[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away 
like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? 
 

 This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be 
that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and 
improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter 
at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to 
produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in 
the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent 
that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net.
 

 No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me 
time to get up to speed
 

 Damn, that's good!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, Maharishi 
told us all to take leave of our senses!

Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?   

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '

Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  

I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts of 
"me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't own 
a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.

Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  

In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  

I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just 
wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the 
Vlodrop movement.  Do they still have a public presence or are they 
underground? -Buck
 

 They are doing very well indeed:
 

 Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust 
http://www.meditationtrust.com/ 
 
 Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust 
http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable 
for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK & Europe
 
 
 
 View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the "siddhis". The 
TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they 
don't have a case.
 

 I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with 
the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was 
run then they were right to leave.
 

 Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was 
ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The "renegade" teachers 
were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told 
that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should 
surely come down to get more people to learn to "create the coherence to save 
the world". They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was 
on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat.
 

 The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, 
taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the 
TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still 
are.
 

 I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course 
he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been 
brainwashed by the movement "because they do that don't they". He denied any 
thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here!
 

 

 

 

 #salyavin808,
 Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally 
because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw 
as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.   
 Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching 
meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page 
at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well 
teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do 
you see there?
 I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the 
story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a 
scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his 
sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how 
Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson.
 Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a 
recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking 
from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time.
 Jai Guru Dev,
 -Buck in the Dome 
 

 

 mjackson74. wrote 
 

 I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al.
 

 Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the 
proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would 
affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay?

 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is 
the actual "correct" one that "nature" might support.
 

 Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works 
out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a 
reason why it didn't work. Again.
 

 But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together 
and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the "natural 
laws" of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of 
Scotland, painted blue of course.
 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they 
all vote a resounding "Yes!" and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and 
make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. 

 

 LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in 
Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are 
doing well and ar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 



  
I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, but 
the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of late. 
Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to the 
part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this argument 
to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not go into 
such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that the 
most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments.

"Most of the current crowd" doesn't have the attention span and intellect to 
read a comic book, much less something like this. I'll pass.  :-)

Besides, you know they'd never read it, because they'd be terrified of catching 
"atheist cooties"  and finding out how mindfulness really works.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 



  
It was delivered to my doorstep the other day and just a few pages I enjoy his 
writing style - he is clear and articulate and really nails things.  I will 
read it this weekend.

And Barry, as you know, he says there is no self (ha, we have been thru this 
many times)!!



 
Indeed. He seems to be a very strong personality, with a very strong sense of 
self, uh, saying there is no self.  :-)

Unlike some here, I don't have to agree with everything a writer says to like 
that writer...  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Duveyoung]

What the hell don't we understand about "this isn't about us" ? ? ?

I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me 
shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of 
us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods?  See 
someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a 
personality dynamic of a "knower of reality."  Geeze, learn a lesson from 
Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone 
on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, 
but . . . )

It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not.  What's 
important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at 
least registered here.  

Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of 
the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to 
formulate statements upon which we all can agree.  Instead, we get so much head 
bashing.  Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness 
of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here.  

If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be 
recorded.   

This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades.

Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's 
going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who 
the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the 
corner, eh?

Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to 
buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the 
corners of Rick's Place.  We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes 
flat once an A.I. god told us we were "special."  

Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here?

Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice 
about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 
100%.

Or the NSA.  No diff.  

I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the 
mast and the ship went down. 

And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the 
technique -- it just didn't pan out. 

 It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the 
universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no 
pizzazz and the audience evaporated.

Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say "fish," right?  You're 
mind readers! ! ! ! !





  

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Great Fairfieldlife Posting Race

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 7:03 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

   just checking...
 
 If I reply to every one of Richard's Posts, and then arbitrarily pick to reply 
to a few other people's posts, and start some old Topics, and then just hit 
"reply" without writing anything...
 
 ..do I win?
 
 Strategy check for mid-point assessment.

 

 Answer and question simultaneously: If you 'win' does everyone else lose?

 <
 There are six FFL informants who are over the weekly posting limits, according 
to Rick's old limit. Since there are no posting limits now, all those under 50 
messages are to be considered non-social - who can't even carry on a 
conversation exceeding 100 words per topic in a twelve hour period. Go figure.
 
 Any other things I should Post about?
 
 Anyone?




 >
 Where We Went
 What We Did Today
 What People Think
 What People Wear
 What People Eat
 Where People Go
 What People Don't Think
 Where People Live
 What People Are Doing
 What People Want

I'm sticking with the highlighted one for now. Why did you choose that?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish]

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Earl's letter

 

 http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html 
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html
 

 Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. 
If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this 
letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They 
were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were 
part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the 
things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: 
they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am 
in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and 
what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said 
about his own realization of his "enlightenment" it appears to closely jive 
with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I 
am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, 
apparently, me. 
 

 Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it 
is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM 
itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential 
and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to 
say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what 
they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize 
Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is 
he and his brother doing now?
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those 
who are jealous of it [ was Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish]
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in 
Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and 
ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in 
Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got 
a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS.
 

 Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real 
English life is all about.
 

 Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. 
In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl 
Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued 
doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong...

 

 Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself 
about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or 
anything relevant healthwise).
 

 I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that 
you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a 
continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so 
feel free to ignore this bit! 
 

 The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a 
third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should 
think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read 
it in the files section.
 

 I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. 
I'll report back. 
 


 

 
















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish]

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Earl's letter

 

 http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html 
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html
 

 Thanks so much MJ, I will read it now.
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those 
who are jealous of it [ was Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish]
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in 
Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and 
ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in 
Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got 
a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS.
 

 Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real 
English life is all about.
 

 Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. 
In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl 
Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued 
doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong...

 

 Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself 
about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or 
anything relevant healthwise).
 

 I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that 
you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a 
continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so 
feel free to ignore this bit! 
 

 The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a 
third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should 
think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read 
it in the files section.
 

 I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. 
I'll report back. 
 


 

 
















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Michael, you blind spots never cease to amaze. 

 Look at your weekly post count average.  Now figure that 9-1/2 out 10 of every 
one of your posts is a negative tirade against TM. You post probably 2 to 1 to 
my posts.  Maybe 3 to 1.  
 

 So, the numbers tell the tale of who is consistently stuck in repeat mode.
 

 And, really, I hate to point this, because it's quite embarrassing, but you 
spend hours a day in this endeavor.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When you stop repeating yourself for TM, I stop repeating myself agin it. Like 
most TM apologists, you fail to see how that which you criticize the most is 
exactly what you practice yourself. 

 

 
 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 
 
   

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You like him and it, so be it. But Edg and all the rest of us who are free of 
Movement crap and its lying leader are much richer, much better off than we 
were when we were TM junkies. Addiction to anything including TM is still 
addiction.

 

 You know Michael, you say this so often, I have to believe that maybe you are 
trying to convince yourself of it.
 

 Why would someone spend so much time and effort expressing this same sentiment 
if they really believed it?
 

 Wouldn't it be enough to say it a few times, and then move on.
 

 Perhaps you can answer that for me.
 
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 
 
   The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, 
and if we didn't understand something, we said so.
 

 So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge 
than a second grader.  Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a 
second grader, and legitimate, I might add.
 

 We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars.
 

 But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance 
to say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg"
 

 And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.
 

 Surprise!!
 

 not
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.










 


 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I suspect we might find the answer at the end of about six paragraphs.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote:

   WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY "WHAT EDG GOT?"  


 >
 It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. 
 
 It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his 
messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile 
priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a 
fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes!
 
 And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or 
what? Go figure.
 >
 
 I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me?  Up yours with a fence post 
for all the past shit you've tossed at me for "not getting it" when you're the 
FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs.
 
 Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I 
NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET...
 

 If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and 
then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video.  
I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a 
place to meditate, ya see?  I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in 
three places.
 

 Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES 
ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE.  Ya think I can put my body weight 
behind my jab?
 
 You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're  a fucking 
turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag.  I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND.
 

 My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would 
Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify 
for the "fluff" file.
 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

heavily addicted?  Michael, maybe get some help?   btw, this is not a 
question!!  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. 
You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 
 
   I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum 
like a five year old child.
 

 And was it a suggestion, or just a question?
 

 Look at your own spin.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM 
turns out. That is pretty low.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 
 
   Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  





 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote:

   WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY "WHAT EDG GOT?"  


 >
 It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. 
 
 It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his 
messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile 
priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a 
fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes!
 
 And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or 
what? Go figure.
 >
 
 I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me?  Up yours with a fence post 
for all the past shit you've tossed at me for "not getting it" when you're the 
FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs.
 
 Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I 
NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET...
 

 If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and 
then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video.  
I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a 
place to meditate, ya see?  I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in 
three places.
 

 Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES 
ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE.  Ya think I can put my body weight 
behind my jab?
 
 You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're  a fucking 
turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag.  I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND.
 

 My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would 
Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify 
for the "fluff" file.
 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You 
are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 


  
I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like 
a five year old child.


And was it a suggestion, or just a question?

Look at your own spin.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM 
turns out. That is pretty low.




 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof



 
Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
2000 initiations
3% of Napa taught
Many ATRs, many advance techniques
Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the 
center open.
Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke
war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999.
Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When you stop repeating yourself for TM, I stop repeating myself agin it. Like 
most TM apologists, you fail to see how that which you criticize the most is 
exactly what you practice yourself. 




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant  (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 


  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


You like him and it, so be it. But Edg and all the rest of us who are free of 
Movement crap and its lying leader are much richer, much better off than we 
were when we were TM junkies. Addiction to anything including TM is still 
addiction.


You know Michael, you say this so often, I have to believe that maybe you are 
trying to convince yourself of it.

Why would someone spend so much time and effort expressing this same sentiment 
if they really believed it?

Wouldn't it be enough to say it a few times, and then move on.

Perhaps you can answer that for me.



 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant  (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.



 
The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, and 
if we didn't understand something, we said so.

So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge 
than a second grader.  Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a 
second grader, and legitimate, I might add.

We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars.

But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance to 
say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg"

And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.

Surprise!!

not






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps."
But what you actually mean is "I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit 
and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump." 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah,
Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit
like it was caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam.

I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining 
and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into Advaita, I 
read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of 
how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  

We were fucking chumps.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, 
cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and 
in Asia for tens of years and it was OK.
 What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to 
something bigger, something greater. For some that "greater" was more personal 
power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity 
and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake 
hands with Godhead.  
 I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure 
you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma 
and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled.
 A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply 
done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 
expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they 
had not even imagined.
 

 I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness).
But speaking only for I, I got no complaints.
Maybe lower expectations?
 

