[FairfieldLife] The Onion posts the best Roger Ebert obit so far
It's sweet, it's poignant, and it riffs on Roger's own quote, No good movie is too long, and no bad movie is too short. RIP, Roger...you've earned your measure of peace. Roger Ebert Hails Human Existence As 'A Triumph'News http://www.theonion.com/features/news/ News http://www.theonion.com/channels/news/ ISSUE 4914 http://www.theonion.com/issue/4914/ Apr 4, 2013 [396] CHICAGOCalling the overall human experience poignant, thought-provoking, and a complete tour de force, film critic Roger Ebert praised existence Thursday as an audacious and thrilling triumph. While not without its flaws, life, from birth to death, is a masterwork, and an uplifting journey that both touches the heart and challenges the mind, said Ebert, adding that while the totality of all humankind is sometimes a mess in places, it strives to be a magnum opus and, according to Ebert, largely succeeds at this goal. At times brutally sad, yet surprisingly funny, and always completely honest, I wholeheartedly recommend existence. If you haven't experienced it yet, then what are you waiting for? It is not to be missed. Ebert later said that while human existence's running time was a little on the long side, it could have gone on much, much longer and he would have been perfectly happy. http://www.theonion.com/articles/disney-finds-dozens-of-unauthorized-ch\ aracters-app,31939/ http://www.theonion.com/articles/disney-finds-dozens-of-unauthorized-ch\ aracters-app,31939/
[FairfieldLife] I do not fear death, by Roger Ebert
An excerpt from his book Life Itself: A Memoir. http://www.salon.com/2011/09/15/roger_ebert/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. Maharishi gave different instructions to different groups for a reason. Different strokes for different people. Stop whining and learn to live with it. There are rules everywhere, every company and org have their own regulations. Those that can't accept that are free to start their own group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saintly Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. John Douglas comes to Fairfield in just a few days. http://www.spirit-repair.com/shop/workshops I would love to know what your definition of saint is. Or at least the definition of those who go to see these people. The Saintly: Spiritually activated folks who carry a field effect that is healing physically or in consciousness in positive transformative spiritual affect on people. It's that simple, we know them when we meet them in the work of their lifetime. From FFL post 335353 : It is relatively helpful in looking at this holy subject to graph comparatively the Saintly or Holy ones in a Distribution by Graphing their Saintly Distribution as data pairs on a Cartesian x-y axis. It seems most everyone here in Fairfield has developed a graph somewhat like this that they work off of from their own experience in sorting [reconciling] the [moral] spiritual dissonance they've seen. See FFL post 335353 for the graph http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/335353 Trouble? For the community? Well yes, things evidently went backwards recently with the movement guidelines. Talked to someone just recently, an old movement campaigner who was denied employment up there because would not sign a paper pledging to never see saints again. This is a highly competent long time movement person in the community that they had sought out for employment in to a position. After the discussion the person turned around and called the course office people to check the guidelines and it was confirmed the guidelines are back again to old governors not seeing saints to be involved with the movement. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures, initiations, and whatever I have to offer all these
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Mike, Kim Jong Un is mentally disturbed as can be seen in his natal chart. That's why his decision making is erratic and dangerous. What about everyone else born on that day, are they mentally disturbed too? There ought to be a system whereby astrologers tell us what children to euthenase before they become a threat to others or the world. Maybe in the age of enlightenment? Unfortunately, the US will have to take all of his threats seriously. If he acts on his threat, the US will have to retaliate accordingly to defend itself. It could be a very ugly scenario for the history books. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: could this be the Mouse That Roared, a suicidal attack, in the hopes that the US would rebuild a new North in a unified Korea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Beware on April 26, 2013 Â Given the tense situation in North Korea, the US military should be extra vigilant on this day for possible attack from the rogue nation. On this day, Mars will be in very close opposition with Saturn. There are several planets involved in this opposition, including the Moon and Venus. It is likely that the malefic opposition can be mitigated by the involvement of women in the situation. Perhaps, the president of South Korea should keep close contact with the wife of Kim Jong Un. They could possibly prevent a nuclear war. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE
dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the intention to do your best, Share. It was pretty good, all things considered. But the motive for Hitler's valentine: on that hangs a fearful judgment!
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the intention to do your best, Share. It was pretty good, all things considered. But the motive for Hitler's valentine: on that hangs a fearful judgment!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
A couple of questions about this - how many levels of experience are they counting and what are they? The other question is, what do they do with this info - as in if 500 people have level 2 experiences on Thursday, what does that mean? And how do they take the polls of what experiences are happening? Do they have you fill out forms or something? From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement Level 1 experiences are counted for percentages everyday in the dome, men, women, vedic city, special groups, etc. It is the experience of bliss becoming blissful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I am not familiar with what Level 1 experiences mean - I haven't been to Fairfield since I was on staff at MIU in the 1980's From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  Thanks Michael. I will just keep going on doing what I do. I love my program, but I have never been financially dependent on anyone from the TMO. I feel I have the best of both worlds. I am grounded and enjoy my work. I contribute, and the knowledge, my experiences have always been fantastic. If I did not get anything from the technique I would not practice it a week. The truly devoted are the ones in the Dome who are part of the 50% who keep coming back and report daily no level 1 experiences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Having read your ideas about the Movement it gives me a good feeling that there are people with common sense who want something that has been good for them to blossom and prosper. Even having left TM years ago, I do understand the feeling doing program gives one, I recently did my TMSP after years of not doing so and it felt good. I sincerely believe the only way for you to fulfill the desires you have for the Movement is to walk away from the TM Movement and create one of your own. Others have done so, thereby giving a fresh venue for teaching and promoting the technique that is so meaningful to you. The TM Movement has never really existed to do what you want it to do. I spent years wondering why something that felt so good to me and had such high goals and spoke about itself in such glowing terms could produce such unkind, unhelpful people who administered the Movement - how could the practice of the TM technique not create a group of individuals who administered the Movement intelligently, lovingly, and efficiently? As long as I believed that Maharishi was enlightened and somehow in some unknown way, the excesses and omissions of the people who ran the Movement were some sort of aberrant anomalies and that one day it would all balance out, the Movement would straighten itself out and people would actually be well taken care of in all phases and aspects of their dealings with the TMO, much of what Maharishi did and none of what the TMO did made any sense. When I realized that Maharishi was not enlightened, and used his Movement to further his desires to, in essence, be a big shot, gain wealth and have a revolving door of sex partners, it all fell into place. This means that the people who ran and still run the Movement learned at his feet and realize that anything they want to do is alright as long as they remain in charge and get paid. The idea that Bevan, Tony and the rest will ever give any authority to a Board of Directors is something that will never happen. They will not give up power - the TMO gives them everything. When is the last time any of them had to worry about paying rent? How to pay the utilities? When is the last time they had to wash their own clothes? Make their own meals? These guys live like princes and they won't give it up. They will never put others needs and desires above their own need to be in charge and keep getting paid, just like their former leader - and just like M putting these guys in charge, who do you think these guys will pick to follow them? The exact same energy will be passed on in the next generation of leadership. Get together with all the responsible teachers with common sense who feel the way you do, organize your own Movement and get out while the getting is good. I have mentioned once or twice before that Girish, and the Srivastavas brothers still run the Maharishi Group which I believe still owns all the property that MUM is occupying, both the land and buildings. If the day comes when they feel the revenue coming to them from MUM isn't satisfying them, they will sell
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - the TMO is just like Marshy was capricious and unfair - and lots of the absurd rules are very Nazi-like -no wonder Nappy likes 'em. Besides, not seeing the so-called saints has to do with only one thing - not wanting people to give ANY credit for experiences to anything other than the TMO, and to try to prevent gifts, payments and donations to ANYONE other than the TMO, cuz a donation to Amma, Sri Sri Ravi or any other saint is dollars that the TMO doesn't get. It costs a whole heap of money to feed the Movement and they don't want to miss a penny. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 5:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. Maharishi gave different instructions to different groups for a reason. Different strokes for different people. Stop whining and learn to live with it. There are rules everywhere, every company and org have their own regulations. Those that can't accept that are free to start their own group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Career As Path (was Re: Majorca Spain to turq)
As opposed to Marshy who died in dementia having spent years lying to and defrauding millions of people? At least Rama had the good grace to remove himself from harming anyone else at the end, Marshy hung on tight with both his fists as long as he could, of course after he got really bad with his mind, his kin and the TMO leaders could not reveal the truth for fear of the whole TMO-is-good-cause-an-enlightened-saint-set-it-up schtick would fall apart. Of course they could always have claimed he was still enlightened and was just taking on a whole bunch of his favorite followers karma cuz he was so peachy keen loving to them. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Career As Path (was Re: Majorca Spain to turq) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Perhaps Lenz was the perfect teacher for those on the traditionally defined career path. And other teachers are perfect for others on different dharma paths. Share, here's how Rama and guru of the Turq ended his career; he committed suicide by throwing himself in the ocean wearing a dog-collar around his neck. That's quite a testimonial from a perfect teacher, wouldn't you say ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
Michael, As the self appointed spokesman for the group, I want to extend a Hell Yea to you for staying under the posting limit. (or at least what looks like an accomplishment in this regard). I know we've worked on some techniques. Breathe in, Breathe out. And the exercises we've been doing, asking yourself, Is this something I need to post just right now? Isn't it a good feeling to know that you can wake up Saturday morning, with FULL POSTING PRIVLIDGES? Yea, I know it is. Anyway, I'm off to work. But, I will be feeling a little lighter, a little extra bounce in my step, knowing that we've achieved this milestone again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: A couple of questions about this - how many levels of experience are they counting and what are they? The other question is, what do they do with this info - as in if 500 people have level 2 experiences on Thursday, what does that mean? And how do they take the polls of what experiences are happening? Do they have you fill out forms or something? From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  Level 1 experiences are counted for percentages everyday in the dome, men, women, vedic city, special groups, etc. It is the experience of bliss becoming blissful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I am not familiar with what Level 1 experiences mean - I haven't been to Fairfield since I was on staff at MIU in the 1980's From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement àThanks Michael. I will just keep going on doing what I do. I love my program, but I have never been financially dependent on anyone from the TMO. I feel I have the best of both worlds. I am grounded and enjoy my work. I contribute, and the knowledge, my experiences have always been fantastic. If I did not get anything from the technique I would not practice it a week. The truly devoted are the ones in the Dome who are part of the 50% who keep coming back and report daily no level 1 experiences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Having read your ideas about the Movement it gives me a good feeling that there are people with common sense who want something that has been good for them to blossom and prosper. Even having left TM years ago, I do understand the feeling doing program gives one, I recently did my TMSP after years of not doing so and it felt good. I sincerely believe the only way for you to fulfill the desires you have for the Movement is to walk away from the TM Movement and create one of your own. Others have done so, thereby giving a fresh venue for teaching and promoting the technique that is so meaningful to you. The TM Movement has never really existed to do what you want it to do. I spent years wondering why something that felt so good to me and had such high goals and spoke about itself in such glowing terms could produce such unkind, unhelpful people who administered the Movement - how could the practice of the TM technique not create a group of individuals who administered the Movement intelligently, lovingly, and efficiently? As long as I believed that Maharishi was enlightened and somehow in some unknown way, the excesses and omissions of the people who ran the Movement were some sort of aberrant anomalies and that one day it would all balance out, the Movement would straighten itself out and people would actually be well taken care of in all phases and aspects of their dealings with the TMO, much of what Maharishi did and none of what the TMO did made any sense. When I realized that Maharishi was not enlightened, and used his Movement to further his desires to, in essence, be a big shot, gain wealth and have a revolving door of sex partners, it all fell into place. This means that the people who ran and still run the Movement learned at his feet and realize that anything they want to do is alright as long as they remain in charge and get paid. The idea that Bevan, Tony and the rest will ever give any authority to a Board of Directors is something that will never happen. They will not give up powerÃâà- the TMO gives them everything. When is the last time any of them had to worry about paying rent? How to pay the utilities? When is the last time they had to wash their own clothes? Make their own meals? These guys live like princes and they won't give it up. They will never put others needs and desires above their own need to be in charge and keep getting paid, just like their former leader - and just like M putting these guys in charge, who do you
