I'm a 59 year old high schooler, I'm afraid.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :
Everyone is wasting time directing comments to Michael that go on and on
trying to contextualize his constant complaints or add comments that defend TM.
The fact is that many TM
Are you saying that MMY didn't believe his own rhetoric?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
A smarter person than one who takes the word of a huckster over their own good
common sense.
When I looked at the old posters of the TM-Siddhi advertisements
I've been watching a new kid's sports anime, Baby Steps.
It tracks the trials and tribulations of a scholarly kid with OCD who decides
he needs more exercise and discovers he has a true gift at playing tennis.
As with all sports manga/anime, he rises exceptionally fast through the ranks,
Many people balked at the TM-SIdhis and the movement splintered to some extent
at that point.
Some people balked at the puja being required and ACEM grew out of that.
They've even started publishing studies on ACEM meditation.
As far Judy?
I've corresponded with her occasionally
Rick Archer was part of the team that came to Tucson back in the day and spoke
to us about the new TM-SIdhis courses.
I remember the posters as well. They were never embraced whole-heartedly by
anyone here in Tucson that I am aware of but were merely passed around quietly.
Certainly I
A couple of things that Raja Luis recently said that are relevant:
1) The government of Peru is apparently seriously looking at having 250,000
students learn TM. An important innovation of what they apparently will be
doing is that existing school teachers will be sent to TM teacher training
As I pointed out and you ave comveniently forgot, a single Yoga retreat center
has about 1 suicide every two years, and about 1-2% per year are mentally
incapacitated for up to a month after the retreat, in a center that has
accommodations for 96 people, including staff.
With 40,000 TM
Well, 250,000 is just under 1% of the entire country of Peru, so if they're
really interested in Maharishi Effect stuff, it would be on a national level.
Unless those students were spread throughout the entire country, it would be an
ok study, as far as I am concerned (assuming that it happens,
IN fact, Triguna's son took my pulse a few months after *I* had Hepatitus (got
it from MY son who got it at daycare) and commented I had heat in my liver
system.
By the way, pulse diagnosis is part of the Maharish School curriculum. All the
students practice it every day.
And I believe
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You are absolutely correct.
Another clue is the fact that Maharishi isn't named in the caption identifying
everyone in the picture.
I really should have been a little more aware of that, thanks.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
As with many photos of
I did watch it. It is very abstract, but I thought it was interesting
nevertheless.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Oh, Lawson - did you watch it? I did, the entire presentation and it was
nonsense. I already addressed specifics - but I will say that it
Eh, what the heck is a guitar riff?
I've been playing classical guitar for 38 years more or less. The greatest
Western fretted instrumentalist was quite possibly Lutenist John Dowland.
Playing his Forlorn Hope Fancy, is well, just a fancy of forlorn hope for most
of us.
L
---In
Not really, but here's a true exmplar of what a REAL musician does on a fretted
instrument without amplification or noise to mask the mistakes and poor
technique found in 99.9% of all rock guitarists, including all the ones called
great:
The Most High and Mighty Christianus the Fourth, King
Oh come ON, Michael, really?
14. Why no action or at least a courtesy visit was made to the fenced
enclosure of Vedic Pandits at Fairfield, Iowa after the Vedic Pandits revolted
against the atrocities of the management and was quelled with brutality by
local the police and the Sheriff?
Rolls eyes, again
What money?
The Maharishi Foundation, USA books are open via IRS Form 990.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
There is no joy in Mudville:
http://www.cultnews101.com/2014/09/maharishi-vedic-university-ltd-v.html?spref=fb
Well, kinda makes you wonder about Maharishi appearing in a dream to convince
the woman to publish here tell-all story about their affair.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Nope. Sounds like a lot of potential counter-revolutionary spirit
table-rapping
Of course, TM creates a physiological state in the brain that can be
interpreted from the Advaita Vedanta perspective.
Maharishi claimed that such a physiological state occasionally arose
spontaneously in a few people and that THESE people were the origins of the
Advaita Vedanta tradition.
Eh. Obviously they didn't handle the interviewer well.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Absolutely brilliant. I much needed reminder about how crazy cults can be.
None of the sanitised videos carefully chosen for youtube, Oh no. Madness,
megalomania
Last I looked, Bevan's pay was inline with all other MUM faculty beside's
Hagelin's: slave wages.
