, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
The quotes from Maharishi below were first published in 1963. In later
years he seemed to make greater distinctions between GC and UC, and the
term BC came up in later years. It makes me wonder what changes in his own
experience occurred
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fofeature=related
http://tinyurl.com/cxzl6yv
I did enjoy this reply Robin, back on September 4, just before I left. I felt
it was very much to the point. This tendency of
Almost certain?
A sermon. Well, it is Sunday
http://www.deathclock.com/ [a rather old site, not recently updated; it may not
work with recent web browsers]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
*Death is certain* and uncertain, certain to come, uncertain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock jedi_spock@... wrote:
--- Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote:
snip
I also think Robin does not present a consistent picture
of his sense of reality, with his constant use of irony
vacillating between having been in unity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
[to Robin, who Share insists has psychologically raped her:]
Wishing you all the best always,
Share
snip
[Share quoting Robin]
Robin wrote:
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:
Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has
to Prove that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY
was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM
mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It
Moderates on FFL, we are going to lose.
WHY MODERATE BELIEFS RARELY PREVAIL
'We live in a world of extremes, where being fervently for or against an issue
often becomes the dominant social ideology â until an opposing belief that is
equally extreme emerges to challenge the first one,
It probably will not be long until the churches will divide as sharply upon
political, as upon theological questions; and when that day comes, if there are
not liberals enough to hold the balance of power, this Government will be
destroyed. The liberty of man is not safe in the hands of any
SF Parents Against TM in Public Schools [on Facebook] 'A site for parents who
question the constitutionality of TM in public schools to come together, with
links to independent critical articles.'
MARCH 2 I am very, very happy to announce,
NO MORE TM IN MY SON'S HIGH SCHOOL! I just received
At your age, I think probably you do not need to choose. :-|
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
It's just that this one was a retread of old 1960s SciFi ideas packaged so as
to appeal to a drugged-out, energy drink-swilling, not-terribly-bright YA
audience. I choose
I hope that is a fact. When I looked up Quiet Time, all the references were
about TM only, though I did not go through more than two pages on Google. So I
do not know if this is some general programme for schools or just one promoted
by the David Lynch Foundation.
---In
Isn't that how Jesus was said to be born?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Personally, I don't think so since the Bible is not a science document. But
the current scientific verification of the Big Bang's inflation has stirred
this question again.
But if space-time comes into existence with the Big Bang, how can a 'time
before' be a meaningful question?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
But now many scientists are asking: what happened before the Big Bang? Many
of them think that they can find the answer in
The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like
the standard musical form A B A.
A = ordinary life B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about
is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again
your at A. I think it's
Share wrote: My favorite question of her [Byron Katie] inquiry is: can you
absolutely know that it's true?
This is about epistemology - theory of knowledge - that is, how do we know
stuff, how do we come to justified belief instead of mere opinion. Most of what
we know seems to be very second
to
clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic
Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully.
ANARTAXIUS WROTE:
The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like
the standard musical form A B A.
A = ordinary life B
Response to Barry.
In the TMO, fMRI is not used, but it might throw some light on what is
happening in the brain when a person is experiencing inner silence. In this
'development of consciousness' thing this is a benchmark that I have heard
spoken of in more than one tradition as one of the
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Response to Barry.
In the TMO, fMRI is not used, but it might throw some light on what is
happening in the brain
Thanks.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Not quite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecppB4IRFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecppB4IRFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVd3ycUy60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVd3ycUy60
This flattening out is a different animal. It has nothing to do with meditation
at this point. It has to do with the concept of transcendence being part of the
mental illusion from which 'the spiritual path' is constructed.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nabby wrote :
To avoid
So, what do you make of the first sentence on the page you linked to at the
bottom of your post. If Buddhism is all about enlightenment, what does this
experience represent? Does it indicate that all those commentaries and books,
which presumably discuss enlightenment, might have something
Blog post by Sam Harris:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-path-between-pseudo-spirituality-and-pseudo-science
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-path-between-pseudo-spirituality-and-pseudo-science
Exactly what are the mechanics by which the puja keeps the purity of the
teaching? Simply saying x does y does not show that that actually happens.
Seeing the results of the purity of the teaching here on FFL makes one wonder
more than a bit. What in fact IS the purity of the teaching? What is
Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower.
Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title:
Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike
the brain, it is not made of meat.
---In
But in binary form 60 is 00, the two zeros indicate encroaching senility.
Very propitious. While in a base 4 number system I am 1021 years old. That
makes me older than Methusala, and the 21 means I am still fit to vote in the
United States, and drink beer. 'Auspicious' comes from a Latin
I would love to get into this particular discussion but probably could not
devote the time to extended discussion. But I would like to drop a few bombs.
Lawson said:
'...PC is without any kind of perception at all -sensory, thinking, intuition,
whatever.'
Now when I was in the hospital
This reminds me of the following story:
When the spiritual teacher and his disciples began their evening meditation,
the cat who lived in the monastery made such noise that it distracted them. So
the teacher ordered that the cat be tied up during the evening practice. Years
later, when the
Note that the subject of this thread 'IS TM and Effortless Practice' is
nonsensical because of a couple of typos.