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 05-Apr-13 12:44:46 UTC
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/30/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 04/06/13 00:00:00 512 messages as of (UTC) 04/05/13 12:35:04 47 authfriend 42 Michael Jackson 41 Share Long 41 Buck 38 turquoiseb 30 Ann 29 seventhray27 22 Bhairitu 19 curtisdeltablues 17 Richard J. Williams 17 Emily Reyn 15 card 13 John 10 srijau 10 salyavin808 10 merudanda 10 jwtrowbridge 10 Robin Carlsen 9 Alex Stanley 8 nablusoss1008 8 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 7 feste37 6 Yifu 6 Carol 5 Ravi Chivukula 4 wleed3 4 merlin 4 doctordumbass 4 PaliGap 3 emilymae.reyn 3 Goddess Ninmah 3 Dick Mays 2 wgm4u 2 sparaig 2 laughinggull108 2 Susan 2 Mike Dixon 1 raunchydog 1 martyboi 1 emptybill 1 azgrey 1 Rick Archer 1 FairfieldLife 1 Duveyoung Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 05-Apr-13 12:44:46 UTC
Due to posts showing up late in email, I manually ran the post count script for your post counting pleasure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/30/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 04/06/13 00:00:00 512 messages as of (UTC) 04/05/13 12:35:04 47 authfriend 42 Michael Jackson 41 Share Long 41 Buck 38 turquoiseb 30 Ann 29 seventhray27 22 Bhairitu 19 curtisdeltablues 17 Richard J. Williams 17 Emily Reyn 15 card 13 John 10 srijau 10 salyavin808 10 merudanda 10 jwtrowbridge 10 Robin Carlsen 9 Alex Stanley 8 nablusoss1008 8 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 7 feste37 6 Yifu 6 Carol 5 Ravi Chivukula 4 wleed3 4 merlin 4 doctordumbass 4 PaliGap 3 emilymae.reyn 3 Goddess Ninmah 3 Dick Mays 2 wgm4u 2 sparaig 2 laughinggull108 2 Susan 2 Mike Dixon 1 raunchydog 1 martyboi 1 emptybill 1 azgrey 1 Rick Archer 1 FairfieldLife 1 Duveyoung Posters: 44 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013
also a very young(27 and immature) leader of a nation and can be easily manipulated. He may have painted himself into a corner that he will have to *fight* his way out of,literally. The trouble is, when these things get started, you don't know where they end up. The US is already talking regime change if this goes too far. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013 Mike, Kim Jong Un is mentally disturbed as can be seen in his natal chart. That's why his decision making is erratic and dangerous. Unfortunately, the US will have to take all of his threats seriously. If he acts on his threat, the US will have to retaliate accordingly to defend itself. It could be a very ugly scenario for the history books. JR --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: could this be the Mouse That Roared, a suicidal attack, in the hopes that the US would rebuild a new North in a unified Korea? From: John jr_esq@... To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Beware on April 26, 2013 Â Given the tense situation in North Korea, the US military should be extra vigilant on this day for possible attack from the rogue nation. On this day, Mars will be in very close opposition with Saturn. There are several planets involved in this opposition, including the Moon and Venus. It is likely that the malefic opposition can be mitigated by the involvement of women in the situation. Perhaps, the president of South Korea should keep close contact with the wife of Kim Jong Un. They could possibly prevent a nuclear war. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013
Now there's a project for Maharishi Jyotish! Avoid the suffering before it comes! We'll just kill the little bastards before they get started! Better yet, that system could tell what their potential is at the moment of conception so if people wanted to have sex at that moment in time, they could go to a different time zone to conjugate and avoid conceiving a little Hitler. And just think of all the new laws and regulations that could come about regulating when and where people could have sex. This could be a lawyers dream! From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 3:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Mike, Kim Jong Un is mentally disturbed as can be seen in his natal chart. That's why his decision making is erratic and dangerous. What about everyone else born on that day, are they mentally disturbed too? There ought to be a system whereby astrologers tell us what children to euthenase before they become a threat to others or the world. Maybe in the age of enlightenment? Unfortunately, the US will have to take all of his threats seriously. If he acts on his threat, the US will have to retaliate accordingly to defend itself. It could be a very ugly scenario for the history books. JR --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: could this be the Mouse That Roared, a suicidal attack, in the hopes that the US would rebuild a new North in a unified Korea? From: John jr_esq@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Beware on April 26, 2013 Â Given the tense situation in North Korea, the US military should be extra vigilant on this day for possible attack from the rogue nation. On this day, Mars will be in very close opposition with Saturn. There are several planets involved in this opposition, including the Moon and Venus. It is likely that the malefic opposition can be mitigated by the involvement of women in the situation. Perhaps, the president of South Korea should keep close contact with the wife of Kim Jong Un. They could possibly prevent a nuclear war. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
Ah, yes, Nazi-like. Of course. What took you so long? You should pick this up and run with it, Michael. If you take a look back in the archives you will find plenty of valuable references, enough to keep you frothing at the mouth for days or possibly even weeks. Nazi-like! Nazi-like! I advise you not to stop and ask yourself, In what sense, precisely, are the rules of the TMO, 'Nazi-like'. That would just spoil all the fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - the TMO is just like Marshy was capricious and unfair - and lots of the absurd rules are very Nazi-like -no wonder Nappy likes 'em. Besides, not seeing the so-called saints has to do with only one thing - not wanting people to give ANY credit for experiences to anything other than the TMO, and to try to prevent gifts, payments and donations to ANYONE other than the TMO, cuz a donation to Amma, Sri Sri Ravi or any other saint is dollars that the TMO doesn't get. It costs a whole heap of money to feed the Movement and they don't want to miss a penny. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 5:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. Maharishi gave different instructions to different groups for a reason. Different strokes for different people. Stop whining and learn to live with it. There are rules everywhere, every company and org have their own regulations. Those that can't accept that are free to start their own group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
Dare I ask, dear Steve, what trade would that be, me grinning wickedly From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the intention to do your best, Share. It was pretty good, all things considered. But the motive for Hitler's valentine: on that hangs a fearful judgment!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013
How dare you impugn my dear Dolphie in this way! Was it his fault that Old Scowly Face intercepted my beautiful valentine before I could deliver it to him at recess? sniff sniff He was never the same after that. And then next year that Van Braun hussy came into our 4th grade. From there it was all down hill for my dear Dolphie. Let the historians among you take note of that! PS to dear Dolphie wherever you are and in case I forget: Happy Birthday on May 1 toothy facial beam From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013 Now there's a project for Maharishi Jyotish! Avoid the suffering before it comes! We'll just kill the little bastards before they get started! Better yet, that system could tell what their potential is at the moment of conception so if people wanted to have sex at that moment in time, they could go to a different time zone to conjugate and avoid conceiving a little Hitler. And just think of all the new laws and regulations that could come about regulating when and where people could have sex. This could be a lawyers dream! From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 3:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beware on April 26, 2013 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Mike, Kim Jong Un is mentally disturbed as can be seen in his natal chart. That's why his decision making is erratic and dangerous. What about everyone else born on that day, are they mentally disturbed too? There ought to be a system whereby astrologers tell us what children to euthenase before they become a threat to others or the world. Maybe in the age of enlightenment? Unfortunately, the US will have to take all of his threats seriously. If he acts on his threat, the US will have to retaliate accordingly to defend itself. It could be a very ugly scenario for the history books. JR --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: could this be the Mouse That Roared, a suicidal attack, in the hopes that the US would rebuild a new North in a unified Korea? From: John jr_esq@ To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Beware on April 26, 2013 Â Given the tense situation in North Korea, the US military should be extra vigilant on this day for possible attack from the rogue nation. On this day, Mars will be in very close opposition with Saturn. There are several planets involved in this opposition, including the Moon and Venus. It is likely that the malefic opposition can be mitigated by the involvement of women in the situation. Perhaps, the president of South Korea should keep close contact with the wife of Kim Jong Un. They could possibly prevent a nuclear war. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  You know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it! There are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving. I think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time. If only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond. And I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development. So I am at a certain level of development with reference to this. As is everyone else. No need to feel sad on my account. I am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably. Referring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything. Just as is everyone else! And from Salyavin: Another explanation is that maybe we just don't know enough about the nature of reality yet? I did say that it seemed you were expressing a grudge against turq. I apologize for misjudging you about that and about your interaction with Curtis. And I apologize to Doc if it seemed I was mocking him. Indeed I enjoyed his post about this. It is my experience also that the tragic and the beautiful can be exquisitely intertwined.   PS I saw your post in one of Ann's and retrieved it from Message View. It has not yet appeared in my yahoo inbox. Fair enough, Share. Thanks. I was acting in both my analysis of Barry and in my two posts to Curtis, from a clear conscience and a loving heart. I do not carry or have grudges--never have. My analysis came from a direct perception, and I believe it to be something that can be tested against one's experience. No one with any intelligence could fail to comprehend what I said. Indeed Curtis said it was formulaic, simple, and unsophisticated. In my two posts to Curtis I was acting honourably and appropriately, given what he had written to Ann about me and about his friend and then in his contemptuous reference to DrD. You will understand, then, Share, that as far as I am concerned my motives to write what I wrote were unimpeachable. You will realize therefore that your characterization of those posts gravely contradicts my conscious intention and experience--and make a mockery of those posters who chose to respond to what I have written in terms which coincide with my intention and experience. What this disagreement turns on then, Share, is the quality of truthfulness I exercised in writing that analysis of Barry, and in my two posts to Curtis versus the quality of truthfulness you are exercising in telling me I was in the case of the analysis of Barry expressing a grudge and that I was incomprehensible; and in the case of Curtis, that I was sarcastic and accusatory when he had been reasonable. You realize that if there is such a thing
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
Perhaps you might ask them whether or not they think it is a good idea for you to energetically align yourself with Adolf Hitler. I will pray for your soul. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 àYou know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it!àThere are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving.àI think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time.àIf only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond.àAnd I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development.àSo I am at a certain level of development with reference to this.àAs is everyone else.àNo need to feel sad on my account.àI am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably.àReferring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything.àJust as is everyone else! And from Salyavin:àAnother explanation is that maybe we just don't know enough about the nature of reality yet? I did say that it seemed you were expressing a grudge against turq.àI apologize for misjudging you about that and about your interaction with Curtis.àAnd I apologize to Doc if it seemed I was mocking him.àIndeed I enjoyed his post about this. It is my experience also that the tragic and the beautiful can be exquisitely intertwined. ààPSàI saw your post in one of Ann's and retrieved it from Message View.àIt has not yet appeared in my yahoo inbox. Fair enough, Share. Thanks. I was acting in both my analysis of Barry and in my two posts to Curtis, from a clear conscience and a loving heart. I do not carry or have grudges--never have. My analysis came from a direct perception, and I believe it to be something that can be tested against one's experience. No one with any intelligence could fail to comprehend what I said. Indeed Curtis said it was formulaic, simple, and unsophisticated. In my two posts to Curtis I was acting honourably and appropriately, given what he had written to Ann about me and about his friend and then in his contemptuous reference to DrD. You will understand, then, Share, that as far as I am concerned my motives to write what I wrote were unimpeachable. You will realize therefore that your characterization of those posts gravely contradicts my conscious intention and experience--and make a mockery of those posters who chose to respond to what I have written in terms which coincide with my intention and experience. What this disagreement turns on then, Share, is the quality of truthfulness I
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
It is indeed Perfect Response. And so is this. But the verdict is now in. Share's response is quite obviously a form of defensive irony to avoid having to reveal whether her initial suggestion of the Holocaust remedy was meant ironically or not. It was obviously a straight answer. Why don't you ask her--offline: Am I to assume that this last response to Robin means unequivocally that you made that Hitler Valentine comment in jest? No, Share simply and reflexively (and I must presume involuntarily) found that her modus operandi could come up with only one idea: I WILL JUST NOT DEAL WITH THIS. And she did not. Steve, Yes, you are a great guy, but your NEED to celebrate what Share just did, it is your meta-blind spot. But you dwell in a kind of grace of not-knowingness (regarding matters like this), so I say: This is what they call in the trade A Perfect Response. Sure, let's do that. I will not try to remove the bullet in your foot--as I see there are quite a few lodged there--but since you don't feel any pain, no problem. Great post, Steve. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the intention to do your best, Share. It was pretty good, all things considered. But the motive for Hitler's valentine: on that hangs a fearful judgment!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