 I see three factors contributing to how one feels about their TM experience 
if, in the end, they feel it was negative.
 1) the level of their expectations
 2) their personality and character that is unique to them
 3) the amount of time, energy and money they spent on all the things you can 
spend time, energy and money on with relation to the Movement.
 If you have the "perfect storm" of all three then you can end up with some 
individuals feeling pretty angry or contemptuous or downright murderous about 
it all. But, whether you are talking about a failed spiritual path or a failed 
investment strategy it still comes down to the choices and the character of the 
participant. This does not mean that there are not spiritual paths or 
investment opportunities that are scams and manipulative but it does mean that 
it takes at least two to tango.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 
I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots 
custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). 
My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest.

Big difference between us Edgy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Beautiful Michael. 

 I guess you just revealed your faux outrage to my question to Edg.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is this the big effort the Movement was putting on to address TM related 
suicides you were blabbering about Share?

 

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:56 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  




  



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like 
a five year old child. 

 And was it a suggestion, or just a question?
 

 Look at your own spin.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM 
turns out. That is pretty low.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 
 
   Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  





 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You like him and it, so be it. But Edg and all the rest of us who are free of 
Movement crap and its lying leader are much richer, much better off than we 
were when we were TM junkies. Addiction to anything including TM is still 
addiction.

 

 You know Michael, you say this so often, I have to believe that maybe you are 
trying to convince yourself of it.
 

 Why would someone spend so much time and effort expressing this same sentiment 
if they really believed it?
 

 Wouldn't it be enough to say it a few times, and then move on.
 

 Perhaps you can answer that for me.
 
 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 
 
   The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, 
and if we didn't understand something, we said so.
 

 So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge 
than a second grader.  Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a 
second grader, and legitimate, I might add.
 

 We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars.
 

 But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance 
to say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg"
 

 And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.
 

 Surprise!!
 

 not
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.










 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Is this the big effort the Movement was putting on to address TM related 
suicides you were blabbering about Share?




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?

Suicide Awareness Event • Fairfield, Iowa • September 7, 2014
 
   Suicide Awareness Event • Fairfield, Iowa • September ...  
Fairfield, Iowa, September 2014: Fairfield/Jefferson County Suicide Awareness 
Event Hosted by Fairfield Cares • i...@fairfieldcares.com Fairfie...  
View on youtu.bePreview by Yahoo
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
2000 initiations
3% of Napa taught
Many ATRs, many advance techniques
Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the 
center open.
Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM 
turns out. That is pretty low.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 


  
Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
2000 initiations
3% of Napa taught
Many ATRs, many advance techniques
Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the 
center open.
Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Edg is telling it like it was and it is. I understand the feeling that TM 
was/is good by some people's POV's, and to some degree or other that belief 
requires some compartmentalization.

You have to deny, ignore or revamp many events, speeches, activities and 
behaviors on the part of Marshy and the Movement to be able to still say "This 
is and was a good thing."

But doing so doesn't make it so. Whether in anger, disgust or any other emotion 
that comes up, those of us who have left the Movement have grown up and left 
the things of childhood behind. 


Marshy was a liar, bottom line. He lied about so many things and I understand 
that many feel the technique that he handed out was of benefit to them so they 
will ignore the lies, but some of us can't. Even where there was benefit it 
doesn't justify his and the Movement's behavior. 


Worst of all, he lied about what TM could do for the world. There will be no TM 
created world peace, no end of suffering for mankind via the Movement. That is 
a flat out lie and a fantasy. He said it to make himself important in his 
sycophants' eyes and to make money.

You like him and it, so be it. But Edg and all the rest of us who are free of 
Movement crap and its lying leader are much richer, much better off than we 
were when we were TM junkies. Addiction to anything including TM is still 
addiction.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant  (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 


  
The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, and 
if we didn't understand something, we said so.

So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge 
than a second grader.  Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a 
second grader, and legitimate, I might add.

We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars.

But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance to 
say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg"

And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.

Surprise!!

not






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam.

I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining 
and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into Advaita, I 
read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of 
how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  

We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 why don't you post a bit that you found particularly interesting, or worthy. 

 I'd like to see what you mean.
 
He means: 
 I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. he "shoots from the hip" 
in his writing, a lot like I do. 
 Sam's surfing is working just fine for me. Now that's a book I'll never read. 
And I am prolific in the genre.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 

 

 Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, 
he catches a wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it 
will. Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's 
surfing is working just fine for me. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 
 
   Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday
 

 It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
 

 Chapter 1: Spirituality
 Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
 Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
 Chapter 4: Meditation
 Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
 Conclusion
 

 There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.
 

 * supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
 

 

 An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:
 

 'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a novice is no less stark when it 
comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. But the qualifications of a 
teacher and the progress of a student are more difficult to assess.'
 

 And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:
 

 
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 
 
 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one Sam Harris, neuroscientist and 
author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a 
Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.


 
 View on www.samharris.org http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 


 









  

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Great Fairfieldlife Posting Race

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 7:03 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

   just checking...
 
 If I reply to every one of Richard's Posts, and then arbitrarily pick to reply 
to a few other people's posts, and start some old Topics, and then just hit 
"reply" without writing anything...
 
 ..do I win?
 
 Strategy check for mid-point assessment.


 <
 There are six FFL informants who are over the weekly posting limits, according 
to Rick's old limit. Since there are no posting limits now, all those under 50 
messages are to be considered non-social - who can't even carry on a 
conversation exceeding 100 words per topic in a twelve hour period. Go figure.
 
 Any other things I should Post about?
 
 Anyone?




 >
 Where We Went
 What We Did Today
 What People Think
 What People Wear
 What People Eat
 Where People Go
 What People Don't Think
 Where People Live
 What People Are Doing
 What People Want

I'm sticking with the highlighted one for now. Why did you choose that?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 13-Sep-14 00:15:02 UTC

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 oh fudgecake, its really THAT easy?! Oh, man, I really don't want to know, 
that all I ever had to do, is this: zshdbv;SHjdkHAC ;JKdhmjasn?Ln and hit SEND. 
 

 The raw visceral power is tempting, to get in it, to win it - a hundred posts, 
in a hundred minutes. Making Richard look like Steamboat Willie, to my Space 
Shuttle. Pulse increasing, adrenals at defcon 2 - Very tempting, though, oops, 
here comes Friday evening, bells, whistles, and all, so I may have to revisit 
this. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK, well I've got my eyes shut, my fingers in my ears, and am singing, "LA LA 
LA LA LA LA" in  a loud voice.
 
I can hear you!

That's a Post.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I'm just warming up...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away 
like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? 
 

 Damn, that's good!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, Maharishi 
told us all to take leave of our senses!

Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?   

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '

Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  

I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts of 
"me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't own 
a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.

Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  

In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  

I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 12-Sep-14 00:15:04 UTC

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

no sign of a drawl there
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/11/2014 9:37 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   and the New Yorker has maintained his lead, but not increased it.  If there 
is fatigue setting in, there's no sign of it.
 
 
 as we are approach the home stretch, it's a one and a half furlong lead by 
Dannyboy, followed by Punditster. 
 
 there has been a request for some background, or "color" on the two leaders.
 
 
 callers have been asking, "does the Punditster have a traditional Texas drawl?


 >
 No drawl - military brat 18 years.
 
 Wallah Speaks - Recorded on April 16, 2001 using Dragon Naturally Speaking:
 
 http://youtu.be/Of6HTfncgyY http://youtu.be/Of6HTfncgyY
 >
 
 
 does Dannyboy have a traditional New Yark accent?
 

 we'd have to hear from the participants directly on that.

 
 
 but back to the race
 
 
 what a second folks, the announcer just realized that's its nose to nose among 
the third place horses, with even the mid westerner showing a little strength.
 
 
 This is where the excitement has turned.  
 
 
 There is really no daylight between the two, and this third place finish is 
just too close to call.
 
 
 The pundits are talking now about time zone differences, and what factor they 
might play.
 Since that has come over the wires the betting pool shifted in favor of the 
South Carolinian.

 
 
 The BCer has been known to come on strong a little later in the race, but it 
could be too late.
 
 
 Folks this thing is just too close right now!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 How do I show modesty?
 
 Anybody?
 
 
 I personally think you're pacing yourself even though you're in the "lead". 
But Richard has a hell of a home stretch kick in him so keep looking over your 
shoulder 'cause if he has a mind to, he will pass you by and all you'll feel is 
the breeze of his passing.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:ffl.postcount@... wrote :
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?
 Suicide Awareness Event • Fairfield, Iowa • September 7, 2014 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.
 

 Surprise!!
 

 not"
  
 THAT was a nice dose of advaita, too (that-in-terms-of-this-of-course).
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, 
and if we didn't understand something, we said so. 

 So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge 
than a second grader.  Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a 
second grader, and legitimate, I might add.
 

 We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars.
 

 But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance 
to say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg"
 

 And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.
 

 Surprise!!
 

 not
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

why don't you post a bit that you found particularly interesting, or worthy. 

 I'd like to see what you mean.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 

 

 Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, 
he catches a wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it 
will. Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's 
surfing is working just fine for me. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 
 
   Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday
 

 It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
 

 Chapter 1: Spirituality
 Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
 Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
 Chapter 4: Meditation
 Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
 Conclusion
 

 There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.
 

 * supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
 

 

 An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:
 

 'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a novice is no less stark when it 
comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. But the qualifications of a 
teacher and the progress of a student are more difficult to assess.'
 

 And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:
 

 
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 
 
 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one Sam Harris, neuroscientist and 
author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a 
Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.


 
 View on www.samharris.org http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Edg, why don't you kill yourself?  Really, why not?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 13-Sep-14 00:15:02 UTC

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK, well I've got my eyes shut, my fingers in my ears, and am singing, "LA LA 
LA LA LA LA" in  a loud voice.
 
I can hear you!

That's a Post.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I'm just warming up...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Great Fairfieldlife Posting Race

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 7:03 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:


just checking...

If I reply to every one of Richard's Posts, and then arbitrarily pick 
to reply to a few other people's posts, and start some old Topics, and 
then just hit "reply" without writing anything...


..do I win?

Strategy check for mid-point assessment.


<
There are six FFL informants who are over the weekly posting limits, 
according to Rick's old limit. Since there are no posting limits now, 
all those under 50 messages are to be considered non-social - who can't 
even carry on a conversation exceeding 100 words per topic in a twelve 
hour period. Go figure.



Any other things I should Post about?

Anyone?


>
Where We Went
What We Did Today
What People Think
What People Wear
What People Eat
Where People Go
What People Don't Think
Where People Live
What People Are Doing
What People Want

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 13-Sep-14 00:15:02 UTC

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

OK, well I've got my eyes shut, my fingers in my ears, and am singing, "LA LA 
LA LA LA LA" in  a loud voice.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I'm just warming up...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do you expect, really to get an answer from Edg on this inconsistency?  Edg is 
cowardly in that way.  Doesn't like to answer when caught in a contradiction, 
or obvious falsehood.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you are speaking for yourself, why did you use the pronoun "we" instead of 
"I"? 

