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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wow

2012-01-20 Thread vajradhatu108

I couldn't find your picture - but maybe I'll eventually figure it out.

I have talked briefly to Robin here (compared to the occasional lengthy 
responses I get from him). IMO it was actually nice to know he was still alive 
and kicking, and the rumors of his demise were horribly exaggerated. And 
getting to hang a little here has been fun although sometimes challenging.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you either know me or 
 you don't know me, very likely doesn't enter into it. I was not a small 
 player. And I, unlike you, am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, 
 tell you my name, my history and I posted a profile picture.
 
 What you seem to be keeping alive is your interest, maybe even your 
 obsession, with Robin Woodsworth Carlsen. He appears on FFL and you are all 
 over it. You have written more words to and about this man than is normal for 
 someone who is not harbouring some deep-seated, insatiable hunger to provoke 
 and engage him. You are in denial if you can not admit this. Take two weeks, 
 it will take you about that amount of time, to re-read all the words, words, 
 words that you have volleyed his way. I see this as having kept something 
 alive.
 
 This old laundry thing, now I guarantee that if I sent you one of my old 
 WTS tapes of big juicy confrontations, manifestations and all the other 
 goodies that are on it, you would throw it into your VHS player (if you still 
 had such a relic) with gusto.
 
 I agree that you have virtually forgotten your experience with WTS if your 
 descriptions of the processes i.e. confrontations are any indication.
 
 I've never been an angry person. No comment.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:16 PM, awoelflebater wrote:
  
   Perhaps we knew each other at one time?
  
  I'd suspect that's very likely.
  
   If you are an American then for sure I would know you if you were witness 
   to many cosmic confrontations including confronting Robin. However, 
   when being confronted by him it was by default reciprocal. It was a two 
   way confrontation. Like watching ping pong, back and forth, back and 
   forth.
  
  True.
  
   I am also not quite sure of your motivation for keeping all of this alive 
   for 25 years.
  
  Keeping all what alive?
  
  This is old laundry. Not very interesting at all. Except for voyeurs who 
  like to watch such things as people tossing old stuff.
  
   For you to do so it must have been a very traumatic experience. I can 
   understand that.
  
  It was not a traumatic experience for me in the least. I had a great time. 
  But it's something virtually forgotten...and like old laundry, not worth 
  devoting too much time to. Being asked to sort thru my old laundry for 
  interesting pieces is what seems odd to me. If some of that old laundry 
  involves people I cared for, I'm even less likely to hang it out to dry.
  
  You on the other hand seem happy to talk about it. And that's fine too.
  
   What I can not quite understand is the need to carry it for so long. 
   But then your description of a confrontation on the stage sounds like 
   someone who has either never been there, has a faulty memory or is 
   fishing to find out if I am the real thing. Either way I am happy to 
   answer your questions but hopefully you are wanting them answered in 
   order to close the book on your anger.
  
  I've never been an angry person, so again, I'm not sure what you're talking 
  about.
  
  My last experience with Robin - or Robindra as I often refer to him - was 
  one always recalled as a moment of hilarity. It's virtually impossible for 
  any of those present to keep from falling into laughter.

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Wants to Fly

2011-10-14 Thread vajradhatu108

Dear MZ:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:


 Dear Vajradhatu,
 
 You are convinced of the objective truth of enlightenment. I have
tried to explain that while on the one hand enlightenment has an
objective basis in a definitive style of functioning [as opposed to
waking state functioning], it cannot be objectively true in the sense
of being the way things really are. 

Then you would be in direct contradistinction to Buddhist enlightenment.
In fact so-called Hindu enlightenment would be considered forms of
suffering - and actually you do a good job of describing it as such (if
one accepts that you were in a bonafide brahma-chetana in the first
place).
As long as your premise is: There is such a thing as enlightenment, and
it represents the highest state of consciousness there can be, then it
becomes simply an argument between someone who believes and knows there
is a God, and someone who believes and knows there is no God. 