The TMO rules are analogous to the Nazi regime rules and in some senses the TMO itself has been compared to the Nazi regime because: 1 - Marshy used to praise Hitler 2 - German Purusha, who should be focusing on enlightenment and world peace have been reported as wearing German swastikas underneath their ties and celebrating Hitler's Birthday in Movement facilities (yet they have so-called standards about music and other vibes that are supposedly off the program) 3 - The rules of the Nazi regime served the interests of the regime overall and its leaders over the real best interests of the people of the German state, even those in the Nazi party in many instances. Same story for the TMO. 4 - Everyone under the Nazi regime was expected to march in lock-step (or should I say goose-step) with whatever arbitrary and capricious orders were handed down from on high. Same deal for the TMO. 5 - Infractions of the rules were dealt with in a harsh and unfair fashion by the Nazis. Same deal for the TMO. 6 - Many low, mid, and upper level managers of the Nazi regime were hidebound, stupid and unable to express real creativity. Same for the TMO. 7 - The rules of the Nazi Party were created and administered in an unfair capricious manner that was ultimately to the detriment of the German people and the party itself. Same for the TMO. 8 - As Barry had mentioned there have been times that official TM reps have grilled and interrogated meditators and those seeking to advance in the Movement as to whether or not the applicants are actually marching in lock step with the TM Movement. I believe the Nazis were famous for such activities. 9 - Much like the Nazis, many upper level TM people have a great sense of elitism, entitlement and superiority to non-meditators and even those who are beneath them in the Movement. 10 - Like the Nazi regime, the TM Movement does not want people to engage in independent thinking, but rather to think whatever the TMO tells them to think. I could come up with more obvious comparisons but I have other things to do today. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement Ah, yes, Nazi-like. Of course. What took you so long? You should pick this up and run with it, Michael. If you take a look back in the archives you will find plenty of valuable references, enough to keep you frothing at the mouth for days or possibly even weeks. Nazi-like! Nazi-like! I advise you not to stop and ask yourself, In what sense, precisely, are the rules of the TMO, 'Nazi-like'. That would just spoil all the fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - the TMO is just like Marshy was capricious and unfair - and lots of the absurd rules are very Nazi-like -no wonder Nappy likes 'em. Besides, not seeing the so-called saints has to do with only one thing - not wanting people to give ANY credit for experiences to anything other than the TMO, and to try to prevent gifts, payments and donations to ANYONE other than the TMO, cuz a donation to Amma, Sri Sri Ravi or any other saint is dollars that the TMO doesn't get. It costs a whole heap of money to feed the Movement and they don't want to miss a penny. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 5:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. Maharishi gave different instructions to different groups for a reason. Different strokes for different people. Stop whining and learn to live with it. There are rules everywhere, every company and org have their own regulations. Those that can't accept that are free to start their own group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
How many Jews has the TMO killed? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The TMO rules are analogous to the Nazi regime rules and in some senses the TMO itself has been compared to the Nazi regime because: 1 - Marshy used to praise Hitler 2 - German Purusha, who should be focusing on enlightenment and world peace have been reported as wearing German swastikas underneath their ties and celebrating Hitler's Birthday in Movement facilities (yet they have so-called standards about music and other vibes that are supposedly off the program) 3 - The rules of the Nazi regime served the interests of the regime overall and its leaders over the real best interests of the people of the German state, even those in the Nazi party in many instances. Same story for the TMO. 4 - Everyone under the Nazi regime was expected to march in lock-step (or should I say goose-step) with whatever arbitrary and capricious orders were handed down from on high. Same deal for the TMO. 5 - Infractions of the rules were dealt with in a harsh and unfair fashion by the Nazis. Same deal for the TMO. 6 - Many low, mid, and upper level managers of the Nazi regime were hidebound, stupid and unable to express real creativity. Same for the TMO. 7 - The rules of the Nazi Party were created and administered in an unfair capricious manner that was ultimately to the detriment of the German people and the party itself. Same for the TMO. 8 - As Barry had mentioned there have been times that official TM reps have grilled and interrogated meditators and those seeking to advance in the Movement as to whether or not the applicants are actually marching in lock step with the TM Movement. I believe the Nazis were famous for such activities. 9 - Much like the Nazis, many upper level TM people have a great sense of elitism, entitlement and superiority to non-meditators and even those who are beneath them in the Movement. 10 - Like the Nazi regime, the TM Movement does not want people to engage in independent thinking, but rather to think whatever the TMO tells them to think.  I could come up with more obvious comparisons but I have other things to do today. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  Ah, yes, Nazi-like. Of course. What took you so long? You should pick this up and run with it, Michael. If you take a look back in the archives you will find plenty of valuable references, enough to keep you frothing at the mouth for days or possibly even weeks. Nazi-like! Nazi-like! I advise you not to stop and ask yourself, In what sense, precisely, are the rules of the TMO, 'Nazi-like'. That would just spoil all the fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - the TMO is just like Marshy was capricious and unfair -àand lots of the absurd rules are very Nazi-like -no wonder Nappy likes 'em. Besides, not seeing the so-called saints has to do with only one thing - not wanting people to give ANY credit for experiences to anything other than the TMO, and to try to prevent gifts, payments and donations to ANYONE other than the TMO, cuz a donation to Amma, Sri Sri Ravi or any other saint is dollars that the TMO doesn't get. It costs a whole heap of money to feed the Movement and they don't want to miss a penny. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 5:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. Maharishi gave different instructions to different groups for a reason. Different strokes for different people. Stop whining and learn to live with it. There are rules everywhere, every company and org have their own regulations. Those that can't accept that are free to start their own group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
SL: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us. RC: There is no evidence that this is an 'experience' of yours, whatsoever, Share. This is imagined via your philosophy, a philosophy whose purpose is to insure there is a fire wall between you and reality at all times. Reality? The reality, Share, which would make you seek to find the actual point of tension which results in the disagreement about the truthfulness and appropriateness of those disputed posts of mine. Your platitudes here cannot be a substitute for finding out WTF REALITY THINKS OF THIS DIFFERENT WAY YOU AND I ARE INTERPRETING HER. Does it matter to reality which one of us more closely represents her (reality's) point of view about those posts, Share? Was your construal more innocent and sincere (therefore more convincing) than DrD's judgment of those same posts? Is there, does there exist, some means of adjudicating between different claims about what is more real, what is more truthful? I believe there is, although this is not set out in any book I have read or lived out by any person that I have known. SL: That any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it! RC: What is the empirical or experimental basis of this knowledge you present here, Share? You have actually experienced inside your being the simultaneity of free will and reality being expressed in the actions of an individual human being? No one that I have ever known (or who has existed as a human being) has ever had such an experience--For if they had this experience, Share, they would be able to solve the problem of free will and determinism. Don't you see, Share, you are making an idea take the place of an existential encounter with your own personally felt experience? This is what confounds me, that you settle for a pure abstraction in the place of a required experience. There is no experience here, Share; therefore what you propose is just Hindu philosophy disjoined from your own existence. SL: There are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving. RC: Fine, Undoubtedly true. What has this to do with those three posts of mine, your question to authfriend, or anything I have written to you since then? There is, Share, a real place of exact location where life is going on in this argument we are having. Why not see where we can go by bearing as much of what is happening here as we can--and see where we end up? I want to bring all of myself, all of my history, along with me in any serious debate--and I don't mind being humbled in the discovery that indeed my analysis of BW was ill-conceived, that my posts to CM were scornful and petty. But you have not entered into any form of experience whereby you could deliver up such a verdict--because then, Share, SOME OF REALITY WOULD BE COMING THROUGH YOU WHEN YOU DID THIS. And I would feel this. This is where what really is the case (objectivity) gets into our subjectivity (what we *experience* is the case, or what we would *like* to be the case). SL: I think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time. RC: Are we, Share? Where is the data you have collected on this issue, in terms of recording it on your nervous system? Don't you see, Share, if you really believed this, there should be some evidence--even unconscious--that your life reflects the legitimacy of drawing such a conclusion. Whereas the fact is, you are a zero (in terms of the legacy of your life) in any connection you are making here between this idea and reality. Like right in this very moment, Share, what is your experience of what I just said? I submit to you, Share, you are dominated by a subjective experience that tells you what I am writing must be answered *in order to allow you to survive with your philosophy and modus operandi intact*. Whereas what I would have liked is for you to see what the effect is of what I say upon you as a living soul in the universe. Hell, you might be right about everything, Share, but the irony is: YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO KNOW THIS. SL: If only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond. RC: Just a concept, Share. SL: And I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development. RC: Intriguing idea here, Share. Does it go to anything relevant to what we have been discussing? The need for filtering: that could be a concept interestingly enough which is pertinent here (to our dispute). Again, Share, you are going from an idea, a sentiment, a principle back to life, instead of the other way around. What just astonishes me, Share, is that all I get from you (besides your intelligence and friendliness) are ideas totally divorced from your personal experience. And whatever is keeping you in this
[FairfieldLife] Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Is the US Headed for Fiscal Collapse?
David Stockman thinks so. But his stance on the management of the economy appears too severe and conservative. There are other ways the economy can bump and grind. http://news.yahoo.com/u-headed-fiscal-collapse-083000608.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
Your subjective delight overwhelms any chance of the impartiality of truth getting to have any say in this, Steve. And therefore, all we get is your emotion. If you were really making contact with what was true, the truth would do the work for you that, in the absence of this objectifying element, you must do all on your own. If your initial experience of reading Share's response to my Hitler's Valentine post originated in reality, this would be present in your post. The desperate chivalry and eruption of unfortunate relief is all that came through, Steve. If there was any validity in your judgment of Share's post, it would make itself known independent of your own feelings. And it did not. See what a sore loser I am? You would make Share's post into some devastating counterpunch. Share actually just went into her corner and handed out flowers. Did you actually smell those flowers, Steve? And your post ignored how much I wanted her to best me. (Read my post again, Steve; the first Hitler's Valentine.) You must remember, Steve: The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the intention to do your best, Share. It was pretty good, all things considered. But the motive for Hitler's valentine: on that hangs a fearful judgment!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - I'm very happy and grateful that you have clarified this point now Michael Jackson. Thank's again !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
TMO likes wealthy Jews to keep 'em goin' From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement How many Jews has the TMO killed? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The TMO rules are analogous to the Nazi regime rules and in some senses the TMO itself has been compared to the Nazi regime because: 1 - Marshy used to praise Hitler 2 - German Purusha, who should be focusing on enlightenment and world peace have been reported as wearing German swastikas underneath their ties and celebrating Hitler's Birthday in Movement facilities (yet they have so-called standards about music and other vibes that are supposedly off the program) 3 - The rules of the Nazi regime served the interests of the regime overall and its leaders over the real best interests of the people of the German state, even those in the Nazi party in many instances. Same story for the TMO. 4 - Everyone under the Nazi regime was expected to march in lock-step (or should I say goose-step) with whatever arbitrary and capricious orders were handed down from on high. Same deal for the TMO. 5 - Infractions of the rules were dealt with in a harsh and unfair fashion by the Nazis. Same deal for the TMO. 6 - Many low, mid, and upper level managers of the Nazi regime were hidebound, stupid and unable to express real creativity. Same for the TMO. 7 - The rules of the Nazi Party were created and administered in an unfair capricious manner that was ultimately to the detriment of the German people and the party itself. Same for the TMO. 8 - As Barry had mentioned there have been times that official TM reps have grilled and interrogated meditators and those seeking to advance in the Movement as to whether or not the applicants are actually marching in lock step with the TM Movement. I believe the Nazis were famous for such activities. 9 - Much like the Nazis, many upper level TM people have a great sense of elitism, entitlement and superiority to non-meditators and even those who are beneath them in the Movement. 10 - Like the Nazi regime, the TM Movement does not want people to engage in independent thinking, but rather to think whatever the TMO tells them to think.  I could come up with more obvious comparisons but I have other things to do today. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 9:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  Ah, yes, Nazi-like. Of course. What took you so long? You should pick this up and run with it, Michael. If you take a look back in the archives you will find plenty of valuable references, enough to keep you frothing at the mouth for days or possibly even weeks. Nazi-like! Nazi-like! I advise you not to stop and ask yourself, In what sense, precisely, are the rules of the TMO, 'Nazi-like'. That would just spoil all the fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - the TMO is just like Marshy was capricious and unfair - and lots of the absurd rules are very Nazi-like -no wonder Nappy likes 'em. Besides, not seeing the so-called saints has to do with only one thing - not wanting people to give ANY credit for experiences to anything other than the TMO, and to try to prevent gifts, payments and donations to ANYONE other than the TMO, cuz a donation to Amma, Sri Sri Ravi or any other saint is dollars that the TMO doesn't get. It costs a whole heap of money to feed the Movement and they don't want to miss a penny. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 5:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. Maharishi gave different instructions to different groups for a reason. Different strokes for different people. Stop whining and learn to live with it. There are rules everywhere, every company and org have their own regulations. Those that can't accept that are free to start their own group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
