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[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail

2014-10-02 Thread salyavin808

Does "cosmic" consciousness still work when you are under an anaesthetic?

I'm guessing not. The main worry about this research is that the existence of
different attentional states somehow implies that the cosmology as presented by
Marshy and his vedic tradition is correct. By cosmology I mean that
consciousness is some sort of unified field that is beyond us reachable by us
as a kind of method of gaining insight into the workings of physics. I don't
think it is at all.

What we most likely have here is continual meditation developing a type of
awareness using a different section of the brain. It's like when we use NLP
techniques to develop new neural networks to achieve different results in life
than our social training equips us for. We are immediately aware these modes
even if unfamiliar. The evidence is that consciousness is spread out through
the brain, meditation may very well be altering the way we perceive it by
creating an "empty" neural network for consciousness to observe, as opposed to
something active that people usually achieve when they learn something new.

Calling it "cosmic" is muddying the waters I suspect. More data on how
consciousness works is needed, luckily that is piling up all the time.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to
have continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and
sleeping for at least 1 year. The "Cont-TE" group.

Two other groups were chosen as well: people who intended to learn TM but had
not yet started and had rare (less than 1 per year -the "Rare-TE" group)
transcendental experiences, and people who had been practicing TM for a while,
but did not report frequent transcendental experiences outside of meditation
(between 1 and 10 TE per year -the "Occas-TE" group).

A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate
subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences.

The two measures had been developed by non-TMers to measure frequency of
transcendental experiences in the general population: Hood’s M-Scale from
[Hood, R.W., 1975. The construction and preliminary validation of a measure of
reported mystical experience. Journal of Scientific Study Religion 14, 29-41]
and Baruss’s Physical-Transcendent Scale from [Baruss, E., Moore, R.J., 1992.
Measurement of beliefs about consciousness and reality. Psychology Reports 71,
59-64]

Group means for M-Scale were:
Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47;
Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15;
Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61.

Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were:
Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21;
Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71;
Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96.

Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview
questions.

The results were reported in two different papers:

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 
 And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit. 
 >
 "The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people having 
these experiences exhibit one of the EEG signatures of transcendental 
consciousness, which is theta/alpha (7-9 Hz) EEG relative power, along with the 
signature of deep sleep, which is delta EEG (1-4 Hz)." - David Orme-Johnsom
 >
 
 One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing 
articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as 
that there is a subset of patients who complain that they "Never fall asleep." 
Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so 
they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no 
symptoms of sleep deprivation. 
 >
 Most of the time when these kinds of conditions are examined, the "insomniacs" 
simply can't tell the difference between wakefulness and sleeping. They may 
think they are just resting when in reality they are asleep - maybe they are 
taking mico-naps lasting just a few minutes. It is a very rare condition when 
sleep deprivation can't be explained by a medical science - such causes as 
fever, illness, genetic mutation or psychological disorder.
 >
 When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these 
folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along 
with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never 
lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always 
awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range 
of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. 
 >
 Acute or chronic insomnia is called Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI). Total 
sleeplessness has yet to be explained by science, so you seem to be one of the 
science writers today that have new information about this disorder. A full 
report should be on PubMed by now,right?
 >
 In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a 
couple of dozen people who report this. >
 Total sleep deprivation is very rare and only about 100 cases have ever been 
the subject of a clinical study and only maybe two have never been explained by 
medical science. The quack you are working for should probably hire a lawyer to 
look into this, since according to your short report, there are more incidences 
of total sleeplessness at their clinic than in the whole of medical science 
worldwide. Go figure.
 >
 All of them are just normal people off the street. >
 The key word here is "fatal" in the condition known in science as FFI, and 
leads to death in almost all cases leads to panic attacks, hallucinations, 
delirium, confusion, weight loss, and then dementia and death. FFI has no known 
cure and involves progressively worsening conditions. Death usually occurs 
between 7 and 36 months from onset, according to what I've read.
 >
 Not one of them meditates. >
 Everyone meditates, Barry, every time they pause to think about something. 
Anyone who isn't able to think is unconscious and obviously sleeping. Go figure.
 

 Have you picked those lottery numbers yet? If you have I get half the winnings.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks, Richard. Here's my favorite Edna St. Vincent Millay: 
God's World
By  Edna St. Vincent Millay  O world, I cannot hold thee close enough!    Thy 
winds, thy wide grey skies!    Thy mists, that roll and rise! Thy woods, this 
autumn day, that ache and sag And all but cry with colour!   That gaunt crag To 
crush!   To lift the lean of that black bluff! World, World, I cannot get thee 
close enough! 
Long have I known a glory in it all,  But never knew I this;
Here such a passion is As stretcheth me apart,—Lord, I do fear Thou’st made the 
world too beautiful this year; My soul is all but out of me,—let fall No 
burning leaf; prithee, let no bird call.  

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:24 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
   

  
   
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including 
the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then 
one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is 
not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
  
 >
 On 10/2/2014 12:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 
   Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it 
sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this 
is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day 
experience.

 >
 "Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink
 Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain; 
 Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink 
 And rise and sink and rise and sink again; 
 Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath, 
 Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone; 
 Yet many a man is making friends with death 
 Even as I speak, for lack of love alone. 
 It well may be that in a difficult hour, 
 Pinned down by pain and moaning for release, 
 Or nagged by want past resolution’s power, 
 I might be driven to sell your love for peace, 
 Or trade the memory of this night for food. 
 It well may be. I do not think I would." 
 
 Love is Not All - It IS Not Meat Nor Drink
 http://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/love-not-all-sonnet-xxx
 
 
http://www.humanities360.com/index.php/poetry-analysis-sonnet-xxx-by-edna-st-vincent-millay-6971/
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_St._Vincent_Millay
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so 
don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard 
(who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift).  

 Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a strip 
mall, in Fremont, CA that my wife and I saw, and the name instantly become part 
of our vocabulary (well, mine, anyway...). It is called, creatively, "The Niche 
Business Cafe". 
 I imagine you walk in, and are given a short interview, on how "niche" your 
particular business is, and if you qualify, you're in. So, for example, a shoe 
salesman, is out, but a bowling shoe salesman, is seated immediately. Sporting 
goods out, but selling just fishing line? Booth or table? ...
 

 I'll be the English Equestrian Supply luncher as opposed to the Tack Store 
Owner.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

 

 

  Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to 
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a 
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

 

 I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the 
ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all 
talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have 
a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too.


  My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.
 

 Thank you for the offering of your son but my niece is already married to a 
rather doting Israeli. She also converted to Judaism and her three children 
have rather beautiful Israeli names. I did get in trouble one time though for 
bringing some non-Kosher grape juice into their kitchen and had to keep it up 
in my bedroom instead of putting it in their fridge. I now check all the labels 
on the foods I buy while staying at their place.

And the #4 was as delicious as you said. 

Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all 
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...

Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 

In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.
bummer
 

 You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one 
thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be 
very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to 
paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of 
feeling nothing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point 
in their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers 
whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But 
it's my intention.
 

 Great intention and I wish more were motivated that way; can you imagine what 
a different world we would be living in? But, I am not saying that many have 
not experienced deep love at some point in their lives what I am saying that it 
is just as valid to also experience disapproval or downright repugnance at 
something a "loved one" might enact or believe and that is just as valid. 
Reality is not all about rainbows and roses - the richness of life also 
includes the sopping wet downpour and the thorns. 
 

 
 


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 

 Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds 
like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not 
your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience.
 
 


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Charlie Lutes audio for John Y and others

2014-10-02 Thread john_youe...@comcast.net [FairfieldLife]

Thanks for posting this  In Philly? Do you have the date/time? 

John Y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Let Us Gird on our Spiritual Armor and Fight!

2014-10-02 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Allahu akbar! Jai guru dev, every body! 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:29 PM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
   

     


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Jai Guru Dev, let us fight for reasonin a world where science and progress will 
lead to happiness...The modern science is om so quite clearnow, that everyone 
should have the time and the resources foradequate enough quiet time and 
effective transcendent meditationeveryday, twice a day and more. Let us hasten 
the day when this willbe, it cannot happen fast enough. We must have a new 
spiritualstandard of living that is ultimately spiritual and scientific. Letus 
all fight for that now.  We who know must act for everyone.  Let us join in 
effective meditationtogether,-Buck in the 
Domehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

I'll bet that everyone here has their favorite line from Charlie Chaplin's 
Great Dictator Speech.
Mine is: "Only the unloved hate"
ain't it sad and a shame?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Barry, Barry, Barry, did anyone say you had to meditate to have experiences of 
higher states of consciousnesses.  
 

 Let it go Barry. Time to let it go.  You've got to expand your world past 
Maharishi, and the TM organization.
 

 It's a big world Barry.  Lot's of things to see and explore.  The TM movement 
is just on little bit of it.
 

 Exppd those horizons a bit.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
 
 
   I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that 
Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year.
 






And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit. 

One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles 
about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there 
is a subset of patients who complain that they "Never fall asleep." Their 
subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're 
worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms 
of sleep deprivation. 

When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these 
folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along 
with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never 
lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always 
awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range 
of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. 

In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple 
of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the 
street. Not one of them meditates. 

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Seven Wonders of the World

2014-10-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I am one kind of strange dude.  This whole day, this whole entire day, did I 
not feel the need to tie some activity, some observation to a TM idea. 

 Am I am said to obsessed with TM?
 

 This thing of Barry's is like, I went out his morning to pick up the 
newspaper, and I realized that the paper boy threw the newspaper, and it 
followed all the laws of gravity, not like those yogic flyers who feel they are 
in the initial stages of levitation that will some day defy gravity.
 

 Ha!  Me and newspaper boy showed them alright!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is one of those New Age graphics that multiply like rabbits on Facebook. 
But for once I kinda liked this one. One reason is the Thoreau-like simplicity 
of the list. It's just spot-on. Another reason is that "to fly" and "to be 
enlightened" didn't make the list. That's having yer priorities in order IMO.

Re: [FairfieldLife] This great news just in from Bob Roth: Bill O'Reilly on the good works of the David Lynch Foundation [1 Attachment]

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 10/2/2014 4:37 PM, Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Bill O'Reilly talked about recently running into Paul McCartney, 
Paul's Radio City concert for the David Lynch Foundation in 2009, and 
Bill's support for the work of the David Lynch Foundation to bring 
Transcendental Meditation to at-risk youth.

