[FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
Xeno, There are many young scientists today who believe that they can prove what happened before the Big Bang. From what I understand, they think that they can find telltale evidence from the cosmic noise background as to what happened before the Big Bang. This would be analogous to seeing a slow motion picture of a bullet piercing a wall which would show the effects to the wall where the bullet exited. From these effects, they can retrace backwards the nature of the bullet and the energy that made it pierce the wall. Even Roger Penrose has been giving lectures in college venues showing his ideas about what happened before the Big Bang. You should check out his videos on YouTube. The rationale for these theories are very different from the reasoning behind the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Eternity as a spiritual experience and eternity as time are different perspectives. Modern scientific theories do postulate a beginning of the universe, not a creation. As space-time comes into being at this beginning, it is meaningless to talk of something before the beginning for there was no time, there was no before, even though there is a beginning as seen only after the beginning. In other words, it is only when the universe is experienced as existing is it possible to formulate the idea it had a beginning. When we look at distant objects through telescopes, we are looking back in time and the universe looks very different the farther away we look. Steady state theories of the universe have so far fallen as a result of these astronomical observations, so currently a physical interpretation of the universe as a function of time implies there was a beginning, but no way to have knowledge of what came before if in fact there could be a before. If I make a cup of coffee in the morning, there is a beginning, a middle, and and end to the process but I am not creating anything, I am just rearranging. I think the idea of god comes from the thought that if there is a beginning something must have initiated it, or rearranged something, though I am not sure why that should be necessary. If I attempt to remember when this body came into being, I do not remember, but at some point this body was there and was and is imbued with awareness. So 'my' beginning' really seems much like waking up in the morning. The blank of deep sleep, or the activity of a dream is suddenly replaced with the waking often without memory of antecedents - those come in a bit later. Yet that blank of deep sleep is in some sense the same value as everything around the body in waking. So the temporal value of passage of time, and the intemporal value of simply being, are curiously simultaneous, no beginning and beginning. That is not logical, but it is an expression of the mystery of experience. But before you wake up and the mind is in deep sleep, the mind cannot formulate the concept of 'becoming awake from sleep'. Ultimate beginnings and endings seem impenetrable, because the means to evaluate only exist in the middle between these extremes. This would seem to imply that ultimate beginnings and endings are forever hypothetical — we can never know. So at those hypothetical junctions the physical eternity of 'endless time' and the spiritual eternity of an undefinable unbounded present would seem to merge. So only in the middle between these 'transitions' can we pretend we know anything at all. When we manufacture a concept of eternity, it is always expressed as a function of time, even though it is not really possible to express it in words. There is the physical eternity concept of all moments of time strung together, and there is the spiritual eternity concept of just the one moment being experienced, the others out of sight, out of mind, or those moments in meditation where the awareness is awake but essentially still and the concept of time is impossible to experience, but which we conceptualise when the mind once again becomes active. (This is not meant to be a discussion of 'truth', just ideas to juggle and see if they fit experience in some way) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, Before shooting the messenger, you should read what the message is first. If you saw the clip, the presentation was a scientific discussion of how the universe started and how it could possibly end. The lecturer definitely does not agree with your belief that the universe has no beginning. In fact, the lecturer stated that the universe started as a burst of information as can be seen from the WMAP picture of the cosmic noise background. The distribution of the information can be interpreted as a series of zeroes and ones, which is consistent with how information is stored in a hologram. The lecturer did not discuss the role of God in this scenario.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
John, my point in replying originally was -- and is -- that I don't believe any of this guff you're spouting about science. I think your interest in this subject is completely driven by your belief in the childhood notions of God the Creator you were taught in your youth, and that you're still desperately trying to prove these myths true. The bottom line of most of the new cosmological theories you've presented is that one universe gives rise to the next, a sequence that goes back infinitely because there was never a beginning to infinity. I think you're just uncomfortable with a universe that was never created. I think -- as I said earlier -- that you are intensely uncomfortable with the notion of an eternal universe that has always been and thus never required being created. I think the *reason* you're uncomfortable with this concept is that it would obviate the need for any first creation and thus for a creator. In short, I think you're a lot like the people who search around on mountaintops looking for wreckage of a boat so they can prove the myths about Noah's ark true. I get it -- you have a need to believe in the myths you've been told about God, and you try to project that need onto every new scientific discovery, hoping to find something -- ANYTHING -- that you can glom onto to allow for the possibility of a Creator factor. Your very comment that started this thread was, in fact, My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? I don't think you're looking for the what -- I think you're looking for the Who. I'm just pointing out that none of this new research really seems to point to a beginning of the universe. It points instead to an endless successions of Big Bangs that are in reality just the result of the previous one. And so on, forever. But if it amuses you to try to prove the existence of this God thing you believe in, carry on. Just don't think you're fooling anyone about what your intent really is. In my book you're as much of a scientist as the crazy people who believe that dinosaurs lived during the time of Jesus. Or the TM scientists who start with an assumption -- that things are really the way that Maharishi described them -- and then try to work the data to make it seem true. That isn't science, in their case, or in yours. It's allowing the theory to drive the data, not allowing the data to drive the theory. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time Xeno, There are many young scientists today who believe that they can prove what happened before the Big Bang. From what I understand, they think that they can find telltale evidence from the cosmic noise background as to what happened before the Big Bang. This would be analogous to seeing a slow motion picture of a bullet piercing a wall which would show the effects to the wall where the bullet exited. From these effects, they can retrace backwards the nature of the bullet and the energy that made it pierce the wall. Even Roger Penrose has been giving lectures in college venues showing his ideas about what happened before the Big Bang. You should check out his videos on YouTube. The rationale for these theories are very different from the reasoning behind the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Eternity as a spiritual experience and eternity as time are different perspectives. Modern scientific theories do postulate a beginning of the universe, not a creation. As space-time comes into being at this beginning, it is meaningless to talk of something before the beginning for there was no time, there was no before, even though there is a beginning as seen only after the beginning. In other words, it is only when the universe is experienced as existing is it possible to formulate the idea it had a beginning. When we look at distant objects through telescopes, we are looking back in time and the universe looks very different the farther away we look. Steady state theories of the universe have so far fallen as a result of these astronomical observations, so currently a physical interpretation of the universe as a function of time implies there was a beginning, but no way to have knowledge of what came before if in fact there could be a before. If I make a cup of coffee in the morning, there is a beginning, a middle, and and end to the process but I am not creating anything, I am just rearranging. I think the idea of god comes from the thought that if there is a beginning something must have initiated it, or rearranged something, though I am not sure why that should be necessary. If I attempt to remember when this body came into being, I do not remember, but at some point this body was there and was and is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time [6 Attachments]
Hi I am new to this group. Although I am a spiritualist - started at Cambridge Spiritualist church in the 60's ! I have a strong interest in UFO's. Thought someone may be interested in some photos sent to me for analysis using the decorrelation stretch analysis technique. Both photos were taken in the same place, Shipley Park, nr. Derby, England – April 2011 by Joanne Summerscales founder of the Ammach organization. She had no idea of their significance. Photo 1 - shows a helicopter following a UFO, the only thing revealed is a small plasma glow above the craft. Photo 2 - much more interesting photo shows a Mothership and to the left fallout from a Chemtrail (in purple) (Photo 2a), Joanne said initially she went out to film Chemtrails. Photo 3 - an enlargement which Joanne also provided. Photo 3a,- reveals the Mothership is attracting the Chemtrail towards it, I presume for the purpose of nullification. I have never before seen a photo of Mothership absorption of Chemtrails – the photo shows a clearly defined outline towards the craft and also striations of what appear to be energy waves (compare with surrounding area) - on some monitors the wave like ripple is not as noticeable. Regards John On Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:27 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, my point in replying originally was -- and is -- that I don't believe any of this guff you're spouting about science. I think your interest in this subject is completely driven by your belief in the childhood notions of God the Creator you were taught in your youth, and that you're still desperately trying to prove these myths true. The bottom line of most of the new cosmological theories you've presented is that one universe gives rise to the next, a sequence that goes back infinitely because there was never a beginning to infinity. I think you're just uncomfortable with a universe that was never created. I think -- as I said earlier -- that you are intensely uncomfortable with the notion of an eternal universe that has always been and thus never required being created. I think the *reason* you're uncomfortable with this concept is that it would obviate the need for any first creation and thus for a creator. In short, I think you're a lot like the people who search around on mountaintops looking for wreckage of a boat so they can prove the myths about Noah's ark true. I get it -- you have a need to believe in the myths you've been told about God, and you try to project that need onto every new scientific discovery, hoping to find something -- ANYTHING -- that you can glom onto to allow for the possibility of a Creator factor. Your very comment that started this thread was, in fact, My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? I don't think you're looking for the what -- I think you're looking for the Who. I'm just pointing out that none of this new research really seems to point to a beginning of the universe. It points instead to an endless successions of Big Bangs that are in reality just the result of the previous one. And so on, forever. But if it amuses you to try to prove the existence of this God thing you believe in, carry on. Just don't think you're fooling anyone about what your intent really is. In my book you're as much of a scientist as the crazy people who believe that dinosaurs lived during the time of Jesus. Or the TM scientists who start with an assumption -- that things are really the way that Maharishi described them -- and then try to work the data to make it seem true. That isn't science, in their case, or in yours. It's allowing the theory to drive the data, not allowing the data to drive the theory. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time Xeno, There are many young scientists today who believe that they can prove what happened before the Big Bang. From what I understand, they think that they can find telltale evidence from the cosmic noise background as to what happened before the Big Bang. This would be analogous to seeing a slow motion picture of a bullet piercing a wall which would show the effects to the wall where the bullet exited. From these effects, they can retrace backwards the nature of the bullet and the energy that made it pierce the wall. Even Roger Penrose has been giving lectures in college venues showing his ideas about what happened before the Big Bang. You should check out his videos on YouTube. The rationale for these theories are very different from the reasoning behind the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Eternity as a spiritual experience and eternity as time are different perspectives. Modern
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