I disagree with you about training. I think the TM teachers were well trained 
and did a good job. For myself, I knew enough to teach the technique and 
explain it in a coherent way. I taught TM to several hundred people and never 
felt underprepared, although I am not going to play your game of defining 
terms. 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am speaking for myself, but of course?  You?

Of course, you're speaking for yourself too.  No choice in this, eh?

Meanwhile, you've ignored my main gripe -- that we were not trained well -- not 
even well enough to define our basic axiomatic words.

If you think you got more outta Maharishi's teachings, let's see ya define 
those words for all of us.

I will be over here breathing..not holding my breath that is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 13-Sep-14 00:15:02 UTC

[danfriedman2002]

 I'm just warming up...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The teachers that inspired others Edg spoke only from their own experience, and 
if we didn't understand something, we said so. 

 So, what if we were only fourth graders who had only a little more knowledge 
than a second grader.  Even that little bit of knowledge was impressive to a 
second grader, and legitimate, I might add.
 

 We weren't trained, or paid to be Vedic scholars.
 

 But, you're just trying to get rise out of people, and give Michael a chance 
to say, "atta boy Edg, tell it like it is, Edg"
 

 And, if you don't mind my saying, it looks like your latest interest, Advaita, 
is leaving you dissatisfied as well.
 

 Surprise!!
 

 not
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Sword of Xeno hangs over us...'O Canada!'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I can't help feel, but this change of status reflects positively on all 
of us somehow. 

 Today, we all have a little Canadian in us.
 

 I just hope Mr. Xeno, in a moment of frustration will not threaten,
 

 "Hey, you better shape up some, lest I relegate you back to the "fluff bin"
 

 He wouldn't do that, would he?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann: OK, I created a folder called Canada. Since you post a lot, I thought it 
best to be in your own folder. I am also in my own folder because I don't 
normally need to read what I wrote again.
 

 You have made my day, Xeno. I can't tell you the relief I feel having been 
removed from the "fluff" box. I will try harder to stay up to the "Canadian" 
standard of posting, you have spurred me on to be better.
 

 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I have been away for a few days and so did not finish my reply to your 
comments on my post, but I finally finished it, while the FFL forum has gone on 
to whatever else it has gone on to. Comments in the text. I almost missed your 
post because it was in the folder with Richard's oeuvre — difficult finding 
stuff in that folder — but someone responded to your post who was in one of the 
folders I am more likely to read. Thanks for taking time to write some 
responses that are not brainless one liners.
 

 And thank you Xeno, for engaging here. Although there is much I would differ 
on I usually appreciate your civil tone and seemingly unswayable even keel 
impression that you usually give in your writing. I am far more demonstrative 
and apparently animated in my style but you seem like a gentle soul and the 
world needs more of those. I would request, however, that you take me out of 
the "fluff" box because I just don't think it quite fits the description of who 
I am and what I write here. I'll get back to you with another descriptor once I 
think of one. Others, no doubt, could give you some ideas on that as well.
 

 
 


 Ann is a "Must Read".
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It was delivered to my doorstep the other day and just a few pages I enjoy his 
writing style - he is clear and articulate and really nails things.  I will 
read it this weekend. 

 And Barry, as you know, he says there is no self (ha, we have been thru this 
many times)!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

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[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I think you approached your life events in a very sensible way given the 
mind-set and group you were part of at that time.  You did all the "right" and 
smart things to get some answers given that paradigm.  Most of us especially 
when younger, need to belong to something and identify with some approach to 
life. The TM approach just happened to be not average and you could spend a lot 
of money doing it. But in more mainstream society there are many people who 
spend a great deal more money than you did - they buy fancy cars and big homes 
and take vacations and drink really expensive wine. They buy big diamond rings, 
etc etc.  At least your money and efforts went into trying to get some answers 
to important issues (altho you did not get the fun and frolic out of your type 
of spending, that is for sure).  Cut yourself some slack, Edg. That cancer 
diagnosis, though, really sorry to hear of that.  That would make anyone 
cynical.  YOu were taken advantage of.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann, I can't help feel, but this change of status reflects positively on all of 
us somehow. 

 Today, we all have a little Canadian in us.
 

 I just hope Mr. Xeno, in a moment of frustration will not threaten,
 

 "Hey, you better shape up some, lest I relegate you back to the "fluff bin"
 

 He wouldn't do that, would he?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann: OK, I created a folder called Canada. Since you post a lot, I thought it 
best to be in your own folder. I am also in my own folder because I don't 
normally need to read what I wrote again.
 

 You have made my day, Xeno. I can't tell you the relief I feel having been 
removed from the "fluff" box. I will try harder to stay up to the "Canadian" 
standard of posting, you have spurred me on to be better.
 

 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reading or Not Reading Posts
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I have been away for a few days and so did not finish my reply to your 
comments on my post, but I finally finished it, while the FFL forum has gone on 
to whatever else it has gone on to. Comments in the text. I almost missed your 
post because it was in the folder with Richard's oeuvre — difficult finding 
stuff in that folder — but someone responded to your post who was in one of the 
folders I am more likely to read. Thanks for taking time to write some 
responses that are not brainless one liners.
 

 And thank you Xeno, for engaging here. Although there is much I would differ 
on I usually appreciate your civil tone and seemingly unswayable even keel 
impression that you usually give in your writing. I am far more demonstrative 
and apparently animated in my style but you seem like a gentle soul and the 
world needs more of those. I would request, however, that you take me out of 
the "fluff" box because I just don't think it quite fits the description of who 
I am and what I write here. I'll get back to you with another descriptor once I 
think of one. Others, no doubt, could give you some ideas on that as well.
 

 
 


 Ann is a "Must Read".
 

 Blush
 
















 
























 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

or maybe we petition Brad O'Nash to make a formal apology to Michael. 

 To: Michael J.
 From: Brad O-N
 

 "Michael, I'm sorry that I said one time that your biscuits were burnt.
 And I'm sorry further, that I said I thought the ghee you made one time was a 
bit sour.
 I'm sorry I chided you for dropping the bread tray on the floor, when you said 
you were attending to a fellow kitchen member who had just cut her finger with 
a knife.
 

 For these and other transgressions on my part, I hope you will forgive me.
 

 Your Friend, 
 

 Brad O'Nash, aka "The Bradster""
 

 Do you think this will do the trick to make Michael feel not so aggrieved?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 7:16 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   I think you consider an internship with Jerry, Michael.
 
 
 Why don't you check it out.  Paid,or unpaid, I'd recommend it.


 >
 MJ should probably consult a cult-exit counselor first, at a free clinic, or 
at least send a note to Gina at TM-Free, BEFORE he gets an internship with 
Jerry. If MJ is going to be a double-agent informant, his boss John Knapp 
should probably be informed. 
 
 It's obvious that MJ is an informant - but it should be clear who he is 
working for if he is going to be allowed to post disinformation to FFL. 
 >
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 Jerry Jarvis told my friend Bill that he has Marshy's complete commentary on 
the Gita - he read some excerpts to Bill in several phone conversations he had 
with Jerry a couple months ago. One assumes Jerry had his own copy rather than 
his purloining Charlie's. 
 
 

 From: wgm4u  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:47 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 
 
   Firstly, it was never completed as far as we know.  We do know MMY did some 
translation sand commentarys of chapters 7-18 but we don't know which ones for 
sure and they were never published. The missing chapters of MMY's Gita were 
left in the hands of Charles Lutes and were mysteriously 'stolen' from him and 
have disappeared, presumably at least one person knows where they are (if you 
know let us all know).
 
 
 Secondly, and more importantly,  MMY never really unfolds the allegory that 
the Bhagavad Gita IS. MMY suggests in his translation that when Krishna advised 
Arjuna to "...rise and fight", it was talking about an actual war that occurred 
in India in long gone days.  (Think about how silly that sounds, a dialogue on 
an actual battlefield where Arjuna becomes self-realized and Krishna has a 
class on Indian philosophy, really??)
 
 
 That is incorrect, Vyasa's classic only uses that historical reference loosely 
to tell a more subtle esoteric battle, that is, the battle between good and 
evil waged on the field (kurushetra) of the body, mind and soul. Understanding 
the Sanskrit meanings of the words and characters in the script unfolds the 
esoteric meaning, only a really intuitive realized soul can properly understand 
Vyasa's meaning since Sanskrit words can have different meanings. MMY only 
refers to this connection, BUT HE NEVER UNFOLDS IT!  Why? probably because he 
had an *agenda* in writing the book and never intended to do a comprehensive 
analysis of it.
 
 
 He also said if *time permitted*, (what, he was 93 when he died) in order to 
do justice to the subject he'd have to do a commentary on the Gita in light of 
ALL six systems of Indian philosophy (Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Sankhya, Yoga...etc.) 
which would equal 24 commentaries...it never happened! Which is Absurd, IMO.
 
 
 Thirdly, even though TM is not taught in the context of Religion, is used to 
be! MMY said that TM is, I quote, "the greatest blessing of the Vedas", 
(The Vedas MMY) and that "all Religions come from the *eternal Religion* of the 
Vedas". (MMY The Vedas).
 
 
 The TM technique may not be a Religion, and like a steering wheel may not be 
called a car, it certainly is central to the functioning of a car. That is the 
relationship of the TM technique to Religion.
 
 
 The advanced chapters of the Gita were too Religious sounding for MMY, IMHO. 
For instance the title of Chapter 16v21 is, "The Threefold Gate of Hell", I 
wonder why MMY didn't bless us with his commentary of this chapter...hummm?
 
 
 
 




 
 











 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I really feel for you, Edg - Those are some tough times you describe, and a lot 
of damaged dreams.  

 I, too, went through my period of fundamentalism, where if I did all the right 
things, the result would be inevitable satisfaction, fulfillment, and endless 
bliss, like a mathematical formula. Our ego gets into this stuff, and makes it 
all seem like a simple prescription. But that is a lie - It is a lie, because 
we aren't simple. We are all infinite, and no matter how much someone else 
promises that they can deliver the infinite, to us, they cannot.
   I had a very full life before I learned TM, at 21. So, when I got deeper 
into it, and worked for the TMO and considered very seriously going on TTC, I 
also checked in with myself, a reality check, to see if what I was led to 
believe, matched with my reality (in the TMO). After awhile, it didn't, and I 
began finding my own way in the world, got married, career off the ground, 
daughter born. 
 

 I continued to do TM and TMSP, though my aim from then on, was to integrate 
fully whatever I was learning from my practice, without having a satellite TMO 
office to run off to, or any need to reinforce the TMO culture in my daily 
life. 
 

 That is the way it has been ever since, and my experience is that the more 
life opens up, the more that all that I have learned through TM is just a 
beautiful piece of that, private and unique, no more, and no less. Once it 
sorts itself out, it stops being a big deal, and just blends in.
 

 All the Best.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 6:34 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very 
sensible way. Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly 
spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger 
and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said 
he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are 
aware of your propensity for violence.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to 
Gandhi, "Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read 
my palm too!  GAWD.


Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on 
the jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying 
I never had anyone show me it does.


I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to 
various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex 
life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen 
attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the 
chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation.  Ya'd have 
thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit 
the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry when 
Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating 
thingie going on.


I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty 
good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed 
in my usually M.O.  But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !


Went to about six psychic types.

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address 
my negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking 
period thereall for naught.


Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to 
shove his hand inside me.


I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- 
special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my 
aura...what a relief, eh?


Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 
eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone 
to this "nurse" because that was her thang...spotting cancer.


So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling 
me if I make the least mistake.


For free!

How good is that!

I don't know how much kidding is in your voice when you write about 
getting support here on ffl, but I can say that talking things trrough 
often helps both parties. And here you have the benefit of many 
couterparties to engage with. Most here are pretty decent and would 
want to be supportive. I too sometimes kid about all this here, but 
the bottom line is, if you reach out, someone will break your fall. 
And pick you up for a walk together.


Try it. I know I get a lot from 'talking' to people here.

Give it a try,
Dan

>
Maybe he should go to see a /cult-exit counselor/ - someone who 
specializes in deprogramming people that are under mind control, like  
John Knapp at the TM-Free Blog. The first step in recovery is to admit 
you have an anger problem, according to Gina Catena.

>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 12-Sep-14 00:15:04 UTC

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

better than being "over toasted", right? 

 btw, Quizno's* has the best toasted sandwiches.  For some reason, I have a 
strong bias against Subway.
 

 Will go there, maybe once a year.
 

 yea, yea, I know they have gone bankrupt.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/11/2014 9:37 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   and the New Yorker has maintained his lead, but not increased it. 

 >
 You do realize you've just over-posted, right? LoL!
 >
 
  If there is fatigue setting in, there's no sign of it.
 
 
 as we are approach the home stretch, it's a one and a half furlong lead by 
Dannyboy, followed by Punditster. 
 
 there has been a request for some background, or "color" on the two leaders.
 
 
 callers have been asking, "does the Punditster have a traditional Texas drawl?
 
 
 does Dannyboy have a traditional New Yark accent?
 

 we'd have to hear from the participants directly on that.

 
 
 but back to the race
 
 
 what a second folks, the announcer just realized that's its nose to nose among 
the third place horses, with even the mid westerner showing a little strength.
 
 
 This is where the excitement has turned.  
 
 
 There is really no daylight between the two, and this third place finish is 
just too close to call.
 
 
 The pundits are talking now about time zone differences, and what factor they 
might play.
 Since that has come over the wires the betting pool shifted in favor of the 
South Carolinian.

 
 
 The BCer has been known to come on strong a little later in the race, but it 
could be too late.
 
 
 Folks this thing is just too close right now!
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 How do I show modesty?
 
 Anybody?
 
 
 I personally think you're pacing yourself even though you're in the "lead". 
But Richard has a hell of a home stretch kick in him so keep looking over your 
shoulder 'cause if he has a mind to, he will pass you by and all you'll feel is 
the breeze of his passing.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: We Were There

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We went back to the Apple Store today to get a Lightening adapter and a band 
for our iPod to turn it into wrist watch.  Also, we looked at a laptop for 
doing digital sound production using Avid Pro Tools.

Sooos were in  the Apple Store doing some impulse buying. The latest airbook 
gets on to my lovely wife's (who's too good for me, but I got lucky here) card.

Now the nerds are stuck with explaining what she's got here. After some time 
they request that we take a refund. The finger movements were WAY TO CRAZY FOR 
US. Who moves their fingers like that? It's unnatural.
 
 
 
 Apple iPod 6 Generatcion
 
 
 
 Apple Store at North Star Mall, San Antonio, Texas
 >
 
 We went to this place today to look for used books about digital sound 
recording.
 
 
 
 Half Price Books, San Antonio, Texas
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_Price_Books 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_Price_Books 
 

[FairfieldLife] The Great Fairfieldlife Posting Race

[danfriedman2002]

just checking...

If I reply to every one of Richard's Posts, and then arbitrarily pick to reply 
to a few other people's posts, and start some old Topics, and then just hit 
"reply" without writing anything...

..do I win?

Strategy check for mid-point assessment.

Any other things I should Post about?

Anyone?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 6:19 PM, feste37 wrote:

   Now, that's the old, foul-mouthed, abusive Edg that we all know and love. 
The suggestion that you are violent came not from me but from you. Don't you 
even remember what you posted? 
 
 Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away 
like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? 


 >
 HE WILL NEVER AGAIN BE ALLOWED TO LIVE OR WORK INSIDE A TM CENTER. 
 >
I Love our Center. There's been a long string, but maybe NYC has the longest 
continuous operating center. I get more respect there than I merit. Longevity. 
Like Union Rules.

P.S. The air conditioning beats home. I do miss the Global Financial Center. I 
also miss the bar that preceded it. I have nice memories of Bevan and I with 
nice deserts, while John tried to explain that MUM Board teleconferences were 
closed. Closed from whom? I got no secrets.

I think you know that.

Also, they're both near where I worked.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, Maharishi 
told us all to take leave of our senses!
 
 Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?   

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '
 
 Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  
 
 I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts 
of "me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't 
own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.
 
 Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.
 
 I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  
 
 In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  
 
 I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.
 
 Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   
 
 I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  
 
 I wore the Vedic gemsall that.
 
 I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good 
and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually 
M.O.  But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !
 
 Went to about six psychic types.  
 
 So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  
 
 Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove 
his hand inside me.
 
 I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 6:19 PM, feste37 wrote:


Now, that's the old, foul-mouthed, abusive Edg that we all know and 
love. The suggestion that you are violent came not from me but from 
you. Don't you even remember what you posted?


Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave 
yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you 
expect?



>
HE WILL NEVER AGAIN BE ALLOWED TO LIVE OR WORK INSIDE A TM CENTER.
>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, 
Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses!


Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I 
done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I 
don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of 
any worth?


Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, 
and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or 
will have?  Fucking turd!  '


Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. 
 We're all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. 
  And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?


I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with 
parts of "me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years 
old.  I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some 
sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be 
here with such obviously projected assertions.


Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss 
some shit at the fan here.


In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.

I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to 
pieces?







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very 
sensible way. Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly 
spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger 
and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said 
he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are 
aware of your propensity for violence.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to 
Gandhi, "Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read 
my palm too!  GAWD.


Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on 
the jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying 
I never had anyone show me it does.


I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to 
various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex 
life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen 
attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the 
chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation.  Ya'd have 
thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit 
the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry when 
Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating 
thingie going on.


I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty 
good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed 
in my usually M.O.  But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !


Went to about six psychic types.

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address 
my negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking 
period thereall for naught.


Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to 
shove his hand inside me.


I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- 
special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my 
aura...what a relief, eh?


Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 
eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone 
to this "nurse" because that was her thang...spotting cancer.


So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling 
me if I make the least mistake.


For free!

How good is that!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/12/2014 5:38 PM, Duveyoung wrote:

   No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, 
Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses!


 >
 The least you could do at this point is get out and vote and then stand behind 
your decision instead of throwing your leader under the bus and trying to put 
the blame on others.
 >
All of the candidates that I voted for in Tuesday's NY Primary lost. They were 
that Good. I still have a shot with the Green Party Howie Hawkins for Governor. 
NY Government is so corrupt that you can't even see thru the muddy water (and 
not the good Muddy Waters). I know that 1,000 people run NY. And I love busting 
their balls. Remember Bloomberg? Even his goons couldn't keep me from giving 
him a rash of shit. Punks.
 
 Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?  
 

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '
 
 Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  
 
 I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts 
of "me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't 
own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.
 
 Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.
 
 I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  
 
 In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  
 
 I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.
 
 Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   
 
 I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  
 
 I wore the Vedic gemsall that.
 
 I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good 
and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually 
M.O.  But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !
 
 Went to about six psychic types.  
 
 So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  
 
 Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove 
his hand inside me.
 
 I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.
 
 So I tried FFL.
 
 And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.
 
 For free!
 
 How good is that!
 









 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
Dear Dave,
 No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, Maharishi 
told us all to take leave of our senses!
But now you can do what you want to do. That's real freedom.
Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?   In a way you're 
100% correct. None of us can read anyone elses mind. On the other hand, I find 
that others can see me as I am 100% better than I can see myself. So, it's both 
"Be your own man" and "Listen to what they got to say". You can always dismiss 
it later.

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '
That's what I'm saying just now.
Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  
My Dad used to say "No one's getting out of here alive." He didn't mean it 
literally (although sometimes he did, a fairly dominant man), but rather, when 
life is over, who knows? As for knowing jack shit...I tend to agree with you on 
that.
I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts of 
"me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't own 
a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.
Enjoy! That's real freedom. I keep guns and mix it up too much. You should see 
my face now. I had to grow a beard so as not to scare people. If you got your 
looks keep em. The ugly guy is always starting because he's got nothing to 
lose. Don't play his game with him. Play your own.
Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  
Have fun with it all!
In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  
I love Walter Mitty! I mean Danny Kaye. I saw his movies and went to see him in 
person at Radio City Music Hall in my 20s. I was the only guy over 9 in the 
audience. I also love the Rockettes.
I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  
Be Pleased, it does tend to annoy others. How can you beat it?

See you around,
Dan



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "n

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 
I don't know how much kidding is in your voice when you write about getting 
support here on ffl, but I can say that talking things trrough often helps both 
parties. And here you have the benefit of many couterparties to engage with. 
Most here are pretty decent and would want to be supportive. I too sometimes 
kid about all this here, but the bottom line is, if you reach out, someone will 
break your fall. And pick you up for a walk together.

Try it. I know I get a lot from 'talking' to people here.

Give it a try,
Dan

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[feste37]

Now, that's the old, foul-mouthed, abusive Edg that we all know and love. The 
suggestion that you are violent came not from me but from you. Don't you even 
remember what you posted? 

Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away 
like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, Maharishi 
told us all to take leave of our senses!

Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?   

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '

Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  

I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts of 
"me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't own 
a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.

Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  

In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  

I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 5:38 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, 
Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses!



>
The least you could do at this point is get out and vote and then stand 
behind your decision instead of throwing your leader under the bus and 
trying to put the blame on others.

>



Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I 
done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I 
don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of 
any worth?



Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, 
and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or 
will have?  Fucking turd!  '


Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. 
 We're all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. 
  And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?


I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with 
parts of "me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years 
old.  I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some 
sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be 
here with such obviously projected assertions.


Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss 
some shit at the fan here.


In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.

I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to 
pieces?







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very 
sensible way. Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly 
spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger 
and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said 
he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are 
aware of your propensity for violence.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to 
Gandhi, "Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read 
my palm too!  GAWD.


Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on 
the jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying 
I never had anyone show me it does.