>
/"McCartney, who was in excellent voice, sang 28 songs, plus the ending 
medley from "Abbey Road."/


McCartney Magical at Tobin'
San Antonio Express-News, Thursday October 2, 2014
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/McCartney-magical-at-Tobin-5795474.php

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/2/2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum 
is the way that a number of people react to the word "Atheist."

>
Barry seems fascinated with the word "atheist" for some reason, but he's 
not really one of them: atheists don't usually believe in eternal 
Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, karma, reincarnation and notions of the Tibetan 
Bardo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo 

Atheism is the rejection of the belief in the existence of deities or 
that there are deities, but no credible atheist claims they can prove 
that God does not exist. Neither can atheism explain why there is 
something in the first place rather than nothing. It's also absurd to 
believe that the the universe has always existed because the concept of 
eternality is not found in the practical world - everything we know is 
temporary. Go figure.


/"There are no atheists in foxholes."/ - Ernie Pyle

/"In fact, 'atheism' is a term that should not even exist. No one ever 
needs to identify himself as a 'non-astrologer' or a "non-alchemist". We 
do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that 
aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their 
cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make 
in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs."/ - Sam Harris


Works cited:

'Letter to a Christian Nation'
by Sam Harris
Vintage, 2006
p. 51

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/2/2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 ...when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to 
have an "internal image" of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda 
and prejudice, and which they then "project" onto the person they're looking 
at, not really seeing them at all. >
 Sort of like this reply Barry posted in response to one of my early messages:
 
 "Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time
 doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out
 of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad
 cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things..."
 
 Author: Uncle Tantra
 Subject: Open Letter To Willytex
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST

The "I figure I should explain a couple of things..." would have unnerved me.

But that's just me...

...reading the last sentence of Uncle's rant.
 
  
 ...when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they seem to 
have an "internal image" of them based on the imprint of years of propaganda 
and prejudice, and which they then "project" onto the person they're looking 
at, not really seeing them at all. >
 Sort of like this reply Barry posted in response to one of my early messages:
 
 "Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time
 doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out
 of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad
 cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things..."
 
 Author: Uncle Tantra
 Subject: Open Letter To Willytex
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST

The "

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/2/2014 6:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
...when Americans think of people from different ethnic groups, they 
seem to have an "internal image" of them based on the imprint of years 
of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then "project" onto the 
person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. 

>
Sort of like this reply Barry posted in response to one of my early 
messages:


/"Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you do with your time//
//doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately, and you've been going out//
//of your way to associate me with Rama and thus with a big, bad//
//cult figure, I figure I should explain a couple of things.//.."/

Author: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Open Letter To Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST

[FairfieldLife] Re: !Let Us Gird on our Spiritual Armor and Fight!

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jai Guru Dev, let us fight for reason in a world where science and progress 
will lead to happiness...
 The modern science is om so quite clear now, that everyone should have the 
time and the resources for adequate enough quiet time and effective 
transcendent meditation everyday, twice a day and more. Let us hasten the day 
when this will be, it cannot happen fast enough. We must have a new spiritual 
standard of living that is ultimately spiritual and scientific. Let us all 
fight for that now.  We who know must act for everyone.  Let us join in 
effective meditation together, 
 -Buck in the Dome
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo
 

 

 
 I'll bet that everyone here has their favorite line from Charlie Chaplin's 
Great Dictator Speech.
 

 Mine is: "Only the unloved hate"
 

 ain't it sad and a shame?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]



--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, 
including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally 
conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various 
emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything 
because it includes them all.

>
On 10/2/2014 12:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me 
it sounds like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not 
saying this is not your experience it is just that it doesn't sound 
like your every day experience.

>
/"Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink//
//Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain; //
//Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink //
//And rise and sink and rise and sink again; //
//Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath, //
//Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone; //
//Yet many a man is making friends with death //
//Even as I speak, for lack of love alone. //
//It well may be that in a difficult hour, //
//Pinned down by pain and moaning for release, //
//Or nagged by want past resolution’s power, //
//I might be driven to sell your love for peace, //
//Or trade the memory of this night for food. //
//It well may be. I do not think I would." /

Love is Not All - It IS Not Meat Nor Drink
http://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/love-not-all-sonnet-xxx

http://www.humanities360.com/index.php/poetry-analysis-sonnet-xxx-by-edna-st-vincent-millay-6971/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_St._Vincent_Millay

[FairfieldLife] !Let Us Gird on our Spiritual Armor and Fight!

2014-10-02 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Jai Guru Dev, let us fight for reason in a world where science and progress 
will lead to happiness...
 The modern science is om so quite clear now, that everyone should have the 
time and the resources for adequate enough quiet time and effective 
transcendent meditation everyday, twice a day and more. Let us hasten the day 
when this will be, it cannot happen fast enough. We must have a new spiritual 
standard of living that is ultimately spiritual and scientific. Let us all 
fight for that now.  We who know must act for everyone.  Let us join in 
effective meditation together, 
 -Buck in the Dome
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/2/2014 1:06 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've 
gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their 
personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also 
believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important.  >
 There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than any of my 
teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in order for you to 
have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a devastating to your ego when 
your teacher failed to float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get 
over it? Maybe in a next life?
 
 
 
 Sometimes, Ricky, you totally crack me up. You're in good form today, maybe 
you should go buy a lottery ticket.
 
 We all have won the lottery to have won Richard's commentary daily.
 >
 Maybe I should re-phrase my quip: Frederick Lenz was able to levitate and 
perform many more magical tricks than any teacher I ever had, but Lenz failed 
to walk on water and wound up floating on water instead (RIP). 

A common risk of people attempting extra-ordinary acts is that the next one 
won't work.

Kinda fatal mistake.

So kids, never try these things at home.

These demonstrations have been performed by Professional Drivers.

Safety first.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/2/2014 1:29 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

 Thanks for taking up this Issue, while I needed to step away to reread Sleep 
and Dreams: A Sourcebook Compiled by Jayne Gackenbach. >
 You might be interested in this paper by Gackenbach on the experience of lucid 
dreaming among TMers and its relationship to witnessing:
 
Not so much, but thanks. Have you given any thought to my inquiry about 
sleep-walking?

Is it good exercise?

Also, if I use Large Type, can I write more briefly, yet communicate more?

 http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/fromlucid.htm 
http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/fromlucid.htm
 
 A lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he or she is 
dreaming. From what I've read, the phenomenon of lucid dreaming has been well 
established by scientific research by Gackenbach and others, so its existence 
is well established. Barry may not be aware that Dream Yoga has been practiced 
by Tibetan Buddhists for years. 
 
 In Tibetan Dream Yoga, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state 
is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described by Tenzin Wangyal 
Rinpoche as Rigpa Awareness. Rigpa Awareness is very similar to 'witnessing 
sleep' in TM, which helps the individual understand the unreality of waking 
consciousness as phenomena. Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa 
Awareness as in TM.  In Tibetan Yoga lucid dreaming is secondary to the 
experience of the Diamond Light. 
 
 Read more:
 
 'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
 by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
 Snow Lion, 1998 
 
 'Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines' 
 By Lama Kazi Dawa-Samdup and W. Y. Evans-Wentz
 Oxford University Press, 1967

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Excellent! Sounds like a great honeymoon - When we first met, mid-90's, we
would go to this divey but safe, psuedo-polynesian bar (with the requisite
homemade wallpaper of nude women in the men's room), called, The Kon Tiki -
Great bartender - name was Harold. We brought in some drink umbrellas for him
to give the customers, adding a little more south sea island flair to the place
- lol. Bon voyage - He made very strong Long Island Ice Teas. Now, the
neighborhood is Korean, and the place is a cafe.

Lovely history.

A cafe!

Bring back the Kon Tiki!

Same fate for the West End Bar. Place was made famous by Kerouac and Ginsberg,
who frequented during their college years at Columbia.

Every table had carved names of literary types (or counterfeits). My future
bride was a barmaid and I a regular. She knew what she was getting in to.

A marriage made in...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

First she sailed around the world, with one other person, in a 32' boat, and
then we met. Instantly discovered faraway places we have both been, including
past lives (Japan and Western US) - We complement each other very well, once
again. A marriage made in heaven. Lovely
Me and my better half met in a bar.
Famous, literary bar.

Traveled together to faraway places.
Honeymooned in Peru & Ecuador before much plumbing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so
don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard
(who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift).

Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a strip
mall, in Fremont, CA that my wife and I saw, and the name instantly become part
of our vocabulary (well, mine, anyway...). It is called, creatively, "The Niche
Business Cafe".
I imagine you walk in, and are given a short interview, on how "niche" your
particular business is, and if you qualify, you're in. So, for example, a shoe
salesman, is out, but a bowling shoe salesman, is seated immediately. Sporting
goods out, but selling just fishing line? Booth or table? ... I got it, but I'm
not sure everyone did.

You could start a Poll on ffl

like:

I make money the Old Fashioned Way...I don't work (doesn't sound that good when
I see it on the screen, and Richard says this will be preserved eternally. Is
that enough time to change it? Is it enough time to change careers? Is it
enough time?

You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies
. . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's
immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this
physical environment
L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath
that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't
stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around
here and there
L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say
in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . .
and these are my Self
L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the
universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely
delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes
see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am
able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I
see, feel and think
L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive
about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone
else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short,
I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the
same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

I think I'm a little bit of this and a little bit of that - kind of like what
my husband and I ordered off the thai menu last night when we had: #9, #22 with
tofu, #13, #55 and #60. We like to experience lots of tastes and we still have
some left ov

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/01/2014 12:22 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

   
 
 As for enjoyable (?) entertainment, I recommend Forbrydelsen 1-3, I got it 
from a Dane blond (or is it blond Dane?) at a wine bar a coupla nights ago. 
 
 
 All three season of Forbrydelsen are available on Daily Motion:
 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22vj4o_forbrydelsen-2007-s1-e1_shortfilms 
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22vj4o_forbrydelsen-2007-s1-e1_shortfilms
 Bhairitu,

Thank you for this. I need to watch something tonight because my religious 
holiday calls for a day of Repentance, but I don't have any repenting to do, so 
I'll watch a couple of episodes and reflect on why others do have some 
repenting to do.

Educational and self-developing, too.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!

2014-10-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


On 10/01/2014 12:22 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:



As for enjoyable (?) entertainment, I recommend Forbrydelsen 1-3, I 
got it from a Dane blond (or is it blond Dane?) at a wine bar a coupla 
nights ago.


