[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience during meditation. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. So you think Emily was confused that I am always expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her a bit more credit. Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your own POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one example, above you write, It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. And you refer to what you're questioning as the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Those are statements made as if of established fact. And they may *be* established fact. My point is that you make factual statements as well as POV statements, but some of your POV statements are indistinguishable from your factual statements. This is not a matter of PR. This is a matter of doing one's best not to mislead people. And how many times in a personal opinion post on an opinion forum should I make this disclaimer to avoid being accused of misleading people? Shouldn't you be doing this too? Yes, we all should. Again, though, my point is that when you make a post that includes factual statements and POV statements *and* statements made as if they were factual that are really POV statements, readers can easily be confused, especially if they aren't practitioners. Hear ye hear ye, from now on, if you see any post of mine here on FFL, it represents my own POV on any topic. I'll assume that this covers it once and for all. Let's see what happens in your future posts, shall we?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Judy, do you think you could ever be accused of arguing for the sake of arguing? Let the pettiness begin! (is that a growl I hear in the distance) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Curtis, what you say rings true with my experience. Of course it does! I don't understand the need to excessively qualify everything you say as my opinion this, or my opinion that. I think that is pretty obvious. My buy in was also tremendous. My take away from the experience is at a different point on the scale than yours, but I don't think you are skewing the whole affair by any means. And furthermore this place is greatly enhanced by your participation. I know you hear this a alot and the reason is, because it's just true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over-involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. In a Siddhaland-type context, sure. But you didn't specify that to begin with. It sounded as though you were speaking generally. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off of practicing TM? I don't. Emily can figure out for herself if TM is for her. But here I have a chance to express what I really think about it outside the PR angle that some person might get turned off to TM by me being honest about my POV on meditation. Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. It is a fascinating area for me and the jury is not in about any of it. I have come to believe that certain experiences of heightened states of bliss are not productive. For you. I am trying
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
At least you've got a sense of humor. At least sometimes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience during meditation. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. So you think Emily was confused that I am always expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her a bit more credit. Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your own POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one example, above you write, It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. And you refer to what you're questioning as the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Those are statements made as if of established fact. And they may *be* established fact. My point is that you make factual statements as well as POV statements, but some of your POV statements are indistinguishable from your factual statements. This is not a matter of PR. This is a matter of doing one's best not to mislead people. And how many times in a personal opinion post on an opinion forum should I make this disclaimer to avoid being accused of misleading people? Shouldn't you be doing this too? Yes, we all should. Again, though, my point is that when you make a post that includes factual statements and POV statements *and* statements made as if they were factual that are really POV statements, readers can easily be confused, especially if they aren't practitioners. Hear ye hear ye, from now on, if you see any post of mine here on FFL, it represents my own POV on any topic. I'll assume that this covers it once and for all. Let's see what happens in your future posts
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Ravi, I suspect you get a hard on when you glance at the morning paper, or maybe looking at a postage stamp. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:21 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Curtis, what you say rings true with my experience. Of course it does! Indeed - the hard on Steve gets every time he sees Curtis is pretty repulsing - at least to me. No offense to you here, Curtis - just Steve. I liked the concerns you brought up here - just disagree with your conclusions and how you brush off all cults, religion. Glad Judy challenged that. I don't understand the need to excessively qualify everything you say as my opinion this, or my opinion that. I think that is pretty obvious. My buy in was also tremendous. My take away from the experience is at a different point on the scale than yours, but I don't think you are skewing the whole affair by any means. And furthermore this place is greatly enhanced by your participation. I know you hear this a alot and the reason is, because it's just true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over-involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. In a Siddhaland-type context, sure. But you didn't specify that to begin with. It sounded as though you were speaking generally. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off of practicing TM? I don't. Emily can figure out for herself if TM is for her. But here I have a chance to express what I really think about it outside the PR angle that some person might get turned off
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:22 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! LOL..a very strategy to deal with this idiot. Of course you are! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience during meditation. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. So you think Emily was confused that I am always expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her a bit more credit. Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your own POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one example, above you write, It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. And you refer to what you're questioning as the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Those are statements made as if of established fact. And they may *be* established fact. My point is that you make factual statements as well as POV statements, but some of your POV statements are indistinguishable from your factual statements. This is not a matter of PR. This is a matter of doing one's best not to mislead people. And how many times in a personal opinion post on an opinion forum should I make this disclaimer to avoid being accused of misleading people? Shouldn't you be doing this too? Yes, we all should. Again, though, my point is that when you make a post that includes factual statements and POV statements *and* statements made as if they were factual that are really POV statements, readers can easily be confused, especially if they aren't practitioners. Hear ye hear ye, from now
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Try to come up with something new Ravi. I think's it's over used by the third go around, even with the extra exclamation mark. You can do better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:50 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ravi, I suspect you get a hard on when you glance at the morning paper, or maybe looking at a postage stamp. Of course you do !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:21 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Curtis, what you say rings true with my experience. Of course it does! Indeed - the hard on Steve gets every time he sees Curtis is pretty repulsing - at least to me. No offense to you here, Curtis - just Steve. I liked the concerns you brought up here - just disagree with your conclusions and how you brush off all cults, religion. Glad Judy challenged that. I don't understand the need to excessively qualify everything you say as my opinion this, or my opinion that. I think that is pretty obvious. My buy in was also tremendous. My take away from the experience is at a different point on the scale than yours, but I don't think you are skewing the whole affair by any means. And furthermore this place is greatly enhanced by your participation. I know you hear this a alot and the reason is, because it's just true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over-involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Ravi, just let me know if you wish to look at some examples of what an idiot truly is. I will be more than happy to provide such examples from your own public postings here. Is this something you'd like to compare and contrast? Just let me know, and I promise I'll keep it on the level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:22 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! LOL..a very strategy to deal with this idiot. Of course you are! You lost it, I am what? Hard to believe you are a native speaker. Now I extend this privilege of calling you an idiot for the rest of eternity..LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience during meditation. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. So you think Emily was confused that I am always expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her a bit more credit. Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your own POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one example, above you write, It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. And you refer to what you're questioning as the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Those are statements made as if of established fact. And they may *be* established fact. My
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: At least you've got a sense of humor. At least sometimes. Of course I do! Yes you do Judy. But I'm doing battle with Ravi right now, and I don't wish to open a second front right now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience during meditation. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. So you think Emily was confused that I am always expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her a bit more credit. Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your own POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one example, above you write, It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. And you refer to what you're questioning as the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Those are statements made as if of established fact. And they may *be* established fact. My point is that you make factual statements as well as POV statements, but some of your POV statements are indistinguishable from your factual statements. This is not a matter of PR. This is a matter of doing one's best not to mislead people. And how many times in a personal opinion post on an opinion forum should I make this disclaimer to avoid being accused of misleading people? Shouldn't you be doing this too? Yes
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Not at all Ravi. It's just that when you take an aggressvie tone with people, either because you're just that playful, or enlightened, or just wanting to push people's buttons, then people can do the same right back at you, maybe because they're stupid,or ignorant, or can't take a joke. Perhaps that is how you would look at it. Or at least that is how you generally refer to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Are you serious dear Steve? You trying to argue with me? Just for argument's sake? On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:05 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ravi, just let me know if you wish to look at some examples of what an idiot truly is. I will be more than happy to provide such examples from your own public postings here. Is this something you'd like to compare and contrast? Just let me know, and I promise I'll keep it on the level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:22 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! LOL..a very strategy to deal with this idiot. Of course you are! You lost it, I am what? Hard to believe you are a native speaker. Now I extend this privilege of calling you an idiot for the rest of eternity..LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: At least you've got a sense of humor. At least sometimes. Of course I do! Yes you do Judy. But I'm doing battle with Ravi right now, and I don't wish to open a second front right now. Of course you don't! Not at this hour. I couldn't expect any reinforcements at least for three to four hours. Maybe if I can settle this other front down a little. I mean, I don't expect to be taking any heavy damage, but those glancing blows can take a toll, anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive. But this is content free positive experience divorced from achievement. I am calling into question the whole goal of the yoga systems including TM. Well, including TM for those privy to the secret teachings, but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not one's experience during meditation. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. So you think Emily was confused that I am always expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her a bit more credit. Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your own POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one example, above you write, It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. And you refer to what you're
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
I'm turning in Ravi. Hope you have a good nights sleep (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Not at all Ravi. Of course you are !!! It's just that when you take an aggressvie tone with people, either because you're just that playful, or enlightened, or just wanting to push people's buttons, then people can do the same right back at you, maybe because they're stupid,or ignorant, or can't take a joke. Perhaps that is how you would look at it. Or at least that is how you generally refer to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Are you serious dear Steve? You trying to argue with me? Just for argument's sake? On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:05 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ravi, just let me know if you wish to look at some examples of what an idiot truly is. I will be more than happy to provide such examples from your own public postings here. Is this something you'd like to compare and contrast? Just let me know, and I promise I'll keep it on the level. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:22 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. Of course you are! LOL..a very strategy to deal with this idiot. Of course you are! You lost it, I am what? Hard to believe you are a native speaker. Now I extend this privilege of calling you an idiot for the rest of eternity..LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point is that it happens on another level of the brain. You were accusing me of making a comparison between TM and drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain functioning level. I am talking about an area of the brain where they are more similar in effect. And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. Like I said , what is most common among TMers is that they quit TM and I know this for a fact. Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who practice TM. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I was the type of person who had really charming experiences in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to have the experiences I was having. That must have been one of the secret teachings not divulged to the hoi polloi. In my experience the more charming, the more addictive
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Perhaps in an isolated small town, TM can become this way. In a busy urban context, there is no way to do this. That is the primary reason I stopped doing the TMSP - not practical, at all. I had a family, a household, a full time job, and a social life. How was I supposed to get about two hours of meditation in, every day? Thanks Jim. That also relates to my experience. In fact, I used to do afternoon program at the center here basically up until the time our first child was born. Then all those other factors took over, and it's pretty much been the outward stroke ever since. So, for me also, the bliss of meditation has given way to just enjoying activity more. Not that the bliss was a given anyway. And now, yes, the meditation is mostly for restorative purposes, and very enjoyable in that regard. Even when I worked for the TMO, rounding was a pain. Sure I had some deep experiences, but mostly, it was a chore. I think manycan relate to that. Of course, I was on long rounding courses, and the changes were always subtle and gradual, and oftentimes not noticeable until you left. I mostly went along with the 200 percent idea, and do now, that the practice of TM was only as good as my overall life is. Maharishi may have emphasized the Bliss during meditation, to stress its effectiveness, but his message was definitely for householders, and how to make their busy lives easier to deal with, by lowering stress, and improving health. True, but I guess we saw some message creep, or brand extension take place. So, if I was isolated, and had the means to pay my bills, I might get into the blissy, addictive nature of TM, though I would bet people living this way are a tiny minority of the active TM population. The thing is, the benefits of the next course or the next project' were always played up, and sacrafice was allowed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Curtis, what you say rings true with my experience. I don't understand the need to excessively qualify everything you say as my opinion this, or my opinion that. I think that is pretty obvious. My buy in was also tremendous. My take away from the experience is at a different point on the scale than yours, but I don't think you are skewing the whole affair by any means. And furthermore this place is greatly enhanced by your participation. I know you hear this a alot and the reason is, because it's just true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over-involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v1.07
I really don't think it matters what you call it. I mean, in some way, by some means, you got what you deserved. And I do believe that, to be a law of nature, or a law of karma, which I do believe in. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So what do you guys think? After all, the hardcore TBs here *can't* admit that I had support of nature on my side, because I'm so...so...evil and Off The Program and all. So that's right out. They also can't admit that I in any way deserve it, because some of them believe (and at least one has even said) that what I deserve is a long stretch in hell for all the things I've said about TM and the TMO and Maharishi. So I'm curious as to what they ascribe my good fortune *TO*. Me, I'll stick with Just Good Luck. I've had that going for me all my life, and in spades. By rights, given the dice-roll of chance, I should have been dead twenty times over or living under a bridge somewhere, but n. Instead I've had a remarkably fortunate life. No complaints. NONE. So what do you think is UP with that? It pretty much can't be the benevolence of gods or goddesses or Woo Woo Wiseguys looking after me from on high, because I bloody well don't believe in them. It's not a growing integration of mind and body from TM or the TMSP, because I don't believe in that, either, and don't practice either. I'm gonna go with Dumb Luck, and enjoy my time in the Marais. It's a vibrant, lively scene, with lots of wonderful cafes and restaurants and clubs, and close to a lot of evening entertainment. Some here of the homophobic persuasion might not like it because it's also a big gay area, but that never bothered me in Sitges (40% gay) and won't in the Marais, either. It'll be a bit longer of a commute to work than I wanted, but on a straight Metro line -- no changes -- so that's OK with me. All in all, I'm jazzed. And suspect that I will continue to be while there, literally, because I'll be down the street from one of Paris' oldest jazz clubs, where Miles and Coltrane and others played. I'm still, in fact, a little incredulous, hardly believing in my own Dumb Luck, but it does seem to be happening, so cool. Even if some of you manage to convince me that this is all really due to support of nature, that won't make it any cooler. Dumb Luck seems to work just as well for me as TMers' support of nature does for them, and it certainly costs less, both in terms of cash and the amount of belief-baggage one has to carry around.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Thank you Share. It's always nice when we observe basic courtesies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I think Steve is very often a reasonable, compassionate and honest voice on FFL. And yet I also enjoy the different kinds of voices here. A lot of what you wrote made me think, Curtis and I appreciate that too. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  I really appreciate that Steve, especially because we have both chosen different points on the scale in our personal take away. The fact that this partial agreement and appreciation for what I write is followed by a rash of taunting is one of the weirder aspects of the joint. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Curtis, what you say rings true with my experience. I don't understand the need to excessively qualify everything you say as my opinion this, or my opinion that. I think that is pretty obvious. My buy in was also tremendous. My take away from the experience is at a different point on the scale than yours, but I don't think you are skewing the whole affair by any means. And furthermore this place is greatly enhanced by your participation. I know you hear this a alot and the reason is, because it's just true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over-involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. In a Siddhaland-type context, sure. But you didn't specify that to begin with. It sounded as though you were speaking generally. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
