed that men *can* get over things. Women tend to hang onto them for decades, and possibly lifetimes. :-) Just occurred to me, could there be a connexion with the maternal (?; mitochondrial) DNA?? :o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
It's amazing how both of you seem to keep forgetting, over and over, that Robin has said--also over and over-- that he's no longer enlightened. Yet you keep trying to hold him to your standards of enlightenment and suggesting he's a fraud because he doesn't meet them. This tag-team, pile-on approach to dissing Robin that you've taken is making you look extremely foolish, especially since Barry refuses to read what Robin writes, and iranitea can't seem to understand what he's read of what Robin has written. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Robin, the very moment you start to DEFEND your own enlightenment, there is already something wrong. I didn't read any of this, and won't. It's too sad to participate in, even vicariously. I'm commenting because the something wrong that you perceive probably has to do with the word your with regard to enlightenment. As long as there is someone who feels it is my state of consciousness, or my past, or even my present, and that someone feels the need to defend any of these things, there is an ego involved. The larger the defense, the larger the ego. As I've said recently, IMO to interact with that ego is to facilitate its attempts to hold onto itself (its self), and thus is not a favor. Yep. I am already given to the power that rules my fate. And I cling to nothing, so I will have nothing to defend. I have no thoughts, so I will see. I fear nothing, so I will remember myself. Detached and at ease, I will dart past the Eagle to be free. Then. Now. No difference, as far as I can tell... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksa4VjKE3RY Great song! so true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKiMbC6s2k
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his religious tradition... Unless what he was referring to was mistakes *from the cosmic perspective*, not the human perspective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
On 06/17/2012 07:42 PM, Susan wrote: Lilian Rosen was a character. I know of one TM teacher who went to her for an advanced technique. When she asked him what his mantra was, and he told her, she exploded, saying that was impossible, he could not have learned that yet. Well, it turned out that MMY himself had given this teacher that very mantra she yelled about. The teacher walked out.. refusing to have anything to dow ith learning anything from Lilian. That's funny because before I became a teacher I helped Lillian one day with when she gave out advanced techniques. I had heard all kinds of stories so was ready for some caustic reactions from her, however she treated me very nicely and appreciatively.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
On 06/18/2012 12:25 AM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/17/2012 06:43 PM, stevelf wrote: my comments below I had confusion over my advanced technique too which MMY gave me on TTC but so did about 1/2 the plane of folks returning from TTC. Many could either not remember at all or not remember clearly. A few years later I just learned something else and have been happy ever since. BTW, I wrote MMY twice for a mantra check but never heard back. Learning something else is not that big a deal since many other paths have mantras for the public that are as strong as the advanced technique (yes it is those paths first technique). I am curious what specific other paths you are referring to. The curious thing about advanced techniques is that (according to what I have seen on some websites) the difference between the advanced techniques is pretty minimal-- just some added shri's and namah's in different #'s with the same core bija mantra in between... hold on, I think some lightning just hit my house how strange, there's not a cloud in the sky.. Ones you probably should have read up on or met people who practiced them. :-D Or did you just stick to the straight and narrow TM path? The advanced technique is just a Saraswati mantra. I even had a professor of astrology at Benares Hindu University recommend the same mantra to me after he looked at my horoscope. Some people might do better with a Shiva mantra and others with a mantra for Ram. There are lots of mantras. Short beejs like the first technique work because they are short and about anyone can give them. The longer ones, even though easily learned, require a jump start by a teacher who knows how to do that. In fact MMY started out that way. My replacement mantra was simply Shiva mantra or Om Nama Shivaya. Kinda proves that an accurate pronunciation is not very important. I think a more correct spelling would be om namaH shivaaya (prolly pronounced by most something like 'awm namash shivaaya'). The form 'shivaaya' is the dative singular, 'to/for shiva'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVi5NeY3veM (BTW, never before noticed that most Shivas have a hair colour that's kinda Russian, or Siberian, i.e. , not black...LOL!) Of course it depends on the transliteration and what considerations are made for the target audience. The transliterations we were given for the TM puja took into consideration the American accent. A lot of transliterations of Sanskrit and Hindi are for British accents so Americans might screw those up. And then Om should rhyme with home not hum. Ultimately one should teach followers Devanagari and even a short course would help so the question of pronunciation is eliminated. I have my guru write mantras in Devanagari to keep things clear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. Those texts could have been carved by truth-destroying rakshashas to make you think the pyramids are merely tombs for local kings. Or that the salyavin fellow believes everything he reads :-) Is that irony? I can't tell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pureview Windoze phoney??