All three season of Forbrydelsen are available on Daily Motion:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22vj4o_forbrydelsen-2007-s1-e1_shortfilms

[FairfieldLife] This great news just in from Bob Roth: Bill O'Reilly on the good works of the David Lynch Foundation

2014-10-02 Thread Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife]

A fun 85-second video!


Forwarded from: Ken Chawkin 

This great news just in from Bob Roth: Bill O'Reilly on the good works of the 
David Lynch Foundation...

Last night on Fox News "O'Reilly Factor," Bill O'Reilly talked about recently 
running into Paul McCartney, Paul's Radio City concert for the David Lynch 
Foundation in 2009, and Bill's support for the work of the David Lynch 
Foundation to bring Transcendental Meditation to at-risk youth. Amazing!... 1 
minute 25 seconds

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html#/v/3816455236001

Bob Roth
Executive Director
David Lynch Foundation
216 East 45th Street, Suite 1301
New York, NY 10017
212-644-9880 (o)
212-809-7000 (c)
b...@davidlynchfoundation.org
www.davidlynchfoundation.org

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Traveled together to faraway places.
Honeymooned in Peru & Ecuador before much plumbing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

You could start a Poll on ffl

like:

You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. Sh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/2/2014 1:06 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

People will believe anything that makes them feel more
important. If they've gotten to the point in their self
discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of
self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also
believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more
important. 

>
/There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher
than any of my teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important
to you in order for you to have any sense of self-worth. It must
have been a devastating to your ego when your teacher failed to
float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get over it?
Maybe in a next life?/

Sometimes, Ricky, you totally crack me up. You're in good form today, 
maybe you should go buy a lottery ticket.

We all have won the lottery to have won Richard's commentary daily.

>
Maybe I should re-phrase my quip: /Frederick Lenz was able to levitate 
and perform many more magical tricks than any teacher I ever had, but 
Lenz failed to walk on water and wound up floating on water instead (RIP)./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


On 10/2/2014 1:29 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
Thanks for taking up this Issue, while I needed to step away to reread 
Sleep and Dreams: A Sourcebook Compiled by Jayne Gackenbach.

>
You might be interested in this paper by Gackenbach on the experience of 
lucid dreaming among TMers and its relationship to witnessing:


http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/fromlucid.htm

/A lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he or she 
is dreaming./ From what I've read, the phenomenon of lucid dreaming has 
been well established by scientific research by Gackenbach and others, 
so its existence is well established. Barry may not be aware that /Dream 
Yoga/ has been practiced by Tibetan Buddhists for years.


In /Tibetan Dream Yoga/, maintaining full consciousness while in the 
dream state is part of /Dzogchen/ training. This training is described 
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as /Rigpa Awareness/. Rigpa Awareness is very 
similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, which helps the individual 
understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena. 
/Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in TM./  
In Tibetan Yoga lucid dreaming is secondary to the experience of the 
/Diamond Light/.


Read more:

/'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'/
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Snow Lion, 1998

/'Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines' /
By Lama Kazi Dawa-Samdup and W. Y. Evans-Wentz
Oxford University Press, 1967

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/1/2014 10:54 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be 
allowed to use per household.  We'll all be walking around smelling to high 
heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. >
 The native inhabitants have the first right of water use, since they were here 
first. It is widely recognized that native Americans were the first users of 
water, so they get the first appropriation rights. Your right to the water and 
your bathing rituals are far down on the list of first use water rights. What 
you need to do is conserve water by not wasting it taking several long showers 
and washing your clothing every single day.
 I had a well dug.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 10:54 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you 
will be allowed to use per household.  We'll all be walking around 
smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers 
or clean our clothes.

>
/The native inhabitants have the first right of water use, since they 
were here first. It is widely recognized that native Americans were the 
first users of water, so they get the first appropriation rights. Your 
right to the water and your bathing rituals are far down on the list of 
first use water rights. What you need to do is conserve water by not 
wasting it taking several long showers and washing your clothing every 
single day./

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Traveled together to faraway places.
Honeymooned in Peru & Ecuador before much plumbing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

You could start a Poll on ffl

like:

You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

I would be most honored to make your wife's acquiantance. She could do the
ordering making sure to absolutely get a #4 for you and afterwards we could all
talk about art. Are we meeting in Victoria or in NYC? If so I will have to have
a visit with my niece in Brooklyn. She is an artist too.

My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.

And the #4 was as delicious as you said.

Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...

Don't thank us, we were jus

[FairfieldLife] On the Brink: Maitreya Emerges

2014-10-02 Thread nablusoss1008

On the Brink: Maitreya Emerges 
http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/
 
 
 http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ 
 
 On the Brink: Maitreya Emerges 
http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ In the April 
2014 issue of The Edge, the title of an article asked: If the Christ or Buddha 
returned today, would you recognize Him? In that article, you read
 
 
 
 View on www.edgemagazine.net 
http://www.edgemagazine.net/2014/10/on-the-brink-maitreya-emerges/ 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

You could start a Poll on ffl

like:

You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.

And the #4 was as delicious as you said.

Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...

Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail

2014-10-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks for sharing this - Very well written, and good science - (I just read
the second one)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate
subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences.

Group means for M-Scale were:
Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47;
Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15;
Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61.

Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were:
Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21;
Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71;
Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96.

Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview
questions.

The results were reported in two different papers:

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 
 And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit. 
 >
 "The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people having 
these experiences exhibit one of the EEG signatures of transcendental 
consciousness, which is theta/alpha (7-9 Hz) EEG relative power, along with the 
signature of deep sleep, which is delta EEG (1-4 Hz)." - David Orme-Johnsom
 >
 
 One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing 
articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as 
that there is a subset of patients who complain that they "Never fall asleep." 
Their subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so 
they're worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no 
symptoms of sleep deprivation. 
 >
 Most of the time when these kinds of conditions are examined, the "insomniacs" 
simply can't tell the difference between wakefulness and sleeping. They may 
think they are just resting when in reality they are asleep - maybe they are 
taking mico-naps lasting just a few minutes. It is a very rare condition when 
sleep deprivation can't be explained by a medical science - such causes as 
fever, illness, genetic mutation or psychological disorder.
 >
 When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these 
folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along 
with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never 
lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always 
awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range 
of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. 
 >
 Acute or chronic insomnia is called Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI). Total 
sleeplessness has yet to be explained by science, so you seem to be one of the 
science writers today that have new information about this disorder. A full 
report should be on PubMed by now,right?
 >
 In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a 
couple of dozen people who report this. >
 Total sleep deprivation is very rare and only about 100 cases have ever been 
the subject of a clinical study and only maybe two have never been explained by 
medical science. The quack you are working for should probably hire a lawyer to 
look into this, since according to your short report, there are more incidences 
of total sleeplessness at their clinic than in the whole of medical science 
worldwide. Go figure.
 >
 All of them are just normal people off the street. >
 The key word here is "fatal" in the condition known in science as FFI, and 
leads to death in almost all cases leads to panic attacks, hallucinations, 
delirium, confusion, weight loss, and then dementia and death. FFI has no known 
cure and involves progressively worsening conditions. Death usually occurs 
between 7 and 36 months from onset, according to what I've read.
 >
 Not one of them meditates. >
 Everyone meditates, Barry, every time they pause to think about something. 
Anyone who isn't able to think is unconscious and obviously sleeping. Go figure.
 
 Richard,

Is there ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW?

Here's a toughie:

Am I about to go to sleep for an afternoon nap in anticipation of a late-night 
out?

Or not.


Curious Dan

Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-02 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/02/2014 10:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. 
 

 I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others.



 
 Being that Uranus was not discovered until 1781, Neptune 1846 and Jyotish was 
around centuries before that, yes.  But then what if the real use of astrology 
is to track cycles that occur on earth?  IOW, they are just time markers the 
same way that ancient civilizations tracking time by the Sun and Moon.
 
Pluto would be tracking a 248 year cycle! Bit longer than I'm expecting to be 
around. But they wouldn't just be tracking, seems to me that they would have to 
be connected for it be relevant as opposed to just a coincidence. In fact, King 
Tony joins the planets to bits of the brain, complete bollocks as far as I'm 
concerned but he's obviously thought about it. Funny thing is his diagram has 
the outer planets but no link to the brain for them. Could be the worst bit of 
science I have ever seen. But the really baffling thing for me is the chart 
itself; someone born in one place has a different effect from the same planets 
as someone born somewhere else or somewhen else. It's all too hellishly complex 
that everyone has a different map of life from the same few planets whirling 
about at the varying distances the manage during their (and our) orbit. But we 
must be locked in some sort of cycle because I've a niggling feeling we've 
discussed this before once or twice ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

You could start a Poll on ffl

like:

You and your lucky wife sound well paired (and I'm am not talking jealously).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.

And the #4 was as delicious as you said.

Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...

Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

>

And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit.

>
/"The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people 
having these experiences exhibit one of the EEG signatures of 
transcendental consciousness, which is theta/alpha (7-9 Hz) EEG relative 
power, along with the signature of deep sleep, which is delta EEG (1-4 
Hz)."/ - David Orme-Johnsom

>


One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing 
articles about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. 
Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they 
"Never fall asleep." Their subjective experience is that they never 
lose conscious awareness, so they're worried that they've got a sleep 
disorder, even though they display no symptoms of sleep deprivation.

>
Most of the time when these kinds of conditions are examined, the 
"insomniacs" simply can't tell the difference between wakefulness and 
sleeping. They may think they are just resting when in reality they are 
asleep - maybe they are taking mico-naps lasting just a few minutes. /It 
is a very rare condition/ when sleep deprivation can't be explained by a 
medical science - such causes as fever, illness, genetic mutation or 
psychological disorder.

>
When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, 
these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of 
sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's 
just that they never lose their subjective awareness. In other words, 
a part of them is always awake, witnessing their subjective experience 
as they navigate the entire range of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep.

>
Acute or chronic insomnia is called Fatal Familial Insomnia (FFI). Total 
sleeplessness has yet to be explained by science, so you seem to be one 
of the science writers today that have new information about this 
disorder. A full report should be on PubMed by now,right?

>
In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe 
a couple of dozen people who report this. 

>
Total sleep deprivation is very rare and only about 100 cases have ever 
been the subject of a clinical study and only maybe two have never been 
explained by medical science. The quack you are working for should 
probably hire a lawyer to look into this, since according to your short 
report, there are more incidences of total sleeplessness at their clinic 
/than in the whole of medical science worldwide. /Go figure.

>
All of them are just normal people off the street. 