I guess you do have to look a little at the life of two of my biggest critics. Ravi's life, which is pretty well documented, and Judy's life, or lack of a life. Or at least a life no one knows anything about even after 20 years of posting. Or, I suppose this is her life. That's about the only conclusion that can be drawn. Which is mostly just a counterpoint to everything Barry writes, and Curtis and anyone else who takes a stance she finds objectionable. Which of course is fine, except so much of it falls short of anything that makes much sense. I'd make a $500.00 bet that if a trained psychologist examined her interactions, just within the last few days, that they would arrive at a similiar conclusion, or they would at least find someone who is incapable of discussing things honestly, and who also resorts to evasive tactics, and straw man arguments all in a effort to feel that she has won an argument. Any takers? The fruits of a 30 plus years of dipping into pure concioussness, sat chit ananda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So unable to say anything cogent about the content of my post, (as Judy did, even though I disagree with her opinion about it) and having been called out for your trolling personal attack behavior, you attempt one of the weirdest of the FFL moves, trying to blame me for what other people write, as if it is my job to scold people for interactions that don't involve me. Says Curtis, right after having administered a scolding for interactions that didn't involve him. To Steve: The fact that this partial agreement and appreciation for what I write is followed by a rash of taunting is one of the weirder aspects of the joint. It involved me because it was jumping on Steve for complimenting ME. He was punishing Steve for saying something nice to me. Actually I started it, not because he said something nice to you, but because he's so stupidly *predictable*. You and I were having an argument, so he sided with you against me, as he virtually always does (he'll side with almost anybody against me). In his very next post he said I wasn't making much sense, and I responded the same way. (He isn't *smart* enough to get what I was saying.) Ravi thought that was a cool way to deal with Steve's empty-headed predictability, so he picked up on it, and we had fun batting Steve around with it. And that does affect how people feel about responding positively to my posts. They know that the shit storm will descend from the usual suspects. Oh, right, what a fierce shit storm that was. BTW, it didn't bother Steve. I don't know why it would bother anybody else. Except you, of course. You had to defend Steve from being teased by Big Bad Judy and Big Bad Ravi because he had sided with you, and you don't want to risk losing his approval. Nice try little gadfly. And I am not saying I will never jump into someone else's interaction if I choose to, this is an open message board and we all do that sometimes if it interest me. I am just not buckling to outside pressure to scold certain people Jim and you don't like. I don't think anybody was pressing you to do anything, just observing what you do (or in this case don't do-- unless, of course, you need to defend one of your allies). I am not obligated to do so. Just as you are not and pick and choose our own battles from your own priority perspective. This shame angle doesn't work on me. You are immune to any kind of shame, Curtis. You've been working on that for a long time. Unfortunately it doesn't stop others from commenting on what they consider shameful. Did you really think you were gunna make this fly after seeing Robin relentlessly try and fail the same thing? Robin wasn't the only one to call you out on your hypocrisy. Right, if I don't scold people you think I should scold, then I am a hypocrite and should never scold anyone that I choose to. The I am king baby routine isn't gunna work Judy. King Baby is Bob Price's and Ravi's name for Barry, not you. I don't know why you're invoking it in this context, particularly in the first person as if you were *quoting* Barry. All discussions with you end up here don't they? You are boringly predictable. A little hammer looking for a nail. I didn't bring it up. I just noted your hypocrisy when you dumped on DrD for mentioning it. So you got your name calling buzz on today. What a contribution. Hey did you think that comparing me not scolding people Jim doesn't like here on FFL to the German's attitude before the Holocaust was cool? Did you jump
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: No 'taker' here but I will give something. I actually take umbrage at your assertion about Judy's honesty. I personally don't think she has a dishonest molecule in her body. In fact, I would go so far as to says she can't help but tell the truth, as she sees it and at the risk of seriously pissing everyone off. I do not believe Judy is about distracting her reader from what is the closest to the truth of a thing, as she sees it from her level. snip Ann, More credit to you, if you can follow her arguments. I find that they often become convoluted beyond any sensible conclusion. And I suspect that you, like most of us, don't bother to read past the first couple of rebuttals she makes, especially after the third of fourth iteration. I would say, that if anyone wants to find a flaw in another person's reasoning, they can do so. There is always some technical point that can be disputed. But, by that point the spirit of the argument, or discussion is lost, and the object becomes simply finding a way to win. Or maybe you decide to frame your argument in parameters that you alone determine as valid and win on that basis. Oh, and the sin of snipping. That can always be grounds for immediate dismissal of any points. Because snipping in Judy's book is to hide something, and not for conciseness. (unless she does it) And yes, she does have time, have time, have time for nearly unlimited research, (which we must remember is research when she does it, but internet stalking when done by someone else) So, all of this, for me, disputes any notion of honesty on Judy's part. But I certainly understand the attraction of having someone like Judy on your team. She can disparage with best of them. But, I suspect that she would remain a better friend, or ally at a distance. And is it fair to bring up, that there must come a time, when we think about what legacy we might leave behind. I think that comes into play at some point. She is inexhaustible in her research and in the pursuit of 'getting it right'; she obviously has a mind that ranks right up there, as far as lucid, raw intelligence goes, as high as anybody who has ever posted here. (I know who is rolling their eyes right now, so don't think I don't.) Her style, her fighting instinct, her doggedness does not endear her to everyone. Fair enough. You don't have to like someone to appreciate their innate insistence on accuracy, on this kind of purity of defining things. She is, to me, very like a human barometer or other finely-tuned instrument that can't go against this nature of hers to give one an accurate reading. She can admit when she is wrong. She isn't easy at times, in fact she can be bloody ruthless. But I love that, in its proper time, in its proper context. The thing is, I don't believe Judy writes/asserts anything she does not truly believe - even at the risk of being wrong. If that is not honesty, then I don't know what is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Thank you Judy, for your usual kind words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Thank you, Ann, appreciate the kudos. Steve has a problem. He knows I don't think very highly of him--I've made that pretty clear--and he feels he needs to get back at me, but he doesn't have the chops to come up with legitimate criticisms that actually apply to me. So he just makes stuff up, like Barry, only Steve isn't nearly as creative. Any old insult is fine; it doesn't have to be accurate as long as he feels he's gotten his rocks off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I guess you do have to look a little at the life of two of my biggest critics. Ravi's life, which is pretty well documented, and Judy's life, or lack of a life. Or at least a life no one knows anything about even after 20 years of posting. Or, I suppose this is her life. That's about the only conclusion that can be drawn. Which is mostly just a counterpoint to everything Barry writes, and Curtis and anyone else who takes a stance she finds objectionable. Which of course is fine, except so much of it falls short of anything that makes much sense. I'd make a $500.00 bet that if a trained psychologist examined her interactions, just within the last few days, that they would arrive at a similiar conclusion, or they would at least find someone who is incapable of discussing things honestly, and who also resorts to evasive tactics, and straw man arguments all in a effort to feel that she has won an argument. Any takers? No 'taker' here but I will give something. I actually take umbrage at your assertion about Judy's honesty. I personally don't think she has a dishonest molecule in her body. In fact, I would go so far as to says she can't help but tell the truth, as she sees it and at the risk of seriously pissing everyone off. I do not believe Judy is about distracting her reader from what is the closest to the truth of a thing, as she sees it from her level. She is inexhaustible in her research and in the pursuit of 'getting it right'; she obviously has a mind that ranks right up there, as far as lucid, raw intelligence goes, as high as anybody who has ever posted here. (I know who is rolling their eyes right now, so don't think I don't.) Her style, her fighting instinct, her doggedness does not endear her to everyone. Fair enough. You don't have to like someone to appreciate their innate insistence on accuracy, on this kind of purity of defining things. She is, to me, very like a human barometer or other finely-tuned instrument that can't go against this nature of hers to give one an accurate reading. She can admit when she is wrong. She isn't easy at times, in fact she can be bloody ruthless. But I love that, in its proper time, in its proper context. The thing is, I don't believe Judy writes/asserts anything she does not truly believe - even at the risk of being wrong. If that is not honesty, then I don't know what is. The fruits of a 30 plus years of dipping into pure concioussness, sat chit ananda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So unable to say anything cogent about the content of my post, (as Judy did, even though I disagree with her opinion about it) and having been called out for your trolling personal attack behavior, you attempt one of the weirdest of the FFL moves, trying to blame me for what other people write, as if it is my job to scold people for interactions that don't involve me. Says Curtis, right after having administered a scolding for interactions that didn't involve him. To Steve: The fact that this partial agreement and appreciation for what I write is followed by a rash of taunting is one of the weirder aspects of the joint. It involved me because it was jumping on Steve for complimenting ME. He was punishing Steve for saying something nice to me. Actually I started it, not because he said something nice to you, but because he's so stupidly *predictable*. You and I were having an argument, so he sided with you against me, as he virtually always does (he'll side with almost anybody against me). In his very next post he said I wasn't making much sense, and I responded the same way. (He isn't *smart* enough to get what I was saying.) Ravi thought that was a cool way to deal with Steve's empty
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Ravi, your opinion always trumps. So, discussions with you generally degenerate into one of your usual tirades. I don't care to degrade you, but if you are going to make accusations by constantly calling people idiots or morons, I would be glad to play that game with you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Any takers? Yes - Steve, you can't even notice the contradictions in what you write. FFL is a place for discussion, so Judy doesn't have to reveal anything about herself - it's like you hilariously accused her of - a straw man argument. You are the one indulging in unfair, evasive tactics in attacking her. I reveal details about my personal life because I'm more of an entertainer and I want my audience to endear itself to me - if you are going to make me into some kind of ridiculous model here I would be the only one posting here perhaps and may be Emily..LOL - we don't want that do we? On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** I guess you do have to look a little at the life of two of my biggest critics. Ravi's life, which is pretty well documented, and Judy's life, or lack of a life. Or at least a life no one knows anything about even after 20 years of posting. Or, I suppose this is her life. That's about the only conclusion that can be drawn. Which is mostly just a counterpoint to everything Barry writes, and Curtis and anyone else who takes a stance she finds objectionable. Which of course is fine, except so much of it falls short of anything that makes much sense. I'd make a $500.00 bet that if a trained psychologist examined her interactions, just within the last few days, that they would arrive at a similiar conclusion, or they would at least find someone who is incapable of discussing things honestly, and who also resorts to evasive tactics, and straw man arguments all in a effort to feel that she has won an argument. Any takers? The fruits of a 30 plus years of dipping into pure concioussness, sat chit ananda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So unable to say anything cogent about the content of my post, (as Judy did, even though I disagree with her opinion about it) and having been called out for your trolling personal attack behavior, you attempt one of the weirdest of the FFL moves, trying to blame me for what other people write, as if it is my job to scold people for interactions that don't involve me. Says Curtis, right after having administered a scolding for interactions that didn't involve him. To Steve: The fact that this partial agreement and appreciation for what I write is followed by a rash of taunting is one of the weirder aspects of the joint. It involved me because it was jumping on Steve for complimenting ME. He was punishing Steve for saying something nice to me. Actually I started it, not because he said something nice to you, but because he's so stupidly *predictable*. You and I were having an argument, so he sided with you against me, as he virtually always does (he'll side with almost anybody against me). In his very next post he said I wasn't making much sense, and I responded the same way. (He isn't *smart* enough to get what I was saying.) Ravi thought that was a cool way to deal with Steve's empty-headed predictability, so he picked up on it, and we had fun batting Steve around with it. And that does affect how people feel about responding positively to my posts. They know that the shit storm will descend from the usual suspects. Oh, right, what a fierce shit storm that was. BTW, it didn't bother Steve. I don't know why it would bother anybody else. Except you, of course. You had to defend Steve from being teased by Big Bad Judy and Big Bad Ravi because he had sided with you, and you don't want to risk losing his approval. Nice try little gadfly. And I am not saying I will never jump into someone else's interaction if I choose to, this is an open message board and we all do that sometimes if it interest me. I am just not buckling to outside pressure to scold certain people Jim and you don't like. I don't think anybody was pressing you to do anything, just observing what you do (or in this case don't do-- unless, of course, you need to defend one of your allies). I am not obligated to do so. Just as you are not and pick and choose our own battles from your own priority perspective
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
better word below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ravi, your opinion always trumps. So, discussions with you generally degenerate into one of your usual tirades. I don't care to disparage you, but if you are going to make accusations by constantly calling people idiots or morons, I would be glad to play that game with you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Any takers? Yes - Steve, you can't even notice the contradictions in what you write. FFL is a place for discussion, so Judy doesn't have to reveal anything about herself - it's like you hilariously accused her of - a straw man argument. You are the one indulging in unfair, evasive tactics in attacking her. I reveal details about my personal life because I'm more of an entertainer and I want my audience to endear itself to me - if you are going to make me into some kind of ridiculous model here I would be the only one posting here perhaps and may be Emily..LOL - we don't want that do we? On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...: ** I guess you do have to look a little at the life of two of my biggest critics. Ravi's life, which is pretty well documented, and Judy's life, or lack of a life. Or at least a life no one knows anything about even after 20 years of posting. Or, I suppose this is her life. That's about the only conclusion that can be drawn. Which is mostly just a counterpoint to everything Barry writes, and Curtis and anyone else who takes a stance she finds objectionable. Which of course is fine, except so much of it falls short of anything that makes much sense. I'd make a $500.00 bet that if a trained psychologist examined her interactions, just within the last few days, that they would arrive at a similiar conclusion, or they would at least find someone who is incapable of discussing things honestly, and who also resorts to evasive tactics, and straw man arguments all in a effort to feel that she has won an argument. Any takers? The fruits of a 30 plus years of dipping into pure concioussness, sat chit ananda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So unable to say anything cogent about the content of my post, (as Judy did, even though I disagree with her opinion about it) and having been called out for your trolling personal attack behavior, you attempt one of the weirdest of the FFL moves, trying to blame me for what other people write, as if it is my job to scold people for interactions that don't involve me. Says Curtis, right after having administered a scolding for interactions that didn't involve him. To Steve: The fact that this partial agreement and appreciation for what I write is followed by a rash of taunting is one of the weirder aspects of the joint. It involved me because it was jumping on Steve for complimenting ME. He was punishing Steve for saying something nice to me. Actually I started it, not because he said something nice to you, but because he's so stupidly *predictable*. You and I were having an argument, so he sided with you against me, as he virtually always does (he'll side with almost anybody against me). In his very next post he said I wasn't making much sense, and I responded the same way. (He isn't *smart* enough to get what I was saying.) Ravi thought that was a cool way to deal with Steve's empty-headed predictability, so he picked up on it, and we had fun batting Steve around with it. And that does affect how people feel about responding positively to my posts. They know that the shit storm will descend from the usual suspects. Oh, right, what a fierce shit storm that was. BTW, it didn't bother Steve. I don't know why it would bother anybody else. Except you, of course. You had to defend Steve from being teased by Big Bad Judy and Big Bad Ravi because he had sided with you, and you don't want to risk losing his approval. Nice try little gadfly. And I am not saying I will never jump into someone else's interaction if I choose to, this is an open message board and we all do that sometimes if it interest me. I am just not buckling to outside pressure to scold certain people Jim and you don't like. I don't think anybody was pressing you to do anything, just observing what you do
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip Oh, and the sin of snipping. That can always be grounds for immediate dismissal of any points. Because snipping in Judy's book is to hide something, and not for conciseness. (unless she does it) And yes, she does have time, have time, have time for nearly unlimited research, (which we must remember is research when she does it, but internet stalking when done by someone else) So, all of this, for me, disputes any notion of honesty on Judy's part. Except for the fact that what you say above about snipping and research is not true, and you know it's not true. Truth, for you Judy is often a moving target. As Curtis pointed, often the opportunity for a discussion that yields greater understanding is a casualty for a different agenda. Lying about a person isn't a very good way to make a case for their being dishonest, now, is it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