The first part 'IS TM' would seem to be asking if there is such as thing as
TM, unless this means there is something called 'IS TM' whose existence is
being questioned.
Maybe
No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The
first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of
'an'.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded as 'effortless'?
The definition of effortless is 'requiring no physical or mental exertion'. The
word has synonyms easy
offhand
painless
uncomplicated
child's play
cursive
duck soup
facile
flowing
fluent
light
no problem
Depending on the context, capitalisation certainly can be used for emphasis,
but in this case it looks like a mistake because the word 'is' is so short. On
a forum that allows some typeface adjustment I would have used 'Is TM an
effortless practice?' In HTML there are elements (tags) em and
be the words flowing and simple. But I
bet others would choose different words as the best descriptors.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:48 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded as
'effortless'? The definition of effortless
Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? A few sects of this tradition
still produces 'enlightenment', though as with all traditions, there do not
seem to be a lot of successes in this department. It does not seem to me that
Turq is party to any tradition these days. And, for example, what
The path of enlightenment ends in a number of ways. One can get tired of it and
just drop the whole thing out of disinterest. One can die or become mentally
incapacitated. And there are two forms of disillusionment. One is it didn't
work out as expected, with a feeling of grave disappointment
not at MIU anymore and I can assure you
if the TMO is ever foolish enough to try to insinuate themselves in the schools
here in SC, they better come loaded for bear, cause there'll be a bear waiting
on 'em.
On Tue, 4/1/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius
read it
On Tue, 4/1/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@...
mailto:anartaxius@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
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Date: Tuesday
Ann, I think this is probably my favourite Dave Barry piece, because it
highlights the differences in the way different human minds interpret
experience.
I recall the marketing for the TM-Sidhi programme and it was pretty much as
Barry has said. I found the following on the MUM website (*emphasis added*):
The World Peace Project
*Immediately following the discovery of the Super-Radiance effect in the Fall
off 1978*, Maharishi decided to
Buck, Maharishi did a lot of interesting things. In the world of science,
however, it is data and confirmation of hypotheses that drive forward. A
scientist that has a successful career is basically working to extend
knowledge, and does so by superseding, by surpassing his mentors, and in
Correction: Neo dropped out the link to the quote from MUM.edu below
http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelId=622793
http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelId=622793
--
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius
Correction, Neo dropped the link to the MUM web page quoted below:
http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelId=622793
http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelId=622793
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I recall the marketing for the TM-Sidhi programme and it was pretty much
to be
quite a modern and spiritual human. He was incredibly consistent looking at the
whole progression as science, spirituality in consciousness, and policy as the
larger spiritual movement built through a span of time and developed to what we
see.
-Buck
Anartaxius writes:
Buck, Maharishi did
His Holiness Brahmananda Saraswati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Umm, forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by his time with Saraswati?
this is the
There is a lot of research on TM, but the quality of most of that research is
not particularly good, which is one of the reasons it is not taken seriously.
The movement is not interested in scientific truth. It is hard to tell if the
movement is interested in ending suffering at all. While
I believe at one time they tried to search for 'soma' at MIU, but the research
led to no result, and if that was the case, it is unlikely the result would
have been publicised. I remember a time when new governors were coming back to
the U.S. from courses. They were eating a lot of white sugar
hierarchies. That
dolphin probably tried another form of meditation.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 10:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Research Shows Absence of People
The Linda Pearce comments seem to stem from the following article:
http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html
'Shooting the messenger' is a metaphoric phrase used to describe the act of
lashing out at the presumably blameless bearer of bad or unwelcome news.
In earlier times, messages were usually delivered in person by a human envoy.
Sometimes, as in war, for example, the messenger was sent from
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
I guess Xeno didn't see my posts about shooting the messenger. Barry isn't
criticized for bringing unwelcome news regarding TM, because he doesn't bring
any. He's criticized for his extreme and usually dishonest negative spin on
news
The theory here is, because the United States currency is heavily based on
debt, once the the psychology of the US Dollar being a standard currency is
broken, there will be heavy selling of the US Dollar as its true value
equalises with the other currencies, and hyperinflation will result,
will start the global economic crisis.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
The theory here is, because the United States currency is heavily based on
debt, once the the psychology of the US Dollar being a standard currency is
broken, there will be heavy selling
Does this mean the average life span will also be the same as it was
thousands of years ago: approx. 25 years?
Dirt roads? No electricity, etc.?
Travel by Ox cart? No supermarkets?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
A Lifestyle inspired by the Golden age
nu·mi·nous = having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or
suggesting the presence of a divinity.
Exactly what is a strong religious quality? Exactly what is a spiritual
quality? How do these two qualities indicate or suggest the presence of a
divinity? If something is
and become incoherent, saying things like I just believe in one less divinity
than you do.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
nu·mi·nous = having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or
suggesting the presence of a divinity.
Exactly what
and become incoherent, saying things like I just believe in one less divinity
than you do.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
nu·mi·nous = having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or
suggesting the presence of a divinity.