One can also believe such entities or neural-glitches such as gods do
exist but that their worship, propitiation and administration only leads
to suffering for the sentients that do so, and in extenso to other
sentient life forms. A quick gander at world history will show the
simple correctness of this view - if you have no attachment to god and
son type ideals.
In an even more recent view, belief in gods is a glitch from our remote
past carried on by carriers of a god gene and were supported and
inculcated via a malignant form of social disease known as religion.
The good news is, once a gene is identified, open minded liberals could,
through genetic testing, test for the god gene and simply abort the
defective fetus. Over several generations we could lessen the incidence
of religious disease. Social diseases such as neo-conservatism, as their
genetic glitches become better known (the phenomenon is already
beginning to be understood by neuroscientists) could also be eradicated
over several generations.
I say abort god now!. A major initiative to identify god-worshipping
defects and to protect the right of abortion would do much to alleviate
the suffering of a planet infected with the social disease of
god-religion.
More as I have time.
V.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi was a manipulator.

2011-01-30 Thread vajradhatu108




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... 
wrote:


  Simple Mantra japa, though a good start, is far from knowing how to 
  consciously withdraw to Samadhi. Most Westerners aren't ready for a 
  Sat-Guru anyway and he probably knew that, (the demands a Sat-Guru places 
  on a disciple aren't just *effortless*, ha, ha)!
 
 That's a good point.  There were a lot of 'fairy tale' believers running 
 around in the TMO who thought they were just going to glide right into 
 enlightenment automatically because someone told them they will.  Many of 
 those people believed in the whole 100% effortless lifestyle that achieving 
 enlightenment is supposed to give you.  Many of those people, to include 
 friends and family of mine, are now finding themselves in their 40's and 50's 
 with no money, no job skills, no significant attributes to rely on, and no 
 wealthy parents around to take care of them, and they're living a poor 
 economy.  It would be easy to blame it all on MMY, the TMO, or some of the 
 people in the TMO elite inner circle.  But i've always said that if you walk 
 down a rough neighborhood dressed nicely with money in your wallet, it's 
 going to get taken every time.  You can curse the thug who took it, but 
 you're the idiot who kept walking down the same street.  

I guess the conclusion they should be reaching (or should have reached years 
ago) is that 100% effortless lifestyle is bullshit. Sometimes simple mantra 
japa, is just simple mantra japa.

Where your argument falls apart is that TM digs were made to look like palaces 
and the leader and his cronies did not look they were living in a rough 
neighborhood. Dressed in the finest silks, many insiders were quite wealthy (or 
at least tried to dress the part) and lived opulent lifestyles, it wasn't at 
all like your imaginary rough neighborhood. Unless you live in a ghetto where 
the books and the furniture are gold-gilt. ;-)

The sattvic upside: bullshit is 100% organic when the right ingredients are 
ingested. But it's still inedible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi was a manipulator.

2011-01-29 Thread vajradhatu108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... 
wrote:

 That brings up another good point.  When I was a student at MIU/MUM I 
 remember a lot of anxiety going around regarding whether or not someone would 
 attain enlightenment in this lifetime.  Later in life, while studying Vedic 
 teachings from someone else, I was exposed to the concept of Vaikuntha.  
 Vaikuntha was supposed to be the Hindu equivelant of 'Heaven', and sometimes 
 'enlightenment'.  According to the author, Vaikuntha directly translates as 
 'No Anxiety'.  So essentially, 'enlightenment' and 'heaven' is the same thing 
 as 'No Anxiety'.  Yet it seemed to me that there was a lot of anxiety running 
 around the TMO regarding whether or not we were doing enough for 
 enlightenment, world peace, meditating enough, etc  
 
 In other words, we were putting ourselves in a state of anxiety in order to 
 achieve a state of no anxiety.  
 
 seekliberation


Good points!

Why do you think they (the pundits, Bevan, etc.) kept chanting Maharishi is in 
heaven, Maharishi is in heaven when he had died? 

Because they believe incarnation into a heaven-dimension is a prerequisite for 
full awakening.

Better luck next time!