As Ravi noted Judy, no one has any obligation to reveal personal details about themselves. You feel that you have done this. I'd have to disagree. And what I am saying, is that it comes out naturally over a period of time. We knew more about Ann in two weeks, than we've known about you in all the time you've been here. I can't help but feel that that speaks to the fact that maybe there's not much there to share. I'm sorry about that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Yes - Steve, you can't even notice the contradictions in what you write. FFL is a place for discussion, so Judy doesn't have to reveal anything about herself - it's like you hilariously accused her of - a straw man argument. Not only that, it's not true that I haven't revealed anything about myself, as I pointed out to him awhile back when he made the same nitwit accusation. As I told Ann, he doesn't have any legitimate complaints, so he just makes 'em up. And then calls me dishonest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I would be glad to play that game with you. OK..ready,set, GO !!! Aw forget it - when I insult someone it almost always sticks but never the other way around - I was an arrogant SOB from the day I was born. And as Dr. Phil asks, How's that working for you Ravi But one can always try disparaging me..LOL. You are so much poorer in understanding me if you label it as a tirade or an accusation, poorer in judging me based on what I do. I don't think I miss your playful nature Ravi. But there is always gonna be someone of the other side of your equation, who will be willing to dish it right back to you. Well you are fucking clueless Steve - but I still love you. I guess somehow Ravi, I've got something to show for it. Know what I mean?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: OMG Ann wrote all that and you don't show any inclination to absorb what she had to say - you couldn't detect any sincerity, conviction in her post? You dismiss Ann's entire message because you think Ann wants Judy's support in attacking others? Oh boy - you are fucking hopeless man. I'm sorry Ravi. Please forgive me. On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: No 'taker' here but I will give something. I actually take umbrage at your assertion about Judy's honesty. I personally don't think she has a dishonest molecule in her body. In fact, I would go so far as to says she can't help but tell the truth, as she sees it and at the risk of seriously pissing everyone off. I do not believe Judy is about distracting her reader from what is the closest to the truth of a thing, as she sees it from her level. snip Ann, More credit to you, if you can follow her arguments. I find that they often become convoluted beyond any sensible conclusion. And I suspect that you, like most of us, don't bother to read past the first couple of rebuttals she makes, especially after the third of fourth iteration. I would say, that if anyone wants to find a flaw in another person's reasoning, they can do so. There is always some technical point that can be disputed. But, by that point the spirit of the argument, or discussion is lost, and the object becomes simply finding a way to win. Or maybe you decide to frame your argument in parameters that you alone determine as valid and win on that basis. Oh, and the sin of snipping. That can always be grounds for immediate dismissal of any points. Because snipping in Judy's book is to hide something, and not for conciseness. (unless she does it) And yes, she does have time, have time, have time for nearly unlimited research, (which we must remember is research when she does it, but internet stalking when done by someone else) So, all of this, for me, disputes any notion of honesty on Judy's part. But I certainly understand the attraction of having someone like Judy on your team. She can disparage with best of them. But, I suspect that she would remain a better friend, or ally at a distance. And is it fair to bring up, that there must come a time, when we think about what legacy we might leave behind. I think that comes into play at some point. She is inexhaustible in her research and in the pursuit of 'getting it right'; she obviously has a mind that ranks right up there, as far as lucid, raw intelligence goes, as high as anybody who has ever posted here. (I know who is rolling their eyes right now, so don't think I don't.) Her style, her fighting instinct, her doggedness does not endear her to everyone. Fair enough. You don't have to like someone to appreciate their innate insistence on accuracy, on this kind of purity of defining things. She is, to me, very like a human barometer or other finely-tuned instrument that can't go against this nature of hers to give one an accurate reading. She can admit when she is wrong. She isn't easy at times, in fact she can be bloody ruthless. But I love that, in its proper time, in its proper context. The thing is, I don't believe Judy writes/asserts anything she does not truly believe - even at the risk of being wrong. If that is not honesty, then I don't know what is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hi seekliberation, thanks for what you just wrote. It's just a wavy place here on this earth, peaks and troughs all the time. And surfing can be great fun. Even wiping out can be fun if one relaxes into it (-: That deserves a smiley face (-: I was in the kitchen and thinking about anything that lasts a long time, whether it be a marriage, a career, a spiritual practice, a friendship or even a hobby. There are bound to be wonderful moments and less than wonderful moments.   Ok, that's all I got for now. From: seekliberation seekliberation@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old  Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much over the last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will say however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat atrocious. Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical point, it turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, nothing can be great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting moments, and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, and therefore nothing to really complain about. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the events of the last few days on FFL as anything other than the same people repeating the same things they've done for years. First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her long, I win by definition arguments by *appearing* to ask reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and tries his best to address her questions, while respecting the fact that she sees things that way, given her near-absolute lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is trying her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the things it teaches are the same as that presented in the intro lectures. As *everyone* here expected, within a couple of posts Judy was back to name-calling. That WAS the whole purpose of her questions in the first place, after all, to open up an opportunity for her to yell at one of her long-term enemies and attempt to get other people to do the same. And sure enough, her cohorts in idiocy did just that, with Ann, Ravi, and Jim piling on to diss not only Curtis, but *anyone* who found what he said accurate, or even interesting. WHY do people keep falling for this shit? You KNOW what is going to happen if you interact with Judy Stein? You KNOW that within a couple of pretend nice posts she'll have turned it into another of her bat-shit-crazy demonization sessions. WHY do you even bother to get involved? The woman is not worth pissing on, much less conversing with. ANYONE here, including Steve, myself, and anyone with half a brain and a memory, KNEW what was going to happen the moment that Curtis took the bait. And, of course, it did. The amazing part to me is that people who actually WERE part of the TMO, and got involved with it past the point of the duplicitous intro lectures, bother to try to argue things with a couple of people who never did. (Jim and Judy) THEY never had any experience of what was *really* taught to TM teachers, and of the pressures put on them to make sacrifices and ignore other responsibilities to be full-time and to go on the Next Course, the one that will finally work for you. Neither of them cared enough about Maharishi and his teachings to ever even try to MEET Maharishi, ferchrissakes. EVERYTHING they say is based on taped lectures or stuff they've read; NOTHING based on rubber-meets-the-road experience within the organization they're so desperate to defend, at the peon level, the level of student that Maharishi didn't even bother to try to rip off and indoctrinate...unless they were rich, of course. So what they do is parrot the things that *they* heard, in the intro lectures and the few short courses they did manage to show up for, and pretend that this is how TM was really taught. That's total BULLSHIT, and I'm aghast that people keep falling for it. Please, people, LEARN from this and avoid the pain that has not yet come next time. The *next* time Judy tries to lure one of you into her endless arguments, recognize in advance that all she is doing is trying to set up yet another opportunity to yell at someone. That's ALL she has, and ALL that she lives for. She's the Internet counterpart of a shopping cart lady, cruising the streets looking deperately for someone -- ANYONE -- to scream at. Do what smart passersby learn to do with such bag ladies, and IGNORE HER DEMENTED ASS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Thanks Share. I guess people develop certain habits, that become difficult to break. But I don't know how else you move forward. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Steve, I like your point in the second paragraph below: that it's always possible to find a flaw in what the other person has written. I definitely see myself doing that, hopefully less as time goes by. And I very much appreciate your point that the spirit of discussion is lost. Somehow it reminds me of the times when there is a great discussion on FFL, what that's like. Makes it worth hanging in here. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: No 'taker' here but I will give something. I actually take umbrage at your assertion about Judy's honesty. I personally don't think she has a dishonest molecule in her body. In fact, I would go so far as to says she can't help but tell the truth, as she sees it and at the risk of seriously pissing everyone off. I do not believe Judy is about distracting her reader from what is the closest to the truth of a thing, as she sees it from her level. snip Ann, More credit to you, if you can follow her arguments. I find that they often become convoluted beyond any sensible conclusion. And I suspect that you, like most of us, don't bother to read past the first couple of rebuttals she makes, especially after the third of fourth iteration. I would say, that if anyone wants to find a flaw in another person's reasoning, they can do so. There is always some technical point that can be disputed. But, by that point the spirit of the argument, or discussion is lost, and the object becomes simply finding a way to win. Or maybe you decide to frame your argument in parameters that you alone determine as valid and win on that basis. Oh, and the sin of snipping. That can always be grounds for immediate dismissal of any points. Because snipping in Judy's book is to hide something, and not for conciseness. (unless she does it) And yes, she does have time, have time, have time for nearly unlimited research, (which we must remember is research when she does it, but internet stalking when done by someone else) So, all of this, for me, disputes any notion of honesty on Judy's part. But I certainly understand the attraction of having someone like Judy on your team.  She can disparage with best of them. But, I suspect that she would remain a better friend, or ally at a distance. And is it fair to bring up, that there must come a time, when we think about what legacy we might leave behind. I think that comes into play at some point.   She is inexhaustible in her research and in the pursuit of 'getting it right'; she obviously has a mind that ranks right up there, as far as lucid, raw intelligence goes, as high as anybody who has ever posted here. (I know who is rolling their eyes right now, so don't think I don't.) Her style, her fighting instinct, her doggedness does not endear her to everyone. Fair enough. You don't have to like someone to appreciate their innate insistence on accuracy, on this kind of purity of defining things. She is, to me, very like a human barometer or other finely-tuned instrument that can't go against this nature of hers to give one an accurate reading. She can admit when she is wrong. She isn't easy at times, in fact she can be bloody ruthless. But I love that, in its proper time, in its proper context. The thing is, I don't believe Judy writes/asserts anything she does not truly believe - even at the risk of being wrong. If that is not honesty, then I don't know what is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
Ravi, ferchrissakes, think about your meeting. Forget about this place for a few minutes. Do some deep breathing, some knee bends. Find a soft and soothing bhajan. Practice your opening line. Come on dude. Priorities!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh seeklib - you are a fucking saint dude - where the fuck have you have been while we mediocre minds were going batshit crazy. Have you ever met Xeno - I have a feeling you two idiots will totally love each other. On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much over the last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will say however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat atrocious. Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical point, it turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, nothing can be great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting moments, and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, and therefore nothing to really complain about. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the events of the last few days on FFL as anything other than the same people repeating the same things they've done for years. First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her long, I win by definition arguments by *appearing* to ask reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and tries his best to address her questions, while respecting the fact that she sees things that way, given her near-absolute lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is trying her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the things it teaches are the same as that presented in the intro lectures. As *everyone* here expected, within a couple of posts Judy was back to name-calling. That WAS the whole purpose of her questions in the first place, after all, to open up an opportunity for her to yell at one of her long-term enemies and attempt to get other people to do the same. And sure enough, her cohorts in idiocy did just that, with Ann, Ravi, and Jim piling on to diss not only Curtis, but *anyone* who found what he said accurate, or even interesting. WHY do people keep falling for this shit? You KNOW what is going to happen if you interact with Judy Stein? You KNOW that within a couple of pretend nice posts she'll have turned it into another of her bat-shit-crazy demonization sessions. WHY do you even bother to get involved? The woman is not worth pissing on, much less conversing with. ANYONE here, including Steve, myself, and anyone with half a brain and a memory, KNEW what was going to happen the moment that Curtis took the bait. And, of course, it did. The amazing part to me is that people who actually WERE part of the TMO, and got involved with it past the point of the duplicitous intro lectures, bother to try to argue things with a couple of people who never did. (Jim and Judy) THEY never had any experience of what was *really* taught to TM teachers, and of the pressures put on them to make sacrifices and ignore other responsibilities to be full-time and to go on the Next Course, the one that will finally work for you. Neither of them cared enough about Maharishi and his teachings to ever even try to MEET Maharishi, ferchrissakes. EVERYTHING they say is based on taped lectures or stuff they've read; NOTHING based on rubber-meets-the-road experience within the organization they're so desperate to defend, at the peon level, the level of student that Maharishi didn't even bother to try to rip off and indoctrinate...unless they were rich, of course. So what they do is parrot the things that *they* heard, in the intro lectures and the few short courses they did manage to show up for, and pretend that this is how TM was really taught. That's total BULLSHIT, and I'm aghast that people keep falling for it. Please, people, LEARN from this and avoid the pain that has not yet come next time. The *next* time Judy tries to lure one of you into her endless arguments, recognize in advance that all she is doing is trying to set up yet another opportunity to yell at someone. That's ALL she has, and ALL that she lives for. She's the Internet counterpart of a shopping cart lady, cruising the streets looking deperately for someone -- ANYONE -- to scream at. Do what smart passersby learn to do with such bag ladies, and IGNORE HER DEMENTED ASS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Truth, for you Judy is often a moving target. (from Steve) No, Steve, it is not. Why you've suddenly decided that telling whoppers about me is a good tactic, I really don't know. But I'd suggest that you rethink it, because it makes you look even more helplessly stupid than you already do. part of your loop, Judy
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: As Ravi noted Judy, no one has any obligation to reveal personal details about themselves. You feel that you have done this. I'd have to disagree. Uh, no, Steve, I don't feel that I have done this, I *have* done this. It isn't a matter of agreement or disagreement, it's a fact and is on the record. And that, my dear is the sad part. A few little green shoots in the desert. Maybe they're even brown most of the time. And what I am saying, is that it comes out naturally over a period of time. We knew more about Ann in two weeks, than we've known about you in all the time you've been here. That is not a fact, Steve. It's very far from a fact. I can't help but feel that that speaks to the fact that maybe there's not much there to share. I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry that you've chosen lying as the appropriate way to get back at me. What liars never seem to realize is that lying is an admission of defeat, as well as of a lack of self-respect. Ok, I do wish that you were a better example of some of these high minded sentiments you express. But as Ravi says, I love you anyway. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Yes - Steve, you can't even notice the contradictions in what you write. FFL is a place for discussion, so Judy doesn't have to reveal anything about herself - it's like you hilariously accused her of - a straw man argument. Not only that, it's not true that I haven't revealed anything about myself, as I pointed out to him awhile back when he made the same nitwit accusation. As I told Ann, he doesn't have any legitimate complaints, so he just makes 'em up. And then calls me dishonest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Must be DST Ravi. I don't know what's gotten into me! Help me Rhonda. Help, Help, Help me Rhonda! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve - what the fuck is wrong with you. This is the first time I'm seeing dishonesty, deceptiveness creep in to your attacks on Judy - are you channeling Barry - it's not funny anymore, get a grip dude. On Mar 11, 2013, at 5:29 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip Oh, and the sin of snipping. That can always be grounds for immediate dismissal of any points. Because snipping in Judy's book is to hide something, and not for conciseness. (unless she does it) And yes, she does have time, have time, have time for nearly unlimited research, (which we must remember is research when she does it, but internet stalking when done by someone else) So, all of this, for me, disputes any notion of honesty on Judy's part. Except for the fact that what you say above about snipping and research is not true, and you know it's not true. Truth, for you Judy is often a moving target. As Curtis pointed, often the opportunity for a discussion that yields greater understanding is a casualty for a different agenda. Lying about a person isn't a very good way to make a case for their being dishonest, now, is it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much over the last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will say however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat atrocious. Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical point, it turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. You really can't have a deep discussion about some philosophical point when one of the parties to the discussion refuses to make a straightforward case, resisting all attempts to level the playing field. Bingo! Did someone just say Bingo!? Thanks Judy for hi lighting the essence of any interaction with you. This is why you are undefeated in the annals of internet discussion groups. I ask, oh good people of internet forums, would this make a good epitaph? (Not to mention when one of that party's allies decides to jump in and distort the playing field beyond all recognition because he has an obsessive grudge against the other party.) But then again, nothing can be great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting moments, and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, and therefore nothing to really complain about. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
Now that's a direct hit. No near miss there! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ravi said to share: I think you, Xeno, seeklib, Barry, Steve should form your own list. Share replies LOL: FFL folks, how long would Ravi last on a group where he didn't have someone to rant against? And an audience to rant for? Exactly! Here's a little vignette to express this another way. Ravi goes up to a Rainbow and says to Purple: Ravi to Purple: You're not Orange. Purple: Very good Ravi. You get a gold star today. Ravi: FUCK GOLD STARS! YOU'RE NOT ORANGE!  Purple: Sounds like you prefer Orange. Ravi: FUCK PREFER! YOU'RE NOT ORANGE. Purple: Duh, then go look at orange, why don't you, there's a good chap. Ravi throwing tantrum on floor: I want Orange. They should ALL be Orange. FUCK RAINBOWS!  From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old  Ravi, ferchrissakes, think about your meeting.  Forget about this place for a few minutes.  Do some deep breathing, some knee bends.  Find a soft and soothing bhajan.  Practice your opening line. Come on dude.  Priorities!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh seeklib - you are a fucking saint dude - where the fuck have you have been while we mediocre minds were going batshit crazy. Have you ever met Xeno - I have a feeling you two idiots will totally love each other. On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much over the last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will say however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat atrocious. Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical point, it turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, nothing can be great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting moments, and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, and therefore nothing to really complain about. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the events of the last few days on FFL as anything other than the same people repeating the same things they've done for years. First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her long, I win by definition arguments by *appearing* to ask reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and tries his best to address her questions, while respecting the fact that she sees things that way, given her near-absolute lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is trying her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the things it teaches are the same as that presented in the intro lectures. As *everyone* here expected, within a couple of posts Judy was back to name-calling. That WAS the whole purpose of her questions in the first place, after all, to open up an opportunity for her to yell at one of her long-term enemies and attempt to get other people to do the same. And sure enough, her cohorts in idiocy did just that, with Ann, Ravi, and Jim piling on to diss not only Curtis, but *anyone* who found what he said accurate, or even interesting. WHY do people keep falling for this shit? You KNOW what is going to happen if you interact with Judy Stein? You KNOW that within a couple of pretend nice posts she'll have turned it into another of her bat-shit-crazy demonization sessions. WHY do you even bother to get involved? The woman is not worth pissing on, much less conversing with. ANYONE here, including Steve, myself, and anyone with half a brain and a memory, KNEW what was going to happen the moment that Curtis took the bait. And, of course, it did. The amazing part to me is that people who actually WERE part of the TMO, and got involved with it past the point of the duplicitous intro lectures, bother to try to argue things with a couple of people who never did. (Jim and Judy) THEY never had any experience of what was *really* taught to TM teachers, and of the pressures put on them to make sacrifices and ignore other responsibilities to be full-time and to go on the Next Course, the one that will finally work for you. Neither of them cared enough about Maharishi and his teachings to ever even try to MEET Maharishi, ferchrissakes. EVERYTHING they say is based on taped lectures or stuff they've read; NOTHING based on rubber-meets-the-road experience within the organization they're so desperate to defend, at the peon level, the level of student that Maharishi didn't even