For once, Curtis, I can see your point. And I appreciate it. I wish I had read this before I posted that HV post. What I most respect about you is how you seek to do justice to an issue that is being controverted, how you amass all the details and demonstrate in your rebuttals how keen you are to grasp the entirety of what is at stake (in terms of truth). For instance, I could feel how you had absorbed all the posts back and forth between me and Share--and then how your post here reflected--and then transcended--the totality of what had been said. It is a very beautiful thing watching you in action, Curtis. You have the extraordinary gift of being infinitely invulnerable. All of what you say here is pure BS. Want to know why? I don't think you do. But if you answer this, I will tell you. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. Regardless of whether Share's initial response had the same sense of absurdity, I suspect Emily was referring to her Dolphie follow-up posts. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'd be astonished if anyone here was capable of anything equivalent to the Dolphie posts. Well, maybe *you* would be. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. I can go along with this, though. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Dear Curtis, the last line in your post is the closest that you come to my intentions on posting what I did. Talking in Bed Talking in be ought to be easiest, Lying together there goes back so far, An emblem of two people being honest. Yet more and more time passes silently. Outside, the wind's incomplete unrest Builds and disperses clouds about the sky, And dark towns heap up on the horizon. None of this cares for us. Nothing shows why At this unique distance from isolation It becomes still more difficult to find Words at once true and kind, Or not untrue and not unkind. James Dickey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
I was going to second Steve's post but I guess I would rather address you directly Robin since I am so tight with reality that if she dies tonight on the car ride home CSI would convict me on DNA evidence alone. From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault. You would make Share's post into some devastating counterpunch. You have used similar metaphors of competition in our conversations and I am seeing a pattern. The issue is that you seem to believe, perhaps sincerely, that you have a better insight into some posters here than they do of themselves. And when they reject this assumption, (as any adult would), you act as if you are in a fight to make them see themselves through your unflattering lens. Why would we? You may be thinking that your insight is more valuable than it is. And having been the focus of your unasked for improvement sessions myself, I have to say that you aren't that perceptive Robin. And perhaps you are in person, so you have developed an unnaturally high self-regard about this ability, but it isn't cutting it here. You have been running a formula and it is increasingly obvious. So that is my opinion and I don't need to word flood you about it or repeat it a million times. I've made my point and as a fellow adult I suspect you will just blow it all off as me being me. Just as Share did with you. I think she did pretty well considering that you were quite invested in going after her with an unfriendly agenda. She responded to your charges as best she could just as I tried to do. She engaged and stood up for herself. And no I don't want to know why you don't approve of my post to Emily. I'll let her speak for herself. One more thing. Crack a book on Descartes, you have him all wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Your subjective delight overwhelms any chance of the impartiality of truth getting to have any say in this, Steve. And therefore, all we get is your emotion. If you were really making contact with what was true, the truth would do the work for you that, in the absence of this objectifying element, you must do all on your own. If your initial experience of reading Share's response to my Hitler's Valentine post originated in reality, this would be present in your post. The desperate chivalry and eruption of unfortunate relief is all that came through, Steve. If there was any validity in your judgment of Share's post, it would make itself known independent of your own feelings. And it did not. See what a sore loser I am? You would make Share's post into some devastating counterpunch. Share actually just went into her corner and handed out flowers. Did you actually smell those flowers, Steve? And your post ignored how much I wanted her to best me. (Read my post again, Steve; the first Hitler's Valentine.) You must remember, Steve: The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just
[FairfieldLife] Robin or Good Irony vs Defensive Irony
Share to Robin: I can hardly keep up. Now we have Defensive Irony?! As opposed to Robin Irony which I assume is the Good Irony. BTW I made no suggestion about a Holocaust remedy. You of course know this. Perhaps you had written the word Holocaust in invisible ink? In the spirit of your approved Descartes's little technique, I made a light hearted response about Hitler and valentines. But you know this too. OTOH, a la Descartes, perhaps a valentine to Hitler would have healed him. Perhaps not. And apologies if I'm being too sentimental according to RWC. Anyway, think of the movie Citizen Kane for example. Rosebud, he said on his deathbed. Who knows what event can turn someone into a monster? Or prevent him from becoming one? Perhaps only ex cult leaders? I totally understand your ignoring the rest of my reply, instead grabbing onto this part and running with it. And lookie, you've got your little gang to run with it as well. Well at least Emily is praying for me! Robin to Steve: It is indeed Perfect Response. And so is this. But the verdict is now in. Share's response is quite obviously a form of defensive irony to avoid having to reveal whether her initial suggestion of the Holocaust remedy was meant ironically or not. It was obviously a straight answer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 ÃÂ You know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it!ÃÂ There are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving.ÃÂ I think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time.ÃÂ If only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond.ÃÂ And I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development.ÃÂ So I am at a certain level of development with reference to this.ÃÂ As is everyone else.ÃÂ No need to feel sad on my account.ÃÂ I am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably.ÃÂ Referring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything.ÃÂ Just as is everyone else! And from Salyavin:ÃÂ Another explanation is that maybe we just don't know enough about the nature of reality yet? I did say that it seemed you were expressing a grudge against turq.ÃÂ I apologize for misjudging you about that and about your interaction with Curtis.ÃÂ And I apologize to Doc if it seemed I was mocking him.ÃÂ Indeed I enjoyed his post about this. It is my experience also that the tragic and the beautiful can be exquisitely intertwined. ÃÂ ÃÂ PSÃÂ I saw your post in one of Ann's and retrieved it from Message View.ÃÂ It has not yet appeared in my yahoo inbox.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Wrong poet. This is by Philip Larkin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Curtis, the last line in your post is the closest that you come to my intentions on posting what I did. Talking in Bed Talking in be ought to be easiest, Lying together there goes back so far, An emblem of two people being honest. Yet more and more time passes silently. Outside, the wind's incomplete unrest Builds and disperses clouds about the sky, And dark towns heap up on the horizon. None of this cares for us. Nothing shows why At this unique distance from isolation It becomes still more difficult to find Words at once true and kind, Or not untrue and not unkind. James Dickey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
What on earth are you talking about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
I like the poem - repeated it from one of Robin's posts. Good to know though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Wrong poet. This is by Philip Larkin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Curtis, the last line in your post is the closest that you come to my intentions on posting what I did. Talking in Bed Talking in be ought to be easiest, Lying together there goes back so far, An emblem of two people being honest. Yet more and more time passes silently. Outside, the wind's incomplete unrest Builds and disperses clouds about the sky, And dark towns heap up on the horizon. None of this cares for us. Nothing shows why At this unique distance from isolation It becomes still more difficult to find Words at once true and kind, Or not untrue and not unkind. James Dickey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: It's got nothing to do with different instructions for different people - I'm very happy and grateful that you have clarified this point now Michael Jackson. Thank's again ! Probably many here wonders how you singelhandedly could reach a conclusion in such a complicated matter. Divine inspiration, spiritism perhaps ? Please enlighten us on the nature of your revelation !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
I am talking about the assumption that my post to Share and to FFL at large (in that I posted it publicly) was sent with some intention to pile on. Curtis also alluded to this. This is so completely off-base as an excuse for anything posted, IMHO, and completely negates and disrespects attempts to communicate with each other on all levels. I was responding, as an individual to Share's love notes to Hitler and yes, I found her decision to play up that aspect of the conversation she was having with Robin offensive and supremely disrespectful - no matter the context - but that's my issue and I claim that. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I like her; I was responding to what she posted. I was attempting to send her a little heart-felt feeling (as I don't think she can feel my prayers as legitimate - and, I haven't gotten around to doing them anyway, yet. Ha.) I was also intending to show some respect and give a nod to all the artists of Auschvitz (although I don't know that this song was written in a camp); an example of entertwining tragedy with beauty perhaps, in one sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: What on earth are you talking about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Too much consciousness Woo-Woo for TEDx
xTED. Dateline: the Fairfield Weekly Reader this week: ...the challenges continued on the scientific rigor of some talks as well an underlying theme of consciousness present in some presentations. the whole field of consciousness was a hot issue and a red flag for the TED community. .. They challenged our subtitle- Consciousness and Transformation-TED, as I found out later, they were at the center of a consciousness controversy TED pulled videos of such scientists as Rupert Sheldrake, , the next week, the TEDxWestHollywood event-also with a consciousness-oriented theme... -had their license revoked just two weeks prior to their event. , Silver Lining. Consciousness is so intrinsic to much of life in Fairfield... chosen to reframe this TEDx experience as an opportunity to restructure our event [without] TEDx. X-TEDx: creating a platform where we can freely express a consciousness-based orientation, an orientation of richness, subtlety, and depth. April 20th - Our Conscious Future.xTED ... consider this as an opportunity to re-affirm our own core values, as we explore the emerging paradigms shaping our conscious future. xTED
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
I am afraid that you are the one who is off the mark here. Nothing I wrote could possibly be interpreted as belittling the human condition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I am talking about the assumption that my post to Share and to FFL at large (in that I posted it publicly) was sent with some intention to pile on. Curtis also alluded to this. This is so completely off-base as an excuse for anything posted, IMHO, and completely negates and disrespects attempts to communicate with each other on all levels. I was responding, as an individual to Share's love notes to Hitler and yes, I found her decision to play up that aspect of the conversation she was having with Robin offensive and supremely disrespectful - no matter the context - but that's my issue and I claim that. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I like her; I was responding to what she posted. I was attempting to send her a little heart-felt feeling (as I don't think she can feel my prayers as legitimate - and, I haven't gotten around to doing them anyway, yet. Ha.) I was also intending to show some respect and give a nod to all the artists of Auschvitz (although I don't know that this song was written in a camp); an example of entertwining tragedy with beauty perhaps, in one sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: What on earth are you talking about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Another movie for Curtis
Since Curtis enjoyed the comedy Butter on Netflix WI I'll also recommend the comedy Dirty Girl. Set in 1987 Juno Temple plays a promiscuous teenager who pals up with a gay boy played by Jeremy Dozier and the two travel off to find her father. The cast includes Milla Jovovich, William H. Macy, Mary Steenburgen and Dwight Yoakam. Rated OK for Buck if he can get past the language. The film is hilarious. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dirty_Girl/70140516
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  You know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it! There are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving. I think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time. If only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond. And I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development. So I am at a certain level of development with reference to this. As is everyone else. No need to feel sad on my account. I am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably. Referring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything. Just as is everyone else! And from Salyavin: Another explanation is that maybe we just don't know enough about the nature of reality yet? I did say that it seemed you were expressing a grudge against turq. I apologize for misjudging you about that and about your interaction with Curtis. And I apologize to Doc if it seemed I was mocking him. Indeed I enjoyed his post about this. It is my experience also that the tragic and the beautiful can be exquisitely intertwined.   PS I saw your post in one of Ann's and retrieved it from Message View. It has not yet appeared in my yahoo inbox.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Yes, I was responding to her Dolphie posts. They shocked the shit out of me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. Regardless of whether Share's initial response had the same sense of absurdity, I suspect Emily was referring to her Dolphie follow-up posts. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'd be astonished if anyone here was capable of anything equivalent to the Dolphie posts. Well, maybe *you* would be. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. I can go along with this, though. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is the US Headed for Fiscal Collapse?
