>From time to time I find precious stones amongst the flood of mails coming
>from Arhata Osho's and Arhata Free Speech's side. Nevertheless many of these
>contributions I have to delete in order not to feel frustrated of not knowing
>which to select. Sometimes I think "less" would even be "more"
Arhata Osho and Arhata Free Speech contributions, obviously stemming from one
source, are over-flooding this list with lively advertisements to all fields of
life since quite some time. From time to time it seems to be highlighting
exhilarating, but most often it creates a friendly cautionary ne
If there had not been certain golden rules, there would not have been any
upsurges of creation at all. Nothing is without a rule, even the biggest
free-made decisions follow certain rules. It is only the question, whether you
are able to recognize the same or not, and whether it is necessary to
od?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But Maharishi for sure did not say, "in order to reach this finest
level, you may take any seemingly good vehicle coming along out of
your own religious trad
tes like "holiness" or so. The procedure on the other hand is much more
jejune.
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From: R.G.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
--- In FairfieldLife@yaho
But Maharishi for sure did not say, "in order to reach this finest level, you
may take any seemingly good vehicle coming along out of your own religious
tradition". Otherwise he could have easily recommended that all Christians for
reason to get best result ought to be initiated into "Jesus" as
g one.
Hagen
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From: off_world_beings
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
This might all be true, if you are living romance on the level of Being and not
solely on the level of your daily unstable moods and imaginative thoughts.
However what makes me suspicious in what you both say is, that there seems to
be definitely a lack of genuine experience of pure Being, being
These letter-similarities and linguistic derivations can be taken as elucidate
language relationships but must not necessarily reveal any insights into the
impact of mantras as such. Romantics regarding assumed holy meanings of
so-called mantras seems to be okay but if not coping with consistenc
R.G., now I get your point. You think the effect of a mantra, - and that could
be any suitable word -, to which you feel a special inclination, would be good
enough to come closer to God.
This seems to me to be only a romantic idea based on the assumption that
transcending was only a question of
R.G., your thesis that Jesus would be the sound closest to God seems to me like
a claim directly out of mere mythology and not really science-based, saying
only: "You may believe it or not".
If you speak of sound quality according to vedic terms, the evaluation of the
worth of mantras would be
better than what MMY had been
teaching !
Hagen
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From: sparaig
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus, Mantra of God'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J
Aleging that Jesus was the mantra to God sounds to me like as if stemming from
a child, raising a steer-similar toy on a couch while making "brumm, brumm" and
being totally absorbed in its phantasy to be a cool driver of a car. It is
funny and causing concern at the same time, how religious thou
try level of yogic meditation.
There's so much more to learn but it isn't all "magic." In fact a lot
of it is knowledge that you'll need glean from someone who has it. But
one can spend lifetimes on the project so you probably have some more to
go. ;-)
Hagen J.
e (IOW, no advanced techniques
needed). For those more serious then there is the path of the disciple
(who is eligible to teach).
TM by no means is the only game in town nor superior to almost any other
technique.
Hagen J. Holtz wrote:
> I read this over and over again as an independent
: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: >>> Don't Take on The Karma of the Initiate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz" <> _a
> meeting with him. Maharishi said to him in the strongest term
To be honest, such a karma I would like to overtake, in case I was able to do
so. In any case I would prefer go for it instead of leaving the umbrella to
those, whom I had not been able to study sufficiently nor having had the chance
to remember them as part of my personal capacity of smriti (c
Angela,
I again have to confess that I had not been having the time to follow the
discussion between Judy and Vaj. Anyhow it is diffcult for me to keep pace with
the flood of contributions in this list, and I sometimes get smitten by the
indefinite feeling that I would miss a lot, which last bu
Irmeli said:
Practically every time they (the nuslims) publicly say
something, they make themselves just ridiculous, and show that their
capacity to formal operational thinking, or abstract conceptual
thinking, is poor. They combine categories in a wrong way all the
time. And this is not about bel
Very interesting what you say, Angela, so I have to get along now with your
cantilevered delineation of complex circumstances. I hope I am able to live up
to your expectations, trying to confine myself to what I esteem to be the most
essential out of your elaborations.
You said:
To my mind, ho
"Turquoise", my question to you is, are you now privileging "lively
hallucinogen experiences" only in comparison to "dull drifts" based on opium
just for principal reasons, while talking from your personal past ? Or are you
still hailing drugs in comparison to meditational practices for example
Angela, the fatal mistake with religion is, that once it has been stablished as
a religious view (the German word is "religiöse Anschauung" , which means
something in between "religious perception" and "intuition") along with the
implementation of all its legal frameworks, the matter becomes a f
Stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Religion has no relationship with spirituality. Religions are a cultural
phenomenon. Aside from their questionable view on human rights, they all share
the dangerous notion of believing they are right and everyone else is wrong.