And Bevan Morris managed to get to India when he was 18(? 20?) on his own
steam around the same time as the Beatles showed up, and MMY recognized his
devotion to the cause from that moment on.
MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network of the
brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and
sense-of-self.
In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the nervous
system where the original functioning of the DMN,
Hmmm?
Vernon Katz was the translator and had no part in the commentary, according to
him.
In fact, in a video, Vernon says that he would argue with MMY about MMY's
choice of words for the translation that overrode Veron's carefully devised
scholarly translation, but in the battle of
Vernon Katz was translator and transcriber, not commentator.
And MMY would insist that a different word be used in the translation and Katz
had to oblige, so even the translation was strictly to MMY's specification even
though Katz did all the original translating.
L
---In
Exactly.
Up until now, all you could go by, as a meditation instructor was the
*context* of the answers: how did the student learn in the first place? Hence
MMY's extreme insistence on perfect adherence to his teaching methodology.
Now, these days, you can look at how the brain is
http://universityofcalifornia.edu/news/do-gut-bacteria-rule-our-minds
http://universityofcalifornia.edu/news/do-gut-bacteria-rule-our-minds Do gut
bacteria rule our minds?
People laugh at MMY's lecture on devas and where they consume soma and yet...
The gut microbiome is apparently
Great, and when is his organization going to be able to train enough meditation
teachers to each al 45 million school-age kids in Brazil?
MMY never claimed that TM was the absolute best thing for everyone,
everywhere, but when it comes to distributing meditation education on a scale
of
All that was claimed about 8,000 (or 7,000) yogic flyers is that they would
have the same effect as 1% of the world doing TM.
Maharishi specifically claimed that 1% of a society doing TM would be
sufficient to cause measurable changes in the entire society.
I think you are forgetting that
Eh, anyone who thinks that the Movement is in MORE trouble than it was when
Maharishi died is blind. The reduction in the TM fee, combined with the good
press from teh DLF, the celebrity endorsements, the [slight] nod from the
American Heart Association, and the ongoing phenomenal successes
What revenue?
The David Lynch Foundation is in charge of teaching TM in the public schools.
The cost, last time they broke it down, was $300 per student. That's roughly
the portion of the standard TM instruction fee that TM tachers normally get for
teaching students.
Hagelin gets $42K
Perhaps, but if you check out the actual research, organization, website, etc.,
there seems to be far less activity for AoL than for TM.
I'm not aware of any current presidents or deputy prime ministers of major
countries (Brazil, Colombia, UK, and maybe India?) or former such (Mozambique
Gross income from TM instruction in the USA for the Maharishi Foundation was
far, FAR less than $50,000,000. About 1/10 that, and after paying TM teachers,
advertising, etc., the MF netted about $800,000 for 2012.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I completely disagree about TM not saving the world...
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201212/can-meditation-change-the-world
Meditation is path to peace, Mozambique
Well, leaving aside the Super-Radience effect, which calls for at least
8-10,000 doing the TM-Sidhis in one spot twice a day, every day, before you can
have even definitely measurable effect, millions of uncoordinated TMers fall
far short of the 75 million that would be required to have the
In fact, I think that the US TM organization has proven that it doesn't care
that much about money. $800,000 is chicken feed, and they've dropped teh price
on a semi-permanent basis, so obviously, money isn't as big a deal as you seem
to think.
As long as they can make expenses and keep
Some people become masters of something with relatively little effort, while
others can spend their entire lives attempting to master something and still
not do it.
The point is that what the masters of any field seem to have in common is the
kind of brain wave pattern found in enlightened
I'm sorry, did it sound like I was defending any aspect of the Maharishi
Effect?
And even within the theory of the ME, it's a Big Numbers game, regardless of
what believers like to tell each other. Statistical variation of small
population centers like Fairfield are going to swamp any
Yes, the effect will be biggest in Fairfield...
But you are using statistical analysis of the behavior of large groups of
people to detect that effect, and if a single pickpocket enters the town, the
number of pockets picked on a given day will likely shoot up through the roof
(I assume no
With regards to your significant other and heart attacks...