On 04/05/2013 08:02 AM, John wrote: David Stockman thinks so. But his stance on the management of the economy appears too severe and conservative. There are other ways the economy can bump and grind. http://news.yahoo.com/u-headed-fiscal-collapse-083000608.html There is something like $254 trillion out there in bad paper. So there is no way to recover from that. It's the bankster's fault and government for not reigning them in. Just erase the blackboard and start over but the rich don't like that idea. For you and me it won't make a hill o' beans difference.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
I concede that my choice of words in response to your post was poor. Your response does not acknowledge my explanation of why I wrote those words, however. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I am afraid that you are the one who is off the mark here. Nothing I wrote could possibly be interpreted as belittling the human condition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I am talking about the assumption that my post to Share and to FFL at large (in that I posted it publicly) was sent with some intention to pile on. Curtis also alluded to this. This is so completely off-base as an excuse for anything posted, IMHO, and completely negates and disrespects attempts to communicate with each other on all levels. I was responding, as an individual to Share's love notes to Hitler and yes, I found her decision to play up that aspect of the conversation she was having with Robin offensive and supremely disrespectful - no matter the context - but that's my issue and I claim that. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I like her; I was responding to what she posted. I was attempting to send her a little heart-felt feeling (as I don't think she can feel my prayers as legitimate - and, I haven't gotten around to doing them anyway, yet. Ha.) I was also intending to show some respect and give a nod to all the artists of Auschvitz (although I don't know that this song was written in a camp); an example of entertwining tragedy with beauty perhaps, in one sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: What on earth are you talking about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
Again, Share - you are exhibiting an us and them mentality here. You have made zero progress in this assumption of yours - you assume it's true and that's that, isn't it? I summarily reject your second sentence and assume you, in your need to categorize me out of existence with this theory (if past posts from you to me are any indication - remember wts), also include me in this bucket. Have you forgotten that I recently posted an appreciation for your poetry? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 ÃâàYou know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it!ÃâàThere are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving.ÃâàI think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time.ÃâàIf only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond.ÃâàAnd I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development.ÃâàSo I am at a certain level of development with reference to this.ÃâàAs is everyone else.ÃâàNo need to feel sad on my account.ÃâàI am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably.ÃâàReferring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything.ÃâàJust as is everyone else! And from Salyavin:ÃâàAnother explanation is that maybe we just don't know enough about the nature of reality yet? I did say that it seemed you were expressing a grudge against turq.ÃâàI apologize for misjudging you about that and about your interaction
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Old Ashram
From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Old Ashram --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: http://jimandatravels.wordpress.com/about/northern-india/rishikesh/maharishi-the-beatles/ What a cool, fun, fanciful place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another movie for Curtis
Thanks, I'm on it. You are a reliable source. Another good cast. That is my usual way to pick movies I know nothing about. I figure you probably saw, Man on Wire, but here is one you may have missed: Puppet. It is a documentary about an unusual puppet show that transcends our expectations for the artform. America is the only country where puppets means: for kids. This is for adults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Since Curtis enjoyed the comedy Butter on Netflix WI I'll also recommend the comedy Dirty Girl. Set in 1987 Juno Temple plays a promiscuous teenager who pals up with a gay boy played by Jeremy Dozier and the two travel off to find her father. The cast includes Milla Jovovich, William H. Macy, Mary Steenburgen and Dwight Yoakam. Rated OK for Buck if he can get past the language. The film is hilarious. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dirty_Girl/70140516
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
Share, you interact with people here with much grace and generosity. You are always respectful of others, even when provoked. Well done! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 ÃâàYou know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it!ÃâàThere are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving.ÃâàI think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time.ÃâàIf only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond.ÃâàAnd I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development.ÃâàSo I am at a certain level of development with reference to this.ÃâàAs is everyone else.ÃâàNo need to feel sad on my account.ÃâàI am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably.ÃâàReferring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything.ÃâàJust as is everyone else! And from Salyavin:ÃâàAnother explanation is that maybe we just don't know enough about the nature of reality yet? I did say that it seemed you were expressing a grudge against turq.ÃâàI apologize for misjudging you about that and about your interaction with Curtis.ÃâàAnd I apologize to Doc if it seemed I was mocking him.ÃâàIndeed I enjoyed his post about this. It is my experience also that the tragic and the beautiful can be exquisitely intertwined. ÃâàÃâàPSÃâàI saw your post in one of Ann's and retrieved it from
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
Share wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora How dare you impugn my dear Dolphie in this way! Was it his fault that Old Scowly Face intercepted my beautiful valentine before I could deliver it to him at recess? sniff sniff He was never the same after that. And then next year that Van Braun hussy came into our 4th grade. From there it was all down hill for my dear Dolphie. Let the historians among you take note of that! PS to dear Dolphie wherever you are and in case I forget: Happy Birthday on May 1 toothy facial beam I find these paragraphs as hard to read as Emily's video of the Holocaust survivor's song is to watch. The juxtaposition is almost unbearable. Share wrote: There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. You misunderstand. In this context accountability is not a personal choice, it's a circumstance. You can ignore it, but that doesn't make it go away. We are all accountable to each other, willy-nilly. Curtis wrote: From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault. Curtis, you are a filthy, filthy liar. Feste wrote: It's just the usual 'Let's get Share' pile on. Nothing new here. Feste, Emily is right. This is uncalled-for, a cheap way of invalidating a point of view you disagree with. I find the corruption that has been spreading on FFL recently--of both intellect and heart--frightening. That's 50 for me. I'll be back tonight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another movie for Curtis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Since Curtis enjoyed the comedy Butter on Netflix WI I'll also recommend the comedy Dirty Girl. Set in 1987 Juno Temple plays a promiscuous teenager who pals up with a gay boy played by Jeremy Dozier and the two travel off to find her father. The cast includes Milla Jovovich, William H. Macy, Mary Steenburgen and Dwight Yoakam. Rated OK for Buck if he can get past the language. The film is hilarious. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dirty_Girl/70140516 Dear Bhairitu, I am flattered that my more refined and spiritual sensibilities have ascended to standard here. Your movie reviewing sensitivities towards me have been very helpful. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Curtis: I was going to second Steve's post but I guess I would rather address you directly Robin since I am so tight with reality that if she dies tonight on the car ride home CSI would convict me on DNA evidence alone. Robin: I welcome you once again, Curtis. Let us see where this goes. I think you act as if you certainly are tight with 'reality', Curtis--as much easily as I do. We both seemed to be inspired by what is real, I will give you that. I am becoming accustomed to the tension between us. It seems it's going to last. You are bloody consistent, Curtis--and I respect your ferocious commitment to what you have determined must be the case. But you get me wrong every time--except maybe about Descartes. More about that at the end of this. By the way, Curtis, you get me more wrong than I perhaps have got Descartes wrong (although I only was using his idea of there perhaps being a demon behind all that we believe--and turning this into a sense of a devil's advocate: who allows us to consider we might be absolutely wrong in everything we believe is true--I exploited one idea there. Perhaps you can tell me where I misrepresented him). Curtis: From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly. Robin: A blatant lie. This demonstrates how unconscionable you are when you argue, Curtis. You are contradicting the record. Share and I started off very much enjoying each other's company and posts. That lasted for quite some time. Where did you get the idea that my mission with Share has been unfriendly--from the outset. Correct this, Curtis. Even Share will admit you have seriously abused the truth here. But your agenda metaphysically and psychologically is so powerful and compulsive that you would make this claim as if in the face of truth--You can do this better I think than anyone I have known. And I respect this. But no, Curtis, I liked Share right from the beginning, and I have not given up on the notion of our becoming reconciled at the most important level. And I think my posts reflect this. You know: clear conscience, loving heart. Curtis: and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. Robin: You are imposing a Curtis reality upon reality here, Curtis. As a matter of fact, Share has not, in my estimation, done a pretty good job of handling herself--although I think her intelligent, friendly, and sincere even while she is at the mercy of some tremendous need to avoid reality. Curtis, my friend, WhyTF do you so craftily, cunningly avoid making contact with facts which would create dissonance in your moral and intellectual crusade? You are selective and controlling and strategic in all that you write about issues which turn on controversy. This post itself is a prime example of this. Curtis, what you need to do is actually pinpoint what it is psychologically which explains your judgment of me--because my experience of you when you go at me, Curtis, is you have no goddam belief in the veracity of what you are saying to me, and about me. Not that you miss anything. In a very obvious sense your withholding and distorting the truth is done in such a way as to make it clear you are acutely aware of everything that is going on. But your presentation of the argument, it is always cruelly reactive to the truth every sincere human being is seeking. You are like some dark angel of judgment, telling wayward souls on this forum (who have the temerity to disagree with you) they are consigned to Coventry by order of Curtis. As for letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited in my own mind, Curtis, in my own heart, I have only sought to defend myself. And I have always kept before me the contingent possibility that Share might turn out to be more what she seemed to me to be in the beginning. You load up what you assert, Curtis, with a kind of assumed authoritativeness (which I experience to be metaphysical), and this is always--as I apprehend it, dear Curtis--inversely proportional to the extent to which there is an absence of real confidence in the truth of what you are saying. You are always scolding people in some way which would make it seem as if the judgment you are rendering is outside of time and space. People submit to this authority--I have seen it. But it is feigned, Curtis. Now will you please shut up, Curtis? We love each other, remember? Share can look after herself. If my posts to her are unfair, untrue, inappropriate, this will be seen by discriminating readers--they don't have to defend Share if this happens. They can issue their challenge to me in a form of argument. Right? Curtis: It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Dickey, Feste. It certain SEEMS like Larkin--I like this. But JD all the way. I will admit to being wrong if you provide the proof. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Wrong poet. This is by Philip Larkin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Curtis, the last line in your post is the closest that you come to my intentions on posting what I did. Talking in Bed Talking in be ought to be easiest, Lying together there goes back so far, An emblem of two people being honest. Yet more and more time passes silently. Outside, the wind's incomplete unrest Builds and disperses clouds about the sky, And dark towns heap up on the horizon. None of this cares for us. Nothing shows why At this unique distance from isolation It becomes still more difficult to find Words at once true and kind, Or not untrue and not unkind. James Dickey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] innumerable stars
innumerable stars ... ... and the Jyotishi .. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130405.html e.n.j.o.y...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Feste: You were right. Thank you. Apologies. It somehow means less to me that I know it is Larkin now. :-) If you get my drift. I liked being corrected, as in some subtle way I was misaligned with reality when I thought it was a James Dickey poem. Tell Share I am doing my best. And that I am a nice guy. I always was a kind of bully. Anyway, Larkin it is. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Wrong poet. This is by Philip Larkin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Curtis, the last line in your post is the closest that you come to my intentions on posting what I did. Talking in Bed Talking in be ought to be easiest, Lying together there goes back so far, An emblem of two people being honest. Yet more and more time passes silently. Outside, the wind's incomplete unrest Builds and disperses clouds about the sky, And dark towns heap up on the horizon. None of this cares for us. Nothing shows why At this unique distance from isolation It becomes still more difficult to find Words at once true and kind, Or not untrue and not unkind. James Dickey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Talking in Bed, first published in Larkin's The Whitsun Weddings, 1964. In his Collected Poems, 1989, ed. p. 129. Got it in front of me right now. I've always liked this poem. Larkin is my favorite post-World War II poet. Pessimistic of course, in an English kind of way, but some of the poems are in fact very spiritual -- they lift out into a kind of nameless transcendence that is quite wonderful. High Windows, for example (I love this poem! The context of course is the sexual revolution of the 1960s, which came a little late for Larkin, born 1922): When I see a couple of kids And guess he's fucking her and she's Taking pills or wearing a diaphragm, I know this is paradise Everyone old has dreamed of all their lives Bonds and gestures pushed to one side Like an outdated combine harvester, And everyone young going down the long slide To happiness, endlessly. I wonder if Anyone looked at me, forty years back, And thought, That'll be the life; No God any more, or sweating in the dark About hell and that, or having to hide What you think of the priest. He And his lot will all go down the long slide Like free bloody birds. And immediately Rather than words comes the thought of high windows: The sun-comprehending glass, And beyond it, the deep blue air, that shows Nothing, and is nowhere, and is endless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dickey, Feste. It certain SEEMS like Larkin--I like this. But JD all the way. I will admit to being wrong if you provide the proof. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Wrong poet. This is by Philip Larkin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Curtis, the last line in your post is the closest that you come to my intentions on posting what I did. Talking in Bed Talking in be ought to be easiest, Lying together there goes back so far, An emblem of two people being honest. Yet more and more time passes silently. Outside, the wind's incomplete unrest Builds and disperses clouds about the sky, And dark towns heap up on the horizon. None of this cares for us. Nothing shows why At this unique distance from isolation It becomes still more difficult to find Words at once true and kind, Or not untrue and not unkind. James Dickey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Considering a Mac
I'm so fed up with Windoze, especially 8, that I'm considering buying a Mac. What do I potentially lose (possibility to use some programs??) if I do buy one??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
thank you for your support, feste and you too, Curtis and Steve. And I get that you guys are not taking sides. Emily, indeed I remember that you complimented my poetry and thank you for that. However I must point out to Judy and you that there was only ONE Dolphie followup post. I know yahoo is being wonky these days but I've checked my Sent folder several times and unless I'm totally addled by all this, which is quite possible, I count one original Dolphie post and one followup. Both were written in what I thought was an transparently joking way. Obviously YMMV and does. And yes I misspoke when I did not qualify better and say that even those who USUALLY think negatively of me and or what I write, do not always do so. BTW, it was Robin's choice to play up the Hitler angle which he also introduced. Emily, that was a clever swipe at me and my Dome cleaning tales, your quip to feste about cleaning his Dome. Just fyi, feste told us some time ago that due to his knees, he does not go to the Dome. So I'm pretty dang sure he's not gonna go there to hoist foam, etc. Anyhoo, Emily, just in case you were being neither Robin Ironic nor Defensive Ironic, I assure you that I have not written you off nor categorized you out of existence nor put you in any bucket. That post in which you used these phrases, that post was written to... JUDY. And finally please forgive me for, as you said, shocking the s**t out of you. And please also forgive me for saying: but not quite all of it. FWIW I do believe that this whole thing happened because Robin and I misinterpreted his original * everything * differently. When he suggested that a valentine would have made everything all right, he, no doubt having a more cosmic view than me, meant Hitler's Holocaust. Whereas I, having a more psychological view, meant Hitler's damaged psyche and monstrous actions. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 Share, you interact with people here with much grace and generosity. You are always respectful of others, even when provoked. Well done! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  You know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Considering a Mac
On 04/05/2013 11:15 AM, card wrote: I'm so fed up with Windoze, especially 8, that I'm considering buying a Mac. What do I potentially lose (possibility to use some programs??) if I do buy one?? About $1000 for a special logo on a PC. Have you ever tried Linux? Try one of the live CD/DVDs or make a persistent pendrive version. Of course it will run much faster and boot in a blink on a HD compared to Windoze.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, that was a clever swipe at me and my Dome cleaning tales, your quip to feste about cleaning his Dome. Just fyi, feste told us some time ago that due to his knees, he does not go to the Dome. So I'm pretty dang sure he's not gonna go there to hoist foam, etc. omg, I hope I didn't make it sound like I am an old crock. Far from it, actually, although I do have to be a little protective of an old knee injury that makes it inadvisable me to sit for too long cross-legged or go leaping about on foam like a two-year-old.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another movie for Curtis
I avoided Man on Wire because I'm acrophobic. Any movie dealing with heights even though most all action movies use green screen for it make me dizzy. Funny thing is looking out an airplane window doesn't do that to me. I may check out Puppet though. Also for those that don't have Syfy but have NF WI it looks like Continuum may be available on the 19th. Dirty Girl popped up last night when looking through the new releases section. Must be vacation week as new arrivals and releases have been filtering in all week on Netflix. Juno Temple is also in Killer Joe which is definitely not for Buck but also not yet WI. I rented it from Redbox. Guess I'm in a war mood because I also rented the Red Dawn remake on Bluray from Redbox for tonight. It'll be interesting to see how it stands up to the original and of course the Chinese made them change the enemy to North Korea in the remake. Very timely with the media brouhaha over North Korea at the moment. On 04/05/2013 09:31 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks, I'm on it. You are a reliable source. Another good cast. That is my usual way to pick movies I know nothing about. I figure you probably saw, Man on Wire, but here is one you may have missed: Puppet. It is a documentary about an unusual puppet show that transcends our expectations for the artform. America is the only country where puppets means: for kids. This is for adults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Since Curtis enjoyed the comedy Butter on Netflix WI I'll also recommend the comedy Dirty Girl. Set in 1987 Juno Temple plays a promiscuous teenager who pals up with a gay boy played by Jeremy Dozier and the two travel off to find her father. The cast includes Milla Jovovich, William H. Macy, Mary Steenburgen and Dwight Yoakam. Rated OK for Buck if he can get past the language. The film is hilarious. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dirty_Girl/70140516
[FairfieldLife] Re: Considering a Mac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: I'm so fed up with Windoze, especially 8, that I'm considering buying a Mac. What do I potentially lose (possibility to use some programs??) if I do buy one?? Buying a new laptop with the WIN8 installed was a nightmare, couldn't find even the simples thingy at the computer anymore. They seem to think they are so smart they could re-invent the wheel by putting it on the roof. Gave it back and ordered one with WIN7. Isn't Windows the company that teach their employees free woo-woo Buddhist meditation ? That would explain alot...