That one fault is reason enough
Hi Edg,
for some unknown reason after some days I went through my spam-mails thoroughly
and found your
early reply from Feb.19 just by chance.
So apart from this luck I have no idea, why some of the Fairfield-mails end up
there and others not.
I am basically agreeing to what you say about the
...So...where would you people go to find out.what research has
been done and by whom?
I think there is no final reliable source other than you in the role of a
premature scientist. Hypothesis, theory and practice have to match, that is
all. And if you have a theory, get it verified thr
I tell people that meditation can be a great thing and "don't
throw the baby out with the bath water", but everyone.
I see it the same way and yet coming from another ankle,
leading to another conclusion. There is nothing objectionable
to do TM research and more than ever there is no harm in
For the record, I do not aspire to having
discussions with you about the things you
consider "contents." I don't find the same
things fascinating that you seem to find
fascinating. I will therefore content myself
with merely asking questions from time to
time.
In case you limit yourself to simpl
What a nice cynical intonation of yours. But I hope it will not let us come to
the point, where we loose the string for discussion of contents rather than
than of formalisms. I have been using these terms because I have been
indirectly describing Chandrakant's attitude to the whole matter as a b
I went through all the breathing and noisemaking stages too, although
eventually, at least at MIU, this was suppressed, which I think spoiled the
spontaneity of what was going on.
Later on, and that was the pity due to influence of frustrated and frustrating
people, that often people thought
If you can live without bliss, without having been denying it beforehand, then
you are on a real high level of realization. But then I do not understand, why
all that previous debasing, as you seem to do would be needed. What you express
is somehow not rhyming.
In my experience: Bliss is stupi
I have off and on meditated my 20 minutes twice a day for many years.
I quit the siddhis course before I was done way back in the 70s and
walked away. I am sorry to say but my impression was WTF? This is
bogus!
Listen carefully to what I tell you know, it may be of great importance for you
and
I'm not cynical about the siddhis. I'm just being honest about my lack of
experience with them. As I said, I may very well have been doing them wrong. Or
maybe my mind wasn't settled enough or my transcendence clear enough to produce
the predicted result. Or maybe it's a "different strokes for d
Why bother, Rick,
the ultimate goal is to realize "who you are,"
not to have beautiful, blissful experiences.
Must there be any contradiction between both ?
I do not think so. If a bulb burns it radiates light (= bliss).
But it needs electricity (=power=siddhis). One goes along
with the other. Th
erience
> > very much.
> >
> > While Mother Meera encourages her visitors to engage
> > in spiritual
> > practises, 'Meister M.' says they are all fruitless.
> > Many people just like somebody else to take them to
> > the light.
>
le just like somebody else to take them to the light.
I think that many so-called spiritual persons are basically lazy.
It was Patanjali who said that only continuous practise without
break could bring any real results...
Dirk Gysels, Belgium
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "
Someone recently announced that Mother Meera would go on tour and that people
should announce their interest aborningly. Isn't it a waste of time ?
I am in the lucky position that Mother Meera is sitting in my neighbourhood, 10
km far away at Balduinstein, State Rheinland-Pfalz in Germany. I am
instead of "Jai Guru Dev"" ! for
example) :)
- Original Message -
From: TurquoiseB
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.)
--- In FairfieldLi
ay you stay forever young.
- Bob Dylan, Forever Young, the TM bootleg version
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
> wrote:
> >
> > The counterf
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The counterforce to gravity has already been detected by
> the Austrian scientist Viktor Schauberger in the beginning
> of the last century. He named it "levitation".
Along with Maharishi's perishing I got again aware, what helped me a bit for
finding and keeping on to my spiritual path, which I would like to put into
some practical patterns, and which may also be of help or at least inspiration
for you:
1. Always get inspired but avoid to get impressed ! Th
You forgot to accuse me of lying.
Why should I ? You are not lying but according to my opinion not enough
trying... ! J
I think you are a little bit overshadowed by my metaphoric title, which for you
seems to make the necessity of going into the details of my argumentation
obsolete. But is this not taking the same line like that monosyllabic professor
seems to do ? He reduces his simplifications, as if only excla
Some inserted replies to out of:
Lies My Guru Told Me (For my own good, of course)
By Michael D. Coleman, Ph. D.