I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to 
various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex 
life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen 
attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the 
chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation.  Ya'd have 
thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit 
the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry when 
Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating 
thingie going on.


I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty 
good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed 
in my usually M.O.  But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !


Went to about six psychic types.

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address 
my negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking 
period thereall for naught.


Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to 
shove his hand inside me.


I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- 
special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my 
aura...what a relief, eh?


Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 
eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone 
to this "nurse" because that was her thang...spotting cancer.


So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling 
me if I make the least mistake.


For free!

How good is that!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 5:09 PM, feste37 wrote:


It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very 
sensible way. Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly 
spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger 
and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said 
he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are 
aware of your propensity for violence.



>
HE WILL NEVER AGAIN BE ALLOWED ON THE MUM OR MSAE CAMPUS OR THE PUNDIT 
COMPOUND.

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to 
Gandhi, "Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read 
my palm too!  GAWD.


Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on 
the jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying 
I never had anyone show me it does.


I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to 
various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex 
life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen 
attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the 
chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation.  Ya'd have 
thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit 
the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry when 
Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating 
thingie going on.


I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty 
good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed 
in my usually M.O.  But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !


Went to about six psychic types.

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address 
my negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking 
period thereall for naught.


Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to 
shove his hand inside me.


I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- 
special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my 
aura...what a relief, eh?


Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 
eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone 
to this "nurse" because that was her thang...spotting cancer.


So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling 
me if I make the least mistake.


For free!

How good is that!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just 
wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the 
Vlodrop movement.  Do they still have a public presence or are they 
underground? -Buck
 

 #salyavin808,
 Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally 
because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw 
as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.   
 Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching 
meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page 
at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well 
teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do 
you see there?
 I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the 
story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a 
scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his 
sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how 
Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson.
 Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a 
recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking 
from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time.
 Jai Guru Dev,
 -Buck in the Dome 
 

 

 mjackson74. wrote 
 

 I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al.
 

 Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the 
proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would 
affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay?

 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is 
the actual "correct" one that "nature" might support.
 

 Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works 
out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a 
reason why it didn't work. Again.
 

 But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together 
and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the "natural 
laws" of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of 
Scotland, painted blue of course.
 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they 
all vote a resounding "Yes!" and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and 
make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. 

 

 LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in 
Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are 
doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in 
Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home.
 

 I love Scotland too but I hope they vote "No" because the chaos for both 
countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They 
want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't 
raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting 
from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as 
the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want 
another broke country to bail out.
 

 If I lived there I would probably vote "Yes" though, just to not be ruled by 
from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment.
 

 This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland 
and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks 
and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the 
three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. 

 

 Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the 
proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, 
go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how 
many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a 
claim and get that fat purse.
 

 All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love 
the post.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Alright Sal, we all know that in a few days the Scots will vote on whether or 
not to form their own country. 

 

 Now forget all the nonsense about whether the country will prosper by itself. 

 

 The real question is: if the Scots create an independent country, wil

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Duveyoung]

No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way.  After all, Maharishi 
told us all to take leave of our senses!

Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck.  What have I done to 
you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally?  I don't know you; how 
in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth?   

 Get of that high horse.  Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and 
you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have?  
Fucking turd!  '

Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket.  We're 
all DUMMIES.  We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING.   And you're 
here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me?  

I've had my victories.  I have a good life now.  I struggle still with parts of 
"me."  I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old.  I don't own 
a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the 
community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously 
projected assertions.

Here, have a big plate of steaming shit.  Eat. It.

I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit 
at the fan here.  

In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE.  

I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF.  Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces?  




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 3:09 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the 
book, but the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has 
become FFL of late. Harris really has a gift for organising material. 
If you have gotten to the part in the 'self' section about using a 
transporter, I presented this argument to an initiator some years ago, 
and the response was, 'No I would not go into such a device'. Perhaps 
you could review the book here on FFL, not that the most of the 
current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments.



>
We read parts of the book yesterday at the Public Library. Harris makes 
a case for the value of "spirituality" based on his experiences in 
meditation. According to Harris, there is nothing about a brain, studied 
at any scale (spatial or temporal), even suggests that it might harbor 
consciousness. However, Harris does not endorse levitation claims.

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book 
myself. I'm enjoying it a great deal.


Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online 
articles or interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing 
style. And not just the clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of 
it, the *flow* of it. I get the feeling that he "shoots from the hip" 
in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, he catches a wave of 
inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it will. 
Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, 
Sam's surfing is working just fine for me.



*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion 
is now available as of Tuesday


It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is 
cogent and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought 
it today.


Chapter 1: Spirituality
Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
Chapter 4: Meditation
Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
Conclusion

There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as 
TM: Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear 
awareness), and of course it's free, and is the most researched 
meditation technique. It is a brief guidebook for spirituality for 
atheists, or anyone who does not buy the spiritual mumbo jumbo of 
metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose religious people 
could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. Unlike 
TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism 
is mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self 
with the capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific 
research into the nature of self, which does not appear to exist. 
Consciousness he seems to regard as a mystery, and the examples he 
gives, give one pause as to the strangeness of what we call our awareness.


* supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.


An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:

'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path 
is the basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If 
there are important truths to be discovered through introspection, 
there must be better and worse ways to do this — and one should expect 
to meet a range of experts, novices, fools, and frauds along the way. 
Of course, charlatans haunt every walk of life. But on spiritual 
matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be especially difficult to 
detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of the subject 
matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can immediately 
establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in turn, 
evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. 
All the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently 
hit the little white ball where you want it to go, you have something 
to learn from anybody who can. The difference between an expert and a 
novice is no less stark when it comes to recognizing the illusion of 
the self. But the qualifications of a teacher and the progress of a 
student are more difficult to assess.'


And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:

WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 





image 


WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 

Sam Harris, neuroscientist and author of the New York Times 
bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 2:18 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book 
myself. I'm enjoying it a great deal.


Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online 
articles or interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing 
style. And not just the clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of 
it, the *flow* of it. I get the feeling that he "shoots from the hip" 
in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, he catches a wave of 
inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it will. 
Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, 
Sam's surfing is working just fine for me.

>
According to Sam Harris, consciousness is the ultimate "woo woo", the 
ultimate mystery. Consciousness is the ultimate reality - without it 
people would not be conscious - there would be no perception. This is a 
dirt simple fact of life requiring no further proof.


No rational person would claim that don't exist, unless they were insane 
or demented - it's just not rational. We are conscious of ourselves 
enough to know that we exist and are self-conscious. We are our self and 
hardly anyone denies that they are sometimes self conscious.


/"No doubt that a great many atheists are not going to like this one 
little bit. After all, atheists can sometimes be as narrow-minded as 
believers. For many, spirituality is seen as practically equivalent to 
religion."/ - Robert Middleton


http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion/ 


>



*From:* "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion 
is now available as of Tuesday


It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is 
cogent and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought 
it today.


Chapter 1: Spirituality
Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
Chapter 4: Meditation
Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
Conclusion

There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as 
TM: Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear 
awareness), and of course it's free, and is the most researched 
meditation technique. It is a brief guidebook for spirituality for 
atheists, or anyone who does not buy the spiritual mumbo jumbo of 
metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose religious people 
could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. Unlike 
TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism 
is mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self 
with the capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific 
research into the nature of self, which does not appear to exist. 
Consciousness he seems to regard as a mystery, and the examples he 
gives, give one pause as to the strangeness of what we call our awareness.


* supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.


An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:

'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path 
is the basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If 
there are important truths to be discovered through introspection, 
there must be better and worse ways to do this — and one should expect 
to meet a range of experts, novices, fools, and frauds along the way. 
Of course, charlatans haunt every walk of life. But on spiritual 
matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be especially difficult to 
detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of the subject 
matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can immediately 
establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in turn, 
evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. 
All the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently 
hit the little white ball where you want it to go, you have something 
to learn from anybody who can. The difference between an expert and a 
novice is no less stark when it comes to recognizing the illusion of 
the self. But the qualifications of a teacher and the progress of a 
student are more difficult to assess.'


And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:

WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 





image 


WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 

Sam Harris, neuroscientist and author of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[feste37]

It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. 
Always looking to someone else for "answers," foolishly spending money. What a 
sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child 
whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local 
authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one 
predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, 
"Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  
GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The 5 Pandus were meant to represent the 5 lower chakras under the power of 
the soul and the 100 evil minded sons of Dhritarashtra were meant to represent 
all the vices man is subject to in life, Duryodana chief among them as Material 
Desire.
 

  Which came first? the war? or the allegory of man's spiritual quest? I think 
the later! Vyasa's Bhagavad Gita came first, the so-called war was added to 
tell the story!, get it?
 "The BG is the highest expression of devine intelligence understood by man. 
Dealing with the unseen aspects of life, it also touches on the past and 
present of the world of our daily life. Furthermore, the BG, while expounding 
universal Truth, is itself a historical record and relates incidents that took 
place five thousand years ago...
 

 "The BG forms the central core of Indian History, the Mahabharata...
 "It is regrettable that some modern commentators on the BG have followed in 
the footsteps of modern historians, and refused to admit its historic 
authenticity. It is hoped that the light will dawn and truth will be recognized 
as truth."
 

 MMY Commentary on BG

 The field of the body (kurushetra) is where the battle is fought between the 
evil and good tendencies (there's that duality again, God and the Devil). Hence 
the BG is as Religious as any Christian scripture.
 

 It's really a beautiful story that MMY really hasn't addressed, that wasn't 
his intention after all, but that's another story. Better get past 'the body' 
if you want spiritual progress.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, 
but the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of 
late. Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to 
the part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this 
argument to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not 
go into such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that 
the most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments.
 
Let's not pre-judge OK. Better to keep an open mind.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 

 

 Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, 
he catches a wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it 
will. Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's 
surfing is working just fine for me. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 
 
   Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday
 

 It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
 

 Chapter 1: Spirituality
 Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
 Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
 Chapter 4: Meditation
 Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
 Conclusion
 

 There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.
 

 * supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
 

 

 An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:
 

 'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a novice is no less stark when it 
comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. But the qualifications of a 
teacher and the progress of a student are more difficult to assess.'
 

 And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:
 

 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one Sam Harris, neuroscientist and 
author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a 
Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.


 View on www.samharris.org http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 12:55 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Regarding the Kurukshetra War


>
The Aryan-speakers invaded South Asia and started a long battle 
beginning in 1500 B.C. if not before. That's why they invented the 
chariot to be used in battle.


Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
Thread: Aryan Invasion Theory
Subject: Why on earth should hordes of mounted warriors have moved?
Author: will...@yahoo.com
Date: 04/07/2002
http://tinyurl.com/q2j3pgv

The BG is concerned with three constituents: rajas sattva, and tamas. 
The idea is to transcend these three qualities. According to MMY: /"The 
authorship of action does not in reality belong to the "I". It is a 
mistake to understand that "I" do this, "I" experience this and "I" know 
this. //All action is performed by the three gunas born of nature."/


The implications of these passages indicate that the nature of the mind 
is appreciated as it is, separate from activity. The "goal" of TM does 
not consist in gaining anything or reaching anything, but simply in 
recognizing what already is the case: that the "I" is essentially 
uninvolved with activity.


Here, the ONLY criterion is internal: the Self recognized as independent 
of action - /the causal nexus./


/"The Vedas concern is with the three gunas. Be without the three gunas 
O Arjuna, freed from duality, ever possesses of Self."/




>


-
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote :


You lost me at "According to Wikipedia"
-

Well, short attention span or reading problems, huh? How about 
Encylopaedia Britannica:


The Mahabharata is an important source of information on the 
development of Hinduism between 400 BCE and 200 CE and is regarded by 
Hindus as both a text about dharma (Hindu moral law) and a history 
(itihasa, literally 'that's what happened'). Appearing in its present 
form about 400 CE,the Mahabharata consists of a mass of mythological 
and didactic material arranged around a central heroic narrative that 
tells of the struggle for sovereignty between two groups of cousins, 
the Kauravas (sons of Dhritarashtra, the descendant of Kuru) and the 
Pandavas (sons of Pandu). The date for the war that is the central 
event of the Mahabharata is much debated, but it must have taken place 
sometime before 500 BCE.


Or from one of the many web pages on the subject:

Incidentally, the dating of the Mahabharat War has been a matter of 
challenge and controversy for a century or two. European scholars have 
maintained that the events described in the ancient Sanskrut texts are 
imaginary and subsequently, the Mahabharat derived to be a fictitious 
tale of a war fought between two rivalries. Starting from the so 
called Aryan invasion into Bharat, the current Bharatiya chronology 
starts from the compilation of the Rigved in 1200 B.C., then come 
other Ved's, Mahaveer Jain is born, then Gautam Buddha lives around 
585 B.C. and the rest follows. In the meantime, the Brahmanas, Samhi 
tas, Puranas, etc. are written and the thought contained therein is 
well-absorbed among the Hindu minds. Where does the Ramayan and 
Mahabharat fit in? Some say that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and 
some opine otherwise. In all this anarchy of Indian historiography, 
the date of the Mahabharat (the mythical story!) ranges between 1000 
B.C. to 300 B.C. Sanskrit epics were academically attacked 
occasionally - an attempt to disprove the authenticity of the annals 
noted therein. For example, the European Indologist Maxmuller, tried 
the interpret the astronomical evidences to prove that the 
observations recorded in the Hindu scriptures are imaginary, probably 
because it did not match the prevalent views of European historians!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[wgm4u]

The 5 Pandus were meant to represent the 5 lower chakras under the power of the 
soul and the 100 evil minded sons of Dhritarashtra were meant to represent all 
the vices man is subject to in life, Duryodana chief among them as Material 
Desire.
 

  Which came first? the war? or the allegory of man's spiritual quest? I think 
the later! Vyasa's Bhagavad Gita came first, the so-called war was added to 
tell the story!, get it?
 

 The field of the body (kurushetra) is where the battle is fought between the 
evil and good tendencies (there's that duality again, God and the Devil). Hence 
the BG is as Religious as any Christian scripture.
 

 It's really a beautiful story that MMY really hasn't addressed, that wasn't 
his intention after all, but that's another story.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Duveyoung]

I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts."  Not a single one predicted 
my future or knew stuff about me from my past.   I went to Gandhi, "Maharishi's 
astrologer," when it was still allowed.  Guy read my palm too!  GAWD.

Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the 
jyotish bandwagon.  Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had 
anyone show me it does.   

I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various 
qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, 
my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried 
to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a 
correlation.  Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to 
make my life fit the stars better.  You know, I should have wrote more poetry 
when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had 
naturally occurred.  Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie 
going on.  

I wore the Vedic gemsall that.

I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and 
knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O.  
But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! !

Went to about six psychic types.  

So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my 
negativities.  $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period 
thereall for naught.  

Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his 
hand inside me.

I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special 
sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a 
relief, eh? 

 Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen 
my son got cancer diagnosed the next week.  We had gone to this "nurse" because 
that was her thang...spotting cancer.

So I tried FFL.

And now I iz saved.   I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I 
make the least mistake.

For free!

How good is that!
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It sounds like Dennis knocked over your birdbath, again, Mr. Wilson - Darned 
those pesky kids!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, 
but the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of 
late. Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to 
the part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this 
argument to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not 
go into such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that 
the most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 

 

 Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, 
he catches a wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it 
will. Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's 
surfing is working just fine for me. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 
 
   Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday
 

 It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
 

 Chapter 1: Spirituality
 Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
 Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
 Chapter 4: Meditation
 Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
 Conclusion
 

 There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.
 

 * supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
 

 

 An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:
 

 'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a novice is no less stark when it 
comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. But the qualifications of a 
teacher and the progress of a student are more difficult to assess.'
 

 And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:
 

 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one Sam Harris, neuroscientist and 
author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a 
Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.


 View on www.samharris.org http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi, welllI personally like foul language sometimes, but I know what you 
mean. Yeah, the mantra and the person become indistinguishable from one 
another. TM, 24x7, and like the air we breathe, TM disappears, while remaining 
vital. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's lived, that's the whole point, what else is the use of contacting silence 
if not to bring it out and live it ? And, at least for me, there is a ongoing 
discrimination and evaluation of everything seen, tasted, heard and read. The 
more positivity and universality, the more heart and mind expands. Likewise, 
when reading foul language, swearing and namecalling from someone like MJ it 
evokes sadness and contraction, not for me but on behalf of the soul involved 
and his likeminded comrades. Like you wrote: "As I have touched on before, you 
do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the practice 
of TM."
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am not neutral about it, but I could happily and easily go the rest of my 
life, not mentioning either TM or the TMO, again. I never mention it to anyone 
off this forum, nor have I been in a TMO facility, in twenty years. On the one 
hand, it is baked in, so why bother, and on the other hand, everyone has free 
will, and can do as they please. 

 You are clearly a very likable fanatic regarding TM. Perhaps that is the 
difference, I am not a fanatic - There are elements in my life that I am 
forever grateful to have, but they are also my business, and no one else's. I 
don't mind hearing different points of view, but I cannot help but evaluate 
them, on the basis of who is sharing them with me. As I have touched on before, 
you do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the 
practice of TM. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations
 

 That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan 
- so who are the "most of us?"

 

 


 
 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' 
by Maharishi ~ Excerpt
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to 
do. 

 But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement 
would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform 
the same routine.
 

 "Hi,- I-am-Michael"
 

 "Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"
 

 "Oh-I-haven't?"
 

 "Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"
 

 You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating 
himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love 
the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he 
was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't 
really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the 
Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a 
very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about 
you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a 
tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let 
him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs 
around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of 
the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about 
TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively 
wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into 
this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just 
like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in 
souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.
 
 VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROOM DANCING CRINOLINE LADY DOLL 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHgEl4SFtDw 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHgEl4SFtDw
 
 VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROO... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHgEl4SFtDw THE BELLE OF THE BALL - WATCH HER 
DANCE AROUND THE FLOOR IN HER LOVELY BLUE CRINOLINE DRESS 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-WIN...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHgEl4SFtDw 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  



 


 













  




 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bhutanese Music Video - Lopen Phagpa

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I dunno...rampant wardrobe malfuctions would make a difference...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice... but i just don't see them performing at half time in the Super Bowl. 
 


 On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:22 AM, nablusoss1008 
 wrote:
 
 

   Bhutanese Music Video - Lopen Phagpa 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TuRtrOAWPY#t=245
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TuRtrOAWPY#t=245
 
 Bhutanese Music Video - Lopen Phagpa 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TuRtrOAWPY#t=245 "Lopen Phagpa" is a 
traditional Bhutanese song performed by the Royal Academy of Performing Arts 
(RAPA) in praise of Manjushri, "the Bodhisattva of W...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TuRtrOAWPY#t=245 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

see a therapist - just someone to sort out all the buckets. It is helpful. Then 
you can focus on resolving the anger. There is a difference between doing what 
we are told, and doing what we need. This is a precious lifetime, not to be 
squandered on following external arrows, to the detriment of ourselves. All the 
best. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.
ers
Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, but 
the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of late. 
Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to the 
part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this argument 
to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not go into 
such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that the 
most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 

 

 Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, 
he catches a wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it 
will. Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's 
surfing is working just fine for me. 

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 
 
   Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday
 

 It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
 

 Chapter 1: Spirituality
 Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
 Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
 Chapter 4: Meditation
 Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
 Conclusion
 

 There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.
 

 * supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
 

 

 An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:
 

 'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a novice is no less stark when it 
comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. But the qualifications of a 
teacher and the progress of a student are more difficult to assess.'
 

 And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:
 

 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one Sam Harris, neuroscientist and 
author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a 
Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.


 View on www.samharris.org http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
[Another first. Good boy, keep it up.]
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 

 

 Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. [Didn't 
take long to get here. Didn't see that coning did we?]That is, he catches a 
wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it will. 
Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's surfing 
is working just fine for me. [Keep on surfin'. Suits ya].

 
That's one helova review. Doing stuff for the New York Review of Books much 
these days?

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 
 
   Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday
 

 It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.
 

 Chapter 1: Spirituality
 Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
 Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
 Chapter 4: Meditation
 Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
 Conclusion
 

 There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.
 

 * supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
 

 

 An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:
 

 'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a novice is no less stark when it 
comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. But the qualifications of a 
teacher and the progress of a student are more difficult to assess.'
 

 And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:
 

 
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 
 
 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 
 WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris 
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one Sam Harris, neuroscientist and 
author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith, Letter to a 
Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.


 
 View on www.samharris.org http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/chapter-one
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 12-Sep-14 00:15:04 UTC

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/11/2014 9:37 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


and the New Yorker has maintained his lead, but not increased it.  If 
there is fatigue setting in, there's no sign of it.



as we are approach the home stretch, it's a one and a half furlong 
lead by Dannyboy, followed by Punditster.


there has been a request for some background, or "color" on the two 
leaders.


callers have been asking, "does the Punditster have a traditional 
Texas drawl?

>
No drawl - military brat 18 years.

/Wallah Speaks - Recorded on April 16, 2001 using Dragon Naturally 
Speaking:/


http://youtu.be/Of6HTfncgyY
>


does Dannyboy have a traditional New Yark accent?

we'd have to hear from the participants directly on that.

but back to the race

what a second folks, the announcer just realized that's its nose to 
nose among the third place horses, with even the mid westerner showing 
a little strength.


This is where the excitement has turned.

There is really no daylight between the two, and this third place 
finish is just too close to call.


The pundits are talking now about time zone differences, and what 
factor they might play.
Since that has come over the wires the betting pool shifted in favor 
of the South Carolinian.