On 06/18/2012 07:26 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: I have a Windows 7 64-bit machine and a Vista laptop. After using Linux (Ubuntu) for several years as my main machine I can't stand how clunky and stupid Windows is. I don't have the patience for the Linux learning curve, and its lack of support for mainstream hardware renders it completely useless crippleware for my needs. E.g., I have a Slingbox, and it is not supported under Linux. Recently, I bought a new printer for the first time since 1998, a LaserJet Pro 400 Color, and it occurred to me that I could use it with my old Canon flatbed scanner to replace our ancient Canon personal copier, which had ceased making decent quality copies. I hadn't used the scanner in ages, but the Canon website had both the Win 7 driver and software for it, and the old Dell D610 laptop that runs the Post Count script is now the brains of our color laser copier. It works perfectly: push the copy button on the front of the scanner, and the network printer spits out the copy. I just looked, and Canon has no Linux support at all for my scanner. In the meantime what can we do to coordinate a chat room time? I see people drop by when no one else is around. It would be a hoot to have a full fledge FFL chat! Ugh... I hate real-time chat. You're on your own with that one. I'm familiar with your patience having helped you install the Post Count. :-D There isn't much of a learning curve anymore for Linux. It's just another GUI. Drivers can be found but then that's why I use HP stuff because they sell Linux servers so they have drivers. But I don't like their ink (ch)eating printers. There a scanner on the printer too which is also a copier and is wifi and works with Android (they made an Android driver and app). AND ... Windows is getting less and less user friendly and sometimes requires some rather tech knowledge dependent solutions. Anyone who wants to check out Linux can put a persistent install on a memory card which will work much faster than running it off a CD or DVD though not as fast as when installed on a computer. Of course setting this up is a bit geeky but not too much so. http://linuxmint.com/ And for putting it on a USB stick: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ Enjoy! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/17/2012 07:42 PM, Susan wrote: Lilian Rosen was a character. I know of one TM teacher who went to her for an advanced technique. When she asked him what his mantra was, and he told her, she exploded, saying that was impossible, he could not have learned that yet. Well, it turned out that MMY himself had given this teacher that very mantra she yelled about. The teacher walked out.. refusing to have anything to dow ith learning anything from Lilian. That's funny because before I became a teacher I helped Lillian one day with when she gave out advanced techniques. I had heard all kinds of stories so was ready for some caustic reactions from her, however she treated me very nicely and appreciatively. Consider yourself fortunate, and rare. :-) By 1977, whenever she came to L.A. it had become impossible to find anyone who was willing TO work with her in any way, or assist her in any fashion. Comments from those approached tended to be of the I'd rather die...twice variety. The last time she came through town on an Advanced Techniques teaching tour, we literally had to import some people from out of town who had never met her to serve as setup people for the teaching process. We didn't dare approach our local meditators, and none of the teachers would come within a city block of her. Several passed on getting their Advanced Techniques period, preferring to wait a year or two rather than to get one from her. Suffice it to say she was quite a trip. :-) I heard a great Lilian story once, although I can't verify that it was true. It concerns Bobby Lee, at the time one of the Regional Coordinators. Lilian was supposed to come to his city to teach, and having heard about her from others, he decided to do a pre- emptive kindness strike to try to get on her good side. Knowing where she would be staying, he called ahead and ordered two dozen long-stemmed roses to be delivered to her room the morning she arrived, with a card from him. Somehow the florist messed up, and delivered the box of flowers to the hotel several days early. The hotel staff, not knowing any better, put the box in her room, and so when she opened it, it contained two dozen black, rotting roses, with a card from Bobby Lee. Supposedly he was supposed to pick her up that morning to drive her to the teaching location, but when he arrived police were waiting to question him. She had accused him of threatening her life. Yet another TM Death Threat Harpy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Is that irony? I can't tell. Irony, as employed on FFL, is saying something that you later regret saying, and then claiming that when you originally said it you were only kidding, being ironic. Does that make your task easier? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Good one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his religious tradition... Unless what he was referring to was mistakes *from the cosmic perspective*, not the human perspective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