(First one question in advance: What kind of PhD is this ? Is this a PhD on
polemics ? J)
1. TM is a simple, scientific technique. It is simple, but it certainly is not
"scientific
I heard Maharishi once been saying that the TM-Mantras came from the so-called
mantra shastras. I have never been studying them, but he said that this is a
complete source, which may even contain the mantras of physical immortality,
which have once been carried off by some demon .
- O
I doubt that Chopra's information about his "patient" Maharishi is a break
against his
duty to treat medical records confidentially. What he notified seems to be of
public interest and is secondly being held to be too general as to commit
against morality or confidential records - at least acco
Peter,
I am not seriously expecting any answers from Chopra, only some new insights,
which may help me to get slowly a more complete picture of the whole
undertaking. I am surprised how fast you have been replying on my insert :-).
- Original Message -
From: Peter
To: Fairfiel
could not even drive a car safely without having this fundamental function of
smriti because the mind has to rely on memory and only a small portion seems to
be variable in case of perceptions. It is a fascinating field of exploration,
where you can exercise Immanuel Kant's thinking virtues: First "just start
thinking !", second "think by your own !", third "think consecutively !" and
fourth "think up to the end !"
With my warmest regards
Hagen J. Holtz
A TM-Teacher in a German list wrote, that Maharishi, being asked by a
journalist, what would happen, if once he was not there amongst us, gave the
answer, that this knowledge would not be dependent on him and that those, who
followed the illuminated path would definitely reach the goal.
My rep
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From: Ben Gilberti
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Is Not A Thought
This is just a very tiny insight.
What is not a thought? What's more real than thought?
Now don't get excited, this
Since many years I am a fan of this list, but I do not find time to read the 50
- 100 daily messages. So I check the list on random basis with the
uncomfortable back-ground feeling to sometimes miss essential developments. So
I got a "bath-tube session" idea to restructure the list without depri
These kind of elaborations remind me to the predicitions of reincarnation of
Jesus in order to save the world. They are hardly of any practical use and do
contain too many aspects, which cannot be proven and do only create a spirit of
dependence and powerlessness regarding one's own way of
I think it was correctly stated in the comments:
"The point of the study was that more intelligent
people are more likely to chose to be vegetarians,
not that being a vegetarian makes you more
intelligent."
High IQ link to being vegetarian
Don,
in the German Focus-Magazine Online News from today it is said that a recent
British study has found out vegetarians to be belonging to the most
intelligent ones in society. More than 8,000 youngsters in the age of 10,
all born in 1970, had been once undergoing an IQ-test. Twenty years lat
It is said (recollecting it estimatingly) that
the greatest celibate ever in the universe was Lord Maheshvara. By his
constant tapas he created the whole universe (vishvamaya). As
the embodiment of this created universe came along Goddess Ratri
in the most splendid form. She became so over
interesting !
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: (no
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To control information is the best way of getting
a society uniformed. Uniformation is the beginning of the end of life. It just
destroys diversity, which is the basis of unity and vice versa. The "bad"
is the regulating reflection and force of what is not good enough on
the other end. It
l and heartless manner. Never, never,
never ! He allows everybody to "think with his heart". "Because on the level of
the heart only I am conveying my messages. There are no other means of
communication". (Maharishi testimonied by Vera Meyer, Seelisberg
1979).
Hagen J. Hol
For sure into TM.
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From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the
sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of
spinach...)
> Initiat
Thanks Pete, Jim and others for the appreciation
of my recent comments. If I start to write, knowledge increasingly flows
and I am often surprised, what comes out, because in some aspects it is also new
for me even :-).
If you start to be more and more bold about the
inner intelligence,
es after world-war second toook all his recordings under
seal.
There are not only
roomers but also serious hints, that research on these propulsive forces had
been continued in secrecy.
It might be worth to read
some book of Callum Coats, who has been doing 15 years research on
sn't
> necessary repetition at all.> > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen
J. Holtz" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
wrote:>>>> >> >> > The way I heard the
story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the > guy>> >> MMY
was>&
>> > The way I heard the story, it was the
Shankaracharya, or the guy >> MMY was>> > propping up as
the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the >> details of
that>> > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick
trip to >> India>> > during the Fiuggi course, that he
offer
Meditation movement lacks proper
credentialsEditorialBy Emerald editorial boardNovember 10, 2005A sold-out
crowd packed into 150 Columbia Tuesday night to hear famous filmmaker David
Lynch speak. Perhaps they came to learn about the meaning of his dark films, but
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