Exactly what
.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Hell if I know what a divinity is. I just copied the definition of 'numinous'
from the Google search results for 'define:numinous'. I was discussing the
nature of informed belief, that is belief based on evidence rather than simply
I was with some children last night. I have no children myself, so it was
rather intriguing watching what interests them. One was about one year old, and
the other about three. The one year old seemed totally fascinated with an empty
aseptic package (Rice milk or something like that). Its whole
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote (to salyavin808):
1. Remember Gould's phrase, nonoverlapping magisteria?
2. What do you mean by real? Define it, please.
Perhaps you should also define 'real' and see if the definitions match up
first. In science, real is
A slightly reprocessed, retouched version of Barry's portrait of Maya, putting
a bit more emphasis on the subject. Wonderful image.
It is curious that Michael quoted this in the manner he did, I think he misread
its significance. The study, if I recall correctly, came to the conclusion that
the studies on meditation, so far, were of insufficient quality to come to the
conclusion that meditation was a benefit to health.
In regard to Share's comments, the transcendent is a metaphorical fiction, a
carrot on a stick, an enticement for meditation. Whatever we may say it is, the
'transcendent' is there all the time, everywhere. But when the mind does not
know this it requires an explanation for a practise like TM
Very nice Curtis, to hear you again, even if this is only a one-off drive by.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
In a word, no. Classical theism suffers from the same philosophical problems
in much of classical philosophy, unsupported assumptive premises. Guys
to ponder what he saw, or
thought he saw. We all grow out of things, out of understandings we once held,
out of misconceptions we have had.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 4/17/2014 3:12 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote:
Very nice Curtis, to hear you
This is an aside regarding Hawking. I was watching the sitcom 'The Big Bang
Theory' on Blu-ray last night, and in it the main character Dr Sheldon Cooper
is desperately trying to get a meeting with Stephen Hawking to discuss his
paper. He finally gets his meeting and the performer for Stephen
That is an incomplete quote Judy:
'Because gravity shapes space and time, it allows space-time to be locally
stable but globally unstable. On the scale of the entire universe, the positive
energy of the mater can be balanced by the negative gravitational energy, and
so there is no restriction
Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does not
remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What is the need to
fine tune what 'sort' of memory it is? Life is now, though it is nice to
remember now and then.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
and can be accessed depending
on the clarity of one's nervous system, etc.
On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
Anything one pulls out of memory is past, is past life. Anything one does
not remember is the same experience as if it were never there. What
Nabby, all of as here have been members of a cult, or at least associated with
one except among regular posters, Emily whose daughter had a brush with one.
You yourself are associated with rather non-typical beliefs in general. It does
not help to accuse one of being party to the same kind of
, nablusoss1008, yahoogroups.com wrote :
Since you accuse me of being a cultmember I am looking forward to your
definition of said. And you better come up with something better than mental
entrapment. If not you better STFU.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Nabby
One of the signs a new religion is starting to go downhill as far as whatever
spiritual use it may have had is when the message of the founder or his
successors are venerated for themselves more than the message that was brought
by him/her/it. This assumes of course the original message had
which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that.
http://izquotes.com/quote/228636”--Richard Feynman
http://izquotes.com/author/richard-feynman on quantum mechanics
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
The best way to show someone
http://swisstactical.ch/img/uploads/products/22/66/2012-08-09/22_0.93311900%201344527790.jpg
http://swisstactical.ch/img/uploads/products/22/66/2012-08-09/22_0.93311900%201344527790.jpg
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I'm taking a short break from work, and
Buck, it seems to me that the TM generation while still current is past, so I
am wondering what you think the characteristics of its spiritual successors
will be.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
It seems every generation or two, probably all through human
If my understanding about this is correct:
With mantra yoga, what is minded is the mantra.
With TM, the 'mindfulness' of the mantra as a focus is minimised by the
technique which reduces greatly the tendency to concentrate or effort.
The idea is contact with something or somewhere you are
of meditation on anxiety says that
mindfulness has a small effect on anxiety but TM doesn't. But see my response
to this Scientific American blog post:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-meditation-overrated/
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote
Based on ideas that began with the work of mathematicians Benoit Mandelbrot and
John Conway, the physicist Stephen Wolfram has some interesting ideas on the
nature of free will. Wolfram has been investigating simple computational
systems that have very simple starting conditions and very simple
Lawson, was this a tangential reply to me? I am not a former TMer, I still
practice TM. Do you know of any research that compares the EEG of TMers in
unity and say, Buddhists who are in unity? Since both these traditions have
produced people with the unity experience, and they express
Spirit means breath, or wind (the latter of which Richard has plenty). I agree
with Barry here. Spiritual experience is about the nature of experience, about
that rather mysterious quality called consciousness. My spiritual experience
evolved entirely in the absence of a belief in something
I have heard he said it many different ways. Maharishi was repetitive; he had
basically the same message for over 50 years. As he said to one teacher
'Haven't you noticed I say the same thing over and over again?'
The subject of reincarnation I find intriguing because, from a spiritual point
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