Another good laugh, thank you. Hmmm, maybe she was also holding on to a grudge from lifetimes ago, as we females do (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/17/2012 07:42 PM, Susan wrote: Lilian Rosen was a character. I know of one TM teacher who went to her for an advanced technique. When she asked him what his mantra was, and he told her, she exploded, saying that was impossible, he could not have learned that yet. Well, it turned out that MMY himself had given this teacher that very mantra she yelled about. The teacher walked out.. refusing to have anything to dow ith learning anything from Lilian. That's funny because before I became a teacher I helped Lillian one day with when she gave out advanced techniques. I had heard all kinds of stories so was ready for some caustic reactions from her, however she treated me very nicely and appreciatively. Consider yourself fortunate, and rare. :-) By 1977, whenever she came to L.A. it had become impossible to find anyone who was willing TO work with her in any way, or assist her in any fashion. Comments from those approached tended to be of the I'd rather die...twice variety. The last time she came through town on an Advanced Techniques teaching tour, we literally had to import some people from out of town who had never met her to serve as setup people for the teaching process. We didn't dare approach our local meditators, and none of the teachers would come within a city block of her. Several passed on getting their Advanced Techniques period, preferring to wait a year or two rather than to get one from her. Suffice it to say she was quite a trip. :-) I heard a great Lilian story once, although I can't verify that it was true. It concerns Bobby Lee, at the time one of the Regional Coordinators. Lilian was supposed to come to his city to teach, and having heard about her from others, he decided to do a pre- emptive kindness strike to try to get on her good side. Knowing where she would be staying, he called ahead and ordered two dozen long-stemmed roses to be delivered to her room the morning she arrived, with a card from him. Somehow the florist messed up, and delivered the box of flowers to the hotel several days early. The hotel staff, not knowing any better, put the box in her room, and so when she opened it, it contained two dozen black, rotting roses, with a card from Bobby Lee. Supposedly he was supposed to pick her up that morning to drive her to the teaching location, but when he arrived police were waiting to question him. She had accused him of threatening her life. Yet another TM Death Threat Harpy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Star consciousness? A serious scientist tries it on for size.
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=23203 A very satisfying read. As much as I like this report, the scientist sure doesn't use consciousness as I do. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Robbie boy's contradictions
Robbie boy, you still contradict yourself. If the intelligences which created the universe has nothing to do with the actions of the enlightened person, then it's not Unity consciousness. There are no personal god or gods. You are definitely bullshitting. Please don't insult the intelligence of the people in this forum. We all in this forum are seekers. But we unlike you have some humility to learn and not assume that we already know everything. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: If Maharishi posted something on FFL at, I say, at the height of his powers and influence and prestige *we would recognize that this postereven if we didn't know who he was was, in his discussion and analysis of enlightenment, providing the most potent metaphysical subtext of anyone posting on FFL*. Well, then, I had better realize this, shouldn't I, else my irony sensibiity has atrophied something serious since I gave up this enlightenment business. But more than this, it is not the intelligence which created the universe which has created this state of consciousness; nor does the intelligence which created the universe have anything to do with the actions of the enlightened person I mean in the sense of being the direct and specific cause of those actions, In this sense the cosmic in cosmic consciousness is not cosmic at all. It certainly is a metaphysical power, and perhaps even is being controlled by very powerful intelligences; but those intelligences would be Maharishi's Vedic gods, or personal gods, or impulses of creative intelligence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. Those texts could have been carved by truth-destroying rakshashas to make you think the pyramids are merely tombs for local kings. Or that the salyavin fellow believes everything he reads :-) Is that irony? I can't tell. Dunno about Nabs, but I was facetiously riffing off the concept of Satan creating fossils to test humanity's faith in God.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. Those texts could have been carved by truth-destroying rakshashas to make you think the pyramids are merely tombs for local kings. Or that the salyavin fellow believes everything he reads :-) Is that irony? I can't tell. Dunno about Nabs, but I was facetiously riffing off the concept of Satan creating fossils to test humanity's faith in God. I got that one Alex, it was Nabby saying I'll believe anything I read when he thinks the pyramids are UFO batteries or whatever it was because of some book he read.