>
The key word here is "fatal" in the condition known in science as FFI, 
and leads to death in almost all cases leads to panic attacks, 
hallucinations, delirium, confusion, weight loss, and then dementia and 
death. FFI has no known cure and involves progressively worsening 
conditions. Death usually occurs between 7 and 36 months from onset, 
according to what I've read.

>
Not one of them meditates. 

>
Everyone meditates, Barry, every time they pause to think about 
something. Anyone who isn't able to think is unconscious and obviously 
sleeping. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "That is how imperfection disappears." What a daily miracle that is.
 
Which reminds me.

This Week's Tease Shirt Winner wore:

 Jerry Garcia
Lunt-Fontaine Theater


Just good Vintage Fun!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As 
such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, 
peace, joy and love. I agree with him.  

 

 I would say that evolution is love in action.
 

 How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the 
Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how 
imperfection disappears.

 
 
I'm on you side, Lovely.


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, "jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 

In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.

Maybe you are meaning this below. 

(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not 
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If 
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and 
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move 
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all 
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, 
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love 
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not 
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not 
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does 
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always 
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will 
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where 
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part 
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the 
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, 
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.



 ---  wrote :
 
 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 

---  wrote :

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not 
mean shit.  ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that 
they "Never fall asleep." ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their 
physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the 
classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM 
activity"
 

 Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel 
as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness 
of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep 
sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep 
sleep.
 

 Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 
become less, often significantly. 
 

 Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being 
awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50  
and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non 
REM sleep may be more likely to experience "witnessing sleep". 
 

 Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A 
strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking 
functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak 
stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower 
proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and 
working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and 
performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also 
contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to 
wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. 
 

 Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing 
sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many 
possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due 
to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting 
in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent 
reduction of applied intelligence .  
 

 I hope bawee is reading your posts because you sound like you know what you're 
talking about. It is a lot more refreshing than reading bawee's knee-jerk (did 
I say "jerk"?) simple-minded reactions to everything that exist merely to try 
and make others look ignorant and small. Stick around, you and Salyavin might 
have some things in common.

Thanks for taking up this Issue, while I needed to step away to reread Sleep 
and Dreams: A Sourcebook Compiled by Jayne Gackenbach.

Here's some sense (and my 2 cents):

"The following is a description of witnessing dreaming described by a subject:
'Often during dreaming I am awake inside, in a very peaceful, blissful state. 
Dreams come and go, thoughts about the dreams come and go, but I remian in a 
deeply peaceful state, completely separate from the dreams and the thoughts. My 
body is asleep and inert, breathing goes on regularly and mechanically, and 
inside I am just aware that I am' Gackenbach, J. and LaBerge, S (1986)"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 

---  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

---  wrote :

 That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest. 


I think share is a little confused. 
Whttt!Love and hate are 
extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita 
is to be moderate and maintain equipose.

Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a 
terrestrial quality.

Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the 
enlightened man does have likes and dislikes.


  You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know 
exactly what they are talking about!

Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person:
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. 

You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: 
I think share is a little confused. 

I'm coming back to you!

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.

And the #4 was as delicious as you said.

Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...

Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


On 10/02/2014 10:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones.

I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others.


Being that Uranus was not discovered until 1781, Neptune 1846 and 
Jyotish was around centuries before that, yes.  But then what if the 
real use of astrology is to track cycles that occur on earth?  IOW, they 
are just time markers the same way that ancient civilizations tracking 
time by the Sun and Moon.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Dan! I almost ordered this book a couple of weeks ago! 

 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:05 PM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
   

     


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher 
states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below 
article as a starting point).I wonder a lot about this, including:

To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC,  living and 
ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love?  If a 
researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, 
oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and 
activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained 
high/intense love, how would the love experience change?  What role does 
meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and 
balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, 
activation potentials, etc)?Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of 
these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other 
modalities augment or even replace  (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / 
meditation practices and states?
SSRS talks extensively on this:
"Love makes your practice fresh and new. It is love which nourishes, pushes 
forward your technique, your progress, your growth."
quoted from : God Loves Fun
Also see Narada Bhakti Sutra: The Aphorisms of Love. I have 3 versions; from 
Simple to Profound.
(following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)Source:Wiki  
 Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  
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Studiesin neuroscience have involved chemicals thatare present in the brain and 
might be involved when people experience love.These chemicals include: nerve 
growth factor,[8] testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, 
oxytocin, andvasopressin.[9] Adequate brainlevels of testosterone seem 
important for both human male and female sexualbehavior.[10] 
Dopamine,norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the 
attractionphase of a relationship.[11] Oxytocinand vasopressin seemed to be 
more closely linked to long term bonding andrelationships characterized by 
strong attachments.…SerotoninChemically,the serotonin effects of being 
infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsivedisorder, 
which could explain why people experiencing infatuationcannot think of anyone 
else.[13] For this reasonsome, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that 
taking SSRIs andother antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In 
one particularcase Fisher noted:Iknow of one couple on the edge of divorce. The 
wife was on an antidepressant.Then she went off it, started having orgasms once 
more, felt the renewal ofsexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in 
love all over again.[14]OxytocinSimplified overview ofthe chemical basis of 
love.Mainarticle: OxytocinThelong-term attachment felt after the initial "in 
love" passionatephase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a 
chemicalreleased after orgasm.[15] Moreover, noveltytriggers attraction. Even 
exercising for several minutes can make one moreattracted to other people on 
account of increased heart rate and otherphysiological responses.Nerve growth 
factorIn2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University found that a 
proteinmolecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF)has high levels when 
people first fall in love, but these return to previouslevels after one year. 
Specifically, four neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF, NT-3,and NT-4) of 58 
subjects who had recently fallenin love were compared with levels in two 
control groups who were either singleor already engaged in a long-term 
relationship. The results showed that NGFlevels were significantly higher in 
the subjects in love than as compared toeither of the control 
groups.[16]CortisolIndividualswho have recently fallen in love show higher 
levels of cortisol.[17] To explore whetherthis correlation was merely due to 
general changes in life associated withbeginning a relationship, Loving et al. 
performed an experimental study inwhich women who had recently fallen in love 
were randomly asked to think abouttheir partners and relationship or about a 
romantically neutral male friend.The authors found that the romance-related 
thoughts triggered an acute increasein cortisol compared with thoughts about 
the friend. The cortisol effect wasmore pronounced for those women who spent 
more time thinking about theirrelationship. NGF tends to activate

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS

2014-10-02 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Kind of have to agree with you Bhairitu. I think Saddam's army was mainly for 
show. He did have his Republican Guard that would fight, though they shed their 
uniforms for civi's to blend in with the general population . However, I bet 
they are mostly ISIS now.  That cop that shot the Brown character in Mo. was 
absolutely terrifying, enough to make a Navy SEAL soil his britches. He and the 
Pillsbury Doughboy could really rattle ISIS. Hell, I'd put that little girl 
from Jersey that shot her instructor with an uzi up against ISIS, just don't 
let me be around at the time. 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:01 AM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
   

  On 10/01/2014 09:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
    From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
   
     I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in 
Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi 
army body guards. He asked one , what would  he do if he saw ISIS coming at him 
and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman 
asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that 
he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or 
patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm 
during the first and second Iraq wars? 
 
Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the 
millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed 
in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all  the killing had just 
said, "Fuck this," and gone home. 
 
  
 
 However they also did this during the Gulf War.  I don't think Saddam wanted a 
"strong" military as he probably feared they would overthrow him.  He had his 
loyal secret police instead.  I also don't think the US wanted a strong 
military there or they would overthrow the puppets we put in place.  Maybe we 
should export some of our "cowboy cops" to Iraq who would make quick work of 
ISIS.  And if ISIS really actually tried to do something in the US our "gun 
nuts" would make quick work of them. 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've 
gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their 
personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also 
believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important.  >
 There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than any of my 
teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in order for you to 
have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a devastating to your ego when 
your teacher failed to float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get 
over it? Maybe in a next life?
 
 

 Sometimes, Ricky, you totally crack me up. You're in good form today, maybe 
you should go buy a lottery ticket.

We all have won the lottery to have won Richard's commentary daily.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher 
states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below 
article as a starting point).
 I wonder a lot about this, including:
 To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC,  living 
and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love?  
If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, 
oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and 
activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained 
high/intense love, how would the love experience change?  
 What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating 
sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to 
receptors, activation potentials, etc)?
 Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, 
activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace 
 (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states?
 SSRS talks extensively on this:
 

 "Love makes your practice fresh and new. It is love which nourishes, pushes 
forward your technique, your progress, your growth."
 

 quoted from : God Loves Fun
 

 Also see Narada Bhakti Sutra: The Aphorisms of Love. I have 3 versions; from 
Simple to Profound.

 (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)
 Source: Wiki   Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love  
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
 
 Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love The theory of a 
biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as 
evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and...


 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 Studies in neuroscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience have 
involved chemicals that are present in the brain and might be involved when 
people experience love. These chemicals include: nerve growth factor 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor,[8] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-8 testosterone 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone, estrogen 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen, dopamine 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine, norepinephrine 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine, serotonin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin, oxytocin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin, andvasopressin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin.[9] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-9 Adequate 
brain levels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female 
sexual behavior.[10] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-10 
 Dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the 
attraction phase of a relationship.[11] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-11 
 Oxytocin and vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding 
and relationships characterized by strong attachments.
 …
 Serotonin
 Chemically, the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical 
appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder, which could explain why people 
experiencing infatuation cannot think of anyone else.[13] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-13 For this 
reason some, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor and other 
antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particular case 
Fisher noted:
 I know of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an 
antidepressant. Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt 
the renewal of sexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all 
over again.[14] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-14
 Oxytocin
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chemical_basis_of_love.png
 Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love.
 Main article: Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
 The long-term attachment felt after the initial "in love" passionate phase of 
the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemical released after 
orgasm.[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-15 
Moreover, novelty triggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can 
make one more attracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and 
other physiological responses.
 Nerve growth factor
 In 2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia_University found that a protein molecule

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 

 Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds 
like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not 
your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience.
 
 
This is so beautiful!

So inspiring.

I'm moved.

Are those my tears dropping gently on the screen?

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

My son is an artist living in Brooklyn. Does niecey need an inspiring lover?
He comes highly recommended.

And the #4 was as delicious as you said.

Sorry, our appetites got the best of us and we couldn't wait; what with all
those flights, taxis, packing, schlepping, walking, getting lost...