John, just to clarify further, I'm trying to suggest something about how one's beliefs shape and limit one's ability to interpret scientific facts. I think I can prove my point with one simple question to you: Can you conceive of the possibility that the universe is eternal, meaning that it was never created and it will never end -- it has been, is now, and will always be? If you answer Yes, then you have to admit that in such a case there is no need to search for proof of a first creation, because there wouldn't have ever been one. If you answer No, my suggestion is that your answer is based on BELIEF -- in anthropomorphism, in what you've been told about Creation in various scriptures and myths, and in what you were told by Maharishi. You have chosen to believe that these anthropomorphic fictions were true or Truth, and thus you will be constantly looking for proof of them in any new scientific cosmological theory. I'm suggesting this because you consistently post articles that from *my* point of view suggest theories consistent with the so-called Big Bang being nothing more than one in an endless series of Little Bangs, stretching back into infinity. I haven't seen any suggestion of the notion of a first creation in any of them. *You*, on the other hand, still seem to be searching for such a notion. You're free to believe anything you want, of course, but the way things are going I don't think you're going to find it in real science. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time John, my point in replying originally was -- and is -- that I don't believe any of this guff you're spouting about science. I think your interest in this subject is completely driven by your belief in the childhood notions of God the Creator you were taught in your youth, and that you're still desperately trying to prove these myths true. The bottom line of most of the new cosmological theories you've presented is that one universe gives rise to the next, a sequence that goes back infinitely because there was never a beginning to infinity. I think you're just uncomfortable with a universe that was never created. I think -- as I said earlier -- that you are intensely uncomfortable with the notion of an eternal universe that has always been and thus never required being created. I think the *reason* you're uncomfortable with this concept is that it would obviate the need for any first creation and thus for a creator. In short, I think you're a lot like the people who search around on mountaintops looking for wreckage of a boat so they can prove the myths about Noah's ark true. I get it -- you have a need to believe in the myths you've been told about God, and you try to project that need onto every new scientific discovery, hoping to find something -- ANYTHING -- that you can glom onto to allow for the possibility of a Creator factor. Your very comment that started this thread was, in fact, My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? I don't think you're looking for the what -- I think you're looking for the Who. I'm just pointing out that none of this new research really seems to point to a beginning of the universe. It points instead to an endless successions of Big Bangs that are in reality just the result of the previous one. And so on, forever. But if it amuses you to try to prove the existence of this God thing you believe in, carry on. Just don't think you're fooling anyone about what your intent really is. In my book you're as much of a scientist as the crazy people who believe that dinosaurs lived during the time of Jesus. Or the TM scientists who start with an assumption -- that things are really the way that Maharishi described them -- and then try to work the data to make it seem true. That isn't science, in their case, or in yours. It's allowing the theory to drive the data, not allowing the data to drive the theory. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time Xeno, There are many young scientists today who believe that they can prove what happened before the Big Bang. From what I understand, they think that they can find telltale evidence from the cosmic noise background as to what happened before the Big Bang. This would be analogous to seeing a slow motion picture of a bullet piercing a wall which would show the effects to the wall where the bullet exited. From these effects, they can retrace backwards the nature of the bullet and the energy that made it pierce the wall. Even Roger Penrose has
Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Summer Solstice Everyone!
Happy Summer Solstice, John and hope you're enjoying the exaltations of Jupiter and Saturn. On Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:09 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: We hope you have fun plans for this summer. Enjoy it while you have it!
Re: [FairfieldLife] What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
Thanks for your input. As should be obvious, I'm ignoring any responses from the MGC, because we all knew what they would be before they were ever posted -- variants on Get Barry, because he posted yet another idea they didn't like. I figure if I ignore them, they'll repeat their pattern and move on soon to getting Share, and then we can *all* ignore them. :-) Your suggestion has merit, however. True, it presents an ideal situation -- being able to find a master of an instrument who would take you on as a student. Most will start with lesser teachers and progress to better teachers only when they need (and deserve) them. A Segovia, after all, is not gonna waste his time giving a Master Class to someone like me, with my rudimentary skills on the guitar. But I like the notion of practice, and of its necessity. That's what I was getting at in my bullet point about shakti. Yes, there are people who can give your state of attention a temporary boost, and shift you into a very different SoA. But what I've seen all too often is that students who spend a lot of time around such transmission teachers tend to ride the energy, and *NOT* practice themselves. The theory, as I understand it, is to temporarily lift the student who is trudging up the mountain and fly them to the top for a few moments, to give them a clearer vision of the goal. Then they get deposited back on the path, right where they were before the shakti-fest, and it's *their job* to start walking again and get to the top on their own. But as a wise man once said, In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. What I've seen happen is that the students -- having gotten a temporary boost -- just kick back and save up their money for the next one. They become in essence shakti junkies, waiting for the next darshan session or Amma hug or whatever they believe shifted their SoA in the first place. And they *don't* practice, and they *don't* really exhibit any spiritual progress. My experience of teachers who I would consider capable of teaching advanced meditation is that they can provide that temporary boost. You can sit with them and gain levels of clarity that you might not have stumbled upon for months or years on your own. But the meat of such teachings is that you're then supposed to go back and figure out how to achieve them on your own. Many do not. They just wait for the next opportunity to shoot up. Among the *good* teachers I've met who were capable of providing these boosts, their reaction to a student trying to ride the energy like this would be to cut them off, cold turkey. No more shakti-fests until they demonstrate some progress on their own. The *bad* teachers just keep collecting the money for the shakti-fests and succeed mainly in amplifying their own egos and impeding their students' long-term progress. In my opinion, of course. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com As I've said many a time: it should be like learning to play a musical instrument. You go to a master of the instrument to learn how to play it. You don't practice, you don't learn. And you might learn from another teacher to learn a different style or approach. On 06/20/2014 03:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Work for the week finished, I thought I'd sit in this canalside cafe and rap a bit about some of the attributes I think would be refreshing to find in a spiritual trip. It's NOT that I'm looking for one, you understand. It's just that it struck me as a fun idea to write about some of the things I'd *like* to find, as opposed to what I often *do* find. * It's free. That is, all teaching is either supported by the people doing it, or by donations that are actually donations. No one would ever be pressured to contribute, whether it be for talks, or instruction. People who are trying to lay a spiritual trip on others should pay their audiences for the privilege, not vice-versa. * It's fun. This is one of the most important criteria I would look for in a spiritual trip. If the people participating in it don't look like they're having FUN, what possible interest could it have for me? The very concept of FUN should be respected as what it is -- an indicator that you're doing something right, spiritually. * Teachers as fellow travelers. Your teacher or teacher can be your friend or fellow seeker. There is no sense of distance between teacher
[FairfieldLife] A moving experience
Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual “Energy Work ”
Dear MJ, we will hold you in our awareness. In Satsanga, -Buck mjackson74writes: They smell the heady aroma of sheep, willing to be fleeced. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual “Energy Work” It seems some awakened 'pietist' people are discovering Fairfield, Iowa from Rick Archer's Batgap.com interviews. I see by the recent advertisements in the Fairfield Weekly Reader that energy healers from afar are more commonly introducing themselves to Fairfield. In recent weeks and months several of Rick's guests who are healers seem to be testing the Fairfield market. What they may not realize in coming from the outside is that it is a very complex calendar of spiritual things going on here. So much to do spiritually, and so little time! Fairfieldlife, -Buck Subject heading was: Human Spirituality and Collapse of the Wave Function Cardemaister, Ohhmm that voltage of the [spiritual] heart! This is really an important post you offer here. This spiritual 'heart of the matter' that you offer here actually seems to be where much of the meditating community has gone on to with all of its satsanga here otherwise. It is a lot of a reason inside the Dome that the numbers languish so. But apparently Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and John Hagelin are together in Europe. As scientists and spiritual people my bet is that the TM research will swing to study this aspect of the heart system in spirituality. That evidently is where the cutting edge of science and spirituality is. Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and John Hagelin are people of great heart. We will see a change of spiritual front coming out of the head and in to the heart around this lead by these two of great science. The whole subtle system is where it is going. Spirituality evidently is way more than just transcending. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Yep; this is really a Brilliant presentation of all that is modern in the world. Now we are getting to the apex of Knowledge in the world. Is a Powerfully present model of spirituality and spiritual progress ultimately being in the refinement of bio-consciousness in the human body-mind complex. 100Mv or more, should be the battle cry of the forces of illumination over the dullness of egnorance! May the Force of the Unified Field be with You! !Power to the People with more science education and meditation and spirituality everywhere! -Buck in the Dome Dear FFL, Let's change the original subject heading of this thread. Yogic flying seems way too inflammatory and distracting to have in a discussion like this. To be helpful to the larger subject I am going to drop the 'YF' from the subject line on this thread. This thread deserves to be much more than that. Heck, both Patanjali and our own Guru Dev Brahmananda Saraswati themselves dissuaded people from pursuing sidhis. !OMG-the-Unified Field! Bio-consciousness, and the human body voltage of the heart in the soularplex of human spirituality. The opening Conspiracy theory aside and and also the announcer- documentary voice tone with tension of the music score of the video aside, what a fabulous Sunday morning video to watch. The straight ahead fusion of science-based-evidence, theory and spirituality experience will certainly drive the FFL meditation and spirituality haters here nuts. But the subject title of this thread is not encompassing enough. This is way more than YF as the video presents It. TM and patanjali in the TM-sidhis are certainly good introductions but as this video argues in presentation, they are only the start. I should like to hear, Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam elaborate and elucidate more on this the next time he is visiting us in Fairfield. -Buck Cardemaister Offers: Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VIBRATIONAL BEINGS.Law of attraction/vibes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VI... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A TAKE YOU POWER BACK AND BE IN CONTROL OF AND CREATE YOUR LIFE! LINKS UPDATES! (^_^)/ as of April 2014 effective and simple! ALL THE INFO B... View on youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience
Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience
Doug, I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
That's assuming there is a universe out there - what if we are all in a dream and we are just projecting our consciousness onto the universe? A man once dreamed he was a butterfly. The dream was so real that when he woke up he couldn't tell if he was a man dreaming he was a butterfly, or if he was a bitterfly dreaming he was a man. Chuang: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi There's nothing in the so-called waking state that we couldn't also experience in a dream. In the waking state doors are doors and tables are tables. We can run and jump in and consult our friends in dreams just like we do in the waking state. The universe exists inside of consciousness, not outside. Without consciousness, maybe there is no universe. On 6/20/2014 3:30 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe is a white hole, i.e. our universe came from another parent universe eons ago. He was also implying that our universe may end up as information either in a black hole or in the infinite expansion of this universe. My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? Based on this lecture, one can gather that the dark energy contained in our parent universe was the source of power that fed a black hole which exploded to create our own universe. IOW, our universe could generate the same baby universes which could be understood as an infinite burst of universes or information, aka the multiverse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAJinQL2c0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Silly bawee, this was a set-up on the part of those lurker reporters who Buck in the Dome answers to and who purposefully bait posters like yourself to get all uppity. Surely you would have recognized the method here? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