It's a numbers game. Robert Scheider's research showed that for people who
meditated regularly about once per day for 5 years, the incidence of mortaility
dropped nearly 50% in people who had already had one heart attack.
If they
While these are preliminary studies, to say that TM isn't a good system is to
ignore the results found in the War refugees in Uganda.
In the first study, 90% of the TMers became non-symptomatic on the PTSD
Scale-Civilian (PCL-C) after only 30 days practice, and remained that way at
135
Hobby Lobby also invests heavily in the companies that MAKE those products.
But they never petitioned the Supreme Court to allow them to change their
investment strategy.
Hobby Lobby is run by a bunch of hypocrites. They don't really care about
these things. They just wanted to bring a
It really shouldn't be that surprising.
Enlightenment via TM is supposed to be due to being lower-stress.
People that are world-class in some activity shine at least partly because
they can handle stress better than the people who try just as hard but can't
break into that world-class
If you're a full-time college student working less than 25 hours/week, you pay
$360, and that's before grants and scholarships from teh TM center, and any
additional aid from the DLF.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 7/1/2014 11:49 AM,
And, going out on a limb here, just a tad, EVERY POSSIBLE cause for a heart
attack besides acute poisoning, is exacerbated by long-term stress.
TM helps manage long-term stress, and it is pretty much a given that his
chances of survival would have gone up at least a little had he been doing
On certain measures, such as cortisol levels, that is almost certainly the
case.
As always, the issues is between TM and other forms of meditation, not be
tween TM and sleep.
Sleep is vital to your health.
So is TM.
The difference is that if you need sleep, you spontaneously fall
Thought for the day:
if privacy issues don't apply for this ruling when taking a pill, then how can
they apply when having an abortion?
This potentially overturns Roe v Wade, as far as insurance coverage for
abortion goes.
Anyone can object to any form of birth control coverage on
Most people learn TM to address stress issues or other health issues. It's
kinda a given that TMers would show certain tendencies.
The way you resolve this is not via anecdote, but via studies using control
groups.
Better controlled studies are better, of course.
L
---In
Hmmm...
~8000 adults and a few thousand students learned TM in 2012.
At full price, that's 8000 x 1500 = $12,000,000 + another few million for the
kids.
That's $15 million Max. A far cry from $50,000.000
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote
Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5
subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset
after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study.
People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they
Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no
control group, it was still a quite impressive finding.
My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but
that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that
TM's
Where's you evidence that Girish has any control over any property on the MUM
campus?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
I can't wait for Girish to sell MUM and the Domes out from under you.
From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]
You already learned TM, so we can't tell if people who learn meditation from
Chopra's own teachers have teh same results.
Chopra isn't interested in conducting science to validate his claims, either.
At least, it is really hard to find any published research on Primordial Sound
Meditation.
Stress is the ultimate anti-spiritual thing. In fact, I would argue that it is
the ONLY anti-spiritual thing.
Yoga is the subsidence of mind fluctuations.
and mind-flutuations are brought about by past experience that interferes with
our ability to deal with the present moment -that is,
Maharishi once defined spiritual growth as balanced, that is, wholisitic
growth simultaneously for mental, physical and emotional well-being.
In other words, non-wholeness = anti-spiritual.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Lawson, I think Maharishi
You seem to think that TM mantras are what makes TM special.
I would say it is the mantra + how TM is taught.
And the most important side-effect of TM mantras is that it becomes more
charming as the mental activity becomes more refined.
CHopra's mantras may well have this effect as
That might be. Now go to Uganda and teach!
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
The teaching of TM is not unique. There is nothing special about TM other
than it's high price.
On 07/06/2014 02:04 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I read the intro online. Oddly, while it mentions that meditating city
councilmen have been elected, it neglects to mention that the mayor is a
meditator and has been the mayor for 12 years.
I suspect that that would kinda make his take that there's major divisions in
the town over the
You assert this but what little evidence there is says differently.
Now, we can't possibly know if a specific incident attributed to PTSD could
have been prevented by learning TM, or mindfulness, or any other therapy
thought to affect PTSD in a positive way, but, assuming that the actions
the TM organization has never been able to produce a single person they can
point to as having become enlightened as a result of their technique.
You mean, other than the published physiological and psychological research on
the people meeting the TM criterion for being in CC for at least a
Or perhaps others have muddied ideas about enlightenment?