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
Channel Krishna, or Rama. Leave Yajnavvalkay out of it! And make sure your shoes are shined! And hair combed! And maybe a Brooks Bros. polo instead of an AF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Thanks Steve - yes I am aware of it and I was totally preparing the whole night, in fact I had new wonderful insights. Plus last night was Shivaratri - so there you go - 2 birds one stone thingie. On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:49 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ravi, ferchrissakes, think about your meeting. Forget about this place for a few minutes. Do some deep breathing, some knee bends. Find a soft and soothing bhajan. Practice your opening line. Come on dude. Priorities!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh seeklib - you are a fucking saint dude - where the fuck have you have been while we mediocre minds were going batshit crazy. Have you ever met Xeno - I have a feeling you two idiots will totally love each other. On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much over the last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will say however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat atrocious. Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical point, it turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, nothing can be great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting moments, and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, and therefore nothing to really complain about. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the events of the last few days on FFL as anything other than the same people repeating the same things they've done for years. First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her long, I win by definition arguments by *appearing* to ask reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and tries his best to address her questions, while respecting the fact that she sees things that way, given her near-absolute lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is trying her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the things it teaches are the same as that presented in the intro lectures. As *everyone* here expected, within a couple of posts Judy was back to name-calling. That WAS the whole purpose of her questions in the first place, after all, to open up an opportunity for her to yell at one of her long-term enemies and attempt to get other people to do the same. And sure enough, her cohorts in idiocy did just that, with Ann, Ravi, and Jim piling on to diss not only Curtis, but *anyone* who found what he said accurate, or even interesting. WHY do people keep falling for this shit? You KNOW what is going to happen if you interact with Judy Stein? You KNOW that within a couple of pretend nice posts she'll have turned it into another of her bat-shit-crazy demonization sessions. WHY do you even bother to get involved? The woman is not worth pissing on, much less conversing with. ANYONE here, including Steve, myself, and anyone with half a brain and a memory, KNEW what was going to happen the moment that Curtis took the bait. And, of course, it did. The amazing part to me is that people who actually WERE part of the TMO, and got involved with it past the point of the duplicitous intro lectures, bother to try to argue things with a couple of people who never did. (Jim and Judy) THEY never had any experience of what was *really* taught to TM teachers, and of the pressures put on them to make sacrifices and ignore other responsibilities to be full-time and to go on the Next Course, the one that will finally work for you. Neither of them cared enough about Maharishi and his teachings to ever even try to MEET Maharishi, ferchrissakes. EVERYTHING they say is based on taped lectures or stuff they've read; NOTHING based on rubber-meets-the-road experience within the organization they're so desperate to defend, at the peon level, the level of student that Maharishi didn't even bother to try to rip off and indoctrinate...unless they were rich, of course. So what they do is parrot the things that *they* heard, in the intro lectures and the few short courses they did manage to show up for, and pretend that this is how TM was really taught. That's total BULLSHIT, and I'm aghast that people keep falling for it. Please, people, LEARN from
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Oh, you miswrote, Steve. You meant to say any interaction with Curtis. D'oh!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yes a direct hit. Raja Ravi Yogi doesn't shoot any blanks - Bob Price And an authentic reaction from an inauthentic b-oh forget it and a post devoid of any fucking platitudes - how cool is that huh? yawn! I admit, you got my attention quoting Bob. That gives you some points. Now, it he had relayed something from the wife, well a re-evaluation would be in order.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ravi said: Awesome dear Share...See the magic Ravi weaves. Share replies: Ravi, your humbleness takes my breath away.  Ravi continues to Purple: YOU'RE STILL NOT ORANGE! DESPITE MY MAGIC! DESPITE MY BULLETS! Purple: Orange is right over there, old chap. Maybe if you take off those purple sunglasses... Hey, I'm gonna channel Emily. Bwaah. Good one Share!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
Houston, we've reached DEFCON 2, the Ravster has introduced the r word. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Totally clueless you both are huh? Sweet - You guys should have gotten together and humanity would have witnessed the historic, natural, miraculous birth of retardlets. On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:02 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi said:Ã Awesome dear Share...See the magic Ravi weaves.Ã Share replies:Ã Ravi, your humbleness takes my breath away. Ã Ravi continues to Purple:Ã YOU'RE STILL NOT ORANGE!Ã DESPITE MY MAGIC!Ã DESPITE MY BULLETS! Purple:Ã Orange is right over there, old chap.Ã Maybe if you take off those purple sunglasses...Ã Hey, I'm gonna channel Emily. Bwaah. Good one Share!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
we slowly, easily come back to our meeting. it is just a simple, natural process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: It was hilarious wasn't it dear Share..ha ha ha..OMG, OMFG, ha ha ha..Ho Ho Ho..woo...bang#%^* slam *^%#boink oink..bang, ouch..#%^* wow..yeah..totally..OMG YEAH..baby On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Steve, thanks for my best and longest laugh of the day. So far (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old Houston, we've reached DEFCON 2, the Ravster has introduced the r word. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Totally clueless you both are huh? Sweet - You guys should have gotten together and humanity would have witnessed the historic, natural, miraculous birth of retardlets. On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:02 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi said:Ãâ Awesome dear Share...See the magic Ravi weaves.Ãâ Share replies:Ãâ Ravi, your humbleness takes my breath away. Ãâ Ravi continues to Purple:Ãâ YOU'RE STILL NOT ORANGE!Ãâ DESPITE MY MAGIC!Ãâ DESPITE MY BULLETS! Purple:Ãâ Orange is right over there, old chap.Ãâ Maybe if you take off those purple sunglasses...Ãâ Hey, I'm gonna channel Emily. Bwaah. Good one Share!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Hijacks Achievment? [was MUM kid expelled for pot....]
And of course I was aware of that. It's something called poetic license, and it's employed by writers and even others when they want to make a particular point. I can explain more about it if you want. You might want to lighten up a tad and just smell the roses. They should be coming up soon. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Xenophaneros Anartaxius; Being. Solid and stable. Very real. What a wonderful post. I ask and survey around and a lot of old meditators here are having number one experiences like this too and also practice fluid meditation this way of the three forms you mention, even in the Domes. You are not alone in this description but this seems the way it has gone for many. Established in Being, perform meditation. Or something like that. Then also the field effect of sitting in groups meditating doing spiritual work. Throughout the week there are ongoing groups of meditators in Fairfield practicing forms of the three meditations you mention in combination. I read what you write and think you'd be a fine addition to our Quaker meeting on Sundays. The Monday eve heart meditation. The Tuesday light-lunch meditation at the Mother Divine Church. Weds Circle of Sophia. Thursday Satsang. 2:30 everyday at Revelations. Friday shaktipat 7:45pm. Waking down, Waking up, Ammas, Shri Shri. The Domes twice a day. All week long every week. This is Fairfield, the Fermilab of consciousness spirituality. Evidently according to the science of field affect there is safety in numbers and proximity matters spiritually too. You should come visit. YOu'd like it. We will even pay people to come meditate here now. With experiences like this you should Be here with us. You're invited, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: In all these years I have found three kinds of meditation useful: 1. Guided Meditations 2. TM 3. Zen, Vipassana, mindfulness kinds of meditation where instead of a mantra, one comes back to the breath if one drifts off, and attempting to be as physically still as possible (with minimal effort). I could not do this kind of meditation four or five decades ago, but now is more or less the pervasive quality of most of my meditations, even if I start with TM. Right too, as if Maharishi was going just with the mantra all the time when he'd close his eyes in meetings with us. -Buck It is an interesting thing that Maharishi's last technique that he was working on even as he was at the end of his mortal life was in dealing with 'illumination' of the Unified Field within the body physiology, the subtle system of the Field soul manifesting in the body. His Ved and Physiology technique is very definitely a composite technique of all three meditation modalities which Xenophaneros Anartaxius mentions here in his essay. Xenophaneros evidently in evolution is spontaneously ahead of things with his own long and growing experience as a meditator. It's very beautiful. -Buck If everything is 'transcendence', one cannot meditate to transcend, one meditates because among other things, it is something to do or not do. Meditation is really culturing not doing anything, that mysterious quality of letting the world get it on and having a ball. As for creativity, I feel meditation and the release of various impediments allows it to flow better; I have never felt meditation enhances creativity. Whatever creativity we have is already there. Believing strongly that meditation enhances creativity seems to be a good way to banish creativity from experience and replace it with a veneer of creativity platitudes. Creativity just comes if it is there and there is no resistence. There are people in this world who really do lack creativity. Unblocking that results in the same lack of creativity. I often think these people gravitate to bureaucratic jobs. MUM administration comes to mind. Experiment. Be curious. Think. You cannot learn about your own life by sitting back and letting someone else tell you how to live it. Make use of advice, but do not get sucked into it. Do not believe a word I say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old
Que to 9:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=723CM6XKeEY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh, dear Steve, I thought Ravi WAS talking about his meeting. Of course if she shows up not wearing one of Ravi's favorite colors, there will be no * hilarity * for him tonight. Then he'll be even more jealous I guess. Hmmm, wonder how he feels about green.   From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old  we slowly, easily come back to our meeting.  it is just a simple, natural process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: It was hilarious wasn't it dear Share..ha ha ha..OMG, OMFG, ha ha ha..Ho Ho Ho..woo...bang#%^* slam *^%#boink oink..bang, ouch..#%^* wow..yeah..totally..OMG YEAH..baby On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Steve, thanks for my best and longest laugh of the day. So far (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same old, same old Houston, we've reached DEFCON 2, the Ravster has introduced the r word. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Totally clueless you both are huh? Sweet - You guys should have gotten together and humanity would have witnessed the historic, natural, miraculous birth of retardlets. On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:02 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ravi said:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Awesome dear Share...See the magic Ravi weaves.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Share replies:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Ravi, your humbleness takes my breath away. ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Ravi continues to Purple:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ YOU'RE STILL NOT ORANGE!ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ DESPITE MY MAGIC!ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ DESPITE MY BULLETS! Purple:ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Orange is right over there, old chap.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Maybe if you take off those purple sunglasses...ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Hey, I'm gonna channel Emily. Bwaah. Good one Share!
[FairfieldLife] Re: BOWING IN SILENCE REMEMBER MY TREMBLING BODY-FRIENDS GONE
That's quite beautiful Share. As is Merudandas'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: No words seem adequate in the face of so much loss and grief. Nonetheless All those hearts no longer beating, a different kind of tsunami, silence rushing into every broken place From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] BOWING IN SILENCE REMEMBER MY TREMBLING BODY-FRIENDS GONE  BOWING IN SILENCE REMEMBER MY TREMBLING BODY FRIENDS GONE http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9921800/Japan-stand\ s-still-to-remember-tsunami-victims-two-years-after-disaster-struck.html http://tinyurl.com/b2oosmo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP-APfLtE7Q Stand at graves and weep; Not there. no sleep. Thousand winds that blow. Diamond glints on snow. Sunlight on ripened grain. Gentle morning rain. Awaken in the morning's hush, Swift uplifting rush Quiet birds in circled flight. Soft stars soon shine at night. Stand at graves and cried; Not there, not died  People all over Japan bowed their heads in silence . Like the handshake, the bow convey here a salutation, a farewell, or an expression of thanks and gratitude as well as grieve Let us breath in while bending forward, exhale when at the lowest part of the bow,inhales once more returning to our initial posture allowing the back to stretch naturally. The head motions in a smooth arc visually pleasing and sincere An open sky above my head is all but still, A vacancy hushes the voices scrambling in my mind Gazing into the mist, silk entwines my body.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alienation and Idleness in Paradise
Share, I like the points you raise. I guess if you have more a philosophical bent, then it is interesting to go deep into philosophical issues. And I am very much enjoyng the back and forth on that. But it is also just as valuable to view things from a more practical viewpoint as well. I believe you to be a person whose intuiton has guided you to make good decisions which have brought you a good degree of fulfillment, but who also a person who does not run away from the painful slings and arrows that life throws one's way. Comments from the peanut gallery. Now I'm gonna go to bed. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ooo, I do enjoy following your different lines of thought here. But I'm actually gonna start with something you wrote to Doc. Curtis to Doc: Evaluating the reasons we adapt beliefs is not a science issue. They have to deal with it too, but it underlies all of human knowledge. Share: I think it is a science issue: the sciences of psychology and anthropology and sociology. And even if by science you meant the hard sciences, then definitely the adaptation of beliefs can be scrutinized by neurobiologists, etc. Wouldn't it be great to see fMRIs done on athiests, fundamentalists, and moderately religious people? On Republicans and Democrats? On those who believe in global warming and those who don't. On Washington Redskins fans vs Dallas Cowboy fans? Just to throw in a little humor (-: I think neurobiology, etc. are perhaps the most fruitful lines of inquiry about human believing behavior because how else can the mind, which is the instrument of believing, get around its inherent tendency to believe especially when studying its own tendency to believe? How can any mind transcend its own believing behavior? How can any mind avoid its own prejudices about believing? I'd bet money that most scientists have beliefs about beliefs! And beliefs about believing will be present even in the formulation of research questions! It's a conundrum. But just maybe neuroscience is a way around this. Except for that pesky principle having to do with how an observer changes what is observed. Oy!  Anyway, back to your post to me: I tend to come from a psychology angle so right away I noticed that you said you are forced not only to live with, but communicate with people from all over the world. But you seem ok with it despite your use of the word * forced * so I won't press. Actually I cannot imagine what your view might be of the evidence proof of my alleged favorite healers. But I won't press either of these points either. The name Sam Harris sounds familiar. I think I've heard it here before. Here's what I will press because it's juicy for me: I think it's great for you that you socialize with lots of different people. And I think it's great for me that I don't. Why? Because I think there is room for both ways of being in this universe which seems to be all about diversity. But I'm guessing that, since you're doing it, and especially since you're mentioning it, that you think it is the better course of action. I would say yes, it is the better course of action. For you! So then you might reply that it's the better course of action for everyone. I would ask why. And you might say: because it's better for optimal human development. Ok, I agree with optimal human development. But I also recognize that that too is a belief. A belief that it's always better to go for optimal human development! See what I'm getting at? I wonder if an aboriginal chief in New Zealand would be at all concerned about something called optimal human development. I enjoy hearing about both the research you cite and the book you mention. What they seem to be getting at is that we can be unconsciously reinforced in our beliefs and we should, as you say, guard against that. Why? For the sake of optimal human development? What about our NZ chief? Here's why, coming from the perspective of having questioned many organizations, I think we should guard against unconscious adaptation of beliefs: because it can lead to the harming of life. I bet we agree on this. What we don't agree on is what is the best way to guard against the adaptation of unconscious beliefs that might limit the full development of life or worse, be harmful to life. I actually think that many if not most arguments on FFL are about this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!!
Ravi, if you want neurotic, all we have to do is revisit the description of your recent meeting. At least you were big enough to recount how you totally flubbed it. Next time, follow my advice better, and I think you can have a better result. Still lovin ya, though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...wrote: Blessed is Guru Xeno and blessed are all platitude puking Gurus - resolving life's puzzling, bewildering, baffling complexities through a set of banal, inane platitudes and beliefs. No need for any pain, burden, guilt at life's contradictions when one can easily numb them with the mere mention of one of Guru Xeno's platitude pukes. I and my dear Aunt Share are such big fans of Guru Xeno - oh we bow to you - The Maitreya, The Mayan Messiah of Morons !!! I and my dear neurotic Aunt Share ..that is - I don't want to offend her. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yep, Judy has only done twenty four thousand and ninety sessions of TM since 1980, compared to Barry's ZERO. And Barry thinks this is impressive, and argues that 24 thousand meditations is not even worth comparing to his *complete lack of experience*. If anyone wants to know about pure hubris, this is a textbook example. Same with Curtis. Both these yokels feel themselves so superior to the rest of us on here, that they don't even have to practice TM to state their opinions on it. Gawd, I am embarrassed for both of them. Anyway, Curtis, per your exhaustive points on beliefs, this is where belief gets you. Both nowhere, and out of touch with reality. Enjoy, but please don't either of you try to get taken seriously around here, again. Some of us caught on long ago. Bullshitters like you two are not welcome on FFL. Please find Vaj (remember him?) and the three of you go have a pity party - K? Based on what Alex has said, unless you violate a few simple rules, everyone is welcome on FFL. That includes bullshitters and those we might consider saints. You also have to be careful about spiritual pedigree as it is called. How many meditations you have had or not have had may be no indication of how advanced or retarded you are spiritually. People younger than me, who have meditated less than me have awakened when I was still struggling with various issues. You never know if your next meditation, or just a walk in a gas station convenience mart is going to be the moment things open up. You don't know if the guy sifting through trash at a dumpster might be just a day away from some great spiritual insight. No one here has a complete lack of experience, but we do have differences.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!!