[FairfieldLife] Re: iPad Mellotron, etc. simulator

2011-01-28 Thread vajradhatu108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 01/27/2011 06:13 AM, Vaj wrote:
  Mellotron, Drum, Guitar, Bass, etc. played on iPad and IPhone playing 
  In the Court of the Crimson King.
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lJW-SWhKI
 
  LINK
 
  This song may contain tamasic elements. - CPPT
 
 Ever play a Mellotron?  We had one for a while at the music store where 
 I worked after returning from TTC in the 1970s.  Funky machine.  I think 
 my Mixcraft installation even has it as a virtual instrument.


Yeah, I have. They were very high maintenance and constantly prone to breakdown.

I got a set of all the sounds in 24 bit format (free on the web), recorded in a 
studio and made them into virtual instruments for Garageband, then I can 
trigger them with a keyboard or a guitar synth.

The original company has now actually licensed an official app version for the 
iPad. But IMO it's just too small for a person with normal or large hands. It 
would be perfect for Hobbits though. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana (concentration) beautifully explained!

2011-01-28 Thread vajradhatu108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Here is how I interpret this No-self experience: The so-called states of 
  TC, CC, GC, and UC describe an ever-closer approach between Purusha and 
  Prakriti, or the Absolute and the Relative, or Father Spirit and Mother 
  Matter. Kundalini, both from below and from above, acts as a kind of 
  more-or-less constant conductor or tunneler to effect their approach and 
  eventual marriage.
  
  Using a Cosmic Body as a map of their progress, we can posit that 
  Transcendental Consciousness (TC) activates the Crown Chakra (Shiva; 
  Purusha) and the Foot Chakra (Shakti; Prakriti); Cosmic Consciousness (CC) 
  moves down into the Brow (Witness) and up into the Base (Organs of action; 
  Physical plane) to effect a witnessing of activity; God-Consciousness (GC) 
  moves down into the Throat (Space; bliss) and up into the Sex (Senses; 
  Astral-emotional) to structure blissful senses and subtle-body experiences; 
  and Unity Consciousness (UC) moves down into the Heart (Buddhic intuition; 
  finest feeling) and up into the Navel (Manas or animal mind) to move beyond 
  the senses into an intuitive grasp of One-ness. 
 
 
 Actually I think it's a little different in Classical Yoga, when the Serpent 
 Fire reaches the 6th Chakra that is Self-Realization or what MMY calls CC, 
 when it further reaches the 7th that is what MMY calls Unity or what 
 classical Yoga calls CC.  Different terms for the same thing, try not to let 
 it confuse you.
 

Actually basic forms of samadhi begin in the upper ajna. Then one goes through 
a series of novel samadhic experiences.  CC or turiyatita is associated with 
consciousness stabilizing at a certain point above the crown of the head. It's 
really only in this realm that one begins to transcend the outer (physical 
form) of the breath and taps into the inner breath.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

2010-08-26 Thread vajradhatu108

Sounds like a great time, please keep us posted!

I'm sure there are a number of people who could share stories and I hope they 
do so here.

The nice thing about having a lineage is 'there's always more than one person 
you can hang with.'

We have the popular SSRS ashram nearby in Montreal, and we were going to check 
it out but we opted to check out Gampo Abbey in Cape Breton instead, and 
weren't disappointed (even though Pema Chodron was not in residence at the 
time).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

2010-08-25 Thread vajradhatu108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

  I am not sold on SSRS.  But I do like his Art of Living kriya and the
 breezy style exuded by the teachers of SSRS I've met.
 

Sometimes the burgers are better on the other side of the fence.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

2010-08-25 Thread vajradhatu108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:57 AM, vajradhatu108 
 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
I am not sold on SSRS.  But I do like his Art of Living kriya and the
   breezy style exuded by the teachers of SSRS I've met.
  
 
  Sometimes the burgers are better on the other side of the fence.
 
 
 Erma Bombeck said it best in the title of her book *The Grass is Always
 Greener Over the Septic Tank*.
 