[FairfieldLife] Proper Vastu and the moving experience
Well, they clearly are behind the times and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : John, my point in replying originally was -- and is -- that I don't believe any of this guff you're spouting about science. I think your interest in this subject is completely driven by your belief in the childhood notions of God the Creator you were taught in your youth, and that you're still desperately trying to prove these myths true. The bottom line of most of the new cosmological theories you've presented is that one universe gives rise to the next, a sequence that goes back infinitely because there was never a beginning to infinity. I think you're just uncomfortable with a universe that was never created. I think -- as I said earlier -- that you are intensely uncomfortable with the notion of an eternal universe that has always been and thus never required being created. I think the *reason* you're uncomfortable with this concept is that it would obviate the need for any first creation and thus for a creator. In short, I think you're a lot like the people who search around on mountaintops looking for wreckage of a boat so they can prove the myths about Noah's ark true. I get it -- you have a need to believe in the myths you've been told about God, and you try to project that need onto every new scientific discovery, hoping to find something -- ANYTHING -- that you can glom onto to allow for the possibility of a Creator factor. Your very comment that started this thread was, in fact, My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? I don't think you're looking for the what -- I think you're looking for the Who. I'm just pointing out that none of this new research really seems to point to a beginning of the universe. It points instead to an endless successions of Big Bangs that are in reality just the result of the previous one. And so on, forever. But if it amuses you to try to prove the existence of this God thing you believe in, carry on. Just don't think you're fooling anyone about what your intent really is. In my book you're as much of a scientist as the crazy people who believe that dinosaurs lived during the time of Jesus. Or the TM scientists who start with an assumption -- that things are really the way that Maharishi described them -- and then try to work the data to make it seem true. That isn't science, in their case, or in yours. It's allowing the theory to drive the data, not allowing the data to drive the theory. bawee has either been coerced by the lurking reporters to respond like a jerk here in his post or he is a jerk. I'm pretty sure the lurking reporters are getting a good kick out of seeing how far they can use bawee as their puppet, how far they can make him prostitute his character just so he can feel like he is of some use to sadistic reporters still, apparently, needing test subjects here at FFL. I've pretty much figured out everyone here, how long is it going to take for the reporters to figure out everyone's psychiatric profile? They've certainly got bawee figured out (man who can be bought with a few pieces of silver). From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time Xeno, There are many young scientists today who believe that they can prove what happened before the Big Bang. From what I understand, they think that they can find telltale evidence from the cosmic noise background as to what happened before the Big Bang. This would be analogous to seeing a slow motion picture of a bullet piercing a wall which would show the effects to the wall where the bullet exited. From these effects, they can retrace backwards the nature of the bullet and the energy that made it pierce the wall. Even Roger Penrose has been giving lectures in college venues showing his ideas about what happened before the Big Bang. You should check out his videos on YouTube. The rationale for these theories are very different from the reasoning behind the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Eternity as a spiritual experience and eternity as time are different perspectives. Modern scientific theories do postulate a beginning of the universe, not a creation. As space-time comes into being at this beginning, it is meaningless to talk of something before the beginning for there was no time, there was no before, even though there is a beginning as seen only after the beginning. In other words, it is only when the universe is experienced as existing is it possible to formulate the idea it had a beginning. When we look at distant objects through telescopes, we are looking back in time and the universe looks very different the farther away we look. Steady state theories of the universe have so far fallen as a result of these
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience
Evidently it is felt that bad orientation could be dangerous. Housing prices in the USA now are fluctuating widely based on entry orientation. Apparently realtors in NYC of necessity have to be facile in both vastu and Feng Shui to close on real estate deals. Well, they clearly are behind the times [in the Netherlands] and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience
Just another illusion propagated by people who make money off the deal. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience Evidently it is felt that bad orientation could be dangerous. Housing prices in the USA now are fluctuating widely based on entry orientation. Apparently realtors in NYC of necessity have to be facile in both vastu and Feng Shui to close on real estate deals. Well, they clearly are behind the times [in the Netherlands] and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Subject:[FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
On 6/20/2014 5:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: John, with all due respect, your question seems to be asked from the perspective of someone who cannot conceive of eternity. It seems to be based on the anthropomorphic projection that because we had a beginning and an end, so must the universe. If you hold -- as I do -- that the universe is eternal and was never created, there is no need to waste time postulating a creator. The term /eternity is a religious term/ has no relation to how the universe got it's start in physics. The term implies an intelligent creator, since that' the only way eternity could be constructed. Eternity would have to exist outside time and space and separate from the physical world, by definition. Only God could create such an eternal universe. In reality, there is no space-time because that concept implies boundaries in the universe. But, we know that there are no boundaries in nature or in the universe. Only in unity consciousness, or oneness with all reality, can we eliminate boundaries. Unity consciousness does not exist in space-time. Unity consciousness or no-boundary consciousness, by definition has no boundary. Read more: 'No Boundary: Eastern and Western Approaches to Personal Growth' by Ken Wilber Shambhala, 1979 Amazon reviews: http://tinyurl.com/plbuc96 *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 10:30 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe is a white hole, i.e. our universe came from another parent universe eons ago. He was also implying that our universe may end up as information either in a black hole or in the infinite expansion of this universe. My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? Based on this lecture, one can gather that the dark energy contained in our parent universe was the source of power that fed a black hole which exploded to create our own universe. IOW, our universe could generate the same baby universes which could be understood as an infinite burst of universes or information, aka the multiverse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAJinQL2c0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Just another illusion propagated by people who make money off the deal. Compare and contrast: New York City Vastu Barcelona Vastu Texas Vastu Dutch Vastu Bourtange is a village with a population of 430 in the municipality of Vlagtwedde in the Netherlands. The star fort was built in 1593 during the Eighty Years’ War when William I of Orange wanted to control the only road between Germany and the city of Groningen. Bourtange was restored to its mid-18th-century state in 1960 and is currently used as an open-air museum. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Evidently it is felt that bad orientation could be dangerous. Housing prices in the USA now are fluctuating widely based on entry orientation. Apparently realtors in NYC of necessity have to be facile in both vastu and Feng Shui to close on real estate deals. Well, they clearly are behind the times [in the Netherlands] and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Subject:[FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience
OMG, how can people bear to live in big cities?! Anyway, an interesting feng shui practice is to get rid of 27 items for 9 days in a row. The items can be thrown away, donated or sold. And if you miss a day, you gotta start over! On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:17 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Just another illusion propagated by people who make money off the deal. Compare and contrast: New York City Vastu Barcelona Vastu Texas Vastu Dutch Vastu Bourtange is a village with a population of 430 in the municipality of Vlagtwedde in the Netherlands. The star fort was built in 1593 during the Eighty Years’ War when William I of Orange wanted to control the only road between Germany and the city of Groningen. Bourtange was restored to its mid-18th-century state in 1960 and is currently used as an open-air museum. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Evidently it is felt that bad orientation could be dangerous. Housing prices in the USA now are fluctuating widely based on entry orientation. Apparently realtors in NYC of necessity have to be facile in both vastu and Feng Shui to close on real estate deals. Well, they clearly are behind the times [in the Netherlands] and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Subject:[FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
[FairfieldLife] The Joy Of Typing
I think this is a great essay. But then, I type fast. https://medium.com/message/the-joy-of-typing-fd8d091ab8ef
Re: [FairfieldLife] What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
Similarly, my favorite healers are those like qigong master Chunyi Lin who teach people how to heal themselves and their family with even just the cost of a book or set of dvds. Lots of very genuine healers like that around these days. On Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:38 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for your input. As should be obvious, I'm ignoring any responses from the MGC, because we all knew what they would be before they were ever posted -- variants on Get Barry, because he posted yet another idea they didn't like. I figure if I ignore them, they'll repeat their pattern and move on soon to getting Share, and then we can *all* ignore them. :-) Your suggestion has merit, however. True, it presents an ideal situation -- being able to find a master of an instrument who would take you on as a student. Most will start with lesser teachers and progress to better teachers only when they need (and deserve) them. A Segovia, after all, is not gonna waste his time giving a Master Class to someone like me, with my rudimentary skills on the guitar. But I like the notion of practice, and of its necessity. That's what I was getting at in my bullet point about shakti. Yes, there are people who can give your state of attention a temporary boost, and shift you into a very different SoA. But what I've seen all too often is that students who spend a lot of time around such transmission teachers tend to ride the energy, and *NOT* practice themselves. The theory, as I understand it, is to temporarily lift the student who is trudging up the mountain and fly them to the top for a few moments, to give them a clearer vision of the goal. Then they get deposited back on the path, right where they were before the shakti-fest, and it's *their job* to start walking again and get to the top on their own. But as a wise man once said, In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. What I've seen happen is that the students -- having gotten a temporary boost -- just kick back and save up their money for the next one. They become in essence shakti junkies, waiting for the next darshan session or Amma hug or whatever they believe shifted their SoA in the first place. And they *don't* practice, and they *don't* really exhibit any spiritual progress. My experience of teachers who I would consider capable of teaching advanced meditation is that they can provide that temporary boost. You can sit with them and gain levels of clarity that you might not have stumbled upon for months or years on your own. But the meat of such teachings is that you're then supposed to go back and figure out how to achieve them on your own. Many do not. They just wait for the next opportunity to shoot up. Among the *good* teachers I've met who were capable of providing these boosts, their reaction to a student trying to ride the energy like this would be to cut them off, cold turkey. No more shakti-fests until they demonstrate some progress on their own. The *bad* teachers just keep collecting the money for the shakti-fests and succeed mainly in amplifying their own egos and impeding their students' long-term progress. In my opinion, of course. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com As I've said many a time: it should be like learning to play a musical instrument. You go to a master of the instrument to learn how to play it. You don't practice, you don't learn. And you might learn from another teacher to learn a different style or approach. On 06/20/2014 03:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Work for the week finished, I thought I'd sit in this canalside cafe and rap a bit about some of the attributes I think would be refreshing to find in a spiritual trip. It's NOT that I'm looking for one, you understand. It's just that it struck me as a fun idea to write about some of the things I'd *like* to find, as opposed to what I often *do* find. * It's free. That is, all teaching is either supported by the people doing it, or by donations that are actually donations. No one would ever be pressured to contribute, whether it be for talks, or instruction. People who are trying to lay a spiritual trip on others should pay their audiences for the privilege, not vice-versa. * It's fun. This is one of the most important criteria I would look for in a spiritual trip. If the people participating in it don't look like they're having FUN, what possible interest could it have for me? The very concept of FUN