Don't thank us, we were just saving you a trip.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/02/2014 07:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 The real psychological study should be of the "9-11 Deniers", those who just 
go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11... >
 We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our own mind. What 
questions do you have?
 
 'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report'
 Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report 
 
 
 
 Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report Popular Mechanics examines the 
evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy 
theories of September 11.


 
 View on www.popularmechan... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 
 Simpler still,
 
 I was there. Police and firefighters reported exactly what I saw. 
 
 Everyone in the area agreed. That is stronger confirmation than any 
commentator removed by distance and time who used their analysis and 
imagination.
 
 I gotta believe my lying eyes and those of the thousands of people who shared 
that experience with me.
 
 Bhairitu, in this case I'm thinking that you just may have seen one too many 
movies about all this. 
 
 Stick with What You Know to Be True.



 
 You mean like the police and firefighters who heard unexplained explosions 
going off in the building? Tell us what you saw.
 
 I'll stick with my investigation.  Willy probably gets his expertise on 
meditation and tantra from Popular Mechanics too.  :-D 

Apologize to Richard for your snarky remark.
And don't put a smiley face on it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 Share,

I'm making the quote my New Improved Motto (money-back guaranteed):

 If only you could love enough you would be the happiest and most powerful 
being in the world. - Emmet Fox

 P.S. In return I offer a reco: This is My Beloved


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 funnily enough, Dan, one of my favorite writings about love is from a man, 
Emmet Fox:
 LOVE
 There is no difficulty that enough love will not conquer;
 No disease that enough love will not heal;
 No door that enough love will not open;
 No gulf that enough love will not bridge;
 No wall that enough love will not throw down;
 No sin that enough love will not redeem...
 It makes no difference how deeply seated may be the trouble;
 How hopeless the outlook;
 How muddled the tangle;
 How great the mistake;
 A sufficient realization of love will dissolve it all...
 
 
 


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:45 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 
I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE.

KINDA HELPS.

back to the book

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

"That is how imperfection disappears." What a daily miracle that is.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As 
such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, 
peace, joy and love. I agree with him.  

 

 I would say that evolution is love in action.
 

 How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the 
Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how 
imperfection disappears.

 
 
I'm on you side, Lovely.


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, "jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 

In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.

Maybe you are meaning this below. 

(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not 
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If 
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and 
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move 
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all 
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, 
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love 
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not 
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not 
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does 
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always 
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will 
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where 
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part 
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the 
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, 
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.



 ---  wrote :
 
 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 

---  wrote :

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As 
such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, 
peace, joy and love. I agree with him.  

 

 I would say that evolution is love in action.
 

 How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the 
Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how 
imperfection disappears.

 
 
I'm on you side, Lovely.


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, "jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 

In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.

Maybe you are meaning this below. 

(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not 
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If 
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and 
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move 
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all 
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, 
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love 
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not 
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not 
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does 
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always 
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will 
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where 
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part 
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the 
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, 
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.



 ---  wrote :
 
 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 

---  wrote :

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 

In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.
bummer
Maybe you are meaning this below. 

(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not 
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If 
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and 
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move 
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all 
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, 
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love 
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not 
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not 
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does 
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always 
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will 
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where 
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part 
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the 
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, 
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.



 ---  wrote :
 
 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 

---  wrote :

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-02 Thread salyavin808

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones.

I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others.

It's tropical astrology that wants not only to use Pluto but asteroids as
well.

That makes even less sense, nobody knows exactly what is out there so if you
think a horoscope makes sense and then someone discovers something else you
can't have been right in the first place.

But I guess the ice people of Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-)

It must be up to our solar system brothers. Looks like we'll be doing a flyby
real soon.

That cool photo was taken by NASA's New Horizons probe, which is well on it's
way. Travelling at one million miles a day it still has 8 months before closest
approach! I look forward to that muchly:

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On 10/02/2014 07:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to
pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for poor old
Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the astronomical
world decide it was never a planet at all!

But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's having on us
again.

Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

seerdope, great stuff, great to have all this gathered in one place. Wish we 
could hook up a few people recognized as great lovers of humanity and this 
world, see what their brain chemistry looks like. I bet we'd see a combo of 
chemicals we've never seen before. 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:08 PM, "seerd...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
   

     Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in 
higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis 
(see below article as a starting point).I wonder a lot about this, including:
To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC,  living and 
ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love?  If a 
researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, 
oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and 
activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained 
high/intense love, how would the love experience change?  What role does 
meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and 
balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, 
activation potentials, etc)?Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of 
these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other 
modalities augment or even replace  (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / 
meditation practices and states?

(following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)Source:Wiki  
 Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia   
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 Studiesin neuroscience have involved chemicals thatare present in the brain 
and might be involved when people experience love.These chemicals include: 
nerve growth factor,[8] testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, 
serotonin, oxytocin, andvasopressin.[9] Adequate brainlevels of testosterone 
seem important for both human male and female sexualbehavior.[10]  
Dopamine,norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the 
attractionphase of a relationship.[11]  Oxytocinand vasopressin seemed to be 
more closely linked to long term bonding andrelationships characterized by 
strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically,the serotonin effects of being 
infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsivedisorder, 
which could explain why people experiencing infatuationcannot think of anyone 
else.[13] For this reasonsome, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that 
taking SSRIs andother antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In 
one particularcase Fisher noted: Iknow of one couple on the edge of divorce. 
The wife was on an antidepressant.Then she went off it, started having orgasms 
once more, felt the renewal ofsexual attraction for her husband, and they're 
now in love all over again.[14] Oxytocin  Simplified overview ofthe chemical 
basis of love. Mainarticle: Oxytocin Thelong-term attachment felt after the 
initial "in love" passionatephase of the relationship ends is related to 
oxytocin, a chemicalreleased after orgasm.[15] Moreover, noveltytriggers 
attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one moreattracted to 
other people on account of increased heart rate and otherphysiological 
responses. Nerve growth factor In2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University 
found that a proteinmolecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF)has high 
levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previouslevels after 
one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF, NT-3,and NT-4) of 
58 subjects who had recently fallenin love were compared with levels in two 
control groups who were either singleor already engaged in a long-term 
relationship. The results showed that NGFlevels were significantly higher in 
the subjects in love than as compared toeither of the control groups.[16] 
Cortisol Individualswho have recently fallen in love show higher levels of 
cortisol.[17] To explore whetherthis correlation was merely due to general 
changes in life associated withbeginning a relationship, Loving et al. 
performed an experimental study inwhich women who had recently fallen in love 
were randomly asked to think abouttheir partners and relationship or about a 
romantically neutral male friend.The authors found that the romance-related 
thoughts triggered an acute increasein cortisol compared with thoughts about 
the friend. The cortisol effect wasmore pronounced for those women who spent 
more time thinking about theirrelationship. NGF tends to activate 
thehypothalamic-pituitary-adrenalaxis, which can increase cortis

[FairfieldLife] Research on Cosmic Consciousness... more detail

2014-10-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

The criteria the Fred used to find his subjects in CC was that they had to have
continuous integration of transcendental experiences (TE) with waking and
sleeping for at least 1 year. The "Cont-TE" group.

A semi-structured interview and two measures of TE were used to substantiate
subjects’ self-reports of inner experiences.

Group means for M-Scale were:
Rare-TE:/18.19 +/-6.47;
Occas-TE:/39.59 +/-3.15;
Cont-TE:/60.79 +/-0.61.

Group means for the Physical-Transcendent Scale were:
Rare-TE:/35.79 +/-5.21;
Occas-TE:/61.49 +/-4.71;
Cont-TE:/84.19 +/-2.96.

Various EEG and other physical measures were done as well as interview
questions.

The results were reported in two different papers:

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf

http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ann, I bet everyone has experienced this deepest level of love at some point in 
their lives. Actually, I think we ARE this, at our core. And life delivers 
whatever we need to realize this and live it all the time. Which I don't. But 
it's my intention.



 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:07 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
   

     


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds 
like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not 
your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience.

  On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
  

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not 
mean shit.  ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that 
they "Never fall asleep." ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their 
physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the 
classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM 
activity"
 

 Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel 
as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness 
of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep 
sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep 
sleep.
 

 Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 
become less, often significantly. 
 

 Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being 
awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50  
and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non 
REM sleep may be more likely to experience "witnessing sleep". 
 

 Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A 
strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking 
functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak 
stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower 
proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and 
working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and 
performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also 
contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to 
wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. 
 

 Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing 
sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many 
possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due 
to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting 
in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent 
reduction of applied intelligence .  
 

 I hope bawee is reading your posts because you sound like you know what you're 
talking about. It is a lot more refreshing than reading bawee's knee-jerk (did 
I say "jerk"?) simple-minded reactions to everything that exist merely to try 
and make others look ignorant and small. Stick around, you and Salyavin might 
have some things in common.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

 

---  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

---  wrote :

 That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest. 


I think share is a little confused. Love and hate are 
extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita 
is to be moderate and maintain equipose.

Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a 
terrestrial quality.

Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the 
enlightened man does have likes and dislikes.
 

 Interesting. I know that I am thankful for both the celestial and the 
terrestrial. There are times when I am passionately compassionate - feet on the 
ground, head in the clouds.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've 
gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their 
personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also 
believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important.  >
 There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than any of my 
teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in order for you to 
have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a devastating to your ego when 
your teacher failed to float on water (RIP). Do you think you will ever get 
over it? Maybe in a next life?
 
 

 Sometimes, Ricky, you totally crack me up. You're in good form today, maybe 
you should go buy a lottery ticket.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher 
states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below 
article as a starting point).
 I wonder a lot about this, including:
 To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC,  living 
and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love?  
If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, 
oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and 
activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained 
high/intense love, how would the love experience change?  
 What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating 
sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to 
receptors, activation potentials, etc)?
 Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, 
activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace 
 (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states?
 

 (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)
 Source: Wiki   Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love  
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love 
 
 Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love The theory of a 
biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as 
evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and...
 