 I am finding each day that the Art of Living kriya is taking the doom and
 gloom out of my TM/TMSP.  I go into my program now full of light and
 experience that light throughout my TM/TMSP program.  I remember, soon after
 becoming a sidha, taking a week long WPA at  H. St. NW.  A more
 experienced sidha despaired of his chronic insomnia.  Others chimed in.  I
 couldn't understand how something as wonderful as the TMSP could allow this
 sort of suffering to creep in.  Over the years people tried marmalade, vastu
 and basti, all to no avail.  I saw the sidhas around me becoming depressed,
 nearly falling over from lack of sleep, becoming unglued.
 
 It's very clear to me, having been on CCP for a very long time when it got
 down to just Bobby Kennedy and myself, then on IA a decade later, that
 there's something wrong with the TM/TMSP.  It's unbalanced, as, I suspect,
 was it's spiritual leader.
 
 Me, I'm happy as a clam right now and could happily leave this group were it
 not for the very vigorous conversations that have taken place here in the
 last month or two revealing the good, the bad and the ugly side of
 Maharishi, the TMO and MMY's teachings.   IMO something very important was
 missing from the TM/TMSP practice (balance, perhaps?).  I've gotten it back,
 alas, and I'm happy for that.
 
 But I no longer need his departed Holiness, his Dome, his bogus 1%, square
 root of 1% numbers and his organization, or what's becoming at least three
 organizations, one in Vlodrup, one in Paris and one in India.

 Well it's great to hear how it worked for you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

2010-08-25 Thread vajradhatu108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Oh,he'd pssibly go back if asked real nice
 to meditate and do the TMSP in a large
 group meditation.  They could just ask and trust
 people that way too.  If their interest is
 in facilitating large group meditations.
 
 Given the situation here, they just ain't going to get the numbers
 they want without giving up some of their position.  They
 are really down to just some hundreds of folks to draw on the way they have 
 it excluded.  Is pitiable, its been done so badly.
 

Well could they actually do it without going against the direct wishes and 
injunctions of their founder? After all, it's he they represent. If they fudge 
that, it's no longer adherening to the teachings of the Maharishi.

[FairfieldLife] Shukra: Critique of Art of Living/Kriya course

2010-08-24 Thread vajradhatu108

Weren't you the guy who claimed SSRS took you to a nadi-style jyotish reader 
and he shewed you the nadi-leaves which stated that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was 
one-sixteenth of an avatar?

If so, you should alert Rick, as the person that previously some believed that 
could verify it (Prof. D.S.) is going back to India.

Now would be an interesting time to verify this claim you shared here 
previously.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
  When I looked at the schedule for the course, I didn't realize that it was
  just more than Friday evening.  It was also all day Saturday and all day
  Sunday.  I couldn't figure out why a course would take that long.  To my
  regret, I found out why.  It's full of a bunch of Vedic homilies an 8 y/o
  would scoff at and a lot of New Age exercises which should have died in the
  1960s at the Esalen Institute.  One thing for certain, teacher training must
  be something very different from TTC, because if TM is considered Yoga Lite,
  then the Art of Living must be Yoga made with aspartame.
  
  The two long kriyas we practiced were extremely powerful.   Regrettably, the
  first long kriya, on Saturday, kicked in my flying sutra 
 SAME
 
 BUT GAVE ME TOTAL INSOMNIA LATE
 and those asana
  mats aren't anywhere near as soothing as the foam in the golden domes.
  
  The follow up is very casual and very helpful.  As opposed to the TMO where
  everybody's shit is supposed to smell like roses, the Art of Living people
  all practice and teach forgiveness, acceptance of themselves and others, and
  cherishing of diversity.  A very welcome relief.
  
  The take home kriya is extremely powerful.  I do it before I commence my
  morning TM/TMSP.  I am filled throughout the day with prana.  A very nice,
  soothing and energizing feeling.  The prana helps a lot in the TM/TMSP
  practice.
  