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
On 6/20/2014 1:44 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I saw it more as a one trick pony response from Barry - nothing original, just the same ol', same ol'. When the waking state attempts to talk about infinity, it often has this stunted and stale quality to it. Infinity isn't newly experienced, it is a memory, growing ever more distant - Where does Barry get these religious ideas? No intelligent Buddhist would ascribe to the eternal view, since that wouldn't be following a middle path between the extremes of permanence and temporariness. Change is inevitable and so nothing is permanent or eternal - permanence would be contradictory to change and would seem to imply that the universe had agency and purpose. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are trying to force your square peg, into a round hole. :-) John is curious, not about the beginning of the universe, or a creator, per se, but the mechanics of the beginning of *the manifestation* of the universe. In other words, *he already recognizes the infinite nature of the universe*, and is trying to account for the 'something from nothing' phenomenon. Seems obvious that the universe, like everything within it, is not eternal, in its physical form - it grows, lives, and dies, like everything else - but the energy continues, unchanged. John is curious about what happens to the energy, when it is no longer obvious. So his discussion points are a little more subtle than your old, 'creator, or not' question. IOW, your 'answer' has nothing to do with his question, unless the mechanics of the creator are assumed to be exactly the same, as the mechanics of the creation of the universe. This is a really nice answer and I appreciate your ideas here, Mac. To imagine the existence of the Universe as having a beginning, a middle and an end is hardly anthropomorphic. (And perhaps only our physical bodies are bound by this, not our consciousness.) And certainly, as you point out Mac, stars and planets and galaxies (the physical aspect of the Universe) have beginnings and middles and ends so then the question is really about Creation as a whole and that would be Creation as both physical and as consciousness. No one can, as of yet, answer the question to anyone's satisfaction - can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Creation has no beginning (as bawee asserts so positively) or, in fact had a start somehow and that it will have an end, or perhaps will go on forever now that it exists. Bawee's little snippet here is nothing if not a brick wall thrown up in the face of John who is merely speculating. Bawee has to insult him and tell him he is wasting his time because, after all, bawee knows the truth behind this mystery of the Universe and Creation. It always amazes me how terrible a conversationalist bawee is (and yes, in this case it is all about bawee). He does not live to learn and come to know, he already has the answers and to all the others out there who don't hold the same viewpoint as he does he feels sorry for them and dismisses their 'stupidity' as some sort of proof of cultishness or having been brainwashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : John, with all due respect, your question seems to be asked from the perspective of someone who cannot conceive of eternity. It seems to be based on the anthropomorphic projection that because we had a beginning and an end, so must the universe. If you hold -- as I do -- that the universe is eternal and was never created, there is no need to waste time postulating a creator. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 10:30 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe is a white hole, i.e. our universe came from another parent universe eons ago. He was also implying that our universe may end up as information either in a black hole or in the infinite expansion of this universe. My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? Based on this lecture, one can gather that the dark energy contained in our parent universe was the source of power that fed a black hole which exploded to create our own universe. IOW, our universe could generate the same baby universes which could be understood as an infinite burst of universes or information, aka the multiverse.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Joy Of Typing
Thanks turq, wonderful article, fun info, useful, etc. When I was in high school in the 60s, I was in the college prep track and usually we didn't taking a typing class. But for some reason I now can't remember, I took such a class in my junior year. And now I'm really glad that I did. OTOH, I always take notes by hand. AND, in unlined notebooks which are called sketchbooks. Can't stand notebooks, etc. with lines on them. Go figure! On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:29 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think this is a great essay. But then, I type fast. https://medium.com/message/the-joy-of-typing-fd8d091ab8ef
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
On 6/20/2014 7:38 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, it is similar to the difference between a person being asleep or awake - all energy in either potential, or active form. Even more intriguing to me, is the idea of detectable, but unobservable, 'dark matter', which is supposed to account for far more of the universe's energy, than the manifested bits we can see. In a sense we are all asleep - /no one can see the totality of existence/. We are awake most of the time but we can only perceive a very small part of the universe with the human eye or even with instruments. And, there seems to be a parallel universe inside our own minds that we can only get glimpses of. It may be that there is dark matter out there in the universe, but there could also be dark matter in our own brains. The universe out there may just be a shadow of what's inside our own minds. The 'shadow' is something the Perennial Philosophy of the world's great religions NEVER knew about. No mystical literature or scripture from any of the world's religions (both great and small) even realized human beings could and did hide significant aspects of their being and project them outward so as not to be seen... - T. J. Melody 'No Boundary: Eastern and Western Approaches to Personal Growth' by Ken Wilber Shambhala, 1979 Amazon review: http://tinyurl.com/plbuc96 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, You understood the points precisely. In my first viewing of the clip several months ago, I didn't understand it completely. After viewing it the second time, I understood the implications of the professor's ideas. Hence, I posted the clip for everyone to comment on. But here's another clip from Leonard Susskind, a Stanford University professor, which discusses points that touch along the lines of Dijkgraaf's presentation. Both discuss the storage of information inside the black hole that is similar to a hologram. However, Susskind's ideas have a different twist to it. He states that the universe's expansion is the reverse dynamics that occur in a black hole. He's implying that information is stored as well when the galaxies disappear from our line of sight horizon due to their expansion at the speed of light. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are trying to force your square peg, into a round hole. :-) John is curious, not about the beginning of the universe, or a creator, per se, but the mechanics of the beginning of *the manifestation* of the universe. In other words, *he already recognizes the infinite nature of the universe*, and is trying to account for the 'something from nothing' phenomenon. Seems obvious that the universe, like everything within it, is not eternal, in its physical form - it grows, lives, and dies, like everything else - but the energy continues, unchanged. John is curious about what happens to the energy, when it is no longer obvious. So his discussion points are a little more subtle than your old, 'creator, or not' question. IOW, your 'answer' has nothing to do with his question, unless the mechanics of the creator are assumed to be exactly the same, as the mechanics of the creation of the universe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : John, with all due respect, your question seems to be asked from the perspective of someone who cannot conceive of eternity. It seems to be based on the anthropomorphic projection that because we had a beginning and an end, so must the universe. If you hold -- as I do -- that the universe is eternal and was never created, there is no need to waste time postulating a creator. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 10:30 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe is a white hole, i.e. our universe came from another parent universe eons ago. He was also implying that our universe may end up as information either in a black hole or in the infinite expansion of this universe. My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? Based on this lecture, one can gather that the dark energy contained in our parent universe was the source of power that fed a black hole which exploded to create our own universe. IOW, our universe could generate the same baby universes which could be understood as an infinite burst of universes or information, aka
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
Richard, what the great religions did know about is the dark night of the soul. And I'm theorizing that that definitely has something to do with one's shadow and its emergence from, well, the shadows! On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:59 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/20/2014 7:38 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, it is similar to the difference between a person being asleep or awake - all energy in either potential, or active form. Even more intriguing to me, is the idea of detectable, but unobservable, 'dark matter', which is supposed to account for far more of the universe's energy, than the manifested bits we can see. In a sense we are all asleep - no one can see the totality of existence. We are awake most of the time but we can only perceive a very small part of the universe with the human eye or even with instruments. And, there seems to be a parallel universe inside our own minds that we can only get glimpses of. It may be that there is dark matter out there in the universe, but there could also be dark matter in our own brains. The universe out there may just be a shadow of what's inside our own minds. The 'shadow' is something the Perennial Philosophy of the world's great religions NEVER knew about. No mystical literature or scripture from any of the world's religions (both great and small) even realized human beings could and did hide significant aspects of their being and project them outward so as not to be seen... - T. J. Melody 'No Boundary: Eastern and Western Approaches to Personal Growth' by Ken Wilber Shambhala, 1979 Amazon review: http://tinyurl.com/plbuc96 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, You understood the points precisely. In my first viewing of the clip several months ago, I didn't understand it completely. After viewing it the second time, I understood the implications of the professor's ideas. Hence, I posted the clip for everyone to comment on. But here's another clip from Leonard Susskind, a Stanford University professor, which discusses points that touch along the lines of Dijkgraaf's presentation. Both discuss the storage of information inside the black hole that is similar to a hologram. However, Susskind's ideas have a different twist to it. He states that the universe's expansion is the reverse dynamics that occur in a black hole. He's implying that information is stored as well when the galaxies disappear from our line of sight horizon due to their expansion at the speed of light. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are trying to force your square peg, into a round hole. :-) John is curious, not about the beginning of the universe, or a creator, per se, but the mechanics of the beginning of *the manifestation* of the universe. In other words, *he already recognizes the infinite nature of the universe*, and is trying to account for the 'something from nothing' phenomenon. Seems obvious that the universe, like everything within it, is not eternal, in its physical form - it grows, lives, and dies, like everything else - but the energy continues, unchanged. John is curious about what happens to the energy, when it is no longer obvious. So his discussion points are a little more subtle than your old, 'creator, or not' question. IOW, your 'answer' has nothing to do with his question, unless the mechanics of the creator are assumed to be exactly the same, as the mechanics of the creation of the universe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : John, with all due respect, your question seems to be asked from the perspective of someone who cannot conceive of eternity. It seems to be based on the anthropomorphic projection that because we had a beginning and an end, so must the universe. If you hold -- as I do -- that the universe is eternal and was never created, there is no need to waste time postulating a creator. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe is a white hole, i.e. our universe came from another parent universe eons ago. He was also implying that our universe may end up as information either in a black hole or in the infinite expansion of this universe. My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang?