No, no, n, Ravi. I just feel that the terms neruotic and idiot are misapplied, as you apply them to Share and myself. I think we have a much better example of it in the description of your meeting with a potential new friend friend earlier in the week. That was such a hoot, to see you revert to your usual Ravi Guru persona. (and with the usual result) Well, at least you've got Devi. Tried and true, ever loving, ever patient and understanding, Devi. What a gal! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh dear Steve are you mad that I forgot to include you? Yes I messed up - it should have been - I and my dysfunctional family - my most beloved, neurotic aunt Share and my most endearing, idiotic Uncle Steve - we all are big fans of Guru Xeno and his platitude pukes. There - happy now? On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:59 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: ** Ravi, if you want neurotic, all we have to do is revisit the description of your recent meeting. At least you were big enough to recount how you totally flubbed it. Next time, follow my advice better, and I think you can have a better result. Still lovin ya, though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...: Blessed is Guru Xeno and blessed are all platitude puking Gurus - resolving life's puzzling, bewildering, baffling complexities through a set of banal, inane platitudes and beliefs. No need for any pain, burden, guilt at life's contradictions when one can easily numb them with the mere mention of one of Guru Xeno's platitude pukes. I and my dear Aunt Share are such big fans of Guru Xeno - oh we bow to you - The Maitreya, The Mayan Messiah of Morons !!! I and my dear neurotic Aunt Share ..that is - I don't want to offend her. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yep, Judy has only done twenty four thousand and ninety sessions of TM since 1980, compared to Barry's ZERO. And Barry thinks this is impressive, and argues that 24 thousand meditations is not even worth comparing to his *complete lack of experience*. If anyone wants to know about pure hubris, this is a textbook example. Same with Curtis. Both these yokels feel themselves so superior to the rest of us on here, that they don't even have to practice TM to state their opinions on it. Gawd, I am embarrassed for both of them. Anyway, Curtis, per your exhaustive points on beliefs, this is where belief gets you. Both nowhere, and out of touch with reality. Enjoy, but please don't either of you try to get taken seriously around here, again. Some of us caught on long ago. Bullshitters like you two are not welcome on FFL. Please find Vaj (remember him?) and the three of you go have a pity party - K? Based on what Alex has said, unless you violate a few simple rules, everyone is welcome on FFL. That includes bullshitters and those we might consider saints. You also have to be careful about spiritual pedigree as it is called. How many meditations you have had or not have had may be no indication of how advanced or retarded you are spiritually. People younger than me, who have meditated less than me have awakened when I was still struggling with various issues. You never know if your next meditation, or just a walk in a gas station convenience mart is going to be the moment things open up. You don't know if the guy sifting through trash at a dumpster might be just a day away from some great spiritual insight. No one here has a complete lack of experience, but we do have differences.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Ravi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: smiley rainbow except not about your incredible pain. For that maybe not a frowny face because note the resulting strength of your tapas! Maybe a little smile for incredible pain. How's that? Now dear Raviji I'm 100% sure that Xeno does not aspire to guru hood. You OTOH may have your very first devotee in guess who? Right! The gull who laughs. Congratulations! Hey, making me smile on my last post for the week. (-: (-: !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
I guess it speaks to the power of Curtis that he can incite such hatred such that Nabby feels he must ramp up the insult level until he can get his desired response, and that Jim feels that Curtis should not be allowed to even post here, and that Curtis is so subtle in his deviousness that only a very trained eye can spot it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/09/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/16/13 00:00:00 724 messages as of (UTC) 03/15/13 23:45:32 52 curtisdeltablues CDBlues takes a cruise, while Michael Jack is welcome back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
No problem Jim. Speak your mind as you always do. You feel you speak with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem with that. In many ways I find it refreshing. I assume you were being facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who else, should be booted from the group. But you said it anyway. And for all I know you meant it. Who cares if you did. Perhaps in your view, those dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here. I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an objection to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply to that. I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a different category than Barry, for example, calling people cunts. Call me a hypocrite for that. But please don't ask me defend that opinion. That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where there is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position to deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you. But there are well delivered insults and then there are those with no creativity, just a mean spirited intent. And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are able to detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out of the range of detection of your average Joe. Wouldn't you just love, just love to put that claim to a panel of experts. Like it would make any difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Et tu, Steve? ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on my credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and improved studio equipment for Rick, not to mention paying for several yagyas at inflated Movement prices, to ensure that Curtis posted out last week, AND the bylaws of FFL Inc. will be modified, to my liking. Takes fire to fight fire!! No expense is too great to ensure that these forces of darkness do not contaminate FFL - I am seriously contemplating taking out a second mortgage, that the Good Fight escalate in earnest! Lobbying on the side of the angels!! Are you with me, or against me buddy?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I guess it speaks to the power of Curtis that he can incite such hatred such that Nabby feels he must ramp up the insult level until he can get his desired response, and that Jim feels that Curtis should not be allowed to even post here, and that Curtis is so subtle in his deviousness that only a very trained eye can spot it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/09/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/16/13 00:00:00 724 messages as of (UTC) 03/15/13 23:45:32 52 curtisdeltablues CDBlues takes a cruise, while Michael Jack is welcome back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
I think the place would be a lot less interesting without your perspective Jim. Perhaps I sound like a prude when I say that sharp elbows are always going to be thrown, and people shoved and even knocked down. But just don't hit below the belt. That is considered unsportsmanlike, and in most situations will get you thrown out of the game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I must admit a fondness for playing devil's advocate, to those playing devil's advocate. Who doesn't love popping balloons? As for who is allowed to post here, my intent is to express my perspective, more than shutting others down - except Ravi, recently, who pissed me off. I like getting past the stale crap, and the sacred cows, and move things along. I like a diversity of opinions here, and not just the tiresome rants against all things TM, that we hear so often. It smacks too much of railing against theism, imo, and has very little to do with seeing the world in a different way. 180 degree turns in perspective are nothing special, and lack any creativity. There is an incurious and one-trick-pony aspect to much of what passes for argument around here, with Barry and Curtis. Pick a straw man, beat him to death, and if anyone objects, they are somehow deficient. Has very little to do with the posted purpose of this forum. So when I can, I'll point out the obvious and hope that creates some space for other voices here. Is it altruism on my part? No way, just trying to keep things interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: No problem Jim. Speak your mind as you always do. You feel you speak with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem with that. In many ways I find it refreshing. I assume you were being facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who else, should be booted from the group. But you said it anyway. And for all I know you meant it. Who cares if you did. Perhaps in your view, those dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here. I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an objection to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply to that. I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a different category than Barry, for example, calling people cunts. Call me a hypocrite for that. But please don't ask me defend that opinion. That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where there is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position to deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you. But there are well delivered insults and then there are those with no creativity, just a mean spirited intent. And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are able to detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out of the range of detection of your average Joe. Wouldn't you just love, just love to put that claim to a panel of experts. Like it would make any difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Et tu, Steve? ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on my credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and improved studio equipment for Rick, not to mention paying for several yagyas at inflated Movement prices, to ensure that Curtis posted out last week, AND the bylaws of FFL Inc. will be modified, to my liking. Takes fire to fight fire!! No expense is too great to ensure that these forces of darkness do not contaminate FFL - I am seriously contemplating taking out a second mortgage, that the Good Fight escalate in earnest! Lobbying on the side of the angels!! Are you with me, or against me buddy?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I guess it speaks to the power of Curtis that he can incite such hatred such that Nabby feels he must ramp up the insult level until he can get his desired response, and that Jim feels that Curtis should not be allowed to even post here, and that Curtis is so subtle in his deviousness that only a very trained eye can spot it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 03/09/13 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 03/16/13 00:00:00 724 messages as of (UTC) 03/15/13 23:45:32 52 curtisdeltablues CDBlues takes a cruise, while Michael Jack is welcome back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Childhood Traumas addressed
Hey MJ, Nice post. It sounds like you had a pretty wonderful childhood. I feel the same about mine. For the record, I only recall my dad hitting me once with a belt, and I think he got in trouble for that from my mom. Although I do recall my mom washing my mouth out with soap once. You're not likely to forget that. But I'll make a pact with you, and maybe it will be just a one way pact, from me to you. If I discover the source of the many issues I feel I still have, I will share that with you. And maybe, you, if you find that, inspite of your wonderful childhood, you still have issues, you can share that with me. I'll start. My older sister did bully me some. Do you think that ever happens in a family? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: In several posts in the past, Share has said or implied that my attitude toward the Movement is due to some sort of unhealed childhood trauma. You are right Share. I was traumatized many times as a child. I was traumatized the time my red-neck daddy took me, my brother, my sister and our mother on vacation to a place called Sycamore Flats in Pisgah National Forest. It happened to be a day when a large group of black people, probably a family reunion, was there enjoying the river. We were the ONLY white faces in the place - the Old Man was so shocked to see all those black folks in bathing suits that he whipped our Ford Plymouth station wagon around and hauled ass so fast the whiplash traumatized me. I was traumatized that my mother would fix us sausage and eggs scrambled together for breakfast. I was traumatized when, on the rare occasions it snowed, Momma would turn the stove on when we came in with cold feet, open the oven door and let us sit with our feet on the door to warm our feet up quick, while Momma made snowcream from the fresh snow we brought in. It was extra trauma when Momma would make me put the fresh doughnuts she had just made into a brown paper bag with cinnamon and sugar in it and shake the doughnuts around till they were well covered and I was forced to eat all I wanted of the fresh, warm cinnamon and sugar doughnuts. I was traumatized when my dog would sleep with me at night and give me extra attention when I was sick. I was really traumatized when we would go visit my great grandmother in Marshville North Carolina and she would always have these amazing fried apple pies she made just for me, a whole platter full of them. It was supremely traumatic the Christmas I was sweating bullets over whether or not Santy Claws was going to bring me the Ft. Apache set I so desperately craved. The old geezer came through tho. Also traumatic was the little library in Laurens, SC where I spent hours at a time in my kid-hood - it had stone tables on one side right by a clear stream with minnows that my best friend and I would play in after spending an hour or two in the library. Also traumatic that I discovered the Lord of the Rings when I was twelve there. I was traumatized every Saturday to have to watch Shock Theater, a show that showcased old horror movies like (my favorite) Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman, on our old black and white tv on Channel 13. Extra trauma was experienced having to climb part way up the pear tree at the edge of our yard to get ripe pears. We (me and my brother) did have some fine trauma when the Old Man whipped our asses for digging a big hole in the back yard and filling it with water to make mud for a mud fight. It was shore nuff traumatic, when having committed various violations of home rules, we would be sent out in the summer to cut a switch with which the Old Man would whip our asses. This in the summer left visible welts on our legs (cause we always wore shorts) that the other kids in the neighborhood would mock us for. Lest you think this was ACTUALLY traumatic, EVERY kid in our neighborhood would show up with summer leg welts from being switched by their parents at some time or other, so the mocking was eventually equally distributed. This was standard discipline in the Deep South where we lived. These days if a kid showed up with welts on their legs, the cops would lock the parents up for child abuse. Trauma when we went to the kid's house next door that had a BIG yard where his Old Man had allowed him to build a go-kart track and we would ride the hell out of Jack's go-kart. Trauma when we went to Myrtle Beach for vacation in the summer and eat fried seafood like a fiend. Trauma when we went to the county fair in the autumn and eat corn dogs and greasy hamburgers and french fries made at the Lion's Club booth, one of the many fraternal organizations my Old Man belonged to. Best burgers and fries I ever had. Also quite traumatic was my mother wanting some peace and quiet would take me and my brother and later just me when he got a bit older and was more interested in hanging out with his hooligan friends, to the local theater to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Childhood Traumas addressed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey MJ, Nice post. It sounds like you had a pretty wonderful childhood. I feel the same about mine. For the record, I only recall my dad hitting me once with a belt, and I think he got in trouble for that from my mom. Although I do recall my mom washing my mouth out with soap once. You're not likely to forget that. But I'll make a pact with you, and maybe it will be just a one way pact, from me to you. If I discover the source of the many issues I feel I still have, I will share that with you. And maybe, you, if you find that, inspite of your wonderful childhood, you still have issues, you can share that with me. I'll start. My older sister did bully* me some. Do you think that ever happens in a family? * sorry about that. grade 5 power differential as defined by Applegate sliding scale spectrum of pre and post bullying syndrome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: In several posts in the past, Share has said or implied that my attitude toward the Movement is due to some sort of unhealed childhood trauma. You are right Share. I was traumatized many times as a child. I was traumatized the time my red-neck daddy took me, my brother, my sister and our mother on vacation to a place called Sycamore Flats in Pisgah National Forest. It happened to be a day when a large group of black people, probably a family reunion, was there enjoying the river. We were the ONLY white faces in the place - the Old Man was so shocked to see all those black folks in bathing suits that he whipped our Ford Plymouth station wagon around and hauled ass so fast the whiplash traumatized me. I was traumatized that my mother would fix us sausage and eggs scrambled together for breakfast. I was traumatized when, on the rare occasions it snowed, Momma would turn the stove on when we came in with cold feet, open the oven door and let us sit with our feet on the door to warm our feet up quick, while Momma made snowcream from the fresh snow we brought in. It was extra trauma when Momma would make me put the fresh doughnuts she had just made into a brown paper bag with cinnamon and sugar in it and shake the doughnuts around till they were well covered and I was forced to eat all I wanted of the fresh, warm cinnamon and sugar doughnuts. I was traumatized when my dog would sleep with me at night and give me extra attention when I was sick. I was really traumatized when we would go visit my great grandmother in Marshville North Carolina and she would always have these amazing fried apple pies she made just for me, a whole platter full of them. It was supremely traumatic the Christmas I was sweating bullets over whether or not Santy Claws was going to bring me the Ft. Apache set I so desperately craved. The old geezer came through tho. Also traumatic was the little library in Laurens, SC where I spent hours at a time in my kid-hood - it had stone tables on one side right by a clear stream with minnows that my best friend and I would play in after spending an hour or two in the library. Also traumatic that I discovered the Lord of the Rings when I was twelve there. I was traumatized every Saturday to have to watch Shock Theater, a show that showcased old horror movies like (my favorite) Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman, on our old black and white tv on Channel 13. Extra trauma was experienced having to climb part way up the pear tree at the edge of our yard to get ripe pears. We (me and my brother) did have some fine trauma when the Old Man whipped our asses for digging a big hole in the back yard and filling it with water to make mud for a mud fight. It was shore nuff traumatic, when having committed various violations of home rules, we would be sent out in the summer to cut a switch with which the Old Man would whip our asses. This in the summer left visible welts on our legs (cause we always wore shorts) that the other kids in the neighborhood would mock us for. Lest you think this was ACTUALLY traumatic, EVERY kid in our neighborhood would show up with summer leg welts from being switched by their parents at some time or other, so the mocking was eventually equally distributed. This was standard discipline in the Deep South where we lived. These days if a kid showed up with welts on their legs, the cops would lock the parents up for child abuse. Trauma when we went to the kid's house next door that had a BIG yard where his Old Man had allowed him to build a go-kart track and we would ride the hell out of Jack's go-kart. Trauma when we went to Myrtle Beach for vacation in the summer and eat fried seafood like a fiend. Trauma when we went to the county fair in the autumn and eat corn dogs and greasy hamburgers and french fries made at the Lion's Club booth, one of the many
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
Have you ever blown up a balloon, and instead of knotting it, you just let it go and watch careen around the room in every different direction. That's what this reminds me of. Here you''ve been sidelined for about a week, and now with your posting priviledges restored, you're just going just, just, wait, that's it, bat shit crazy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Buck, it is just Maharishi's legacy - I have always said here on FFL that when someone, anyone creates something the energy with which they create it finds its way to the furthest reaches of the creation. Maharishi created the Movement with deceit, and to further his own lusts for money, power and sex. His lieutenants and relatives learned from him by example and energetically. The current situation is an inevitable outcome of such a creation - expect more to come over the years. I notice that Nabby, Merlin and the good Doctor are not making any comments about one of their own following faithfully in Marshy's foot steps - how about it Nabby-Merlin-Doc? Whadda think of Marshy's nephew, given the fact that he has been doing TM-Sidhi programme for how many decades??? And is this being talked about 'round the Dome Buck? From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment  In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\ _molestation-husband-complaint
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma following in his uncle's footsteps?