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 07/08/2014 09:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]
Is that the official TM centers or a renegade organization?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote :
http://www.meditation.de/center-liste http://www.meditation.de/center-liste
Just to put things in perspective:
Bush:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_bush_job_approval-904.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_bush_job_approval-904.html
Obama:
Archive play
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2012_video_files/01_2012/2012_play.php
Archive play
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/2012_video_files/01_2012/2012_play.php
the player will be placed here
View on www.maharishichannel.in
Oh nos, the world's average temperature must be lower than ever, as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Coldest Antarctic June Ever Recorded
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/12/coldest-antarctic-june-ever-recorded/
Posted on July 12, 2014
Well, the count in human lives is secondary. The primary mission of a military
is to win, period.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Richard,
Most armies, including the USA, do not want to fight a fair war. They want to
stage a fight where they can have an
You have apparently missed the scientific research that Fred Travis published
more thn 10 years ago on people who were reporting being in CC consistently for
at least a year.
This article discusses the theory and research on pure consciousness during TM
and the theory and research on the
Very good points.
The IRS Form 990s of the Maharishi Foundation, USA, and the David Lynch
Foundation, give a pretty good idea of where money has been spent since those
organizations were founded, but both of them are recent creations.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
And yet, witnessing sleep is a hallmark of being in CC...
And where did I say that CC was the end-all of enlightenment?
I generally describe the people that Fred studies as those who are in the
beginning stages of the first of several higher states collectively called
enlightenment.
I
I don't know the source of this story, but I think I have the gist of it:
Once, there was a man who hated Lord Shiva with all his heart.
Every day, without fail, he would walk past the local shrine where all the
devotees lay prostrate in worship, and that man would spit as he walked past.
For me, the instructions are deliberately vague and open-ended. The meditator
develops an intuition of what it means to think a mantra without effort.
Maharishi's own explanation is that by the third day [of the Three Night's
Checking], it should be 'fairly clear' what it means to think a
40,000 TM teachers allegedly met with Maharishi at some point before they
officially became TM teachers.
They're everywhere.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, c309@... wrote :
He claims he was with Maharishi.
I would say that the guy who was linked to is definitely no longer an active TM
teacher, yes...
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Except for the ones who quit. And there are quite a lot of them.
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]
There's such a thing as Cosmic Top Secret. It merely means a blanket security
clearance where the person is assigned.
In other words, they have an official need to know about anything they are
interested in at the specific facility they are assigned to.
It's usually given to inspectors
Hey, the original THor character was banished to Earth in human form and
condemned to a mortal life as a crippled doctor until he proved that he was
worthy, so being deemed unworthy is nothing new.
In a more recent (still 20+ years ago I think) storyline, Thor's hammer was
wield for a while
Your lluck IS your skill is apparently a common Japanese saying -or at least,
I've heard it many times in anime.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Luck is just another word for karma.
On 07/17/2014 11:56 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]
Devraha Baba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devraha_Baba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devraha_Baba
Devraha Baba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devraha_Baba Devraha Baba (died in 19 May 1990),
also spelled Deoraha
The way that can be 'wayed' is not the Way.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, soundofstillness@... wrote :
OK, so there may have been a moment since first hearing this thought that I
may have had some degree of understanding of what it meant.
But at this moment in time I don't understand
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Maharishi's own expositions about enlightenment could be seen as supporting
what Michael says, but even when I was a starry-eeyed 19 year old taking it for
the first time, I realized that reality and theory were very far apart.
Now that we have a more nuanced perspective of what CC is like
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I don't think a single session (there are abuot) has Ayurveda, letalone
Maharishi Ayurveda, as the topic.
This is Vedic Studies, not Ayurvedic Studies.
You're confusing WAVES with another conference happening soon at MERU.
WAVES is completely independent of TM and
I did a web-search. None of Janov's research is indexed in pubmed, and as far
as I can tell, he only published about it in his book.
This is hardly science in the normal sense of the word, where replications by
others is supposed to be, at least in principle, possible.
If you don't
I'm wrong about there not being ANY sessons of about Ayureveda.