 
 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love 
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 Studies in neuroscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience have 
involved chemicals that are present in the brain and might be involved when 
people experience love. These chemicals include: nerve growth factor 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor,[8] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-8 testosterone 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone, estrogen 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen, dopamine 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine, norepinephrine 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine, serotonin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin, oxytocin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin, andvasopressin 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin.[9] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-9 Adequate 
brain levels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female 
sexual behavior.[10] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-10 
 Dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the 
attraction phase of a relationship.[11] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-11 
 Oxytocin and vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding 
and relationships characterized by strong attachments.
 …
 Serotonin
 Chemically, the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical 
appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder, which could explain why people 
experiencing infatuation cannot think of anyone else.[13] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-13 For this 
reason some, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor and other 
antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particular case 
Fisher noted:
 I know of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an 
antidepressant. Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt 
the renewal of sexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all 
over again.[14] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-14
 Oxytocin
 
 Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love.
 Main article: Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
 The long-term attachment felt after the initial "in love" passionate phase of 
the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemical released after 
orgasm.[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-15 
Moreover, novelty triggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can 
make one more attracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and 
other physiological responses.
 Nerve growth factor
 In 2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia_University found that a protein molecule 
known as the nerve growth factor 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor (NGF) has high levels when 
people first fall in love, but these return to previous levels after one year. 
Specifically, four neurotrophin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotrophin 
levels (NGF, BDNF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDNF, NT-3 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT-3, and NT-4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT-4) 
o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 

 Hmmm, you are fortunate if this is your actual experience but for me it sounds 
like this came out of a book or two that you read. I'm not saying this is not 
your experience it is just that it doesn't sound like your every day experience.
 
 


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

Did you miss that this was a review paper, not a study? 

 and the very definition of CC is "the integration of transcendental 
experiences with waking, dreaming, and sleeping" so the fact that he doesn't 
use CC should be taken that he is talking to a mainstream audience, rather than 
some group of TMers.
 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discussion is the conclusion, the typical end of any scientific paper. If 
this section is missing, what was the point of the paper? This part of the 
paper tells the reader what the researcher considers the conclusion drawn from 
the results of the study, often suggesting further lines of research etc.  The 
words 'cosmic consciousness' nor its abbreviation 'CC' does not appear in this 
summing up of the research, though these terms appear appears prominently 
earlier in the paper; the abbreviation CC does not appear in the paper. That is 
rather curious. For the reader not familiar with this terminology, the 
connexion might not be drawn. I have had awareness during sleep as the result 
of medications (a long time ago), awareness during sleep might have other 
causes, so I think Fred down peddled the result in not making more of it at the 
end. While awareness during sleep is a common phenomenon in spiritual 
traditions it is so far not a standard way of describing consciousness in 
scientific circles. Perhaps Fred is not trying to push the envelope here. But 
not re-mentioning CC as one of the points of the paper and only mentioning it 
as an 'integration of transcendental experiences' kind of dilutes the effect of 
states of consciousness he seems to be promoting in the paper.
 

 I do not consider any of the states of consciousness as states of 
consciousness. Consciousness is mysterious and it is integral, always the same, 
Fred is describing states of the mind, which seem to be the results of the 
functioning of the brain. Consciousness, while we all know it is there, has no 
scientific definition, and you cannot define states of something which is 
undefined. Consciousness is the one undefined and undefinable value of human 
experience, and I think it will remain outside the purview of research. But we 
will find out a lot about the brain and its functioning. What Fred is 
researching is the contents of consciousness, the variable aspects of 
experience. If consciousness is absolute, it cannot have variable states. The 
nature of absolute does not really come into experience clearly until BC; until 
then you have 'reflections' of various states of mind in consciousness. And as 
I said, Fred probably has his hands tied, since at least while at MUM under the 
eye of the TMO, he cannot come to too many conclusions that contradict movement 
philosophy.
 

 All the research you cite is a prequel to CC, mostly a foretelling of CC, 
hinting at CC, so it does not have much relevance to enlightenment, as even UC 
is unfinished business in the enlightenment realm. And once that business is 
over, everything is back where you started. Much Ado about Nothing. There have 
been people who have gone from WC to BC in a flash, so all the intermediate 
stuff is technically not necessary because enlightenment does not reveal 
anything that was not already present in WC, although in practice one seems to 
need to 'do stuff' to come to realisation. All that that happens is certain 
mistaken thoughts we have about life, go away, finally. And then life goes on, 
as it always had.
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:49 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
 
 
   "He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either."
 

 

Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the 
discussion section, which you only partially quote, actually starts out talking 
about the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming and 
sleeping (CC). To suggest that he doesn't mention it when its the first line of 
the first paragraph, is, well, overtly deceptive: 

 

 Discussion
 Brain patterns that defined transcendental experiences during TM practice and 
the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming, and 
sleeping were mainly found in frontal brain areas. This suggests that frontal 
circuits may play a critical role in transcendental experiences and the growth 
of higher states of consciousness. These states could be called higher states 
in that (1) the subject/object relationship is different in these states 
compared to waking, sleeping, and dreaming; (2) the sense of self is more 
expanded in these states; and (3) the physiological patterns are distinct from 
those during waking, dreaming, and sleeping.

 The development of higher states may be an extension of the developmental 
trajectory that began as a toddler and continued into adulthood, supporting the 
emergence of adult abstract reas

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

The discussion is the conclusion, the typical end of any scientific paper. If 
this section is missing, what was the point of the paper? This part of the 
paper tells the reader what the researcher considers the conclusion drawn from 
the results of the study, often suggesting further lines of research etc.  The 
words 'cosmic consciousness' nor its abbreviation 'CC' does not appear in this 
summing up of the research, though these terms appear appears prominently 
earlier in the paper; the abbreviation CC does not appear in the paper. That is 
rather curious. For the reader not familiar with this terminology, the 
connexion might not be drawn. I have had awareness during sleep as the result 
of medications (a long time ago), awareness during sleep might have other 
causes, so I think Fred down peddled the result in not making more of it at the 
end. While awareness during sleep is a common phenomenon in spiritual 
traditions it is so far not a standard way of
 describing consciousness in scientific circles. Perhaps Fred is not trying to 
push the envelope here. But not re-mentioning CC as one of the points of the 
paper and only mentioning it as an 'integration of transcendental experiences' 
kind of dilutes the effect of states of consciousness he seems to be promoting 
in the paper.

I do not consider any of the states of consciousness as states of 
consciousness. Consciousness is mysterious and it is integral, always the same, 
Fred is describing states of the mind, which seem to be the results of the 
functioning of the brain. Consciousness, while we all know it is there, has no 
scientific definition, and you cannot define states of something which is 
undefined. Consciousness is the one undefined and undefinable value of human 
experience, and I think it will remain outside the purview of research. But we 
will find out a lot about the brain and its functioning. What Fred is 
researching is the contents of consciousness, the variable aspects of 
experience. If consciousness is absolute, it cannot have variable states. The 
nature of absolute does not really come into experience clearly until BC; until 
then you have 'reflections' of various states of mind in consciousness. And as 
I said, Fred probably has his hands tied, since at least
 while at MUM under the eye of the TMO, he cannot come to too many conclusions 
that contradict movement philosophy.

All the research you cite is a prequel to CC, mostly a foretelling of CC, 
hinting at CC, so it does not have much relevance to enlightenment, as even UC 
is unfinished business in the enlightenment realm. And once that business is 
over, everything is back where you started. Much Ado about Nothing. There have 
been people who have gone from WC to BC in a flash, so all the intermediate 
stuff is technically not necessary because enlightenment does not reveal 
anything that was not already present in WC, although in practice one seems to 
need to 'do stuff' to come to realisation. All that that happens is certain 
mistaken thoughts we have about life, go away, finally. And then life goes on, 
as it always had.



 From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
 


  
"He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either."

Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the 
discussion section, which you only partially quote, actually starts out talking 
about the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming and 
sleeping (CC). To suggest that he doesn't mention it when its the first line of 
the first paragraph, is, well, overtly deceptive:


Discussion
Brain patterns that defined transcendental experiences during TM practice and 
the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming, and 
sleeping were mainly found in frontal brain areas. This suggests that frontal 
circuits may play a critical role in transcendental experiences and the growth 
of higher states of consciousness. These states could be called higher states 
in that (1) the subject/object relationship is different in these states 
compared to waking, sleeping, and dreaming; (2) the sense of self is more 
expanded in these states; and (3) the physiological patterns are distinct from 
those during waking, dreaming, and sleeping.
The development of higher states may be an extension of the developmental 
trajectory that began as a toddler and continued into adulthood, supporting the 
emergence of adult abstract reasoning. Brain development begins in posterior 
sensory areas, which myelinate by age four. Posterior areas process sensory 
experiences and create the concrete present. Activity in posterior areas are 
associated with the first two stages of cognitive development described by 
Piaget—the sensorimotor and preoperational stages.[53] The corpus callosum, 
w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!

2014-10-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


On 10/02/2014 07:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



The real psychological study should be of the "9-11 Deniers",
those who just go with the official story in spite of the
questions surrounding 9-11...

>
/We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our
own mind.//What questions do you have?
//
//'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report'//
//Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report




image



Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report

Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts
to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

View on www.popularmechan...


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/

Simpler still,

I was there. Police and firefighters reported exactly what I saw.

Everyone in the area agreed. That is stronger confirmation than
any commentator removed by distance and time who used their
analysis and imagination.

I gotta believe my lying eyes and those of the thousands of people
who shared that experience with me.

Bhairitu, in this case I'm thinking that you just may have seen
one too many movies about all this.

Stick with What You Know to Be True.



You mean like the police and firefighters who heard unexplained 
explosions going off in the building? Tell us what you saw.


I'll stick with my investigation.  Willy probably gets his expertise on 
meditation and tantra from Popular Mechanics too. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

The subjects self-reported having pure consciousness at all times, including 
witnessing sleep, as i understand it. 

 And the measures included EEG, not just interview questions.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lenglish" " I should also add that the criteria for being included in the 
studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year."
 

 What was the measurement / validation criteria for witnessing sleep?
 

 The validity and usefulness of the studies findings correlate with the degree 
of "witnessing sleep" validation, with simply self-reporting being on the low 
end of the scale. 
 

 Problems with self-reporting are extensive.  Among them, words and concepts 
mean different things to different people. Two people have the same experience 
may rate themselves differently (Yes vs No) due to differences in how they 
interpret "witnessing sleep". Second, in a sub-culture that places value and 
status on witnessing sleep, a "me too", "look at me" phenomenon may arise when 
asked if one witnesses sleep. Third, related to the above, may be wish 
fulfillment -- the mind takes strands of experience that may relate to 
witnessing sleep and weaves a satisfying interpretation such that one actual 
believes they are witnessing sleep when in fact they are not. Fourth, subjects 
often try to please researchers  telling them what they think the researchers 
want to hear. Many other weaknesses.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

funnily enough, Dan, one of my favorite writings about love is from a man, 
Emmet Fox:LOVE
There is no difficulty that enough love will not conquer;
No disease that enough love will not heal;
No door that enough love will not open;
No gulf that enough love will not bridge;
No wall that enough love will not throw down;
No sin that enough love will not redeem...
It makes no difference how deeply seated may be the trouble;
How hopeless the outlook;
How muddled the tangle;
How great the mistake;
A sufficient realization of love will dissolve it all...
If only you could love enough you would be the happiest and most powerful being 
in the world. - Emmet Fox 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:45 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
   

     


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE.