Re: [FairfieldLife] What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
Not a thing wrong with the idea, as far as I'm concerned, except that in the execution, you left out any mention of respecting other spiritual teachings/teachers/practitioners. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks for your input. As should be obvious, I'm ignoring any responses from the MGC, because we all knew what they would be before they were ever posted -- variants on Get Barry, because he posted yet another idea they didn't like.
[FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
That would just mean the Big Bang is not the beginning, and that space-time has more complex dimensionality than we suppose. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Xeno, There are many young scientists today who believe that they can prove what happened before the Big Bang. From what I understand, they think that they can find telltale evidence from the cosmic noise background as to what happened before the Big Bang. This would be analogous to seeing a slow motion picture of a bullet piercing a wall which would show the effects to the wall where the bullet exited. From these effects, they can retrace backwards the nature of the bullet and the energy that made it pierce the wall. Even Roger Penrose has been giving lectures in college venues showing his ideas about what happened before the Big Bang. You should check out his videos on YouTube. The rationale for these theories are very different from the reasoning behind the Kalaam Cosmological Argument.
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
On 6/20/2014 9:43 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, There's a story in the Srimad Bhagavatam stating that when Vishnu was sleeping in the causal ocean he would breathe out an infinite number of universes. And when he breathes in, all of the universes are annihilated as they enter his body. The cycle repeats until he wakes up. According to the Bhagwatam although Lord Vishnu *appears* to be a part of creation (prakriti) He is really existing in the *transcendental* field outside of space-time. That's why He is called the 'Transcendental Person.' This is a very subtle cosmology - Lord Krishna as an emanation of Vishnu is totally separate from the prakriti, but yet He *appears* to 'come down to earth', but in reality, He always remains the Transcendent. Vaishnavism is based on the Upanishads - all the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists. I'm assuming that when he awakes he would be conversing with Laksmi, his consort, and that creation stops temporarily until he falls asleep again. it is /inconceivable/ how the Lord can be transcendental and an emanation both at the same time - /one, and at the same time, different./ Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : That's assuming there is a universe out there - what if we are all in a dream and we are just projecting our consciousness onto the universe. A wise man once dreamed he was a butterfly. The dream was so real that when he woke up he couldn't tell if he was a many dreaming he was a butterfly, or if he was a bitterfly dreaming he was a man. Once upon a time, a man named Chuang, dreamed he was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, a veritable butterfly, enjoying itself to the fullest, not knowing he was a man. Suddenly he woke up and became himself again. So, was he a man dreaming he was a butterfly or was he a butterfly dreaming he was a man? http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi There's nothing in the so-called waking state that we couldn't also experience in a dream. In the waking state doors are doors and tables are tables. We can run and jump in and consult our friends in dreams just like we do in the waking state. On 6/20/2014 3:30 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe is a white hole, i.e. our universe came from another parent universe eons ago. He was also implying that our universe may end up as information either in a black hole or in the infinite expansion of this universe. My question primarily is: what caused the Big Bang? Based on this lecture, one can gather that the dark energy contained in our parent universe was the source of power that fed a black hole which exploded to create our own universe. IOW, our universe could generate the same baby universes which could be understood as an infinite burst of universes or information, aka the multiverse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAJinQL2c0
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
Don't imagine that the 'middle path' is an average between two polar opposites, it is more like finding that mid-point (so to speak), and coming to rest there, balanced, and then having the separation between them dissolve. As for where people get religious ideas, they just make them up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/20/2014 1:44 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I saw it more as a one trick pony response from Barry - nothing original, just the same ol', same ol'. When the waking state attempts to talk about infinity, it often has this stunted and stale quality to it. Infinity isn't newly experienced, it is a memory, growing ever more distant - Where does Barry get these religious ideas? No intelligent Buddhist would ascribe to the eternal view, since that wouldn't be following a middle path between the extremes of permanence and temporariness. Change is inevitable and so nothing is permanent or eternal - permanence would be contradictory to change and would seem to imply that the universe had agency and purpose. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are trying to force your square peg, into a round hole. :-) John is curious, not about the beginning of the universe, or a creator, per se, but the mechanics of the beginning of *the manifestation* of the universe. In other words, *he already recognizes the infinite nature of the universe*, and is trying to account for the 'something from nothing' phenomenon. Seems obvious that the universe, like everything within it, is not eternal, in its physical form - it grows, lives, and dies, like everything else - but the energy continues, unchanged. John is curious about what happens to the energy, when it is no longer obvious. So his discussion points are a little more subtle than your old, 'creator, or not' question. IOW, your 'answer' has nothing to do with his question, unless the mechanics of the creator are assumed to be exactly the same, as the mechanics of the creation of the universe. This is a really nice answer and I appreciate your ideas here, Mac. To imagine the existence of the Universe as having a beginning, a middle and an end is hardly anthropomorphic. (And perhaps only our physical bodies are bound by this, not our consciousness.) And certainly, as you point out Mac, stars and planets and galaxies (the physical aspect of the Universe) have beginnings and middles and ends so then the question is really about Creation as a whole and that would be Creation as both physical and as consciousness. No one can, as of yet, answer the question to anyone's satisfaction - can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Creation has no beginning (as bawee asserts so positively) or, in fact had a start somehow and that it will have an end, or perhaps will go on forever now that it exists. Bawee's little snippet here is nothing if not a brick wall thrown up in the face of John who is merely speculating. Bawee has to insult him and tell him he is wasting his time because, after all, bawee knows the truth behind this mystery of the Universe and Creation. It always amazes me how terrible a conversationalist bawee is (and yes, in this case it is all about bawee). He does not live to learn and come to know, he already has the answers and to all the others out there who don't hold the same viewpoint as he does he feels sorry for them and dismisses their 'stupidity' as some sort of proof of cultishness or having been brainwashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : John, with all due respect, your question seems to be asked from the perspective of someone who cannot conceive of eternity. It seems to be based on the anthropomorphic projection that because we had a beginning and an end, so must the universe. If you hold -- as I do -- that the universe is eternal and was never created, there is no need to waste time postulating a creator. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time Professor Robbert Dijkgraaf from the University of Amsterdam presented a lecture about the current developments in physics. In order to easily understand this presentation, the slogan to remember is, It is bit. The lecturer was saying that the universe (it) began as a burst of information (bit). He seemed to imply that our universe
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience
Very cool! Thanks Barry. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Just another illusion propagated by people who make money off the deal. Compare and contrast: New York City Vastu Barcelona Vastu Texas Vastu Dutch Vastu Bourtange is a village with a population of 430 in the municipality of Vlagtwedde in the Netherlands. The star fort was built in 1593 during the Eighty Years’ War when William I of Orange wanted to control the only road between Germany and the city of Groningen. Bourtange was restored to its mid-18th-century state in 1960 and is currently used as an open-air museum. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Evidently it is felt that bad orientation could be dangerous. Housing prices in the USA now are fluctuating widely based on entry orientation. Apparently realtors in NYC of necessity have to be facile in both vastu and Feng Shui to close on real estate deals. Well, they clearly are behind the times [in the Netherlands] and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Subject:[FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Joy Of Typing
On 6/21/2014 9:29 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think this is a great essay. But then, I type fast. This subject has come up before. I took /Speed Typing/ in High School and /Keyboarding//1, 2, and 3/ at a community college. I've been playing /Letter Invaders/ for a few years to increase my typing speed. Most positions in business, such as administrative assistant, require the candidate to be able to type at least 55 words per minute, which is quite fast if there are no errors. I knew a guy once who was a temp working in IT who could key in 100 WPM, but he was a gamer and an avid chat room participant too. The best keyboards for Windows 8 fast typing are standard keyboards with mechanical key switches. Some of the worst keyboards are found on small laptops. It's almost impossible to perform very fast keying on a laptop sitting at a crowded cafe when you've been drinking a lot of cheap wine and smoking weed and trying to check out the women at the same time. I mean, the guy I knew that typed so fast was a nerd, /but not that nerdy in public./ Go figure. The Top 10 Best Keyboards: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380376,00.asp https://medium.com/message/the-joy-of-typing-fd8d091ab8ef
Re: [FairfieldLife] A moving experience
The refuse service is having it's yearly clean up day this Tuesday for me. I've been busy with projects but hope the next few days to fill a few bags of stuff to leave out on the curb. Last year I cleaned out my garage of quite a bit of stuff this way. I also have guests visiting next month so it is well time to tidy up a bit and I would also like to spartan up the place just for more roominess and readiness in case I want to sell since housing prices are climbing again. On 06/21/2014 05:07 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Joy Of Typing
On 6/21/2014 9:41 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: When I was in high school in the 60s, I was in the college prep track and usually we didn't taking a typing class. But for some reason I now can't remember, I took such a class in my junior year. And now I'm really glad that I did. That's what I'm saying. My Speed Tying class was when I was a Junior in HS. In my senior year, I took Bookkeeping, which I'm glad I did because that helped me when I took College Accounting at the community college. These are required courses at most business colleges these days. Almost all students in college are required to complete a basic computer course that includes Microsoft Office. https://www.alamo.edu/main.aspx?id=1539
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
Share, The dark night of the soul is strictly a form of Roman Catholic emotional angst. It is symptomatic of R.C. belief in the unredeamable corruption of human nature by original sin. This leads pious individuals to feel emotionally barren when they are emotionally distant and uninvolved with their concept of god's presence and likewise their belief in god's stark absence. I was taught a long time ago by the Orthodox that this idea was a consequence of R.C. theology's sin-guilt-redemption dialectic. Contrary to this, the Orthodox see the radiant light of Mt. Tabor as the prototype for human experiences of god. I wondered if the Orthodox had now formulated an official statement about it but it isn't even searchable on Orthodox Wiki. Dark Nights are psycho-dramas for a Roman Catholic's sinful I,I You otta feel shame, guilt and nihilistic rage at yourself for even having an I. After all, this is the very corruption that killed Christ ... and you, Share, now personally murder and crucify Him every morning you wake up as yourself. Won't you abandon this Ecumenical satanism you so blithely declare and stand up, stand up for Jesus blah, blah!