  There are 2 free long kriyas offered at my AOL center a week.  One is
  allowed to take only one of these a week, as they have so very much power.
  I will be attending these long kriyas.  This stuff's powerful.
  
  It's difficult to get used to SSRS after decades of listening to Maharishi
  go into intricate detail.  I'm not at all sure if I will partake of the
  knowledge parts nor if I will take the Art of Silence (extended, in
  residence guided meditations).  Time will tell.

[FairfieldLife] Epilogue: Prairie Peace Park is facing its end

2010-08-24 Thread vajradhatu108

Nature supports and nature taketh away...

http://journalstar.com/special-section/epilogue/article_2d4b8d0e-aecf-11df-8bd3-001cc4c03286.html

The Prairie Peace Park opened in 1994. Interstate 80 travelers often dropped in
to view the unique, peace-oriented artwork and exhibits. Annual visitation
averaged about 600. Faced with financial problems, the Prairie Peace Park Board
sold the park in 2005 to a transcendental meditation group based in Fairfield,
Iowa.

PLEASANT DALE -- The Prairie Peace Park has fallen on hard times.
Old tires and shattered glass and an empty Jim Beam bottle litter the entrance.
Weeds grow in the cracks of the parking lot, which is scattered with asphalt
shingles and debris from an abandoned house nearby.

There are no welcome banners to greet visitors -- only a big for sale sign
and a colorful mural on the side of the house, featuring flowers, sun, people,
music symbols and a globe supported by hands.
It wasn't always this way.

The Prairie Peace Park once was a place where the seeds of peace were sown by a
group of visionaries who wanted a venue where people could meditate about ways
to change a violent world.

The park opened June 11, 1994. More than 1,500 people attended, including actor
Ed Asner, children's singer Raffi and the late U.S. Sen. J.J. Exon.

Sixteen years later, the park is about to be sold, its mission of fostering
world peace lost in 27 acres of weeds and trees and neglected sculptures and
exhibits.

Marc Snow with NAI FMA Realty in Lincoln has been working with a buyer
interested in the land and has a contract under review.

Don Tilley, president of the Prairie Peace Park Board, was not surprised by the
news.
We were expecting it to happen, he said.

Tilley, one of the park's founders, had high hopes its peace mission would live
on after the board sold it in 2005 to Global Country World Peace, based in
Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa.

The group, affiliated with Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield,
Iowa, planned to build a 12,000-square-foot peace palace on site to teach
transcendental meditation and host public lectures.

We always had some hope, Tilley said. When they tried to sell the property,
we kind of guessed it (the peace palace) wasn't going to happen. (...)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

2010-08-24 Thread vajradhatu108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 What a goofy program to begin with..NONE of them, I repeat NONE of them 
 are functioning from the home of all the laws of nature, (OK,maybe a wee 
 faint awareness, when they're not sleeping).
 
 What a disaster this whole program has been to the entire TM effort!! but 
 then, maybe it's instructive as to who MMY really was to begin with..(hint, a 
 Hindu reformer).

If you think aging sexually perverse renunciates intoxicated with wealth and 
self-image can be reformers?

What's he reforming?, the RIg Ved?

Give me a frickin' break!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

2010-08-24 Thread vajradhatu108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

  Perhaps Jungian synchronicity, perhaps the Sport of Nature Maharishi always
 talked about.  I only took 10 years to decide to take the Art of
 Living/Kriya course.  The talk here about was Maharishi a petty, hateful
 guy, the kriya, meeting teachers of another guru who are natural.  SSRS
 stresses naturalness, forgivingness, helpfulness.  I at first looked down on
 my friends who were still going to IA (on my support, airfare,
 transportation, and so on).  Now I just let them be.  Let the Dome be.  I
 will do my program, aided by the kriya I do before morning program.  Let
 those who run MUM, the TMO and Dome policy go tither and commit fornication
 upon thineselves.


Gawd I always find it entertaining when a TM cult fanatic leaves and just 
jumps into another corporate guru's org.

I guess if you're crazy about McDonald's and get some bad burgers it's only 
natural for you to go to Burger King or White Castle.

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