KINDA HELPS.

back to the book
  On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
  

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

Witnessing sleep isn't directly correlated with "wandering mind.:" 

 The EEG pattern and general location of active brain centers during pure 
consciousness is similar to normal mind wandering except the EEG is a bit 
slower, far more coherent and the power in the EEG frequencies that are 
associated with active thinking and perception are lower.
 

 As Maharishi sez, the mind has been allowed to wander towards its level of 
least excitation.
 

 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not 
mean shit.  ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that 
they "Never fall asleep." ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their 
physiology during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the 
classic cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM 
activity"
 

 Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel 
as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness 
of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep 
sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep 
sleep.
 

 Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 
become less, often significantly. 
 

 Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being 
awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50  
and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non 
REM sleep may be more likely to experience "witnessing sleep". 
 

 Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A 
strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking 
functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak 
stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower 
proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and 
working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and 
performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also 
contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to 
wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. 
 

 Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing 
sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many 
possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due 
to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting 
in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent 
reduction of applied intelligence .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones.  It's tropical 
astrology that wants not only to use Pluto but asteroids as well.  But I 
guess the ice people of Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-)


On 10/02/2014 07:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to 
pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for 
poor old Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when 
the astronomical world decide it was never a planet at all!



But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's 
having on us again.



Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!

2014-10-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

I  believe there is a blood test for ebola. 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The key word in this quiz is "MIGHT" have ebola.

 We don't know who has the ebola virus, you can't screen for it - until they 
show symptoms of being infected. And, you can't get the ebola virus from 
someone who shows no symptoms. The real problem is that it is the immediate 
family members that most often becomes infected when the symptoms do show up, 
and that's when the whole family gets exposed and then infected -  and from 
there it's an exponential pandemic spreading around.

 >

 On 10/1/2014 11:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!

 Richard sounds really scared!  Go figger.

 On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the 
US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning:

 Topten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled 
Ebola outbreak

http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html

 Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... Top ten things you 
need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak

 View on www.naturalnews.com
 Preview by Yahoo

 On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Bhairitu,I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of 
course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such 
as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people.

 >
 The current Ebola "conspiracy" story is probably being perpetrated by the same 
group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a 
conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we 
should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings.
 >

 On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, "Bhairitu noozguru@... 
mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 To me 9-11 appears to be the first "Shock and Awe" operation for the "endless 
war" campaign.  It gave much of the public PTSD.  Recently I witnessed a much 
smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here.  People were 
"out-of-sorts" for days.

 I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this 
this thread.  :-D 

 >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS

2014-10-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

On 10/01/2014 09:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS

I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in 
Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 
32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw 
ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his 
uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he 
wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the 
money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm 
afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during 
the first and second Iraq wars?



Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the 
millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have 
been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all 
the killing had just said, "Fuck this," and gone home.




However they also did this during the Gulf War.  I don't think Saddam 
wanted a "strong" military as he probably feared they would overthrow 
him.  He had his loyal secret police instead.  I also don't think the US 
wanted a strong military there or they would overthrow the puppets we 
put in place.  Maybe we should export some of our "cowboy cops" to Iraq 
who would make quick work of ISIS.  And if ISIS really actually tried to 
do something in the US our "gun nuts" would make quick work of them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As 
such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, 
peace, joy and love. I agree with him.  

I would say that evolution is love in action.
How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the 
Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how 
imperfection disappears.
 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, "jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
   

     


---  wrote :

Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.


In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.

Maybe you are meaning this below. 

(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not 
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If 
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and 
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move 
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all 
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, 
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love 
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not 
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not 
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does 
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always 
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will 
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where 
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part 
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the 
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, 
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.



---  wrote :

I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.


---  wrote :

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 11:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the 
millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have 
been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all 
the killing had just said, "Fuck this," and gone home. 

>
/Good point. So, I wonder why the Netherlands fought a 100-year war to 
oust the Spaniards.//Why didn't the "numbnuts" just bend over and enjoy 
the Moors? Go figure./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

/The key word in this quiz is "MIGHT" have ebola.//
//
//We don't know who has the ebola virus, you can't screen for it - until 
they show symptoms of being infected. And, you can't get the ebola virus 
from someone who shows no symptoms. The real problem is that it is the 
immediate family members that most often becomes infected when the 
symptoms do show up, and that's when the whole family gets exposed and 
then infected -  and from there it's an exponential pandemic spreading 
around./

>

On 10/1/2014 11:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

>

*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!

Richard sounds really scared!  Go figger.

On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero 
in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 
this morning:

Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an 
uncontrolled Ebola outbreak 

image 

Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... 

Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an 
uncontrolled Ebola outbreak

View on www.naturalnews.com 

Preview by Yahoo

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com  [FairfieldLife]" 

 wrote:

On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But 
of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any 
situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people.

>
/The current Ebola "conspiracy" story is probably being perpetrated 
by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if 
the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as 
well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are 
no people or tall buildings./

>

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, "Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net  
[FairfieldLife]"  
 wrote:

To me 9-11 appears to be the first "Shock and Awe" operation for the 
"endless war" campaign.  It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I 
witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake 
we had here. People were "out-of-sorts" for days.

I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you 
started this this thread. :-D

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 

In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of 
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.

Maybe you are meaning this below. 

(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not 
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If 
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and 
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move 
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all 
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, 
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love 
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not 
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not 
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does 
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always 
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will 
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where 
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part 
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the 
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, 
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.



 ---  wrote :
 
 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 

---  wrote :

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 11:17 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

Richard sounds really scared! Go figger.

>
/The conspiracy is to keep the victims out of Walnut Creek, which may 
prove impossible.//That's what I figure./

>

On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero 
in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 
this morning:

Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an 
uncontrolled Ebola outbreak 

image 

Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... 

Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an 
uncontrolled Ebola outbreak

View on www.naturalnews.com 

Preview by Yahoo

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But 
of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any 
situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people.

>
/The current Ebola "conspiracy" story is probably being perpetrated 
by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if 
the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as 
well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are 
no people or tall buildings./

>

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, "Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net  
[FairfieldLife]"  
 wrote:

To me 9-11 appears to be the first "Shock and Awe" operation for the 
"endless war" campaign.  It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I 
witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake 
we had here. People were "out-of-sorts" for days.

I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you 
started this this thread. :-D

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean 
shit.  ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they 
"Never fall asleep." ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology 
during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic 
cycles of sleep, along with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity"
 

 Of the four stages of Non-REM sleep, in Stage 1, upon wakening, one may feel 
as if he or she has not slept. In Stage 2, muscles relax, we lose consciousness 
of the environment, etc as a preparation for deep sleep. This is not yet deep 
sleep and a sense of inner wakefulness in Stage 2 is more likely than in deep 
sleep.
 

 Stages 3 and 4 are the deep sleep states. However, as we age, Stages 3 and 4 
become less, often significantly. 
 

 Stage 1 and 2 of Non REM sleep are more conducive of the experience of being 
awake / conscious (though not necessarily of the environment). Those past 50  
and / or with sleep disorders that reduce or eliminate stage 3 and 4 stage non 
REM sleep may be more likely to experience "witnessing sleep". 
 

 Reduction or elimination of Stage 3 and 4 Non REM sleep is not a good thing. A 
strong Stage 3 and 4 sleep architecture is important for many sleep and waking 
functions. Lack of sleep (not exclusively stage 3 and 4, however, however weak 
stage 3 and 4 negatively affect other sleep stages) contributes to lower 
proficiency in most cognitive functions, including memory consolidation and 
working memory. Working memory is a highly critical factor in intelligence and 
performance across a wide span of activities. Lack of adequate sleep also 
contributes to attention disorders, including the tendency of the mind to 
wander, not being able to sustain attention on a focussed task. 
 

 Sparaig points out that the study shows positive correlation of witnessing 
sleep with wandering mind -- which raises the question of whether (one of many 
possible hypotheses and models ) the states experienced by the subjects are due 
to reduced quality of sleep (poor stage 3 and 4 sleep architectured) resulting 
in attention deficits, reduced working memory capacity, and subsequent 
reduction of applied intelligence .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 


 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If 
they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain 
most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study 
with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher 
seem more important. 

>
/There's no doubt that your teacher, Lenz, could levitate higher than 
any of my teachers, if that kind of stage magic is important to you in 
order for you to have any sense of self-worth. It must have been a 
devastating to your ego when your teacher failed to float on water 
(RIP). Do you think you will ever get over it? Maybe in a next life?/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

Who wouldn't want to be told that you're the reincarnation of a god?

>
/Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the 
premises or evidence.


The "Rama" mentioned in the "Ramayama by Valmiki" was a deified hero, 
not a god. Apparently you thought your TM mantra was the name of god - 
"Ram", maybe left over from your days spent as the Pharoah "Ram" in 
Upper Egypt.//No wonder you were attracted to the Zen Master "Rama". 
It's all just a karmic mix-up. Go figure./

[FairfieldLife] The mystery of the origin of water...

2014-10-02 Thread salyavin808

Something to think about next time you have a drink of water.
 

 http://www.popsci.com/article/science/earths-water-older-sun 
http://www.popsci.com/article/science/earths-water-older-sun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.

 
 
I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE.

KINDA HELPS.

back to the book

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
 
 
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the 
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one 
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not 
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
   

     


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Lenglish" " I should also add that the criteria for being included in the 
studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year."
 

 What was the measurement / validation criteria for witnessing sleep?
 

 The validity and usefulness of the studies findings correlate with the degree 
of "witnessing sleep" validation, with simply self-reporting being on the low 
end of the scale. 
 

 Problems with self-reporting are extensive.  Among them, words and concepts 
mean different things to different people. Two people have the same experience 
may rate themselves differently (Yes vs No) due to differences in how they 
interpret "witnessing sleep". Second, in a sub-culture that places value and 
status on witnessing sleep, a "me too", "look at me" phenomenon may arise when 
asked if one witnesses sleep. Third, related to the above, may be wish 
fulfillment -- the mind takes strands of experience that may relate to 
witnessing sleep and weaves a satisfying interpretation such that one actual 
believes they are witnessing sleep when in fact they are not. Fourth, subjects 
often try to please researchers  telling them what they think the researchers 
want to hear. Many other weaknesses.