you've got to wonder, where this is going to end. JR maybe. Could it be that M engineered that? Ewing Oil might have been an attractive target for M, and of course his relatives. What do you think Michael? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: No he wasn't - but Mark Landau told me about a year after he left the Movement, a friend of his who was close to those involved told him that Marshy had attempted to engineer a political assassination. He would not give me details tho he did say he knew who the target was and that he would not have put it past Marshy to do such a thing. He also said Marshy's whole family were kind of a low level Indian mafia clan - not real hard core, but some of them were slimy - he made that statement about one of Marshy's uncles in particular. The apples don't fall far from the tree - mark my words folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg - there is more to come about Marshy's relatives and the Movement leaders - its just like Shakespeare said in the Merchant of Venice, ...truth will come to light; murder cannot be hid long; a man's son may, but at the length truth will out. From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma following in his uncle's footsteps?  I don't think Maharishi was ever arrested for trying to kill someone. It will be interesting to see how this plays out... L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: But in a much more heavy-handed fashion: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-07/bhopal/37531182_1\ _mol estation-deputy-director-complaint http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1\ _mol estation-husband-complaint http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editions/bhopal/133235-secy-of-maharis\ hi-i nstitute-didnt-turn-up-for-hearing.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one
Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up the second week FFL was live. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein. My Description of the TM Movement The First Level of the Movement: It all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and kshatriya. Marshy was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered around for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did not have. Lying from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of spiritual freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to the people of the world. Marshy's wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. Marshy also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the afterhours was devoted to womankind. His association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. As time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy his sexual needs. Eventually, even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â enlightenment through TM, levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian astrology, removal of bad karma with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became increasingly bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly senile. Eventually he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Second Level of the TM Movement. Behind the scenes of Marshy have always been his three nephews, Anand and Ajay Srivastava, and Girish Chandra Varma. These boys, after Marshy, have reaped the majority of the financial rewards that Movement has taken in over the years. They keep Movement's begging wheels spinning eternally. The Third Level of the Movement: Marshy always had various lieutenants such as Charlie Lutes, Jerry Jarvis and others to do his bidding and carry out his orders. Some of them are dead, like Lutes and others like Jerry irritated Marshy and were relegated to positions of little importance or ejected from the Movement altogether. Others have stood the test of time, like Bevan Morris, Neil Patterson and of course, King Tony Nader. Of them all, Bevan has probably been with the Movement and was with Marshy the longest without being dismissed for not playing along with Marshy's demagoguery. Bevan was placed years ago in charge of one of the Movement's largest cash cows, Maharishi International University, renamed for some unknown reason as Maharishi University of Management which is a very apropos name as it mainly exists to manage the flow of funds from the United States to the TM Movement in Vlodrop, Holland and Marshy's India. People in the Movement like Bevan, Neil and Tony were the greatest enablers of Marshy and his enormities. They saw and either encouraged or condoned his lies. They knew that he was directing most of the money the Movement raised into his own hands and that of his family. Much worse in my opinion was each of his close lieutenants seeing and knowing Marshy washaving sex with women while claiming to be a life-long celibate monk and boldly telling both single and married women and men to be celibate, supposedly so their evolution would not suffer. In light of the fact that Marshy was having sex with the same women he was counseling, I believe he did it deliberately for two reasons â one reason was to maintain the illusion that he was a holy man, a celibate monk and the other reason was to make sure there was less competition for the women he targeted for relationships and also to make sure they would be good and horny when he came on to them. Michael, why didn't I think of that. Finally, someone who has finally connected all the dots. You have performed a service to mankind Michael. I hope this isn't the end of the expose!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Fourth Level of the Movement: There are many other TM teachers (now Governors of the Age of Enlightenment) who were not as close to Marshy but served on his staff. And yet more who functioned all over the world doing the bidding of Marshy and whoever was his closest lieutenant of the moment. These are the men and women who believe absolutely that Marshy was enlightened, was a saint and was focused on bringing the entire world into a mythical state of Vedic Oneness with All the Laws of Nature. These are the men and women who carried out the orders of Marshy and the Movement, ignoring or mentally justifying any experiences of behavior on the part of Marshy and his minions at the top of the Movement that were not in keeping with the high ideals the Movement always espoused. These are men and women who were themselves often mistreated by people with greater power in the Movement, but who continued to believe that Marshy's work was so important that they themselves should accept whatever unfair or cruel treatment they were enduring for the greater good of their own eventual enlightenment and the enlightenment of the world. Fifth Level of the Movement: Regular people who began as simple TM meditators and later became sidhas also helped to keep the various TM Movement facilities around the world running smoothly. Some of them with assets did so by giving large amounts of money to the Movement for the many projects that Marshy repeatedly claimed would bring important good things to the world. Most of the money was of course used for the pleasure of Marshy and his family, and to build monuments to Marshy and his ego. Other people with no money or little money gave of their own physical labor and expertise in staffing long term or for temporary time periods the various Movement facilities and on various Movement related projects. Most of the time, these people worked on a volunteer basis. This volunteer program allowed the Movement to save itself, over time, hundreds of millions of dollars by not paying people what they deserved for their labor, and enabled the Movement to create one of the most egregious abuses of its history. In the early days of the Movement, it may have paid some of the people who worked for it, but soon the volunteer staff program was created. The term volunteer was and is a contradiction in terms since if one wanted to work for the TM Movement, the only choice one had was to work as an unpaid volunteer. The staff in TM facilities did receive small stipends of perhaps fifty to three hundred dollars per month. The lack of paying regular wages and salaries, the lack of workman's comp insurance, the lack of benefits and retirement for any and all of the TM staff including the professors at their university enabled the Movement to save many millions of dollars, and would often result in people being cast aside with no compensation of any kind when the people were no longer physically, emotionally or financially able to serve the Movement. Far from being an organization that uplifted people and made their lives better, the TM Movement has been an organization that has used people up, putting them in difficult situations physically, financially and emotionally. One of the dirty secrets that is not so secret, yet one which the Movement has never been willing to acknowledge, is the fact that often people who do TM have mental and emotional problems from the practice. It is called unstressing. In many instances people who live and work in Movement facilities have begun to manifest unstable mental and emotional states from doing TM. In such cases the Movement asks them to leave. Being asked to leave is the extent of the care and affection the people who have built and maintained the Movement receive from the Movement when they are no longer able to actively serve the Movement. Many of these fifth level Movement people are also true believers who think that Marshy can do no wrong, and that regardless of the excesses or omissions of the Movement itself, they feel that the overall goal of world enlightenment is worth what the Movement does to gain such a goal no matter what the cost to the true believers. The Sixth Level of the Movement: There are a number of sidhas, governors and non-governor TM teachers who do not work for the Movement, but believe TM is a good thing. These are the people who have some degree of independence from the Movement, yet support the Movement in all it does. These are the independent TM'ers who actually believe anything and everything the TMO brings down the pike. Shall we call this, Michael's Collected Papers. A good name I think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part 4
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Seventh Level of the Movement: These are the people who have a greater degree of mental independence from the Movement than the Bliss Ninnys, yet they support the overall (deceitful) intent of the Movement which is no longer personal enlightenment, no longer global enlightenment but rather world peace through the so-called yogic flying program. These are the real enablers of the Movement because I believe they outnumber the TM True Believers who have no ability to discern truth from lies. The more independent TM'ers are able to discern truth, but they give the Movement a free pass, either ignoring Movement lies and various enormities or, if confronted with overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, find excuses for the Movement behavior or just blatantly saying I don't care. I like TM and I think the Movement does more good than bad, and I think the good the Movement does outweighs and justifies its excesses and lies. Which is the same excuse they used to justify their lack of holding Marshy accountable for his enormities. When asked what good the Movement does, the response is usually the idea that one day world peace will result from Movement activities or that it is good for people to be introduced to the idea of freedom from attachment to the fruits of activity through meditation. These ridiculous notions ignore the fact that in nearly 60 years of TM practice and 38 years of TM Sidhi practice, the world is in much worse condition today than it was when the practices began. The excuses also ignore the fact that there are many people whose practice of TM had detrimental effects on their physical, mental, emotional and financial health. The Global Country of World Peace Marshy created the global country of world peace where the ministers administer this non-existent country from the level of awareness. Mostly what they administer is PR about how grand TM and its ancillary programs how, how you can donate money to the TM Movement and how that will one day create world peace. Enlightenment, once the corner stone of Marshy's pitch to the world, is rarely if ever mentioned. One wonders how, if we no longer are going to get enlightened, the practice of TM and its subsidiary programs will create world peace. You would think that after all the talk of enlightened leadership Marshy's Movement has done, one would need enlightened leaders to create and administrate world peace. Instead we rely on groups of people who have numerous personal problems themselves to create world peace with their consciousness by flying together, although no one actually flies and if personal stories are to be believed, many perform other techniques in the groups, sleep or just look around when others are bouncing around. While I am all in favor of world peace, I don't believe it will be created by an organization that has nothing more to offer than self-aggrandizement and the opportunity to donate money for endless projects that never materialize. And that's the TM Movement. And the thing was done Okay everyone, let's give a round of applause for MICHAEL JACKSON!. Backstage: Interviewer: Michael Jackson, you've got your seven levels here. What was the inspiration for that? MJ: Well, I felt I needed to put together in one place, all the points I've been working on for the last few months. I: I noticed Michael, that much of your original time on the site was spent sparring with Rich W illiams. Do you feel that set you back some, in your projects. MJ: No, I just needed to sort through some of personalities here, to see where the alliances lay. I: Mike, if I may be so informal, let talk about Mark. Jeepers, and forgive me, I don't mean to be crude, but did you just simply wet your pants halfway throught that conversation? Was it as life changing as it appears to have been? MJ: Mark has been almost a father figure to me. Here, in this one person, it all came together. Excuse me. Do you have a tissue? I: You do know that Mark is the keeper of a high TMO relic, a pair of Maharishi's sandals? MJ: I've heard about that. It's a subject for a future discussion. I: Thank you Mike for your time. MJ: Sure. I want to give a shout out to everyone in NC. You know I love you fellow Tar Heels. HUA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 16-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
I think the butt is fine. It's the balls I was referring to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: No can do, Steve. I already stated my preference for giving someone a good (mental) kick in the butt, when appropriate. Sorry, wish you had told me sooner. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I think the place would be a lot less interesting without your perspective Jim. Perhaps I sound like a prude when I say that sharp elbows are always going to be thrown, and people shoved and even knocked down. But just don't hit below the belt. That is considered unsportsmanlike, and in most situations will get you thrown out of the game. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I must admit a fondness for playing devil's advocate, to those playing devil's advocate. Who doesn't love popping balloons? As for who is allowed to post here, my intent is to express my perspective, more than shutting others down - except Ravi, recently, who pissed me off. I like getting past the stale crap, and the sacred cows, and move things along. I like a diversity of opinions here, and not just the tiresome rants against all things TM, that we hear so often. It smacks too much of railing against theism, imo, and has very little to do with seeing the world in a different way. 180 degree turns in perspective are nothing special, and lack any creativity. There is an incurious and one-trick-pony aspect to much of what passes for argument around here, with Barry and Curtis. Pick a straw man, beat him to death, and if anyone objects, they are somehow deficient. Has very little to do with the posted purpose of this forum. So when I can, I'll point out the obvious and hope that creates some space for other voices here. Is it altruism on my part? No way, just trying to keep things interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: No problem Jim. Speak your mind as you always do. You feel you speak with authority of an awakened person, and I don't have a problem with that. In many ways I find it refreshing. I assume you were being facitious in suggesting that Curtis and Barry, and who knows who else, should be booted from the group. But you said it anyway. And for all I know you meant it. Who cares if you did. Perhaps in your view, those dissenting opinions are just too dangerous for others here. I'd be tempted to say, that you'd think others might voice an objection to nablusoss comments, but I know well what to expect in reply to that. I think his comments are pretty lame, and I put them in a different category than Barry, for example, calling people cunts. Call me a hypocrite for that. But please don't ask me defend that opinion. That is reserved for those rare discussions here, where there is a genuine back and forth, instead of jockeying for position to deliver the next insult. Nothing against insults mind you. But there are well delivered insults and then there are those with no creativity, just a mean spirited intent. And yes, it is sort of funny to hear Judy declare such powers of discrimination for herself, (and Robin of course), that they are able to detect a certain deviousness that Curtis puts out, that is out of the range of detection of your average Joe. Wouldn't you just love, just love to put that claim to a panel of experts. Like it would make any difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Et tu, Steve? ...Cat's out of the bag - I have run up a pretty sizable tab on my credit card, purchasing large tins of fine caviar for Alex, and improved studio equipment for Rick, not to mention paying for several yagyas at inflated Movement prices, to ensure that Curtis posted out last week, AND the bylaws of FFL Inc. will be modified, to my liking. Takes fire to fight fire!! No expense is too great to ensure that these forces of darkness do not contaminate FFL - I am seriously contemplating taking out a second mortgage, that the Good Fight escalate in earnest! Lobbying on the side of the angels!! Are you with me, or against me buddy?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I guess it speaks to the power of Curtis that he can incite such hatred such that Nabby feels he must ramp up the insult level until he can get his desired response, and that Jim feels that Curtis should not be allowed to even post here, and that Curtis is so subtle in his deviousness that only a very trained eye can spot it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex
[FairfieldLife] Re: The New Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I was being facetious of course - in my world view the TMO has had its day - also inmy opinion, the states of awareness that we experience have nothing to do with TM or in fact ANY meditation technique, we are led to believe it and I did for a long long time, but I think that all of the CC, GC, Unity stuff, celestial perception, seeing devas and all the rest are experiences that exist within each of us because it is all within Pure Awareness which is our essential nature - we merely need to get quiet within and feel and observe to begin these experiences. Right. I think you've told us this repeatedly. But I'm sure you feel it bears mentioning again. I know a lot of FFL disagrees, and many of us had TM as that which first began our going within People like Eckhart Tolle who never meditated a day in his life before he woke up are living proof that you don't need a movement to get you somewhere, but most people have so little confidence in themselves that they think they need a leader or a teacher. yea teachers, bah! We don't need no stickin teachers! My belief is that Marshy knew that we had all the experiences that one could call alternative states within us and capitalized on the fact by claiming TM was the best way to experience it. The TMO has too much baggage of its own and Marshy's to be of any further value to the world. good, that you for settling this question, that I know was on the minds of many. Can this be an addendum to the Collected Papers? An epilogue, or something? From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The New Movement  No thoughts, no mantra doesn't exclude the TMO. Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the space. Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles, flowers, incense and anything else we might like to add. Michael From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700 no thoughts no mantra no TMO From: sound of stillness Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael From : Buck This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one
remind me to read this when I'm trying to drift off to sleep --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hopintopin annwkingsley@... wrote: TM is actually only half of the Contemplation Technique. The Contemplation Technique requires picturing your deity in your mind while repeating a mantra. Picturing your deity - focus - eliminates the spaciness associated with TM. While the Contemplation Technique is not quite so charming, it is better for effectiveness in activity. The Contemplation Technique is a known 30-40 year path. So then the question is: How long is the path for only half of the Contemplation Technique - for TM? The path seems to be a least 30-40 years or longer. The other question is: Without the other half of the Contemplation Technique, does one end up in the same place that one would end, without picturing his deity in his mind? If he becomes enlightened, with what does he have an affinity? In addition to being only half of the Contemplation Technique, unless one follows some other religious instruction to keep himself oriented in a righteous direction, it seems that one could become, to quote the characters from a popular movie, either Saruman or Gandalf? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up the second week FFL was live. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein. My Description of the TM Movement The First Level of the Movement: It all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and kshatriya. Marshy was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered around for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did not have. Lying from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of spiritual freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to the people of the world. Marshy's wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. Marshy also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the afterhours was devoted to womankind. His association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. As time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy his sexual needs. Eventually, even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â enlightenment through TM, levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian astrology, removal of bad karma with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became increasingly bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly senile. Eventually he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Laughing x
From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR? All I can say is that I needed that (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: snip Several hours have passed and seeker Xeno appears to be in deep samadhi with his head dropped against his chest, and there is no sign of seekers Share and Steve. The back of the rickety camper shell on the saffron-colored beat up Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck has been opened, and LJB can be seen putting the final touches on various and sundry items displayed temptingly yet tastefully on the tailgate. the soft moss by the side of the river can do that to you. and the bushes were lilac by the way. very intoxicating!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Running through walls to Michael J
well, at least we can be thankful that we don't have have 50 or 52 anti TM posts in a period of 168 hours. Wait a second!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you recently say that you still do TM sometimes? And btw, I'm glad you had such a good childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of happy and unhappy stuff. OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?! And most of it anti TM?! I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's more going on for you than simply sharing your opinions.  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]  that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and organization. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]  Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't give quitters a lot of credence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the journey. TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way to claim to have won any argument about TM: You only did it for 20 years! What do you know! Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty years of running through walls --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid me. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders àThe only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the practice keeps you moving. TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, decades ago. So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from my point of view, falling prey to one of the most chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique -- as if it were not only true, but cosmically true, Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth of the assumptions was a given. Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the mindset created continues way after a person actually leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your belief system will be influenced still decades after you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. And if you are interested in challenging their supposed truth or
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM
Now you've done it pileated56. The cause of this coginitive dissonance it going to be on your shoulders. Not mine, not Share's, not Jim, or Judy's or Ann's or Ravi's but on yours and yours alone. Mike, listen, there must be some mistake here. Pileated56 must have thought you meant Gita Study, or Yoga Vashista Study or something. We can get through this Michael. Let 's work a different angle. How bout Magick studies. Give that a try. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pileated56 trunkp@... wrote: I went to MIU from 76-80 and the administration had no problems with anyone practicing their faith on campus. We had mass at the church on campus. Jewish services on campus on Friday nights etc...I cannot imagine anyone having a Bible study group would be a problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Let me clarify since perhaps I did not give full information - he was posing the question as a hypothetical as he is has no intention of going to MUM - he was curious as to how the MUM administration would feel about having such a group on campus since it is MUM, how would they deal with a student who does TMSP and wants to pursue their Christian faith as well. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Â I'm curious about this guy's emotional development, and intent, too. He sounds like he is in his 50's or 60's, and wants to start a student bible group, with students typically in their 20's. More than a bit creepy. Why doesn't he try the same thing at his local Senior Center, instead? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Well yesterday I saw a poster in the coat room of the women's Dome announcing a series of lectures being offered on MUM campus.ÃÂ The series isÃÂ about Mary the mother of Jesus and her role in history.ÃÂ So Bible study in the sense of the New Testament. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@ To: FairfieldLife@@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM ÃÂ A friend who was raised Catholic, became Protestant and has done TM for over 40 years now posed this question - if he were to enroll at MUM and begin a student Bible study group on campus, how would the administration react? Both TM and his Christian faith are very important to him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Quite a few Irish horsemen believe in giving their horses a Guinness a day. They believe it puts an excellent shine on the coat. Do you think it could also have the effect of putting some starch in the mount?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy St. Patrick's Day!