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I was going to second Steve's post but I guess I would rather address you directly Robin since I am so tight with reality that if she dies tonight on the car ride home CSI would convict me on DNA evidence alone. From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault. You would make Share's post into some devastating counterpunch. You have used similar metaphors of competition in our conversations and I am seeing a pattern. The issue is that you seem to believe, perhaps sincerely, that you have a better insight into some posters here than they do of themselves. And when they reject this assumption, (as any adult would), you act as if you are in a fight to make them see themselves through your unflattering lens. Why would we? You may be thinking that your insight is more valuable than it is. And having been the focus of your unasked for improvement sessions myself, I have to say that you aren't that perceptive Robin. And perhaps you are in person, so you have developed an unnaturally high self-regard about this ability, but it isn't cutting it here. You have been running a formula and it is increasingly obvious. So that is my opinion and I don't need to word flood you about it or repeat it a million times. I've made my point and as a fellow adult I suspect you will just blow it all off as me being me. Me, I'm gonna stick with my three-word description of the guy, which I think explains it all, and in the least possible number of words: Narcissistic Personality Disorder, in spades. OK, that was five words. :-) People here must be really, Really, REALLY masochistic to put up with this kinda abuse by continuing to read and respond to this asshole's crap. My suggestion is that people would have to shower less if they just ignored him like the pisshole in otherwise new and pristine snow he is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Considering a Mac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/05/2013 11:15 AM, card wrote: I'm so fed up with Windoze, especially 8, that I'm considering buying a Mac. What do I potentially lose (possibility to use some programs??) if I do buy one?? About $1000 for a special logo on a PC. Have you ever tried Linux? Try one of the live CD/DVDs or make a persistent pendrive version. Of course it will run much faster and boot in a blink on a HD compared to Windoze. Alternative POV: About $1000 for the power of *nix in a form that's actually usable by average joe, non-neckbeards.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Considering a Mac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: I'm so fed up with Windoze, especially 8, that I'm considering buying a Mac. What do I potentially lose (possibility to use some programs??) if I do buy one?? I was looking at a Macbook Pro but decided to go with a PC with the same spec but at half the price. Now a mate of mine has forked out for the Mac I wish I had too. If you can justify the expense it's all just so much nicer in every way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Considering a Mac
On 04/05/2013 12:29 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/05/2013 11:15 AM, card wrote: I'm so fed up with Windoze, especially 8, that I'm considering buying a Mac. What do I potentially lose (possibility to use some programs??) if I do buy one?? About $1000 for a special logo on a PC. Have you ever tried Linux? Try one of the live CD/DVDs or make a persistent pendrive version. Of course it will run much faster and boot in a blink on a HD compared to Windoze. Alternative POV: About $1000 for the power of *nix in a form that's actually usable by average joe, non-neckbeards. Ya sayin' our geeky card is an average Joe? :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
Would seem that the ultra- strict preservationist Bevan side of the movement reversed Hagelin's more progressive re-write of the guidelines from a little while ago that allowed people more generally to see saints. Meanwhile all kinds of movement people, rajas, purusha, see saints in dissonance with the guidelines. Bottom line of the Bevan people is that People should surrender, either cease and desist from seeing saints or get out now. The course office [more strictly under MUM/Bevan admin] evidently continues to work at this line of restriction. Seems very unfortunate for the Dome numbers and people coming back to Fairfield. It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. John Douglas comes to Fairfield in just a few days. http://www.spirit-repair.com/shop/workshops Trouble? For the community? Well yes, things evidently went backwards recently with the movement guidelines. Talked to someone just recently, an old movement campaigner who was denied employment up there because would not sign a paper pledging to never see saints again. This is a highly competent long time movement person in the community that they had sought out for employment in to a position. After the discussion the person turned around and called the course office people to check the guidelines and it was confirmed the guidelines are back again to old governors not seeing saints to be involved with the movement. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures, initiations, and whatever I have to offer all these years. I am your biggest fan. I started TM on November 13th, 1971 and got the sidhis in `80 or `81 at MUM. I practiced my program by myself over the decades until 5 years ago, when I went to MUM to fly in the dome for a 7-week visit. I have gone ever 2 years during the summer thereafter. I have never taken one dime of grant money. I mention specific names and impressions in this letter, not to target
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Would seem that the ultra- strict preservationist Bevan side of the movement reversed Hagelin's more progressive re-write of the guidelines from a little while ago that allowed people more generally to see saints. With all due respect, Buck, anyone who can consider John Hagelin progressive, in *any* universe, would probably consider KKK leaders as equally progressive if they allowed their members to wear pink or blue sheets to the lynchings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
I don't know how you can blame the movement for exhibiting much of the same judgmentalism about how people live their lives as you often do here. Not so fun when it is directed toward you is it? You are tipping at windmills here. The movement has a triumphalist attitude toward its superior knowledge about what is better for other people. And just like you accusing people who have moved on from the movement fantasies as being quitters, the movement will demonized anyone who does not tow the party, we are the bestest of the bestest, self-aggrandizing line. I hope they don't kick you out of the dome again because I don't think I can go another round of all the whining about the movement being the movement. It was not built for adults. Time to move out of the house and let dead Daddy and fantasy mommy (I'm looking at you Laxmi), have some peace for a change. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Would seem that the ultra- strict preservationist Bevan side of the movement reversed Hagelin's more progressive re-write of the guidelines from a little while ago that allowed people more generally to see saints. Meanwhile all kinds of movement people, rajas, purusha, see saints in dissonance with the guidelines. Bottom line of the Bevan people is that People should surrender, either cease and desist from seeing saints or get out now. The course office [more strictly under MUM/Bevan admin] evidently continues to work at this line of restriction. Seems very unfortunate for the Dome numbers and people coming back to Fairfield. It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. John Douglas comes to Fairfield in just a few days. http://www.spirit-repair.com/shop/workshops Trouble? For the community? Well yes, things evidently went backwards recently with the movement guidelines. Talked to someone just recently, an old movement campaigner who was denied employment up there because would not sign a paper pledging to never see saints again. This is a highly competent long time movement person in the community that they had sought out for employment in to a position. After the discussion the person turned around and called the course office people to check the guidelines and it was confirmed the guidelines are back again to old governors not seeing saints to be involved with the movement. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations
[FairfieldLife] Roger Ebert on contributing joy
Share to Robin: Even though you don't want any apology, I do apologize for my ex cult leader swipe at you. Share to Robin again: Clear conscience, loving heart. If only we could agree on what any of those 4 words mean, grin Share to Robin thricely: Surely you oh Cosmic Scolder know it was kind of funny when you accused Curtis of scolding?! Curtis to Robin: I wish we could condense this, but then I guess that wouldn't be rapping with Robin. Share to Curtis: This touched my heart very sweetly. Thank you. Share to Curtis again: Maybe it's that birthday of ours, grinning playfully Share to Judy: When you say we're all willy nilly accountable to each other, does that also include your being accountable to turq? I received this from DailyGood.org today. It seemed appropriate for more than one reason: To make others less happy is a crime. To make ourselves unhappy is where all crime starts. We must try to contribute joy to the world. That is true no matter what our problems, our health, our circumstances. We must try. I didn't always know this and am happy I lived long enough to find it out. - Roger Ebert -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
typical Movement shenanigans that came straight from Marshy's energy - do as I say but not as I do From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 3:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement Would seem that the ultra- strict preservationist Bevan side of the movement reversed Hagelin's more progressive re-write of the guidelines from a little while ago that allowed people more generally to see saints. Meanwhile all kinds of movement people, rajas, purusha, see saints in dissonance with the guidelines. Bottom line of the Bevan people is that People should surrender, either cease and desist from seeing saints or get out now. The course office [more strictly under MUM/Bevan admin] evidently continues to work at this line of restriction. Seems very unfortunate for the Dome numbers and people coming back to Fairfield. It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. John Douglas comes to Fairfield in just a few days. http://www.spirit-repair.com/shop/workshops Trouble? For the community? Well yes, things evidently went backwards recently with the movement guidelines. Talked to someone just recently, an old movement campaigner who was denied employment up there because would not sign a paper pledging to never see saints again. This is a highly competent long time movement person in the community that they had sought out for employment in to a position. After the discussion the person turned around and called the course office people to check the guidelines and it was confirmed the guidelines are back again to old governors not seeing saints to be involved with the movement. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures, initiations, and whatever I have to offer all these years. I am your biggest fan. I started TM on November 13th, 1971 and got the sidhis in `80 or `81 at MUM. I practiced my program by myself over the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another movie for Curtis
On 04/05/2013 09:35 AM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Since Curtis enjoyed the comedy Butter on Netflix WI I'll also recommend the comedy Dirty Girl. Set in 1987 Juno Temple plays a promiscuous teenager who pals up with a gay boy played by Jeremy Dozier and the two travel off to find her father. The cast includes Milla Jovovich, William H. Macy, Mary Steenburgen and Dwight Yoakam. Rated OK for Buck if he can get past the language. The film is hilarious. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dirty_Girl/70140516 Dear Bhairitu, I am flattered that my more refined and spiritual sensibilities have ascended to standard here. Your movie reviewing sensitivities towards me have been very helpful. -Buck I was amused by your story of traveling and what you found on hotel TVs. A foreigner judging American TV would think: 1) Americans have sex all the time even though they don't show it. 2) Life's not only cheap in the Orient but in America as well. I was watching BBC America's Spies of Warsaw which is set before WWII as Poles try to figure out what the Nazis are up to. They blurred some butt scenes even though tame channels like Syfy don't and I even think some network TV shows won't bother with that if the show is on after 10 PM. But what was hilarious was blurring a word in the subtitle of a German soldier's conversation. I recall having some friends over once and I went out to get something in my bedroom and when I come back into the living room I had one of my friends frantically trying to figure out my remote because there was a violent scene on a channel they had been watching. My eyes got a good exercise rolling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
What was the 'ol phrase M used to say, you don't solve a problem on the level of a problem, you solve it on the level of the solution? I think you interpret Share's method of approaching situations from a different angle than you are used to, as avoiding the problem, or being unwilling to address something head on. I think she finds a different opening to apply her leverage, and in my mind she does so effectively, and usually with a good bit of humor, although sometimes it is dry. (which I like even more) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: It is indeed Perfect Response. And so is this. But the verdict is now in. Share's response is quite obviously a form of defensive irony to avoid having to reveal whether her initial suggestion of the Holocaust remedy was meant ironically or not. It was obviously a straight answer. Why don't you ask her--offline: Am I to assume that this last response to Robin means unequivocally that you made that Hitler Valentine comment in jest? No, Share simply and reflexively (and I must presume involuntarily) found that her modus operandi could come up with only one idea: I WILL JUST NOT DEAL WITH THIS. And she did not. Steve, Yes, you are a great guy, but your NEED to celebrate what Share just did, it is your meta-blind spot. But you dwell in a kind of grace of not-knowingness (regarding matters like this), so I say: This is what they call in the trade A Perfect Response. Sure, let's do that. I will not try to remove the bullet in your foot--as I see there are quite a few lodged there--but since you don't feel any pain, no problem. Great post, Steve. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the intention to do your best, Share. It was pretty good, all things considered. But the motive for Hitler's valentine: on that hangs a fearful judgment!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