[FairfieldLife] The Wisdom of Chopra...
...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http:// www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra
[FairfieldLife] Re: Star consciousness? A serious scientist tries it on for size.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=23203 A very satisfying read. I guess the big question is why do stars want to move faster? And how do they communicate to other stars in other galaxies how fast to move to give the illusion that some other universal force is acting on them? As much as I like this report, the scientist sure doesn't use consciousness as I do. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http:// www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra Ha! That is seriously priceless, I got: Perceptual reality arises and subsides in cosmic reality Lawson, Judy and Robin will be arguing the veracity of that all night if we don't tell them where it came from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http:// www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra The ego is the wisdom of an expression of joy Interdependence projects onto your own possibilities Orderliness arises and subsides in unbridled opportunities My God, that's brilliant! All they need to do now is make coin-operated animatronic Chopras and place them strategically in various wooville locales, like Santa Fe, Sedona, Fairfield, Asheville NC, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http:// www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra Ha! That is seriously priceless, I got: Perceptual reality arises and subsides in cosmic reality Lawson, Judy and Robin will be arguing the veracity of that all night if we don't tell them where it came from. Greatness transcends quantum facts The unpredictable is inherent in visible knowledge Wholeness is the continuity of total sensations It's almost *too* uncanny to be false.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
Thanks for your help, Lawson-- I am sifting through your comments to find what can help me. Oh really? You obsess over the pronunciation of your mantra every time you start meditating? I can't even remember how to pronounce my mantra without some moments of thought, so I'm supposed to take 5-10 minutes of exploring pronunciations until I find the one that feels right? And... how is does this obsession about your mantra jive with the just the right start that can occur when your mantra spontaneously appears during the 30 seconds with the eyes closed? Do you go: oh no! that's not right! I gotta stop thinking that 'wrong mantra' and think my REAL mantra! As I have said many times: the fact that TM teachers often don't understand TM themselves, doesn't prevent them from teaching TM, as long as they follow the instructions they were given during TTC. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
I like it, thank you, Nabby... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Well, the fact that you are hung up on pronunciation of the mantra (or any other aspect of an advanced technique) during meditation suggests to me that you don't get TM, no matter how many times you have taught or checked a person. Whatever is easy. Remember? Exactly. Just let go and everything will be fine. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:38 PM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http:// www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra Ha! That is seriously priceless, I got: Perceptual reality arises and subsides in cosmic reality Lawson, Judy and Robin will be arguing the veracity of that all night if we don't tell them where it came from. Quantum physics explains unique experiences
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:52 PM, salyavin808 wrote: Greatness transcends quantum facts I've always said that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: [...] Vaj Restoring the purity of the tradition since 1974. So you've spend 38 years being an anti-TMer? Wow. Dedication far beyond mine since I am a long-term TMer because I think it helps me in some way. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra Ha! That is seriously priceless, I got: Perceptual reality arises and subsides in cosmic reality Lawson, Judy and Robin will be arguing the veracity of that all night if we don't tell them where it came from. It *would* have been much funnier if the first person to discover this site had simply posted the quotes themselves, followed by - The Wisdom Of Chopra. Brilliant idea for a parody. Curtis would just love it. All that you need in the New Age community to pass for wisdom is a bunch of buzzwords, strung together at random. My quote, cosmically enough, was The world requires ephemeral sexual energy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
Thanks to you for passing that on, Share --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Steve, Ho'oponopono, from the Hawaiian Kahuna tradition. Can google very cool story of Dr. Hew Len's work in ward for criminally insane. I'm sorry Please forgive me Thank you I love you Share