Rightly, or wrongly, (I haven't researched it), I picked up along the way that St. Patrick, driving out all the snakes of Ireland referred to an ethnic cleansing of sorts of the celts, or those who had pagan traditions.. And of course I'm sure it would have involved torture and killing and the like. For that reason, I never could really quite get into the holiday. Exception made for the bag pipers! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/17/2013 02:17 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I even found green food coloring for my beer! Erin go Bragh Éirinn go Brách Ireland Forever Yes, the restaurant that I visited for lunch today was celebrating St. Patrick's Day. But no, it was a Mexican restaurant at the Mission District in SF. FWIW, I had a machaca dish with horchata for my drink. So, there you have it. This is my niece's birthday. So I sent her a green card, literally it was printed on green cardstock. She's lives in Arizona so it was a bit of an inside joke.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: A few minutes later, Xeno's eyelids flutter, and his eyes begin to open, downcast. He is still deep within. LJB, sensing his pending mercantile triumph, makes a few nervous adjustments to his display, and stands back. Xeno, having emerged from a deeply golden and glorious place, now looks upon the raft of LJB's Divine treasures, arranged like baby's candy on the tailgate. As he awakes to the world around him, Xeno's eyes first settle on a necklace of mystical beads, among the tantalizing offerings. Each bead perfectly formed, the exact shape and color of the previous one. A flush of Bliss runs up Xeno's spine, a sign that he must have the strand. He points a dignified finger and silently inquires, How much? LJB can barely contain himself. Right off, Xeno has gone for the cash cow! Plastic rudraksha beads, bought in bulk off the web, from a joint in Delhi, for 15 rupees a pop (about 29 cents, US), and sold to the seekers for 20 bucks each! Jai Guru Dev! [...to be continued...maybe] Okay, I've had it! If your going write Steve and Share out of the script, I want it to be dramatic. Unbeknowst to all the parties assembled at this auspicious spot, a violent storm had moved in some forty miles North, resulting in a sudden and unpredictable rise of river. The two individuals covorting there were caught totally unawares until a wall of water came crashing down and took the two, uh, friends, yes friends, head over heals down to a watery end. Now feel free to amend this. Maybe the two, uh, friends, yes friends, don't die off. But come up with something!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
One of your best Ann. You hit the mark on this. At least with the commentary! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Here is a building disguised as a space ship or perhaps it is a large, perfectly formed breast. Maybe in hard times it will house soybeans or corn. I am not sure if the surrounding fence is to keep people in or people out. This building is not sure if it wants to represent some sort of Colonial facade or a pagoda. What the hell, it can be both! A tree-lined drive leading to the Fairfield Correctional Facility - no wait! This is the Ayurvedic Center. Are we in Greece? Are we in India? Did three architects combine plans for this one? And the white picket fence just takes me back to small town America. No wait! I think we're in Vegas, where you can look out from on top of the Eiffel Tower across the street to Bellagio Italy and see the Chrysler Building kitty corner to that! Now if this doesn't get your aesthetic sensibilities salivating I don't know what will. I mean, these could double as Hampton Inns. The only thing missing is the No Vacancy sign and the semis in the parking lot. I had a good time, I hope you all did too!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
I think I saw something similiar to this this in How the World Turns --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: We appreciate His Holiness's glee at His humble seekers' efforts to amuse. A further scene awaits: Much to Share and Steve's chagrin, Xeno attempts to buy at any price, LJB's much dog-eared and stained copy of the Kama Sutra, until Xeno's keen eye spots several of his favorite pages missing...In the awkward pause that follows, Share and Steve are relieved, Xeno is frustrated, his silence quickly evaporating, and LJB, feeling the fresh twenty in his pocket, is hoping for more cash. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: OMG you guys are cracking me up :-), thank you LG - I didn't know you had such talents, pure Bhakti rasa I say. I'm too distracted having been targeted by Kamadeva's arrow. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:50 PM, doctordumbass@ no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: See Steve, you are a nice guy and you can laugh easily. I am sure I have pissed off a number of people here but it was all in good fun (for me, at least). I have a feeling Feste may be having apoplexy right now. I'll bet you coaxed a giggle out of him (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: What has Replaced It
I'd like to thank Alex for being the moderator of this Sunday's edition of Face the Situation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: When they built the domes, they didn't waterproof the foundations, and when the heavy rains hit in the summer of 1993, the basement of the mens dome filled with mold to the extent that my breathing would halt as soon as I stepped in the door. So, I'd take a big breath, walk in, take off my shoes, and get upstairs as quickly as possible. The air upstairs in the dome wasn't as bad as the basement, but I'd get a headache from being in there. The only reason I was even in the dome is because Petra wanted me to go, and that summer was my breaking point. Thus ended my toil with the TMSP. As for the chapel, when I went to MIU, that was where meditators had to meditate. It was cold, drafty, and moldy, and the wooden pews were very uncomfortable. I have no fond memories of that place, and I was perfectly content with it being torn down. I'm not fond of the masculine, angular architecture of most MSV buildings in FF, but if they're solidly built, well insulated, with good HVAC and no mold, I'd take that, regardless of aesthetics, over some nasty, poorly built or old and dilapidated, mold-filled piece of crap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Keep talking Michael. You're making a strong case, but not the one you think. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenvil\ le-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
[FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues.
Nabs, You just can't give an inch can you? Your hatred must run so deep that, for example, you can find so much to admire about David Lynch's art, and so much to despise about Curtis' On the other hand Nabs, you didn't have much credibility to lose, so I guess it evens out. Really, I don't love you like a brother. At least not right now. Sorry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, I would like to say a couple of things here. I do not think that others should criticize the art of another because of something they do not like about the artist unrelated to his art. This is getting really, really boring, what art are you reffering to ? I think the mere fact of making art, and music is definitely in this category, is something that, among other things, can bring out the vulnerability of someone. I believe that if one is willing to stand up in front of a group of one or one thousand then that person has opened themselves up to those people in the very act of making their art/music. What you are saying is that anyone who enters a podium is an artist. Have you even considered what you are saying or are you just saying something because you are bored ? I feel that it is a very poorly-aimed punch to go after Curtis, or anyone, by targeting what they do as their passion, as their creative thrust and as their gift to the outside world. Some might want to avoid that sort of gifts of noise that attacs you when peacefully walking down a street in say, New Orleans.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: I'm out of this discussion. Amen
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
And you're the other side of the story okaaay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Only an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenvil\ le-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens. I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power. Those in the TMO are not immune to that. But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights. But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars àOnly an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenvil\ le-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Commenting as I go along --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective.Well, that makes two of us.It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys.Of course. That would be the opinion of just about anybody who didn't have an agenda they wanted to push. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic.Right. I kept waiting to find this smoking gun, but it wasn't there. But, of course that matters not to Michael. He has shown he is able to skew most any statement or behavior in or about the TMO, to suit his ends. The fact that he looks foolish doing so, (at least most of the time), seems to make little difference. And yes, that does point to some other underlying issues, a nice childhood, notwithstanding.  I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.Well, I think Michael is the poster child for that now. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be.Mike's strategy on TMO is heads I win, tails you lose, when presenting his opinions on the subject. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:Making me smile here Share. I can always use a smile. (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25.  And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances.  Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about?  Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case.  And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys.  I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman.  That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally.  Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point.  I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in.  If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens.  I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power.  Those in the TMO are not immune to that.  But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights.  But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars àYou are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steube\ nville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:    From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25.  And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances.  Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about?  Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. Yes I see that has been mentioned here. There must be something wrong with my brain though, 'cos this idea seems to me to be off-the-wall bonkers beyond belief. Do you *really* believe this? Really? Really, I have no idea. Nor do I really care. I brought it up because it was recently mentioned, and it's probably true. And as I said, the part of the brain that isn't fully developed has to do with appreciating the full consequences of our actions. I don't believe I said anything about writing scientific papers. So, before you go all Michael Jackson on me, and try to make a connection that doesn't make any sense, why don't you read what I wrote. I think that would require only junior high comprehension. (-: Einstein published his first paper at the age of 22. It was on Conclusions from the Capillarity Phenomena - But his brain had not yet reached the stage where it evaluates the future consequences of our actions? Then again perhaps it was 23 year old war hero Frank Edward Young (VC)'s brain that was at fault: On 18 September 1918 south-east of Havrincourt, France, during an enemy counter-attack and throughout intense enemy fire, Second Lieutenant Young visited all posts, warned the garrisons and encouraged the men. In the early stages of the attack he rescued two of his men who had been captured and bombed and silenced an enemy machine-gun. Then he fought his way back to the main barricade and drove out a party of the enemy assembling there. Throughout four hours of heavy fighting this officer set a fine example and was last seen fighting hand-to-hand against a considerable number of the enemy
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsâ⬠the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steube\ nville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars à Thank you for this balanced view, Steve.à It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it.à Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story?à I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective.à It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: snip Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. Don't think I said that dude.Your giving is well documented.But you have chosen insults to be your main form of your interaction here. I admit, you are good at it. And if that's where you want to hang your hat, they you can be proud of your achievements. And really, I don't know how you stand down from that, and,-you know, relate man to man, or man to woman. You're a specialist. A hired insulter from the Bengal State. (don't know if it's true, but it sounded good) You're Django, (and the D is silent) Wait, she got the girl in the end. Maybe your story will have a happy ending too. Lord knows it's had plenty of fireworks! (where is that rascal anyway - LK?) On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right that's acceptable dear Steve, your concerns well articulated and thank you for wishing a happy ending - whatever that means. That 16 years of working in offices, cubicles, 4 years of single life and a belief system I am eager to peddle is causing me to insult you here on FFL is a fiction of yours. You're moving closer to a first step, and that's a good thing. We can do this. Keepa coming. On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:54 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: snip Very funny but try again. How does a giver become poor - doesn't add up dude. Don't think I said that dude.Your giving is well documented.But you have chosen insults to be your main form of your interaction here. I admit, you are good at it. And if that's where you want to hang your hat, they you can be proud of your achievements. And really, I don't know how you stand down from that, and,-you know, relate man to man, or man to woman. You're a specialist. A hired insulter from the Bengal State. (don't know if it's true, but it sounded good) You're Django, (and the D is silent) Wait, she got the girl in the end. Maybe your story will have a happy ending too. Lord knows it's had plenty of fireworks! (where is that rascal anyway - LK?) On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ah, comes now the great insulter, plying the skill he hones on those long walks with Devi. But always, I come to the same question. I mean, with your great intellect, here you are, day after day, stuck on a cubicle farm, thinking about how lonely you are and how you might be able to score a date. Of course, I was rooting for you on this last go around. But I knew it was a lost cause, when after ten minutes you started in with the Ravi Guru routine and told her how she wasting her time on meditation. Did you notice how things changed at that point? I didn't think so, you were so busy talking. Talk, talk. Talk, talk, talk. Nithyananda this, Nithydananday that, Satnam Sing this, Satnam Sing that. Did you notice her eyes gloss over? Did you notice her foot tapping nervously, and her frozen smile, broken only by an forced laugh at your awkward attempt at humor? Oops, suddenly she got that text message and had to leave. Hang in there Rav. Until you get a life, you can keep working the insult angle. You need something to keep busy. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yes you are amazing Steve - one of a kind. A dramatic breakthrough because of you - it's too overwhelming, I may have to be silent for the whole week to understand all the implications of this painful lesson. Ravi, I want to get serious here. An important tenant of the TM Program, is to not strain during meditation. And an advanced tenant of the program is to not strain in activity either. So, when I hear you talk about being silent for a whole week, I feel I must intervene. This would not be a good idea for you. But, if you decide to take such an action, let's note these exceptions. Singing Bhajans, or recent Bollywood Soundtracks in the car: Allowed Talking to fellow employees or programmers during smoke break: Allowed Talking on the phone for purposes of setting up a date: Allowed Any conversation with Devi, either in your head, or out loud: Allowed Talking to your Granny, or any other family member in India: Allowed So, within these guidelines, I feel I can support your proposal to remain silent for a week. Let me know if I can offer any additional advice in this regard. Your friend always, Steve
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.00
I'll take a story like this any time, Ann. Very nice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Funny you should ask. For a start, I am sitting here in my beautiful house that my husband and I built, it is blowing and raining outside, I hear the wind in the chimney, the slash of water against the windows and I sense the presence of the man I love most in the world sitting behind me. On the couch next to him is my beloved dog Jesse who survived life-threatening paralysis thanks to a successful $13,000 back surgery. That is how precious she is to me. She follows me everywhere, looks for any opportunity to do something for me, brings me my horse brushes, carries my gloves, picks up a pen I have dropped. She radiates devotion and real dog love in my direction every waking moment. She sleeps under my side of the bed to stay as close to me as possible. I have just finished a dinner that my husband cooked for me consisting of fresh asparagus, new potatoes and organic farm raised lamb we buy from a good friend of ours down the road, who was a member of the Canadian Equestrian team and who now, at the age of 70, has retired her fabulous imported German dressage horse in order to raise sheep because she loves living on the land and having animals to feed and to nurture although she eventually has them slaughtered for their meat. I have put to bed six wonderful horses who rely on me to feed and house and keep them safe and secure. They are in their stalls now munching on green hay with clean pine shavings to lie on and I have secured the barn doors against the wind we are forecast to have tonight. I feel good about the fact that I can provide an environment of safety and routine for them. And I look forward to smelling their clean scent of horsiness in the morning as I walk into the barn at 7am precisely to start a new round of feeding, cleaning and exercising them. I run a business that I love. I take a few moments at the end of each day to assess how I did on this day and think ahead to tomorrow to determine how I can do it better. I love the women I employ and I enjoy the challenges dealing with the public and figuring out how to serve their needs the best I can. So, while I am not in Paris in some chic cafe watching the clientele savour their wine and I do not have the privilege of walking the scenic Parisian streets to return to my French apartment I am sitting here looking forward to tomorrow, hearing the wind and the rain, feeling my dog and my husband, still tasting the lamb, knowing the horses are settled and happy and that I live in one of the most beautiful islands on the planet. Would I like to be in Paris? Sure. Is there still life worth living elsewhere? I already answered that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh well hello there Salivating puppy, His Holiness and King Baby, MJ processing is well and good. But he is accusing TM of masterminding Steubenville rape and Penis snatching incidents in Africa, LOL..does that sound rational to you guys? I wonder if there could ever be a cunt snatcher. But maybe that wouldn't make any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Oh, I left out the cheese. Cheese Ravioli and marinara sauce and Parmesan cheese sprinkled on top. The pun came from what I am eating for dinner and it is completely a coincidence Ravi's name begins sounding like Ravioli! True story, bro. :) Too bad the only place to get toasted' ravioli is here in the midwest. Maybe only St. Louis. Been eating it since I was a kid. Only no cheese this ravioli. Veal and beef mostly, but marinara, yes, and parmesan, yes. Very tasty!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A New Lord of the Rings Film Saga