The BCer has been known to come on strong a little later in the race, 
but it could be too late.


Folks this thing is just too close right now!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



How do I show modesty?

Anybody?
*
*
*I personally think you're pacing yourself even though you're in the 
"lead". But Richard has a hell of a home stretch kick in him so keep 
looking over your shoulder 'cause if he has a mind to, he will pass 
you by and all you'll feel is the breeze of his passing.*

*
*---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Can't wait to see Edg's reply to that idea!

 Dear Michael,

Help me out here. Is 'Edg' Daveyoung? Thanks

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 
 
   Edg,
 

 You should get a jyotishi to analyze your chart for answers.  I can briefly 
give you an insight about your chart if you disclose your birth data here on 
the forum.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  






 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Edg, I have a couple questions - do you remember how many times M said there 
might be a nuclear war? Was it as early as '81?
 

 I was wondering how your kids are today - did TM "take" with them, are they 
still into it or did they drop out?
 

 I am always real curious about folks that were raised on TM and in the 
Movement. I have had some really interesting conversations with Kyle Cleveland 
who has told me some hair raising stories about growing up in the Movement in 
FF. Some hard to believe, yet not hard if you have been in the Movement. He's 
damn glad he got out.

 
Well at least we never got that nuclear war.

 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:10 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof
 
 
   Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Can't wait to see Edg's reply to that idea!




 From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
 


  
Edg,

You should get a jyotishi to analyze your chart for answers.  I can briefly 
give you an insight about your chart if you disclose your birth data here on 
the forum.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
2000 initiations
3% of Napa taught
Many ATRs, many advance techniques
Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the 
center open.
Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Regarding the Kurukshetra War
 
-
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 
 You lost me at "According to Wikipedia"

 -
 

 Well, short attention span or reading problems, huh? How about Encylopaedia 
Britannica:
 

 The Mahabharata is an important source of information on the development of 
Hinduism between 400 BCE and 200 CE and is regarded by Hindus as both a text 
about dharma (Hindu moral law) and a history (itihasa, literally 'that's what 
happened'). Appearing in its present form about 400 CE, the Mahabharata 
consists of a mass of mythological and didactic material arranged around a 
central heroic narrative that tells of the struggle for sovereignty between two 
groups of cousins, the Kauravas (sons of Dhritarashtra, the descendant of Kuru) 
and the Pandavas (sons of Pandu). The date for the war that is the central 
event of the Mahabharata is much debated, but it must have taken place sometime 
before 500 BCE.
 

 Or from one of the many web pages on the subject:
 

 Incidentally, the dating of the Mahabharat War has been a matter of challenge 
and controversy for a century or two. European scholars have maintained that 
the events described in the ancient Sanskrut texts are imaginary and 
subsequently, the Mahabharat derived to be a fictitious tale of a war fought 
between two rivalries. Starting from the so called Aryan invasion into Bharat, 
the current Bharatiya chronology starts from the compilation of the Rigved in 
1200 B.C., then come other Ved's, Mahaveer Jain is born, then Gautam Buddha 
lives around 585 B.C. and the rest follows. In the meantime, the Brahmanas, 
Samhi tas, Puranas, etc. are written and the thought contained therein is 
well-absorbed among the Hindu minds. Where does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit 
in? Some say that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In 
all this anarchy of Indian historiography, the date of the Mahabharat (the 
mythical story!) ranges between 1000 B.C. to 300 B.C. Sanskrit epics were 
academically attacked occasionally - an attempt to disprove the authenticity of 
the annals noted therein. For example, the European Indologist Maxmuller, tried 
the interpret the astronomical evidences to prove that the observations 
recorded in the Hindu scriptures are imaginary, probably because it did not 
match the prevalent views of European historians!

Did I type the wrong url? Why do I keep getting Wikipedia and web page quotes? 
Has ffl been hijacked? 

How do I access ffl now? I'll try using the Archives.





  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Edg, I have a couple questions - do you remember how many times M said there 
might be a nuclear war? Was it as early as '81?

I was wondering how your kids are today - did TM "take" with them, are they 
still into it or did they drop out?

I am always real curious about folks that were raised on TM and in the 
Movement. I have had some really interesting conversations with Kyle Cleveland 
who has told me some hair raising stories about growing up in the Movement in 
FF. Some hard to believe, yet not hard if you have been in the Movement. He's 
damn glad he got out.




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:10 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof
 


  
Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
2000 initiations
3% of Napa taught
Many ATRs, many advance techniques
Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the 
center open.
Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 12:51 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


But it was fun wasn't it?  At least until some of the folks coming 
back from the AoE courses thought they were "king shit" and needed to 
"run things."  They didn't bother me though because I was allegedly 
"in CC" nor anyone else who was allegedly so. ;-)

>
Some students of MMY tried to turn a perfectly good relaxation technique 
into a religion based on guru yoga.

>


On 09/12/2014 08:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote:


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy 
made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.


Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general 
philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who 
could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to 
study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" 
commands, etc.  We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books.


Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that 
was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."


In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to 
defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to 
individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper 
question.


We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our 
audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to 
the max.  Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in 
knots and sweating buckets.


Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who 
were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed 
that shit like it was caviar.


So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a 
billion dollar scam.



I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After 
I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS 
APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used.


Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining 
DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, 
awareness, witness, soul, etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO 
ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define 
these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were 
synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car.


We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 10:51 AM, feste37 wrote:


Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, 
a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you 
actually mean is "I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a 
$200 car. I was a fucking chump."



>
He was addressing the important issues.

It was his karma to get on these programs - in reality, nobody did 
anything for him or to him - it was all due to his good or bad deeds 
performed by him in the past. But, it was not any personality, 
technique, organization or program that brought him his good or bad 
fortune - he earned it.


If it had not been the Mahesh Yogi that got his attention, it would 
probably have been some other program. The TM did not provide him the 
ability to transcend, or not - TM is not caused by anything - THAT is 
the uncaused cause.

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy 
made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.


Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general 
philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who 
could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to 
study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" 
commands, etc.  We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books.


Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that 
was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."


In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to 
defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to 
individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper 
question.


We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our 
audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the 
max.  Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots 
and sweating buckets.


Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who 
were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed 
that shit like it was caviar.


So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a 
billion dollar scam.


I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I 
got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED 
at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used.


Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining 
DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, 
awareness, witness, soul, etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO 
ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these 
words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were 
synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car.


We were fucking chumps.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, 
cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and 
in Asia for tens of years and it was OK.
 What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to 
something bigger, something greater. For some that "greater" was more personal 
power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity 
and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake 
hands with Godhead.  
 I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure 
you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma 
and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled.
 A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply 
done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 
expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they 
had not even imagined.
 

 I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness).
But speaking only for I, I got no complaints.
Maybe lower expectations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 
I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots 
custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). 
My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest.

Big difference between us Edgy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Edg, 

 You should get a jyotishi to analyze your chart for answers.  I can briefly 
give you an insight about your chart if you disclose your birth data here on 
the forum.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  
Well...you're very open about it.
 

 That's something.

[FairfieldLife] Today's T-eese Report

[danfriedman2002]

Just to build on the unified fine level of feeling we share, I thought I'd 
share my views:

 Pretty Daisy - worn by a, what else, pretty daisy. Hello, worn by a very 
friendly sweetheart Business is Good - an imaginative wearing of an Official NY 
Yankee Tee. The young woman had reversed the shirt, so that the back read: We 
are in the Business of Winning World Series (I hope nobody here is competitive 
about their home team). and of course, one that could have been inspired by 
this Forum: New York City Life
 Now, a subscription to my Views is normally $5000/annum. As I explain: cheaper 
than drinking coffee. And much better for you.
 

 Be Happy!
 \d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I've been away in Amsterdam for a bit, but while there found this book myself. 
I'm enjoying it a great deal. 


Not having read Sam Harris' books before (only many of his online articles or 
interviews), I'm finding that I really like his writing style. And not just the 
clarity of it...I really like the *rhythm* of it, the *flow* of it. I get the 
feeling that he "shoots from the hip" in his writing, a lot like I do. That is, 
he catches a wave of inspiration and rides it, allowing it to take him where it 
will. Sometimes that kinda writing works, sometimes it doesn't. So far, Sam's 
surfing is working just fine for me. 




 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
 


  
Sam Harris' book Waking Up, a Guide to Spirituality without Religion is now 
available as of Tuesday

It is rather short with just five chapters and a conclusion, but it is cogent 
and to the point. I am about halfway through it, having bought it today.

Chapter 1: Spirituality
Chapter 2: The Mystery of Consciousness
Chapter 3: The Riddle of the Self
Chapter 4: Meditation
Chapter 5: Gurus, Death, Drugs, and Other Puzzles
Conclusion

There are simple instructions for meditation that look as simple as TM: 
Vipassana (or mindfulness, or perhaps a better translation — clear awareness), 
and of course it's free, and is the most researched meditation technique. It is 
a brief guidebook for spirituality for atheists, or anyone who does not buy the 
spiritual mumbo jumbo of metaphysicians and those into the occult*. I suppose 
religious people could read it too, religion is not really discussed that much. 
Unlike TM, which proclaims itself not religious, this is what Maharishi could 
have made of TM if he really wanted it to be non religious. Buddhism is 
mentioned because its theory of self (they are not talking of Self with the 
capital 'S' in Buddhism) has many parallels to scientific research into the 
nature of self, which does not appear to exist. Consciousness he seems to 
regard as a mystery, and the examples he gives, give one pause as to the 
strangeness of what we call our awareness.

* supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.


An example from the beginning of Chapter 5:

'One of the first obstacles encountered along any contemplative path is the 
basic uncertainty about the nature of spiritual authority. If there are 
important truths to be discovered through introspection, there must be better 
and worse ways to do this — and one should expect to meet a range of experts, 
novices, fools, and frauds along the way. Of course, charlatans haunt every 
walk of life. But on spiritual matters, foolishness and fraudulence can be 
especially difficult to detect. Unfortunately, this is a natural consequence of 
the subject matter. When learning to play a sport like golf, you can 
immediately establish the abilities of the teacher, and the teacher can, in 
turn, evaluate your progress without leaving anything to the imagination. All 
the relevant facts are in plain view. If you can't consistently hit the little 
white ball where you want it to go, you have something to learn from anybody 
who can. The difference between an expert and a
 novice is no less stark when it comes to recognizing the illusion of the self. 
But the qualifications of a teacher and the progress of a student are more 
difficult to assess.'

And Chapter 1 is on Harris' web site:

WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris
 
   WAKING UP: Chapter One : Sam Harris  
Sam Harris, neuroscientist and author of the New York Times bestsellers, The 
End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, and The Moral Landscape.  
View on www.samharris.org Preview by Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof

[Duveyoung]

Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence.