that's neat. just by coincidence, my daughter and a friend of hers, are going to interview two holocaust survivors, a husband and wife next Sunday at 1:30. They just left their house to go to a nursing home. The wife of one of my employees did housekeeping chores for them. When he said he didn't believe they had ever been interviewed, I thought it would be an important thing to do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Your subjective delight overwhelms any chance of the impartiality of truth getting to have any say in this, Steve. And therefore, all we get is your emotion. If you were really making contact with what was true, the truth would do the work for you that, in the absence of this objectifying element, you must do all on your own. If your initial experience of reading Share's response to my Hitler's Valentine post originated in reality, this would be present in your post. The desperate chivalry and eruption of unfortunate relief is all that came through, Steve. If there was any validity in your judgment of Share's post, it would make itself known independent of your own feelings. And it did not. See what a sore loser I am? You would make Share's post into some devastating counterpunch. Share actually just went into her corner and handed out flowers. Did you actually smell those flowers, Steve? Do you know that my wife and daughter bought me a hyacinth the other day, and I bring it with me into whichever room I may be in. I just love it. And your post ignored how much I wanted her to best me. (Read my post again, Steve; the first Hitler's Valentine.) Robin, no one ever bests you. You appear so inviting a person to discourse with, but it never works out that way. I guess it's the template that you use for these discussions. It never seems to vary much and inevitably whoever you are discoursing with is found to be lacking in many ways. Usually they are guilty of being unwilling to face whatever reality is trying to tell them. Maybe that is working for you. I think there are some here who might say you are just too brilliant for the rest of us. But as the saying goes, beliefs are one thing, but it's how we act and interact with others that counts. You must remember, Steve: The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream. Haagen Dazs Coffee is high on my list. Fortunately my wife hasn't bought any recently, and I am not about to ask her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: This is what they call in the trade. A Perfect Response!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Dolphie, I love you. Please be my valentine forever. If you build me a house I will happily live in it with you and our little Dolphies and Dolphinas. And every time you build another building you will bring me yellow roses and white chocolate and we will drink dark red wine with our vegetarian dinner. We will send the children off to bed early and then we will giggle a lot on the front sofa just like my Mommy and Daddy do when he has sold another VW. Ooops, here comes teacher Old Scowly Face. I'll give this to you at recess. Your friend, Theodora  From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] HITLER'S VALENTINE  Robin:I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. Share: Perhaps if someone had sent Hitler a valentine, he would have become a happy architect. Robin: If you said this ironically then you have essentially defied my analysis of you--or at least in coming up with this response (assuming, again, that it is ironic) you have proven to me you can resist your primary tendency (sentimentality = a failure of real feeling). If, however--you must tell me which it is, dear Share,--you meant this non-ironically, then you have demonstrated just how true my essential idea of you is, dear Share. So, either way I win. Because if you meant it in a deliberately ironic way, then you have jumped out of your mould and have said something easily as good as anything I could have said. And if you meant it sincerely (really believing in the truth of what you say here; namely, that the course of history could have been changed by one valentine) then you have rendered my last three posts to you superfluous. I won't ask you to clarify whether you were being ironic or not, Share; I will just pray that if you were serious you will see that what you have said means you have knocked yourself out with one roundhouse to the brain. And I wonder whether you will ever get up off the canvas. That said, I have to contemplate that the joke is on me; and in that case I declare you the victor here. It is that good, your self-mockery--and in a way you are making fun of me brilliantly. Roger I believe had less of a problem in facing what is there (as he had to today) than did Adolph--but then, if all it would have taken was one valentine, then perhaps God thought Hitler was just one valentine short of going to heaven. Thank you for writing with the
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Robin or Good Irony vs Defensive Irony
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share to Robin: I can hardly keep up. Now we have Defensive Irony?! As opposed to Robin Irony which I assume is the Good Irony. BTW I made no suggestion about a Holocaust remedy. You of course know this. Perhaps you had written the word Holocaust in invisible ink? In the spirit of your approved Descartes's little technique, I made a light hearted response about Hitler and valentines. But you know this too. OTOH, a la Descartes, perhaps a valentine to Hitler would have healed him. Perhaps not. And apologies if I'm being too sentimental according to RWC. Anyway, think of the movie Citizen Kane for example. Rosebud, he said on his deathbed. Who knows what event can turn someone into a monster? Or prevent him from becoming one? Perhaps only ex cult leaders? I totally understand your ignoring the rest of my reply, instead grabbing onto this part and running with it. And lookie, you've got your little gang to run with it as well. Well at least Emily is praying for me! Holds her own while being the target of unfriendly attacks? Nay, she excels under these circumstances. Nicely done Share! Robin to Steve: It is indeed Perfect Response. And so is this. But the verdict is now in. Share's response is quite obviously a form of defensive irony to avoid having to reveal whether her initial suggestion of the Holocaust remedy was meant ironically or not. It was obviously a straight answer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I really enjoyed it too Robin. But damn it takes some serious time. I wish we could condense this, but then I guess that wouldn't be rapping with Robin. Now this has potential. Welcome everyone to another Friday night of Rapping with Robin Tonight's discussion, a perennial favorite, FPO. Yea, you know what I'm talkin about, First Person Ontology And if there's time, Reality, Reality, Where Art Thou Reality And now this little poem just sent in by a listener Reality, Reality, Where Art Thou? Are you in caves so deep? Where may I find you, reality my friend? Aligned with you I want to be. For you to verify, and codify my experience here. But I fear, I fall short. Reality, Reality, where art thou Thank you listener. I might recommend a creative writing class Time for a commercial break. Don't go away. We'll be back with some more, Rapping with Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Share, you interact with people here with much grace and generosity. You are always respectful of others, even when provoked. Well done! That is, if you consider flagrant avoidance of the substance of what she's responding to respectful. (And even without taking said avoidance into account, it's an absurd stretch to call what she wrote that you quote respectful or gracious or generous. But you knew that.) It does not go unnoticed, feste, that you prefer cheap drive-by cheerleading and putdowns to addressing the substance of the controversies here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 ÃâàYou know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it!ÃâàThere are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving.ÃâàI think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time.ÃâàIf only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond.ÃâàAnd I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development.ÃâàSo I am at a certain level of development with reference to this.ÃâàAs is everyone else.ÃâàNo need to feel sad on my account.ÃâàI am simply at a less developed stage than you are probably.ÃâàReferring back to Emily's quote from Descartes we could say that I am going as far as possible in doubting everything.ÃâàJust as is everyone else! And from Salyavin:ÃâàAnother
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
Not one of Share's statements in this post is made with integrity. One way or another, they're all fraudulent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: thank you for your support, feste and you too, Curtis and Steve. And I get that you guys are not taking sides. Of course they're taking sides. Emily, indeed I remember that you complimented my poetry and thank you for that. However I must point out to Judy and you that there was only ONE Dolphie followup post. I know yahoo is being wonky these days but I've checked my Sent folder several times and unless I'm totally addled by all this, which is quite possible, I count one original Dolphie post and one followup. Right. Two Dolphie follow-up posts to your Hitler Valentine response to Robin. But you knew that. Both were written in what I thought was an transparently joking way. Obviously YMMV and does. No, our mileage does not vary. That they were written in an oh-so-cutsie-poo transparently joking way WAS THE PROBLEM, Share. But you knew that. snip BTW, it was Robin's choice to play up the Hitler angle which he also introduced. Did anybody claim otherwise? He had excellent reason to do so, and it inspired your two Dolphie follow-up posts, which have told us more about you than anything you've written here so far, handily confirming what Robin has perceived about you. Anyhoo, Emily, just in case you were being neither Robin Ironic nor Defensive Ironic, I assure you that I have not written you off nor categorized you out of existence nor put you in any bucket. That post in which you used these phrases, that post was written to... JUDY. However, the phrases in question defined an entire *category* of people on FFL, not just Judy (as you know). Emily had every reason to assume she was included given your past interactions. FWIW I do believe that this whole thing happened because Robin and I misinterpreted his original * everything * differently. No, this whole thing happened because (as you know) you stupidly disapproved of his posts to Curtis and Barry and stupidly (and disingenuously) tried to draw me into an argument about them. When he suggested that a valentine would have made everything all right, he, no doubt having a more cosmic view than me, meant Hitler's Holocaust. Whereas I, having a more psychological view, meant Hitler's damaged psyche and monstrous actions. No cosmic view required, just the ability to read English. Here's what he wrote: I think you would like to send Hitler a Valentine's Card and make everything all right again. He obviously wasn't talking about going back in time to send the card *before* everything went wrong. He was suggesting you'd send it hoping to make everything all right that had already gone wrong--i.e., the Holocaust. But you knew that too. Phew. It's getting hard to breathe in here; the smell is nauseating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roger Ebert on contributing joy
Nice post Share. All of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share to Robin: Even though you don't want any apology, I do apologize for my ex cult leader swipe at you. Share to Robin again: Clear conscience, loving heart. If only we could agree on what any of those 4 words mean, grin Share to Robin thricely: Surely you oh Cosmic Scolder know it was kind of funny when you accused Curtis of scolding?! Curtis to Robin: I wish we could condense this, but then I guess that wouldn't be rapping with Robin. Share to Curtis: This touched my heart very sweetly. Thank you. Share to Curtis again: Maybe it's that birthday of ours, grinning playfully Share to Judy: When you say we're all willy nilly accountable to each other, does that also include your being accountable to turq? I received this from DailyGood.org today. It seemed appropriate for more than one reason: To make others less happy is a crime. To make ourselves unhappy is where all crime starts. We must try to contribute joy to the world. That is true no matter what our problems, our health, our circumstances. We must try. I didn't always know this and am happy I lived long enough to find it out. - Roger Ebert -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roger Ebert on contributing joy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share to Robin: Even though you don't want any apology, I do apologize for my ex cult leader swipe at you. You have a *lot* more to apologize to him for than that. Share to Robin again: Clear conscience, loving heart. If only we could agree on what any of those 4 words mean, grin One thing those words do not mean is a phony grin. Share to Robin thricely: Surely you oh Cosmic Scolder know it was kind of funny when you accused Curtis of scolding?! Here's what Robin wrote to Curtis: You load up what you assert, Curtis, with a kind of assumed authoritativeness (which I experience to be metaphysical), and this is always--as I apprehend it, dear Curtis--inversely proportional to the extent to which there is an absence of real confidence in the truth of what you are saying. You are always scolding people in some way which would make it seem as if the judgment you are rendering is outside of time and space. People submit to this authority--I have seen it. But it is feigned, Curtis. His point, of course, was not *that* Curtis scolds people-- we all do it from time to time--but *how* Curtis scolds people. When Robin does it, including in that very paragraph, he doesn't do it the way Curtis does. As I apprehend it makes it clear that Robin's judgment is personal, as opposed to making it seem outside of time and space. This is just basic English comprehension. Curtis knew what Robin meant when he read it, so his claim that it involved inadvertent irony was knowingly false. And you've deliberately taken it out of context to help Curtis with his deception. Quite a team, the two of you. Curtis to Robin: I wish we could condense this, but then I guess that wouldn't be rapping with Robin. Share to Curtis: This touched my heart very sweetly. Thank you. Share to Curtis again: Maybe it's that birthday of ours, grinning playfully Dear heaven, I'm glad I'm not diabetic. Share to Judy: When you say we're all willy nilly accountable to each other, does that also include your being accountable to turq? (You mean Barry?) Which words in We are all willy nilly accountable to each other do you not understand? I received this from DailyGood.org today. It seemed appropriate for more than one reason: To make others less happy is a crime. To make ourselves unhappy is where all crime starts. We must try to contribute joy to the world. That is true no matter what our problems, our health, our circumstances. We must try. I didn't always know this and am happy I lived long enough to find it out. - Roger Ebert - Ebert contributed joy to the world for the sake of others, not for the sake of making himself look good. I hope you live long enough to find that out. Hypocrisy is one of the very worst crimes against other people, IMHO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: (snip) Robin, no one ever bests you. You appear so inviting a person to discourse with, but it never works out that way. I guess it's the template that you use for these discussions. It never seems to vary much and inevitably whoever you are discoursing with is found to be lacking in many ways. Usually they are guilty of being unwilling to face whatever reality is trying to tell them. Ask Emily whether that's true, Steve. Or Ann. Or raunchy. Or me, for that matter. We have all discoursed with Robin without having been found lacking or unwilling to face reality. Feste (before he turned against Robin) and PaliGap and Bob Price have all had very cordial discourses with Robin. Others as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Share, you interact with people here with much grace and generosity. You are always respectful of others, even when provoked. Well done! That is, if you consider flagrant avoidance of the substance of what she's responding to respectful. (And even without taking said avoidance into account, it's an absurd stretch to call what she wrote that you quote respectful or gracious or generous. But you knew that.) It does not go unnoticed, feste, that you prefer cheap drive-by cheerleading and putdowns to addressing the substance of the controversies here. You may well be right on that, authfriend. I don't have time to write much more. I am a full-time worker. I often wonder how you guys find the time to do so much in-depth posting. Are you all wealthy retirees? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: There are many people on FFL to whom I feel accountable. They are not however the people who choose to interpret whatever I write in a negative way. As wonderful as those people may be or not be, they have blind spots with regards to me. Just to be clear, I include you in this latter category. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Duh! Well since the majority of they have known me for less than a year and only online, hopefully they will understand that I trust more the opinions of family, friends, TMers and acquaintances who have known me in person for 65 years or slightly less in the case of family members; 38 years or slightly less in the case of friends, acquaintances and TMers. Oh, by all means trust those who have known you in person for many years with regard to how you behave in person. Then ask yourself why those with whom you have interacted most intensely and extensively on FFL perceive your behavior here quite differently. You see, unfortunately one can't disavow how one's online persona appears to others online by claiming that one's offline persona is somehow much different. One must own both personas and be accountable for each one to the people who are familiar with it. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I'm quite sure that my definition of sentimentality is different from Robin's. In almost 65 years of living, no one has ever accused me of being sentimental, Well, now they have. nor do I think of myself that way. In this post I begin by addressing Robin's assertions in the 6th paragraph of his post wherein he talks about contact with life and alleged reality denial. As for metaphysical discomfort, I did not experience such in reading Robin's post. I told you what it seemed like to me. Now you get to find out what it seemed like to Robin. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin 2 ÃâàYou know, Share, all this is very lovely, but it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with what Robin was saying. In fact, it appears to me to be an *example* of the very behavior he describes: using sentimentality as a way to insulate yourself from the metaphysical discomfort his post produced in you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, it is my experience that life reality is always making contact with us; that any filtering of that contact is also done by life reality though it may seem like the individual is doing it!ÃâàThere are stories of people going through trauma and their later reports suggest that the system at least partially shut down all by itself for the sake of avoiding overwhelm and surviving.ÃâàI think we are all doing this to some degree or another all the time.ÃâàIf only to avoid being overwhelmed by all the sensory data being presented to us at every nanosecond.ÃâàAnd I think the decrease of the need for filtering is one way to describe human development.ÃâàSo I am at a certain level of development
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) Robin, no one ever bests you. You appear so inviting a person to discourse with, but it never works out that way. I guess it's the template that you use for these discussions. It never seems to vary much and inevitably whoever you are discoursing with is found to be lacking in many ways. Usually they are guilty of being unwilling to face whatever reality is trying to tell them. Ask Emily whether that's true, Steve. Or Ann. Or raunchy. Or me, for that matter. We have all discoursed with Robin without having been found lacking or unwilling to face reality. Feste (before he turned against Robin) and PaliGap and Bob Price have all had very cordial discourses with Robin. Others as well. I have since altered that stance, authfriend, as Robin knows. I like RWC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: What was the 'ol phrase M used to say, you don't solve a problem on the level of a problem, you solve it on the level of the solution? I think you interpret Share's method of approaching situations from a different angle than you are used to, as avoiding the problem, or being unwilling to address something head on. I think she finds a different opening to apply her leverage Yes, she does that. But interestingly enough, it virtually always *does* enable her to avoid honestly addressing what she's responding to. It's a skill she's obviously honed over quite some time, and it works very well indeed on people like you who can't see what's behind it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: What on earth are you talking about? Stepping in here after a long and busy work day but I think she was making a pun about your head (your dome). Quite funny actually. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) Robin, no one ever bests you. You appear so inviting a person to discourse with, but it never works out that way. I guess it's the template that you use for these discussions. It never seems to vary much and inevitably whoever you are discoursing with is found to be lacking in many ways. Usually they are guilty of being unwilling to face whatever reality is trying to tell them. Ask Emily whether that's true, Steve. Or Ann. Or raunchy. Or me, for that matter. We have all discoursed with Robin without having been found lacking or unwilling to face reality. Feste (before he turned against Robin) and PaliGap and Bob Price have all had very cordial discourses with Robin. Others as well. Okay, I am sure that is true. I guess within a certain range it works out. But out of a certain range a different Robin emerges. And yes, I am referring to his discussions with Curtis, or Share, or me on a few occassions me. And I am sure there are others. I believe your position will be that he is pointing out deficiencies in their FBO, but I am not on board with that evaluation. And for all I know you and others may be correct in that evaluation. I just don't see it that way. And then, of course there is reality. The reality of his life, and your life, and anyone's life. How is that going? How is one perceived by others? Let's take that into consideration as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: What was the 'ol phrase M used to say, you don't solve a problem on the level of a problem, you solve it on the level of the solution? I think you interpret Share's method of approaching situations from a different angle than you are used to, as avoiding the problem, or being unwilling to address something head on. I think she finds a different opening to apply her leverage Yes, she does that. But interestingly enough, it virtually always *does* enable her to avoid honestly addressing what she's responding to. It's a skill she's obviously honed over quite some time, and it works very well indeed on people like you who can't see what's behind it. There's always reality Judy. That may be the most important metric. Perhaps next to death, (as a nod to Robin). If a person is happy, if they have fulfilling relationships, if they are valued.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
Good one Ann. I missed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: What on earth are you talking about? Stepping in here after a long and busy work day but I think she was making a pun about your head (your dome). Quite funny actually. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
I knew I could rely on you for a tart response. But the comment of Emily's that I was referring to was not that one but the one before it -- as you would know if you had read the traffic. (Too long a work day, obviously, authfriend.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: What on earth are you talking about? Stepping in here after a long and busy work day but I think she was making a pun about your head (your dome). Quite funny actually. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latcho Drom - Auschwitz Song - Gypsy Melody - To Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: What on earth are you talking about? Stepping in here after a long and busy work day but I think she was making a pun about your head (your dome). Quite funny actually. Wolf, I was referring to the comment about belittling the human condition, not the dome comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Feste - you are way off the mark here. Stop belittling the human condition. It is time for you to clean out your dome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's just the usual Let's get Share pile on. Nothing new here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I get it that you don't like Share Emily, but this energetically aligning to Hitler charge seems unfair. It was Robin who brought him into the conversation and she just batted that ball back in the same sense of absurdity that it was thrown. It is a setup to now lay the whole heaviness of the holocaust on her as if she doesn't have the same grasp any of us have who didn't live through it, but have read about it. I'll be she also thinks it was a horrible bad thing just as you do, and posting more horrors wont make her more sensitive to the issues than she already is. And why didn't Robin get the sad gypsy song treatment when he brought Hitler up in a flip way? That said the song is beautiful and moving and the video is amazing so I guess in the end art triumphs over all intentions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: This song is quite stirring from about 1:12 - in that the video allows us to *see* the woman singing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsNbhz-XcI
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I was going to second Steve's post but I guess I would rather address you directly Robin since I am so tight with reality that if she dies tonight on the car ride home CSI would convict me on DNA evidence alone. From the outset your mission with Share has been unfriendly and she has done a pretty good job of handling herself considering that you are just letting her have it with both barrels about herself, uninvited. It reminds me of our conversations which followed the same arc, although I at lest got some flowers and chocolates at the door before the assault. You would make Share's post into some devastating counterpunch. You have used similar metaphors of competition in our conversations and I am seeing a pattern. The issue is that you seem to believe, perhaps sincerely, that you have a better insight into some posters here than they do of themselves. And when they reject this assumption, (as any adult would), you act as if you are in a fight to make them see themselves through your unflattering lens. Why would we? You may be thinking that your insight is more valuable than it is. And having been the focus of your unasked for improvement sessions myself, I have to say that you aren't that perceptive Robin. And perhaps you are in person, so you have developed an unnaturally high self-regard about this ability, but it isn't cutting it here. You have been running a formula and it is increasingly obvious. So that is my opinion and I don't need to word flood you about it or repeat it a million times. I've made my point and as a fellow adult I suspect you will just blow it all off as me being me. Me, I'm gonna stick with my three-word description of the guy, which I think explains it all, and in the least possible number of words: Narcissistic Personality Disorder, in spades. OK, that was five words. :-) People here must be really, Really, REALLY masochistic to put up with this kinda abuse by continuing to read and respond to this asshole's crap. My suggestion is that people would have to shower less if they just ignored him like the pisshole in otherwise new and pristine snow he is. A few things I will give you Barry: You are very, very consistent Your words bludgeon, they never, ever caress Whatever it is you manage to do when you write you repel as opposed to draw people You reduce things to the lowest common denominator You would have made a terrible surgeon You would have never made a ballet dance Your repertoire needs an overhaul
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: What was the 'ol phrase M used to say, you don't solve a problem on the level of a problem, you solve it on the level of the solution? I think you interpret Share's method of approaching situations from a different angle than you are used to, as avoiding the problem, or being unwilling to address something head on. I think she finds a different opening to apply her leverage Yes, she does that. But interestingly enough, it virtually always *does* enable her to avoid honestly addressing what she's responding to. It's a skill she's obviously honed over quite some time, and it works very well indeed on people like you who can't see what's behind it. There's always reality Judy. That may be the most important metric. Perhaps next to death, (as a nod to Robin). If a person is happy, if they have fulfilling relationships, if they are valued. But only if the person has integrity. Without integrity, it's all just a charade.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HITLER'S VALENTINE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: (snip) Robin, no one ever bests you. You appear so inviting a person to discourse with, but it never works out that way. I guess it's the template that you use for these discussions. It never seems to vary much and inevitably whoever you are discoursing with is found to be lacking in many ways. Usually they are guilty of being unwilling to face whatever reality is trying to tell them. Ask Emily whether that's true, Steve. Or Ann. Or raunchy. Or me, for that matter. We have all discoursed with Robin without having been found lacking or unwilling to face reality. Feste (before he turned against Robin) and PaliGap and Bob Price have all had very cordial discourses with Robin. Others as well. Okay, I am sure that is true. I guess within a certain range it works out. But out of a certain range a different Robin emerges. Nope, same Robin, just talking to people who seem to him to have a feeble grasp on reality, or the intention to subvert it. And yes, I am referring to his discussions with Curtis, or Share, or me on a few occassions me. And I am sure there are others. I believe your position will be that he is pointing out deficiencies in their FBO, but I am not on board with that evaluation. I have no idea what FBO is. And for all I know you and others may be correct in that evaluation. I just don't see it that way. And then, of course there is reality. The reality of his life, and your life, and anyone's life. How is that going? How is one perceived by others? Let's take that into consideration as well. Let's not and say we did. I was addressing a factual misstatement of yours. I'm not interested in getting into a discussion with you beyond correcting that.