I say a second chance. Only because this post was s mediocre. I mean if it had a morsel of creativity, then it may have been worth it. But a yawner like this. naw. I mean look at the high expectations he had for his grand four parter. What a yawner that was. And he was so excited about. Fair Warning Y'all. I am about to release the MJ Astra. I cannot be responsible for how you may all be affected, so ya'll be forewarned! Yawn. But I do have a soft spot for the guy. Rick! Oh Rick! Can you hear me Rick? Can you break away from another thrilling installment of I am a Yogi, and cut this guy a break? I don't know what will happen if he has to survive another week with no outlet for his anti TM rants. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: He emailed me and said he accidentally clicked Send instead of Save Draft. When it comes to posting limits, I am strictly Post Count as rule of law. Anyone who feels he/she should be excused for overposting needs to take it up with Rick, as he makes those kinds of decisions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ha ha, I am cracking up. I was thinking, how long before MJ can't resist any more and make that 51st post. On Mar 21, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, that makes 51 posts for the week. See ya back here on the 29th. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Michael Jackson Productions announces a stunning new version of the mighty Lord of the Rings saga...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Majorca Spain
Okay, Curtis gloating about going to Majorca? Alright, I trying to run that from every possible angle, and I'm coming up empty. Curtis going to Majorca. Ann going to London. Jim going on a cruise. Ravi going to India. Emily going on a camping trip. Share going to DC. Steve going to Colo. We call that, sharing. Okay, I do disagree with Curtis' assertion that we are all strangers here, if that's what he means. I guess when people completely conceal their identities, then they do seem as strangers to me. But for most everyone else, no I don't feel they are strangers. I feel I know enough and have enough shared experiences, (often), that I feel something closer than strangers But gloating?. That caught me by surprise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I interpreted it as Curtis letting us/FFL know his potential travel plans, perhaps indirectly, in that he informed the group through a question to Barry, but no matter - he didn't add a specific prompt in the subject line to push that agenda. Â I enjoy hearing how other people's lives are unfolding and having never been to Majorca, I want to hear details, details man, details. Â Pictures, food descriptions, travel log or blog, or whatever, if he decided to go. Â How many times does Share pose specific questions and responses to specific people on this public forum? Â Cracks me up every time - as if she doesn't want to hear feedback from whoever - as if she's worried that if she doesn't tailor the subject line, she won't be heard by who she wants to be heard by. Â And perhaps she won't - oh well. Â Those that follow this forum and the conversations don't seem to need personal prompts, at least in the past that was the case. Â Perhaps she should be emailing people privately? Everybody has their own style. I wasn't suggesting Curtis should have emailed Barry privately; I was just amused that he would announce his good fortune to the group by formulating it as a question specifically to Barry. Nothing wrong with him gloating about it either, for that matter, although he seems to have been insulted by the suggestion that this is what he was doing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Majorca Spain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFinpTX6-s The end of my set opening the scientific festival. Somebody lost some wght! Somebody lost some weeeiiightt! Right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Majorca Spain
nuances. these are all nuances Ravi. They make sense to some, and not to others. If you are able to step outside of yourself to some extent, you are able to catch the nuances. If not, then everything make appear to be a self directed sort of thing. we can talk more about it if you want. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Well I had the same questions - why didn't Curtis privately email Barry since his post seemed to be of such a private nature, it seems so natural. But of course I was too scared of Barry's response to really say anything :-) All Curtis had to say was - yeah I can see how it could be interpreted like that instead of going postal with his same old routine of toxic energy directed at strangers on Internet forums. I don't get the toxic energy part nor the stranger part. Curtis - stranger? Strange behavior yes but not a stranger. On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:46 AM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: (snip) My post could have inspired more along the lines of Ann's response, but to get that I had to wade through the three usual suspects trying to use this as an opportunity for a put-down of me personally and some name calling. It makes the place highly unpleasant. I think we have pissed away a chance at a place where real thinking collaboration can occur. Trolls try to dominate with their agenda. You know, Curtis, I don't believe I've ever seen you scold Barry for being a troll (or pushing buttons, as he prefers to call it). Oh, wait, never mind. He never trolls *you*, just the folks who don't like you (or him). Of course you wouldn't scold him. Judy accuses me of gloating over good fortune and being immodest, and criticizes me for not inviting everyone else to comment?! Nothing wrong with gloating over good fortune, as far as I'm concerned (as I just got done telling Emily). And I didn't accuse you of being immodest, nor did I criticize you for not inviting everyone else to comment. But I sure do seem to have pushed your buttons. Why don't you just follow Barry's advice and IGNORE MY DEMENTED ASS? You know, the way he does? Oh, wait... All I said to start with was that I would think you'd have Barry's email address. If you hadn't responded--defensively and at length--I bet nobody but you would have discerned my evil motivations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Michael Jackson Productions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: PS I totally understand if you can't get back to me right away. Slippery fingers perhaps running in your family wink wink. Too much coffee can do that too (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
I am guessing that this is carry over from the Mens movement thing from some time ago. Was it Sterling, or something? I guess I could look it up. But I remember someone from Fairfield, put one of my good friends from here in St. Louis to recruit me, or invite me to participate or something. It was awkward for him, and it was awkward for me. But the Fairfield guy employed all the high pressure tactics you use to sell something. My friend and I were at my house and the FF guy was doing his thing on the phone. But then, as now, I didn't care to get recruited to a new group. And truthfully, I still have resentment for that guy for his blatant manipulation. He just wouldn't take no for an answer. Who knows, maybe I could have benefited from it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Was a good lecture. Extremely well spoken story of his [LB's] lifetime with FF and TM and his really nice resolution. Looked at as a FF communitarian it was proly unfortunate that it was heard by only a small subset of the larger community. Nothing was said that could not have been heard by and been helpful to a lot more people. I probably would have enjoyed it, and I hope it was recorded. But, with my life so completely focused on Vedic purity, I was in bed by 9pm and unable to attend. Yeah, funny thing is that it was proactive women in the larger FF community that managed getting it video recorded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear navashok, if you hold breath for a week, you will probably die. Please don't. Thank you (-: Don't worry Share, Lawson still has retained his posting rights. It is him that Judy wants to clarify. She butta From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suspect you are both misreading what Lawson had in mind. Ooopsie, can you say mindreading? This is hilarious, well a priceless jewel of Judean logic. So we shouldn't both respond to what Lawson actually wrote here, but to what he had in mind? Well, right! He isn't stupid, and he knows the TM research better than anyone here. I am sure he knows the TM research better than anyone here, and nobody said he is stupid. I think he is just being honest here, and that the data he gives is open to different interpretations. That's what we did. Three people responded, all very much alike. I had in mind what Barry answered, and then then saw that he had already given the comment. Xeno's approach was slightly different, but he understood it in very much the same way as we did. I'm not sure what he means either, Now that's even more funny. First you say that he doesn't mean what he says, and ask us to read his mind, and then you go on to say that you actually don't know what he means yourself, but it couldn't be what he wrote. Can you say brezel mind? but I'd suggest you wait to draw any conclusions until he can clarify. And you are suggesting he should? Wait he gave us some information about the research and his interpretation already. It's very highly unlikely that either of you would be able to come up with something he had missed or hadn't accounted for. Of course not, by law. So, I'm now holding my breath. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. Ahem. Isn't another way of interpreting your first two paragraphs that there is no *progress* in TM? *You* are the one interpreting simple relaxation (which never gets deeper or more profound) with Pure Consciousness. I doubt that scientists would. Wow, same thought I had. If the pattern is the same, and doesn't change with longer TM practice, what happened to the idea that with regular practice you release more and more stress, which in turn leads to more clear transcendence? If the meditation is the same and doesn't change, (or those periods of supposed transcendence / relaxation), why the need to be regular at all? Why learn expensive advanced techniques, who are supposed to deepen or widen the transcendence experience, to have it along with subtle activity? With your argument, Lawson, you also wouldn't trust advanced techniques, because they would alter the original experience, or in case they don't, they are completely worthless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 23-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter 52 authfriend 51 Michael Jackson Okay, I just can't help it. First MJ, as we all suspected, like a squirrel, stores away a bunch of posts for later, when he's reached 50. Only he had, either slippery fingers (-:, or too much coffee, and hit reply instead of a save function. And then Judy, got so intoxicated with with this gloating tirade, (which was about the craziest thing we've seen here in a while) that she went, not 1, but 2, over for the week. Does this not necessitate the existence of a higher power?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Unified Field Prayer
Buck, What don't you see if they'll make an exception and let you join the Women's Writing Class. That way you can learn to express your thoughts in a few lines (or words) rather than a few paragraphs. Try a haiku every once in a while, maybe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: O Cosmic Birther of all radiance and vibration. Soften the Ground of our Being and carve out a space within us where Your presence can abide. Fill us with Your Creativity so that we may be empowered to bear the fruit of Your Mission. Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desires. Endow us with the Wisdom to produce and share what each being needs to grow and flourish. Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us, as we release others from the entanglements of past mistakes. Do not let us be seduced by that which would divert us from our True Purpose, but illuminate the opportunities of the Present Moment. For You are the Ground and the Fruitful Vision, the Birth, Power and Fulfillment, as All is gathered and made Whole once again. JAI AMEN
[FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues...to the good writer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: snip Yes, I actually think Share's agent did write it. Am I correct Share? Because it didn't resemble anything you have ever written on this forum before - not in tone, content, wording or style. Ann, That new lens cleaner you've been using seems to be working. Maybe removing some of those little distortions you had before. (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy author
My wish for Judy, based on one her last posts. (ooopsie, from last week that is) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUw125JMVFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUw125JMVFI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Since over the limit count takes penalties to through the next week, I thought we can play a game here with Judy. Either have her hysterically laughing or really steamed at the ears. Let's see if anyone wants to join in to make Auth want to post. Was there not a day that went by when the Turq reached close to his usb port to plug in his extraum...yeah.. keyboard so it reaches to his bed area, right next to, cozy to, his dogs, wink, so he can delightfully type love notes to Judy? I remember a time when Judy gave Barry a nudge of confidence boost by spanking him for something we can only imagine. Dancing the two in photo shop images contest?! Random ideas to pry her accurate mind and fingers to send away as MJ did by accident, conflicting with the save draft mode
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy author
Look. I'm just sayin. Don't read anything into it. But look what's come together. A sentimental journey. the second day of spring. and you know what signifies spring? I thought you did. a robin. that's right. a robin signifies spring. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Added, for her sexually exciting dreams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: My wish for Judy, based on one her last posts. (ooopsie, from last week that is) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUw125JMVFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUw125JMVFI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Since over the limit count takes penalties to through the next week, I thought we can play a game here with Judy. Either have her hysterically laughing or really steamed at the ears. Let's see if anyone wants to join in to make Auth want to post. Was there not a day that went by when the Turq reached close to his usb port to plug in his extraum...yeah.. keyboard so it reaches to his bed area, right next to, cozy to, his dogs, wink, so he can delightfully type love notes to Judy? I remember a time when Judy gave Barry a nudge of confidence boost by spanking him for something we can only imagine. Dancing the two in photo shop images contest?! Random ideas to pry her accurate mind and fingers to send away as MJ did by accident, conflicting with the save draft mode
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy author
Obba, you enabler! You bald faced enabler!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Added, for her sexually exciting dreams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: My wish for Judy, based on one her last posts. (ooopsie, from last week that is) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUw125JMVFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUw125JMVFI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Since over the limit count takes penalties to through the next week, I thought we can play a game here with Judy. Either have her hysterically laughing or really steamed at the ears. Let's see if anyone wants to join in to make Auth want to post. Was there not a day that went by when the Turq reached close to his usb port to plug in his extraum...yeah.. keyboard so it reaches to his bed area, right next to, cozy to, his dogs, wink, so he can delightfully type love notes to Judy? I remember a time when Judy gave Barry a nudge of confidence boost by spanking him for something we can only imagine. Dancing the two in photo shop images contest?! Random ideas to pry her accurate mind and fingers to send away as MJ did by accident, conflicting with the save draft mode
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RntxCmqQqSA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Are you feeling the love?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Race and the blues...to the good writer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: snip Yes, I actually think Share's agent did write it. Am I correct Share? Because it didn't resemble anything you have ever written on this forum before - not in tone, content, wording or style. Ann, That new lens cleaner you've been using seems to be working. Maybe removing some of those little distortions you had before. (-: Well, apparently not. I wrote that post before reading that she had, in fact, written it this morning. So my perception seems to be more distorted than ever. You just think I am not being as MEAN to Share! I'm not actually mean but I DO like to see where boundaries start and end. I am just saying that I have always enjoyed Share's writing style, especially the haikus and other bits of poetry she has recently shared. That's all. Maybe that wasn't clear in some of the comments I've made.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 23-Mar-13 00:15:02 UTC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: snip Weren't things like these attributed to support of nature? And I think you mean does it not 'indicate' the existence of a higher power. It necessitates the existence if we want them to be reinstated, given a reprieve, allowed to go over the limit once in a while and be pardoned. I, for one, wish both could post this week. Ann, I think I could do a better job of more clearly making my points. But, having said that. no, necessitate is the right word. (-: Here Judy got so carried away with this petty accusation, that she up and overposted herself. That is what I call instant karma. And if you believe in karma, then I think a higher power can't be far behind. I often like Judy's points, but this gloating thing, with its subsequent posts, seemed so off base, that I felt it was poetic justice that things worked out the way they did. And I can't help feel the same about Michael with his tireless campaign to denigrate all things TMO. But since that isn't likely Steve, you better be extra entertaining, interesting, brilliant and funny to make up for the absence of both MJ and Authfriend. Agreed? Ann, you have my word as a former cub scout, that I will do my best to FFL and my country to be entertaining, and brilliant and funny, so help me higher power. (-: But, just in case, can you ask Ravi to help out with the brilliant part. And any help with the funny part, I can leave with you.