Eight months of teacher training.
 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome.
 2000 initiations
 3% of Napa taught
 Many ATRs, many advance techniques
 Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep 
the center open.
 Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF 
from 1981 to 1999.
 Kids in MSAE all their lives.

AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE.

Where's the beef?  We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION.

I got bupkis.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 12:50 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

Excellent post Edg - thank you.

>
HE WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO PREACH ON THE MUM CAMPUS AGAIN!
>



*From:* Duveyoung 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 11:36 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was 
Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy 
made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.


Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general 
philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who 
could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to 
study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" 
commands, etc.  We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books.


Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that 
was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."


In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to 
defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to 
individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper 
question.


We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our 
audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the 
max.  Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots 
and sweating buckets.


Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who 
were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed 
that shit like it was caviar.


So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a 
billion dollar scam.


I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I 
got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED 
at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used.


Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining 
DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, 
awareness, witness, soul, etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO 
ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these 
words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were 
synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car.


We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, 
a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you 
actually mean is "I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a 
$200 car. I was a fucking chump."

>
On 9/12/2014 10:58 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
>


I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert 
boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something 
special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I 
am also honest.


Big difference between us Edgy.

>
Not to mention that he votes for his guy to be the U.S. President, and 
then throws him under the bus.

>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy 
made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.


Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general 
philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who 
could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to 
study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" 
commands, etc.  We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books.


Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that 
was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."


In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to 
defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to 
individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper 
question.


We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our 
audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the 
max.  Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots 
and sweating buckets.


Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who 
were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed 
that shit like it was caviar.


So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a 
billion dollar scam.


I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I 
got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED 
at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used.


Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining 
DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, 
awareness, witness, soul, etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO 
ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these 
words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were 
synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car.


We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 12:48 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

"We lived for a dollar a day"

>
YOU WILL NEVER BAKE BREAD ON THE MUM CAMPUS EVER AGAIN!
>


You can bet your narcissistic fake guru damn sure lived on a whole lot 
more than that each day.

>
How much would you be willing to wager?
>


*From:* nablusoss1008 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 12:57 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's 
Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.



Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same 
gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in 
Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK.
What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect 
us to something bigger, something greater. For some that "greater" 
was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for 
others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant 
that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead.
I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can 
assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their 
own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their 
aspirations are fulfilled.
A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has 
simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 
60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives 
mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, 
a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you 
actually mean is "I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a 
$200 car. I was a fucking chump."


I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert 
boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something 
special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I 
am also honest.


Big difference between us Edgy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy 
made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.


Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general 
philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who 
could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to 
study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" 
commands, etc.  We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books.


Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that 
was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."


In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to 
defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to 
individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper 
question.


We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our 
audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the 
max.  Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots 
and sweating buckets.


Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who 
were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed 
that shit like it was caviar.


So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a 
billion dollar scam.


I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I 
got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED 
at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used.


Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining 
DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, 
awareness, witness, soul, etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO 
ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these 
words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were 
synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car.


We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY "WHAT EDG GOT?"


>
It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit.

It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of 
his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to 
pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now 
a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked 
out of the TMO. Yikes!


And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed 
up or what? Go figure.

>



I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me?  Up yours with a 
fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for "not getting 
it" when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish 
beliefs.


Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider 
that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET...



If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first 
punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the 
elevator's video.  I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a 
vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see?  I got 
nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places.


Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 
PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE.  Ya think I can 
put my body weight behind my jab?


You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're  a 
fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag.  I DESPISE YOUR 
DISEASED MIND.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Body Odor Test for Cabbies In San Diego

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/12/2014 12:30 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Somehow this article strikes me funny, especially when you imagine how 
the inspectors are conducting the test.



>
Maybe it's time to get a /Lyft/ from an /Uber/ - that way, the rider can 
rate the driver instantly.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_%28company%29

/"Daniel Johnson, an 18-year-old Marine who came from Flint, Michigan, 
said it's fair to grade on body odor, especially considering the $70 
fare to get to his base. He has felt trapped in smelly cabs in other 
cities."/


http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-cabbies-cry-foul-061903733.html



Many years ago, when I was in South Korea, I was impressed by the 
cabbies there who were dressed in uniforms and ties.  But this doesn't 
happen here in the US.



http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-cabbies-cry-foul-061903733.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Regarding the Kurukshetra War
 
-
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 
 You lost me at "According to Wikipedia"

 -
 

 Well, short attention span or reading problems, huh? How about Encylopaedia 
Britannica:
 

 The Mahabharata is an important source of information on the development of 
Hinduism between 400 BCE and 200 CE and is regarded by Hindus as both a text 
about dharma (Hindu moral law) and a history (itihasa, literally 'that's what 
happened'). Appearing in its present form about 400 CE, the Mahabharata 
consists of a mass of mythological and didactic material arranged around a 
central heroic narrative that tells of the struggle for sovereignty between two 
groups of cousins, the Kauravas (sons of Dhritarashtra, the descendant of Kuru) 
and the Pandavas (sons of Pandu). The date for the war that is the central 
event of the Mahabharata is much debated, but it must have taken place sometime 
before 500 BCE.
 

 Or from one of the many web pages on the subject:
 

 Incidentally, the dating of the Mahabharat War has been a matter of challenge 
and controversy for a century or two. European scholars have maintained that 
the events described in the ancient Sanskrut texts are imaginary and 
subsequently, the Mahabharat derived to be a fictitious tale of a war fought 
between two rivalries. Starting from the so called Aryan invasion into Bharat, 
the current Bharatiya chronology starts from the compilation of the Rigved in 
1200 B.C., then come other Ved's, Mahaveer Jain is born, then Gautam Buddha 
lives around 585 B.C. and the rest follows. In the meantime, the Brahmanas, 
Samhi tas, Puranas, etc. are written and the thought contained therein is 
well-absorbed among the Hindu minds. Where does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit 
in? Some say that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In 
all this anarchy of Indian historiography, the date of the Mahabharat (the 
mythical story!) ranges between 1000 B.C. to 300 B.C. Sanskrit epics were 
academically attacked occasionally - an attempt to disprove the authenticity of 
the annals noted therein. For example, the European Indologist Maxmuller, tried 
the interpret the astronomical evidences to prove that the observations 
recorded in the Hindu scriptures are imaginary, probably because it did not 
match the prevalent views of European historians!




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Excellent post Edg - thank you.




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] We were kept bare foot and pregnant  (was Why MMY's 
Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 


  
Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam.

I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining 
and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into Advaita, I 
read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of 
how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  

We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"We lived for a dollar a day"

You can bet your narcissistic fake guru damn sure lived on a whole lot more 
than that each day. 



 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi keeps his promises  (was Why MMY's Bhagavad 
Gita will never be a classic.
 


  


Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, 
cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and 
in Asia for tens of years and it was OK.
What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to 
something bigger, something greater. For some that "greater" was more personal 
power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity 
and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake 
hands with Godhead.  
I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure 
you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma 
and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled.
A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply 
done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 
expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they 
had not even imagined.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 


I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots 
custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). 
My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest.

Big difference between us Edgy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam.

I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining 
and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into Advaita, I 
read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of 
how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  

We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

But it was fun wasn't it?  At least until some of the folks coming back 
from the AoE courses thought they were "king shit" and needed to "run 
things."  They didn't bother me though because I was allegedly "in CC" 
nor anyone else who was allegedly so. ;-)


On 09/12/2014 08:36 AM, Duveyoung wrote:


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy 
made necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.


Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general 
philosophy 101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who 
could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to 
study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any "must memorize" 
commands, etc.  We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books.


Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that 
was always informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."


In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to 
defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to 
individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper 
question.


We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our 
audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the 
max.  Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots 
and sweating buckets.


Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who 
were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed 
that shit like it was caviar.


So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a 
billion dollar scam.



I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I 
got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED 
at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used.


Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining 
DIFFERENCES "being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, 
awareness, witness, soul, etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO 
ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these 
words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were 
synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car.


We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When you boys can admit Edg is right and is speaking truth, your freedom within 
begins.




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: We were kept bare foot and pregnant  (was Why 
MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 


I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots 
custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). 
My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest.

Big difference between us Edgy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam.

I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining 
and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into Advaita, I 
read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of 
how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  

We were fucking chumps.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nabs, 

 Nice story.  Do you have an unusual personal story of how you were able to 
exist and teach others with almost no money?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, 
cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and 
in Asia for tens of years and it was OK.
 What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to 
something bigger, something greater. For some that "greater" was more personal 
power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity 
and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake 
hands with Godhead.  
 I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure 
you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma 
and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled.
 A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply 
done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 
expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they 
had not even imagined.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, "We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 
suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps." But what you actually mean is "I 
was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking 
chump." 
 
I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots 
custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). 
My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest.

Big difference between us Edgy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding "a philosophy made 
necessary" if the concept "transcendental" is the basis of it.  

Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had "general philosophy 
101" classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a 
discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other 
scriptures, never had any "must memorize" commands, etc.  We were forbidden to 
read any other spiritual books.

Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always 
informal and there was no "lesson plan" for the "students."  

In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM 
with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up 
when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question.  

We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as 
un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max.  Any PhD in 
philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets.

Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid 
but who would do great works none-the-less.  We swallowed that shit like it was 
caviar.  

So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion 
dollar scam. 

 I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book 
underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins.  After I got into 
Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of 
consistency of how key concepts were used.  

Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES 
"being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, 
etc."  I'll wait.  No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training 
course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of 
them as if they were synonyms of each other.   We were hustlers with shiny 
shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car.  
 
We were fucking chumps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish]

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Earl's letter


http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html





 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those 
who are jealous of it [ was Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish]
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in 
Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and 
ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in 
Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got 
a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS.

Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real 
English life is all about.

Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. 
In summer 2006 he was living
in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped 
meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be 
alive. Of course, I could be wrong...


Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself 
about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or 
anything relevant healthwise).

I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that 
you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a 
continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so 
feel free to ignore this bit! 

The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third 
probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I 
wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the 
files section.

I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. 
I'll report back. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.

[Duveyoung]

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY "WHAT EDG GOT?"  

I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me?  Up yours with a fence post 
for all the past shit you've tossed at me for "not getting it" when you're the 
FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs.

Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I 
NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... 

 If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and 
then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video.  
I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a 
place to meditate, ya see?  I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in 
three places.
 

 Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES 
ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE.  Ya think I can put my body weight 
behind my jab?

You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're  a fucking 
turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag.  I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND.

[FairfieldLife] Body Odor Test for Cabbies In San Diego

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Somehow this article strikes me funny, especially when you imagine how the 
inspectors are conducting the test.
 

 Many years ago, when I was in South Korea, I was impressed by the cabbies 
there who were dressed in uniforms and ties.  But this doesn't happen here in 
the US.
 

 http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-cabbies-cry-foul-061903733.html 
http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-cabbies-cry-foul-061903733.html