[FairfieldLife] A homage to meditation
Just me, myself and I and a little scribbling notebook in a wee corner of virtualosity. http://soundofstillness.net/ 'verbum sat sapienti' And still waitin' in the hood for Mr. E Tolle to reappear to give him a little lesson in gasping for air on the tennis court, just cause he said he had a little fantasy about playing at Wimbledom. My ma always said I was a shite disturber.
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
emptybill, I just googled on jewish dark night of the soul and there it is, in their mystical tradition! Which lead me to think about human archetypes such as the hero's journey. Isn't there always a descent into the underworld? I think that would suffice as a dark night of the soul. Plus when people go on vision quests, isn't there always a moment when all seems lost, when the person gives up, etc? Also a kind of dark night of the soul. I'm just saying, I think it's a universal human experience but maybe the RCs came up with the meme y name! On Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:27 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, The dark night of the soul is strictly a form of Roman Catholic emotional angst. It is symptomatic of R.C. belief in the unredeamable corruption of human nature by original sin. This leads pious individuals to feel emotionally barren when they are emotionally distant and uninvolved with their concept of god's presence and likewise their belief in god's stark absence. I was taught a long time ago by the Orthodox that this idea was a consequence of R.C. theology's sin-guilt-redemption dialectic. Contrary to this, the Orthodox see the radiant light of Mt. Tabor as the prototype for human experiences of god. I wondered if the Orthodox had now formulated an official statement about it but it isn't even searchable on Orthodox Wiki. Dark Nights are psycho-dramas for a Roman Catholic's sinful I,I You otta feel shame, guilt and nihilistic rage at yourself for even having an I. After all, this is the very corruption that killed Christ ... and you, Share, now personally murder and crucify Him every morning you wake up as yourself. Won't you abandon this Ecumenical satanism you so blithely declare and stand up, stand up for Jesus blah, blah!
Re: [FairfieldLife] End of Space and Time
On 6/21/2014 10:05 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, what the great religions did know about is the dark night of the soul. And I'm theorizing that that definitely has something to do with one's shadow and its emergence from, well, the shadows! In Plato's allegory of the cave, the shadows cast on the wall are illusions. When you leave the cave you can see the light of the sun, that is, illumination. The light of the sun is analogous to the Light of Gnosis, /Transcendental Knowledge/. Thus in Plato's allegory there is a dualism - the shadow world and the world of forms, which lie behind the appearance of the shadow world. The shadows are similar to the illusion cast by maya and the Light is the Absolute. Apparently, Plato drank deep at Indian wells. Go figure. We know Plato mainly through his description of the Forms and with the /Allegory of the Cave/ a very powerful metaphor. As you may recall, Plato's allegory of the cave consists of a description of men and women who sit inside a cave facing a wall with a fire burning behind them. As they sit, they see shadows on the wall as forms pass between the fire and the wall. ALL the people look at the shadows, which they take to be the Real. What is this theory of forms? First, it is an answer to the challenge posed by the twin hypothesis that everything changes and that nothing does - that there must be an unchanging form if anything is to change at all. According to Plato, we must already know a great deal that we cannot wholly describe. /T//his being so, maybe the comic anecdote about Thales was correct: Watching the sky he fell into a well; or perhaps he prognosticated a bumper crop./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:59 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/20/2014 7:38 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com mailto:fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, it is similar to the difference between a person being asleep or awake - all energy in either potential, or active form. Even more intriguing to me, is the idea of detectable, but unobservable, 'dark matter', which is supposed to account for far more of the universe's energy, than the manifested bits we can see. In a sense we are all asleep - /no one can see the totality of existence/. We are awake most of the time but we can only perceive a very small part of the universe with the human eye or even with instruments. And, there seems to be a parallel universe inside our own minds that we can only get glimpses of. It may be that there is dark matter out there in the universe, but there could also be dark matter in our own brains. The universe out there may just be a shadow of what's inside our own minds. The 'shadow' is something the Perennial Philosophy of the world's great religions NEVER knew about. No mystical literature or scripture from any of the world's religions (both great and small) even realized human beings could and did hide significant aspects of their being and project them outward so as not to be seen... - T. J. Melody 'No Boundary: Eastern and Western Approaches to Personal Growth' by Ken Wilber Shambhala, 1979 Amazon review: http://tinyurl.com/plbuc96 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, You understood the points precisely. In my first viewing of the clip several months ago, I didn't understand it completely. After viewing it the second time, I understood the implications of the professor's ideas. Hence, I posted the clip for everyone to comment on. But here's another clip from Leonard Susskind, a Stanford University professor, which discusses points that touch along the lines of Dijkgraaf's presentation. Both discuss the storage of information inside the black hole that is similar to a hologram. However, Susskind's ideas have a different twist to it. He states that the universe's expansion is the reverse dynamics that occur in a black hole. He's implying that information is stored as well when the galaxies disappear from our line of sight horizon due to their expansion at the speed of light. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are trying to force your square peg, into a round hole. :-) John is curious, not about the beginning of the universe, or a creator, per se, but the mechanics of the beginning of *the manifestation* of the universe. In other words, *he already recognizes the infinite nature of the universe*, and is trying to account for the 'something from nothing' phenomenon. Seems obvious that the universe, like everything within it, is not eternal, in its physical form - it grows,
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
The sanskrit word shaktim means power not energy. It you stand next to someone with charisma during the time they are interacting, you may feel a type of power. However, it may also disappear when they are not interacting - which makes them seem quite ordinary. Buddhism has a better term ... kalyânamitra translated as spiritual friend. It is NOT a term for guru who can be a simply a mentor or a tyrant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Joy Of Typing
Richard, I read your post and was wishing for a computer class. Then I returned a dvd to the library and guess what? They're offering free computer classes every Tuesday! On Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:20 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/21/2014 9:41 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: When I was in high school in the 60s, I was in the college prep track and usually we didn't taking a typing class. But for some reason I now can't remember, I took such a class in my junior year. And now I'm really glad that I did. That's what I'm saying. My Speed Tying class was when I was a Junior in HS. In my senior year, I took Bookkeeping, which I'm glad I did because that helped me when I took College Accounting at the community college. These are required courses at most business colleges these days. Almost all students in college are required to complete a basic computer course that includes Microsoft Office. https://www.alamo.edu/main.aspx?id=1539
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
Psst! Empty, Indians don't take terms quite that literally. That's a western academiist trait. ;-) On 06/21/2014 11:03 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The sanskrit word shaktim means power not energy. It you stand next to someone with charisma during the time they are interacting, you may feel a type of power. However, it may also disappear when they are not interacting - which makes them seem quite ordinary. Buddhism has a better term ... kalyânamitra translated as spiritual friend. It is NOT a term for guru who can be a simply a mentor or a tyrant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
Can you pronounce Neo-Kabbalah? No pious Jew needs a dark night of the soul. They have something more stark and terrible ... the Shoah.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: End of Space and Time
On 6/21/2014 5:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: If you answer Yes, then you have to admit that in such a case there is no need to search for proof of a first creation, because there wouldn't have ever been one. The universe as we know it is based on cause and effect. For something to happen there has to be a cause. You can test this every day. Nothing that we know of can avoid the law of action and reaction. In simple terms for a person of your education whatever goes up must come down. The question is - /what is the First Cause?/ If there is causation and we experience it every day, it stands to reason that there must have been a first cause. All events happen due to causation, in which case all relative conditioned reflexes depend on prior events - simply put - this because of that. Just like in billiards, where physics rules and gravity sucks. According to Fuerstien, there are NO exceptions to the law of causation, which is the causal nexus - an infinitely complex network of conditions. In Asian cosmology, all things happen for a reason - karma; there are no chance events; and no events are spontaneously self-generated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
Yup, it's the actual meaning of the term in Sanskrit. And talking about The Indians is about as meaningful as talking about the The Americans. Yer one, I'm one, so we can only all talk and mean the same ... right? Oh ... I mean ... left!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
On 6/21/2014 1:03 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The sanskrit word shaktim means power not energy. It you stand next to someone with charisma during the time they are interacting, you may feel a type of power. However, it may also disappear when they are not interacting - which makes them seem quite ordinary. Buddhism has a better term ... kalyânamitra translated as spiritual friend. It is NOT a term for guru who can be a simply a mentor or a tyrant. There is no shakti power in Tibetan Buddhism. Your teacher may have been confused. As a Buddhist tantric you would be knowing that there's no shakti mentioned in Tibetan Buddhism. According to my guru, The Lama, there is wisdom and means; male - female polarity, but the female is the wisdom aspect and the male aspect is means, represented by the Tibetan vajra and bell respectively. The vajra is representative of upaya (skilful means) whereas its companion tool, the bell which is a female symbol, denotes prajna (wisdom). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra
[FairfieldLife] Wal-Mart takes India
Had to happen sometime: http://www.forbes.com/sites/barbarathau/2014/06/20/walmart-targets-indias-business-owners-with-new-best-price-warehouse-club-site/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Iraq Can Win Against ISIS