There have been several so far, including 1 or 2 that have showed up in the
online broadcast of the plenary (attended by all the members) sessions:
http://sanskritlibrary.org/download/pms/schedule.pdf
All the plenary session videos thus far appear to be archived on this page,
but that situation could change at any time:
WAVES Conference: Aug 2nd 1st by Maharishi University of Management
http://new.livestream.com/mum/events/3226432
http://new.livestream.com/mum/events/3226432
Um
King is generally a hereditary position and in fact, I recall that Maharishi
emphasized that when he talked about Tony abu Nader.
In fact, for a very long time,. I was wondering how the heck King Tony was
going to have kids if he was totally celibate.
And it turns out he
You guys are fond of quoting newspaper articles claiming teh TM organization is
worth billions.
That's a pretty hefty kingdom, if it really is worth that much, and whoever
controls the crown, controls whatever the asserts are wroth.
As an aside, anyone ever wonder at how silly people
In fact, according to what I have heard, Girish Varma attempted to wrest
control of the Indian TM organization away from Tony abu Nader, but both sides
agreed to let Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati (the Shankaracharya the TM
organization recognizes) be the aribrator for the disupute, and after
Huh. Arab comes from Abraham, and Arabs and Jews are both considered Semitic
peoples.
In fact, some Bedouins believe that they are descended from Jews living in the
region who converted to Islam:
Bedouin Sheikh: My People are of Jewish Descent
Thanks for that. Bad etymological resources on my end, obviously.
Even so, the connection between desert people who lived in the area where the
people of Israel came from, and, well, the people of Israel shouldn't be that
big a surprise.
I tell people that many palestinians are probably
When have I strongly defended the ME research and when have I 'come around to
claim that it doesn't show what it says it shows?
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Thanks LEnglish5
I dont' know about the TMO creating a mental health clinic for Fairfield, but
Robert Schneider gave a plenary presentation last weekend about mental health
therapies from a Vedic perspective.
This sounds like the barest inkling of an admission of an issue that needs to
be addressed.
L
Starts about 49 minutes into the 4th video from the top:
WAVES Conference: 7/31 to 8/2 by Maharishi University of Management
http://new.livestream.com/mum/events/3226432
http://new.livestream.com/mum/events/3226432
WAVES Conference: 7/31 to 8/2 by Maharishi University ...
TM is different from most other forms of meditation in how the brain reacts to
the practice.
You can pontificate all you want, but measurable physical activity trumps
philosophy every time, or so I believe.
Here's a fine example of how far apart two practices can be, both of which are
Saying that I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong.
I can cite study after study showing a consistent EEG pattern for TM.
I can cite study after study showing a consistent, but different-than-TM, EEG
pattern for mindfulness.
I can cite study after study showing a consistent, but
The latest research proposed for TM and PTSD will actually measure gene
expression differences in the test subjects to see if that has any effect on
how well they do with various practices:
TM, Health Education, Prolonged Exposure therapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25066921
38 years later, there's a well-known psychiatric disorder called Relaxation
Induced Anxiety (formerly known as paradoxical anxiety) that is associated,
not just with meditation practice, but with any period of relaxation.
Maharishi's model of stress release may or may not explain such extreme
A few studies on Ch'an and Zen seen to show the same general pattern.
On the other hand, other studies on CH'an and Zen don't.
This goes along with the idea that teaching meditation is generally an art,
and Maharishi's greatest accomplishment was to create technicians who could
produce
Hostility probably has more to do with whether or not an individual gets
financial aid from the DLF than people realize.
Abusively demanding financial aid from someone who is willing to help is a
sure way to make them less inclined to help you.
On the other hand, sincerely explaining that
Who can say? As yet, no-one has reliably documented the effect on individuals
from group meditation practice of any kind.
The simple research proposal I made to John Hagelin a few months ago hasn't
been done yet, at elast partly because research on microstates during TM hasn't
been published
I've lived in Tucson for 50 years, since 1960 (spent 5 years overseas). Tucson
is beloved by many people, but I can assure you that it's not really all that
great compared to some places.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, Tuscon is supposed to be my
A blog entry by the same person (randomly found, I wasn't hunting for him, just
for hits on Transcendental Meditation):
eucharistandmission: Unethical practise at Dominican Educational Instituions
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2014/08/unethical-practise-at-dominican.html
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