[FairfieldLife] Welcome back Pluto!

2014-10-02 Thread salyavin808

Must be a frustrating time to be an astrologer, they just get used to 
pretending they have some sort of psychological and predictive use for poor old 
Pluto - after all those centuries not knowing about it - when the astronomical 
world decide it was never a planet at all!
 

 But now it's back so we can start taking note of the effects it's having on us 
again.
 

 Is Pluto about to be reinstated as a planet? 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/is-pluto-about-to-be-reinstated-as-a-planet-9769753.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

 

---  wrote :

 I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

---  wrote :

 That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good 
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true 
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of 
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications 
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I 
might feel real anger or disgust toward my "loved ones" and in that moment the 
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is 
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week 
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making 
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's "loved ones" can't be unlovable in 
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed 
because one is being honest. 


I think share is a little confused. Love and hate are 
extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita 
is to be moderate and maintain equipose.

Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a 
terrestrial quality.

Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the 
enlightened man does have likes and dislikes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thank you, Dan. It feels like a pretty powerful time, High Holy Days coinciding 
with Nine Days of Mother Divine. Victory Day tomorrow...
 

 On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:10 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
   

     


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a 
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.

Dearest Share,

May your words serve as a guiding light for all who hear.

My observance: 
Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of 
Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are 
atonement and repentance. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in 
Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes "the Days of Awe").  On Thursday, 
October 2, 2014 6:51 AM, "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
  

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 


 I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo images 
to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer makes his 
point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different ethnic 
groups, they seem to have an "internal image" of them based on the imprint of 
years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then "project" onto the 
person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. 

I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially 
regarding a few people who some people "love to hate." It doesn't seem to 
matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see 
them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using 
the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their "internal image" of 
the person they dislike always "wins," leaving them unable to see any other 
aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés photos are 
below in the HuffPo article, others at the link underhis name. 
  
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Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way 
that a number of people react to the word "Atheist." It should be pretty clear 
at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* 
aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an 
"Atheist" is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the 
word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can 
do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the 
internal image of "Atheists" they carry around inside their heads. 

The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from 
it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to "convert" 
those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't 
think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in 
mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of 
Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:



















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[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
 
 
   I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that 
Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year.
 






And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit. 

One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles 
about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there 
is a subset of patients who complain that they "Never fall asleep." Their 
subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're 
worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms 
of sleep deprivation. 

When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these 
folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along 
with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never 
lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always 
awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range 
of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. 

In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple 
of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the 
street. Not one of them meditates. 

Go figure.  
 

 And your point is what? Oh wait, there is no point, you were just using the 
witnessing sleep subject to show how stupid TM'ers are. Got it.

Confounded Barry REALLY DOES BELIEVE that he can confound others.

But that's another kettle of fish.

Still tragic though.

I must step away from the discussion for a brief time. I have, just now, 
located a copy of Sleep and Dreams Compiled By Jayne Gackenback in my library.

Jayne did her work near some of you, at the University of Northern Iowa, so 
some may know her.

I'll report back.

Cheers!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass 
exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was 
quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there 
looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, 
"Yep, that was you, all right." 

>
/Speaking of Kings and pedigree, Barry COULD have been a famous pharoah 
in Egypt 3,000 years ago; and maybe he could have afforded a sarcophagus 
inside a large pyramid in Giza next to the ///Sphynx/; and maybe he did 
reincarnate as "Barry Wright" - who knows?


The problem is that if so, Barry then would have gone from being a 
wealthy Egyptian King - down to being a part-time scribe for a science 
magazine just to be able to pay the rent. I wonder what Barry did for 
him to be reincarnated as a nobody - it must be pretty depressing to 
have that kind of karma hanging over your shoulder. Go figure./

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Dear Ann,

Thank you for the lunch invitation.

You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.

We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.

Your appreciative guests.

P.S. I love Thailand (and Burma)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called 
him on it. We were on one of our "field trips," this time I think i the Louvre 
in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering 
around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. >
 It must cost upwards of $10,000 each to get 100 students from Sante Fe, NM or 
Los Angeles, CA over to Paris France and inside the Louvre to look at some 
paintings. Not to mention the cost of putting Rama up at the Ritz -15 pl. 
Vendôme for a few days. Go figure.

And all that just to display his talents at losing them in the museum.

The sound like children losing their parent at the museum, who are overjoyed at 
their reunion.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
 
 
   I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that 
Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year.
 






And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit. 

One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles 
about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there 
is a subset of patients who complain that they "Never fall asleep." Their 
subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're 
worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms 
of sleep deprivation. 

When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these 
folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along 
with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never 
lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always 
awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range 
of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. 

In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple 
of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the 
street. Not one of them meditates. 

Go figure.  
 

 And your point is what? Oh wait, there is no point, you were just using the 
witnessing sleep subject to show how stupid TM'ers are. Got it.

Confounded Barry REALLY DOES BELIEVE that he can confound others.

But that's another kettle of fish.

Still tragic though.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!

2014-10-02 Thread danfriedman2002


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/1/2014 10:50 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 The real psychological study should be of the "9-11 Deniers", those who just 
go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11... >
 We are still waiting for any new evidence so we can make up our own mind. What 
questions do you have?
 
 'Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report'
 Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 
 
 http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 
 
 Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 Popular 
Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most 
persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.
 
 
 
 View on www.popularmechan... 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 


Simpler still,

I was there. Police and firefighters reported exactly what I saw. 

Everyone in the area agreed. That is stronger confirmation than any commentator 
removed by distance and time who used their analysis and imagination.

I gotta believe my lying eyes and those of the thousands of people who shared 
that experience with me.

Bhairitu, in this case I'm thinking that you just may have seen one too many 
movies about all this. 

Stick with What You Know to Be True.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are

2014-10-02 Thread jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]




Yeah he does. That Rama Lenz is a piece of shit, whom I 
wouldn't have given five minutes of my time. The fact that 
he got screwed the shit out, by that conman is rankling deep 
inside him.

Bariatric pretends to be detached, but the fact is, Jim and 
Lawson drive him crazy. His hatred for Judy is so great that 
he reads every single post of hers.

By the way, here is Kali Barbie.


http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg 
http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg 
 
 http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg 
 
 http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09... 
http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg 
 
 
 View on www.vancouverdesi.com 
http://www.vancouverdesi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/kali.jpg 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 
---  wrote :

 Not sure what you are saying below Barry.  Likely the usual basket of insults, 
mocking etc. 

 But, what you probably miss, is that  your beliefs pretty much check all the 
boxes for being a classic theist.
 

 Now, I know that goes against the meme you have of yourself as Barry Wright, 
hipster, renegade, rebel with an anti TM cause, but thems the facts.  
 

 Ain't no thang.  


---  wrote :

   I liked this photo series, although I can't get a couple of the HuffPo 
images to transform properly in either Firefox or Chrome. The photographer 
makes his point admirably IMO -- when Americans think of people from different 
ethnic groups, they seem to have an "internal image" of them based on the 
imprint of years of propaganda and prejudice, and which they then "project" 
onto the person they're looking at, not really seeing them at all. 

 

 I would suggest that we often see the same phenomenon here on FFL, especially 
regarding a few people who some people "love to hate." It doesn't seem to 
matter what these hate-objects really say or how they say it, the haters see 
them the way they see them in their minds anyway and characterize them using 
the same old fundamentalist stereotypes. It's as if their "internal image" of 
the person they dislike always "wins," leaving them unable to see any other 
aspect of the person they're hating on. Some examples of Joel Parés 
http://www.joelpares.com/ photos are below in the HuffPo article, others at the 
link under his name. 

  
 

 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereotypes
 

  
  
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html
  
  
  
  
  
 'Judging America' Photo Series Captures Nation's Stereot... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html
 Terrorist. Gangster. Stripper. Landscaper. When people are viewed as 
stereotypes, they're labeled on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion or 
sexual orientation. P...


 
 View on www.huffingtonpost... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/judging-america-photo-series_n_5907966.html
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  








Following up, one of the most fascinating things I see on this forum is the way 
that a number of people react to the word "Atheist." It should be pretty clear 
at this point that jr_esq, Steve, and Nabby in particular have a *strong* 
aversion both to the word and to the ideas they have in their minds of what an 
"Atheist" is. From my point of view, it's as if when they hear (or read) the 
word, the thinking part of their minds turns off completely, and all they can 
do is react -- emotionally, angrily, and without making much sense -- to the 
internal image of "Atheists" they carry around inside their heads. 

The most interesting part of this Atheist Hatred is that those who suffer from 
it seem to think that every time an atheist speaks, they're trying to "convert" 
those who believe in God. I've rarely ever seen this, on any forum, and don't 
think it happens very often *except* in the minds of believers. So with this in 
mind, and inspired by Joel's photos, here are a few alternative images of 
Atheists to balance the ones they seem unable to get rid of:

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":

I describe myself as L4, beginning with "absolutely".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree

2014-10-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and 
I called him on it. We were on one of our "field trips," this time I 
think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 
or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running 
into him, sometimes not.

>
/It must cost upwards of $10,000 each to get 100 students from Sante Fe, 
NM or Los Angeles, CA over to Paris France and inside the Louvre to look 
at some paintings. Not to mention the cost of putting Rama up at the 
Ritz -15 pl. Vendôme for a few days. Go figure./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

2014-10-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris

   I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that 
Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year.

And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit. 

One of my science article clients runs a sleep clinic, so when writing articles 
about sleep disorders I've learned a few interesting things. Such as that there 
is a subset of patients who complain that they "Never fall asleep." Their 
subjective experience is that they never lose conscious awareness, so they're 
worried that they've got a sleep disorder, even though they display no symptoms 
of sleep deprivation. 

When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology during sleep, these 
folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all of the classic cycles of sleep, along 
with their accompanying REM or lack of REM activity. It's just that they never 
lose their subjective awareness. In other words, a part of them is always 
awake, witnessing their subjective experience as they navigate the entire range 
of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. 

In the decade my client's practice has been open, he has treated maybe a couple 
of dozen people who report this. All of them are just normal people off the 
street. Not one of them meditates. 

Go figure.  

 And your point is what? Oh wait, there is no point, you were just using the 
witnessing sleep subject to show how stupid TM'ers are. Got it.

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