On 6/20/2014 4:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you think they might use any of that money to carry out terrorist activity? They will probably buy a few Apple iPhones and give the rest back to the bank. On Friday, June 20, 2014 10:50 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It's going down now. The fact is, we cannot win in Iraq against ISIS because we gave up and pulled out what was a war that we had already won. There is going to be hell to pay in Washington when the lights go out in Baghdad and the 5,000 Americans are killed or captured inside the city. How much ransom will the U.S. pay? Apparently ISIS doesn't need any cash since they just looted the bank of 2 billion dollars in gold and currency. According to what I've read, ISIS has taken the largest oil refinery in Iraq. They now control the source of fuel and the power-grid in Baghdad. It looks like a massive siege - it will only be a few days until they take the Baghdad airport. It's over - we might as well face the reality. Go figure. 'Islamic Army of Iraq founder: Isis and Sunni Islamists will march on Baghdad' The Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/lkd2to5 On 6/19/2014 8:44 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com mailto:fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: jr, I don't know a lot about the Middle East - obviously they are in a cycle where no one can let go of any feelings, and they also have the problem of tribal people, being forced into political boundaries, by former colonial powers. Add oil, and the place is continuously explosive. Obviously the US is there, mostly for weapons testing and sales of more weapons. Also, given our political status in the world, we have the role, unfortunately, of world policeman. We currently produce enough oil to meet our needs, if we didn't export a lot of it, so no need for us to protect resources that we have plenty of, at home. One thing the US is *not* doing, is spreading freedom and democracy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, There's a perpetual cycle of violence involved in the Middle East culture. You can trace this trend back to the Biblical times. Is this the karmic characteristic of the people there? Nonetheless, the Pope attributed the religious violence there to fundamentalism. This is the fanatical belief that one's interpretation of the sacred book, whether Jewish, Christian or Islamic, is the only truth. IMO, there is an underlying motive to the violence there. It's not only fundamentalism, but it's the struggle for power and money cloaked under the cloth of religion. This could be the reason why the Bible had the story of the Flood, which states that God was angry with the type of people that populated the earth at that time. So, except for the family of Noah, He destroyed the earth by water. That's something to think about. Hello, global warming? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I heard on the news, from a soldier serving in the Middle East, that they count on creating at least two enemies, for every one killed. So the short term slaughters may help briefly, until the family and community of the slain fighter gets involved. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Obama and his generals most likely have already thought of this strategy. If not, they should be fired. Here are the steps: 1. When ISIS start the attack of Baghdad, let the Kurds from the north take over the town of Mosul to cut-off the supply route of ISIS. Also, let the Kurds seal off the main border town next to Syria to prevent any reinforcements of ISIS. 2. Request Assad to attack the ISIS stronghold in Syria. 3. Request Iran to patrol its borders to ward-off any insurgents to infiltrate Iraq from the east. If need be, their troops can move in to towns east of Baghdad if ISIS attack from the east. 4. Have the American special forces monitor the Iraqi troops in Baghdad to make sure that they hold their positions and fight ISIS who should be attacking from the main route to Mosul. 5. Have American drones patrol the movements of the insurgents in the main highway from Mosul. 6. Have American warplanes attack the ISIS convoy during their siege of Baghdad. The main idea is to isolate the attacking forces of the insurgents and be pummeled by American aerial attacks and bombings. IMO, this would demoralize the insurgents and flee for cover. A victory against the insurgents will definitely boost the morale of the Iraqi people and its government.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
If I had meant Native Americans instead of Indians I would have said so. The way you bandy about Sanskrit terms on FFL it's as if you are trying to impress folks here that you know something. But this is what you criticize Richard for doing. Hint, most people on FFL could care less if you know Sanskrit terms or not. I will only mention a few and mostly ones that folks here know the meaning. On 06/21/2014 12:14 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yup, it's the actual meaning of the term in Sanskrit. And talking about The Indians is about as meaningful as talking about the The Americans. Yer one, I'm one, so we can only all talk and mean the same ... right? Oh ... I mean ... left!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual “Energy Work”
On 6/20/2014 11:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: They smell the heady aroma of sheep, willing to be fleeced. Just this morning on /Good Morning America/ they were talking about meditation - it looks like Dan Harris is a TMer. What's funny is that MJ seems to be always on the wrong side of history. TM is more popular now than ever. I wonder why is it that some people just want to be losers? Go figure. *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 7:16 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Spiritual “Energy Work” It seems some awakened 'pietist' people are discovering Fairfield, Iowa from Rick Archer's Batgap.com interviews. I see by the recent advertisements in the /Fairfield Weekly Reader /that energy healers from afar are more commonly introducing themselves to Fairfield. In recent weeks and months several of Rick's guests who are healers seem to be testing the Fairfield market. What they may not realize in coming from the outside is that it is a very complex calendar of spiritual things going on here. So much to do spiritually, and so little time! Fairfieldlife, -Buck Subject heading was: Human Spirituality and Collapse of the Wave Function Cardemaister, Ohhmm that voltage of the [spiritual] heart! This is really an important post you offer here. This spiritual 'heart of the matter' that you offer here actually seems to be where much of the meditating community has gone on to with all of its satsanga here otherwise. It is a lot of a reason inside the Dome that the numbers languish so. But apparently Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and John Hagelin are together in Europe. As scientists and spiritual people my bet is that the TM research will swing to study this aspect of the heart system in spirituality. That evidently is where the cutting edge of science and spirituality is. Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and John Hagelin are people of great heart. We will see a change of spiritual front coming out of the head and in to the heart around this lead by these two of great science. The whole subtle system is where it is going. Spirituality evidently is way more than just transcending. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Yep; this is really a Brilliant presentation of all that is modern in the world. Now we are getting to the apex of Knowledge in the world. Is a Powerfully present model of spirituality and spiritual progress ultimately being in the refinement of bio-consciousness in the human body-mind complex. 100Mv or more, should be the battle cry of the forces of illumination over the dullness of egnorance! May the Force of the Unified Field be with You! !Power to the People with more science education and meditation and spirituality everywhere! -Buck in the Dome Dear FFL, Let's change the original subject heading of this thread. Yogic flying seems way too inflammatory and distracting to have in a discussion like this. To be helpful to the larger subject I am going to drop the 'YF' from the subject line on this thread. This thread deserves to be much more than that. Heck, both Patanjali and our own Guru Dev Brahmananda Saraswati themselves dissuaded people from pursuing sidhis. !OMG-the-Unified Field! Bio-consciousness, and the human body voltage of the heart in the soularplex of human spirituality. The opening Conspiracy theory aside and and also the announcer- documentary voice tone with tension of the music score of the video aside, what a fabulous Sunday morning video to watch. The straight ahead fusion of science-based-evidence, theory and spirituality experience will certainly drive the FFL meditation and spirituality haters here nuts. But the subject title of this thread is not encompassing enough. This is way more than YF as the video presents It. TM and patanjali in the TM-sidhis are certainly good introductions but as this video argues in presentation, they are only the start. I should like to hear, Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam elaborate and elucidate more on this the next time he is visiting us in Fairfield. -Buck Cardemaister Offers: Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VIBRATIONAL BEINGS.Law of attraction/vibes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary.WE ARE VI... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A TAKE YOU POWER BACK AND BE IN CONTROL OF AND CREATE YOUR LIFE! LINKS UPDATES! (^_^)/ as of April 2014 effective and simple! ALL THE INFO B... View on youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpCKZ7cEoYlist=FLJq4dWKwstYaCOzEgEWZU-A Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] A moving experience
On 6/21/2014 7:07 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras. Speaking of packing, we recently sold our house and moved to an apartment. We had hundreds of books, tapes, audio CDs and movie DVDs that we got rid of, as well as van-loads full of clothing and other stuff we didn't really need anymore. We had a lot more than a few bicycle rides could deliver, so we used our van. But, you forgot to mention the furniture, the stove and refrigerator and the washer and the dryer. Apparently you don't use these items over there, so let me explain their usefulness: /A stove/ is nice so you can cook your food at home instead of eating out at cafes all the time. These days we prefer electric stoves, but we've also used gas ranges. They come in very handy to cook turkeys in the oven for example. /A refrigerator/ is a cool appliance to have, to keep beer and wine cold. You can also put things in it like milk, meat, vegetables and cheese. /A washer and dryer/ are really convenient for washing clothes and drying them quickly. That way, you don't have to lug a big huge bag of dirty clothes down to the local coin-op every week and hang around inside a laundry for hours. /A chair or two/ is a nice thing to have - we like ones that are comfy with cushions on them. We also have some straight back chairs in the dinning room. We also like to have a /table for eating meals/ - it's so much better sitting up at a table than eating sitting on the floor. Speaking of living in a house: We are both really fond of /central air conditioning and heat/ using a thermostat. /Running city water/ and a /water heater/ are good things to have too. That way you don't have to carry water jugs home every day and you can use a toilet for flushing into a sewer instead of a canal or a nearby river. For me personally, I am fond of curved a driveway in the front of the house and an attached double garage. But, that's just me. We still have Dad's house out on the lake to go to if we want to be in a real house for awhile. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience
On 6/21/2014 8:03 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Doug, I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) Vastu is all about placement. If you don't have any photos to pin up or furniture to arrange in your house, you could use the mirror in the bathroom as your main object of positioning. Almost everyone in Europe has a family photo or a photo of one their children or a relative hanging on their wall or above the mantle and fireplace. Which wall will you hang a photo of Fred Lenz on? You probably have at least a wallet sized print, right? Assuming that you have an available wall in your bedroom; and assuming you get a bedroom of your own. *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:57 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience
On 6/21/2014 8:56 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just another illusion propagated by people who make money off the deal. That's the whole point of rental property - making money. You must get very annoyed at your neighbors in the duplex you rent. Sometimes people get angry when they realize that they've paid in rent the whole cost of the purchase price of the house they are renting - over the course of ten years. But, don't take it out on the owner! *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:44 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Proper Vastu and the moving experience Evidently it is felt that bad orientation could be dangerous. Housing prices in the USA now are fluctuating widely based on entry orientation. Apparently realtors in NYC of necessity have to be facile in both vastu and Feng Shui to close on real estate deals. Well, they clearly are behind the times [in the Netherlands] and evidently slow to adopt more scientific and modern ways. But, you did not even Feng Shui the place? -Buck turquoiseb writes: I can confirm that the housing in this town -- much of which dates back several centuries and is not about to concern itself with such trivia as which direction its main entrance faces -- does not give a shit about Vastu. Nor should anyone who wishes to ever be considered sane. My suggestion if that you wish to become rectified, you should visit your proctologist. It will cost less than its TMO counterpart, and will be less invasive. :-) * * * * *Subject:*[FairfieldLife] Vastu and the moving experience Om. Dear Turqb; Did you get the new place, rectified? You know, Spiritually fixed. Does it have an East entry or something less auspicious? Does Rental and housing price in the Netherlands fluctuate according to the direction of the home entry? -Buck turquoiseb writes: Some people hate moving. Packing up their belongings and moving to a new house is a major trauma event in their lives. Me, having done it so often, I kinda look upon it as a blessing. But then I've moved almost fifty times in my life, so I'm kinda used to it. For me, it provides not a trauma, but an *opportunity*. You get to go through your STUFF, and figure out how much of it deserves to become STUFF in your new house. It's a major opportunity for STUFF maintenance. Before the MGC starts rejoicing and saying, Great -- he's finally been thrown out of the Netherlands and has to move somewhere else, this particular move is only across Leiden, to a new house here. The owners of the house we currently rent are ending their tenure as diplomats in China and want to come back, so we've found another, nicer house about a kilometer away, still within the Leiden Centrum. And the new place is definitely nicer -- it's got a garden, a solarium in which to have outside dinners even on rainy days, and more usable space. We'll be happier there. But first comes the packing. And yes, that's sometimes a bitch, but I'm looking at it this time as an opportunity to divest myself of STUFF that has outlived its usefulness. My DVD collection, for example. I kept a few true collector's items, but either gave away or sold the rest of them. Movies are just too *available* online these days for me to have the need to carry around a bunch of boxes of DVDs. I just got back from biking a huge load of old, dead computers and electronics to the Recycle Center as well. After all, I still had two old computers of my own and three that used to belong to IBM but died on me, so they didn't want them back. I lugged them to the current place during our last move, just in case they changed their minds, but there is no need to do so again. So I wiped the hard disks (the IBM computers still had proprietary AI source code on them that I didn't want falling into the wrong hands), and dropped them into the Recycle Bin. Between the DVDs and the old-and-in-the-way electronics, I feel about 100 pounds lighter, and that weight might actually be accurate. Next I start on the books, and my other possessions. My rule is that if I haven't worn it or used it in the current house, I'm certainly never going to use it in the next one. I'm finding it almost a spiritual exercise, like using mindfulness to throw out old, outdated samskaras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Iraq Can Win Against ISIS
Maybe Bevan could hit them up for a major donation. On Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:32 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/20/2014 4:39 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you think they might use any of that money to carry out terrorist activity? They will probably buy a few Apple iPhones and give the rest back to the bank. On Friday, June 20, 2014 10:50 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It's going down now. The fact is, we cannot win in Iraq against ISIS because we gave up and pulled out what was a war that we had already won. There is going to be hell to pay in Washington when the lights go out in Baghdad and the 5,000 Americans are killed or captured inside the city. How much ransom will the U.S. pay? Apparently ISIS doesn't need any cash since they just looted the bank of 2 billion dollars in gold and currency. According to what I've read, ISIS has taken the largest oil refinery in Iraq. They now control the source of fuel and the power-grid in Baghdad. It looks like a massive siege - it will only be a few days until they take the Baghdad airport. It's over - we might as well face the reality. Go figure. 'Islamic Army of Iraq founder: Isis and Sunni Islamists will march on Baghdad' The Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/lkd2to5 On 6/19/2014 8:44 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: jr, I don't know a lot about the Middle East - obviously they are in a cycle where no one can let go of any feelings, and they also have the problem of tribal people, being forced into political boundaries, by former colonial powers. Add oil, and the place is continuously explosive. Obviously the US is there, mostly for weapons testing and sales of more weapons. Also, given our political status in the world, we have the role, unfortunately, of world policeman. We currently produce enough oil to meet our needs, if we didn't export a lot of it, so no need for us to protect resources that we have plenty of, at home. One thing the US is *not* doing, is spreading freedom and democracy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Fleetwood, There's a perpetual cycle of violence involved in the Middle East culture. You can trace this trend back to the Biblical times. Is this the karmic characteristic of the people there? Nonetheless, the Pope attributed the religious violence there to fundamentalism. This is the fanatical belief that one's interpretation of the sacred book, whether Jewish, Christian or Islamic, is the only truth. IMO, there is an underlying motive to the violence there. It's not only fundamentalism, but it's the struggle for power and money cloaked under the cloth of religion. This could be the reason why the Bible had the story of the Flood, which states that God was angry with the type of people that populated the earth at that time. So, except for the family of Noah, He destroyed the earth by water. That's something to think about. Hello, global warming? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I heard on the news, from a soldier serving in the Middle East, that they count on creating at least two enemies, for every one killed. So the short term slaughters may help briefly, until the family and community of the slain fighter gets involved. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Obama and his generals most likely have already thought of this strategy. If not, they should be fired. Here are the steps: 1. When ISIS start the attack of Baghdad, let the Kurds from the north take over the town of Mosul to cut-off the supply route of ISIS. Also, let the Kurds seal off the main border town next to Syria to prevent any reinforcements of ISIS. 2. Request Assad to attack the ISIS stronghold in Syria. 3. Request Iran to patrol its borders to ward-off any insurgents to infiltrate Iraq from the east. If need be, their troops can move in to towns east of Baghdad if ISIS attack from the east. 4. Have the American special forces monitor the Iraqi troops in Baghdad to make sure that they hold their positions and fight ISIS who should be attacking from the main route to Mosul. 5. Have American drones patrol the movements of the insurgents in the main highway from Mosul. 6. Have American warplanes attack the ISIS convoy during their siege of Baghdad. The main idea is to isolate the attacking
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[FairfieldLife] Biden the Seer?
He proposed in 2008 that Iraq should be divided along ethnic lines. Now it's coming true. This idea should resonate well with the American public. He may have strengthened his position as the next president of the USA. http://news.yahoo.com/biden-iraq-crisis-offers-timely-vindication-041239179.html http://news.yahoo.com/biden-iraq-crisis-offers-timely-vindication-041239179.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
You are starting to sound like Pundit Çur. Pssst ... classifying the Indians is about as convincing as generalizing about We Americans. I'm sure Indian Muslims would be wonder struck at the majesty of your generalities. If I had meant to talk about Native Americans, I would have used the proper tribal name ... Lakota Sioux, Apache, Cree, Cheyenne. I don't blame them for the mistakes of Columbus, et. al. in believing that the boat landings were upon the shores of India. I use Sanskrit terms to clarify the usual English equivalents that are often imprecise. You project it as trying to impress folks here that you know something because your ego apparently needs to measure itself. Pssst ... I could care less about your desperate ego needs or what irritates you about someone's post. Go see a psycho enhancer. You'll feel so much better.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What would a cool spiritual teaching be like?
How many years of training as a tantric do you have? Which tradition? On 06/21/2014 07:35 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are starting to sound like Pundit Çur. Pssst ... classifying the Indians is about as convincing as generalizing about We Americans. I'm sure Indian Muslims would be wonder struck at the majesty of your generalities. If I had meant to talk about Native Americans, I would have used the proper tribal name ... Lakota Sioux, Apache, Cree, Cheyenne. I don't blame them for the mistakes of Columbus, et. al. in believing that the boat landings were upon the shores of India. I use Sanskrit terms to clarify the usual English equivalents that are often imprecise. You project it as trying to impress folks here that you know something because your ego apparently needs to measure itself. Pssst ... I could care less about your desperate ego needs or what irritates you about someone's post. Go see a psycho enhancer. You'll feel so much better.