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra Ha! That is seriously priceless, I got: Perceptual reality arises and subsides in cosmic reality Lawson, Judy and Robin will be arguing the veracity of that all night if we don't tell them where it came from. It *would* have been much funnier if the first person to discover this site had simply posted the quotes themselves, followed by - The Wisdom Of Chopra. Brilliant idea for a parody. Curtis would just love it. All that you need in the New Age community to pass for wisdom is a bunch of buzzwords, strung together at random. My quote, cosmically enough, was The world requires ephemeral sexual energy. :-) I got this: Unless what he was referring to was mistakes *from the cosmic perspective*, not the human perspective. Oh no wait, that was Judy from earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip That indeed might be the case. In which case, all of MMY's pontificating about full enlightenment meaning that one never makes mistakes was merely the wishful ramblings of yet another religious fanatic trying to justify the extremes of his religious tradition... Unless what he was referring to was mistakes *from the cosmic perspective*, not the human perspective. Yar. I developed a quasi theory about this: what constitutes a mistake is different in different states of consciousness... Someone in normal waking state hears MMY talking about freedom from mistakes and assumes he means perfection in every action. Never even makes a arithmetic error, or whatever. Someone in CC assumes he means doing something that would would somehow take him out of CC (some overwhelming stress might conceivably do this for the non-jivan mukti). Someone in GC assumes he means doing something that might hurt other people. Someone in Unity assumes he means perfection in every action. Of course, all of the above, especially the last, might be a simplification, assuming that I am even remotely on teh right track here. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: John, if you are interested in this idea and ancient Egyptian civilization and its spiritual knowledge, see if you can find the book called Initiation by Elizabeth Haich. I think she is dead now, but she wrote the book sometime in the 1960's at the request of several of her students. She was a German pianist, had a family, and since childhood had many spontaneous spiritual experiences which she did not really understand. She was guided by a Master who appeared to her in her awarenss only. As an adult, she began to recall a past life in Egypt, and her own initiation at one of the temples. A good portion of the book is about that past life of hers in Egypt. She says the pyramids and some temples were definitely used to raise the consciousness of well trained students, males and females. She, however, made a mistake and had a bad result. But her writings about life during that era are fascinating. According to Haich, it was a very very spiritual civilization in Egypt, and they had serious training for aspirants to higher states of consciousness. Among other things, she claimed that she had been trained, just as a normal part of her daily life, to communicate with lions and tigers (they roamed the grounds of her family estate). They did not attack her because of this. Anyway, it is an engrossing read (I read it in 1971, so I can only hope it is still engrossing) and an amazing story. Her descriptions of higher states of consciousness as she evolved in her life of the 1920-50's pretty much match MMY's stages. She is one of those people who as a young person spontaneously began doing yoga postures without ever having seen or read of them. She was from a wealthy German family - and I think she had to leave during Hitler's time. I know Barnes and Noble has it, but it costs $32.75. Maybe you can find it elsewhere for less, or get a used copy. Susan, Thanks for the recommendation. I'll look up the book an read it. Nonetheless, it is fascinationg to see this video clip because it ties in with the commentaries of Srila Prabhupada in the Srimad Bhagavatam about the ancient rulers of Egypt. He said that these rulers came from India who had escaped the wrath of Parasuraman, the ax-wielding incarnation of Vishnu. As you may have watched in the video, the ancient Egyptians had similar knowledge as those of ancient India. They knew astronomy and astrological concepts to regulate their time and activities. They knew the various chakras in the body. They diagnosed and healed diseases by sound. They used hallugenic drugs to induce altered states of consciousness. I'm beginning to suspect that the ancient Egyptians used the Giza pyramid to chant mantras for healing the body and for raising the consciousness on a global scale. If so, maybe some TMers should meditate and chant inside this pyramid to enhance the Maharishi Effect. :) Been there, done that. But the pyramids doesn't work that way but were constructed for ease of astral travel. Do read Haich's book, highly recommended. Nabs, If you watch the other parts of this documentary, they discussed other uses of the Giza Pyramid. Some engineers believe that the pyramid was used to create electricity from the natural flowing water in the aquafir underneath the pyramid. So, it may have also been a power source for the people in the area. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Star consciousness? A serious scientist tries it on for size.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=23203 A very satisfying read. As much as I like this report, the scientist sure doesn't use consciousness as I do. Edg Well, I have nothing against conscious stars, but I don't know how a star, conscious or not, could maneuver itself around unless it had Trance Gemini-like powers. Perhaps he watched too many ANdromeda episodes back in the day? L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My TM mantra dilemna--- help requested...
On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:58 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: [...] Vaj Restoring the purity of the tradition since 1974. So you've spend 38 years being an anti-TMer? No, restoring the purity of the tradition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I got that one Alex, it was Nabby saying I'll believe anything I read when he thinks the pyramids are UFO batteries or whatever it was because of some book he read. That's so silly the Turq could have written it :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: The author believes that the Giza pyramid in Egypt was a consciousness machine. It was designed to maintain the global consciousness of human beings at a high level during the silver age or yuga. This brings one of the experts to believe that the pyramids of Egypt may have been built 36,000 years ago, which is derived by using the vedic measurement of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaMrPaisYEfeature=g-vrec Couple of points, the vedic measurement of time is bollocks as it puts the earliest humans as existing before the earth formed. Get yourself a calculator and work it out. I did. The pyramids are a tomb for the local king, it says so in the texts carved into the buildings next to them. Salyavin, If you watch the other parts of the documentary, you will see that the author is questioning the past assumptions and theories about the pyramid. The author stated that human beings may have been here on earth longer than the current accepted scientific theory proposes. Michael Cremo, for instance, believes that humans have been on earth for over a million years. He bases his belief on an archeological dig in California which found human artifacts that were found on geological layers that were over a million years old. Also, the documentary was discussing the time period of the precession of the earth's rotation, which is estimated to be about 26,000. The ancient rishis of India knew of this precession, which is the reason why they devised the ayanamsha in jyotish to make adjustments to the observations made for the various planets. You should watch the other parts of the documentary to satisfy your questions about the Giza Pyramid, and others in Egypt. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pyramid Code Revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Another question is why were ancient kings always so into building vast monuments? Think of the labour and time that pyramids would have taken, must have been exceptionally important Or completely unimportant, having to do with an ego desperate to leave something of itself behind to continue pretending that it exists or ever existed. In other words, a lot like building a number of Maharishi Towers Of Invincibility, eh? No practical purpose whatsoever. Does absolutely nothing for anyone except for the ego that commissions it, and then only before that ego dies. A total embarrassment on all sides, if you ask me... Barry, You should watch the entire documentary to understand what the author is trying to say. The documentary will answer much of your doubts about the pyramids. You will find that the pyramids are not mere monuments of a dead pharoah. They display the ancient knowledge and technology related to the ancient Egyptian culture. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wisdom of Chopra...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...is apparently indistinguishable from random word strings: http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ Perceptual reality is the path to reckless facts - Wisdom of Chopra Ha! That is seriously priceless, I got: Perceptual reality arises and subsides in cosmic reality Lawson, Judy and Robin will be arguing the veracity of that all night if we don't tell them where it came from. It *would* have been much funnier if the first person to discover this site had simply posted the quotes themselves, followed by - The Wisdom Of Chopra. Brilliant idea for a parody. Curtis would just love it. All that you need in the New Age community to pass for wisdom is a bunch of buzzwords, strung together at random. My quote, cosmically enough, was The world requires ephemeral sexual energy. :-) I got this: Unless what he was referring to was mistakes *from the cosmic perspective*, not the human perspective. Oh no wait, that was Judy from earlier. It's easy to get confused. You know those Synopsize programs that are available to parse a long report or text and render it down to the shortest possible version for busy executives? There's even one built into Microsoft Word, and it's fun to run various texts through it to see what you get. I haven't tried running a long block of Chopra text through it, but I did paste in one of Robin's 1,500- word treatises, and what it gave me as a synopsis was, What I thought was enlightenment really wasn't, except that it really was, or I wouldn't have thought it. :-)
