from:"rudra






Interesting that there would clearly be an inner, gnostic 
explanation of this verse--instead it is almost always interpreted as an 
historical directive. This is so typical of the religions of the 
kali-yuga.

And yet, will these things not 
come to pass? As someone famous once said, to paraphrase, whether God exists or 
not, or demands certain actions or not is unimportant, since many believe and 
act upon those beliefs. So therefore God exists. And so also, many many many 
people believe in the apocalypse and so they will make it happen thus affirming 
the good book.Being a Kalachakrapa, I have a post apocalypic vision which takes 
place about 400 years hence, so Christian endtimes or not, I will be back for 
more self abuse later. And since as above so below thus also shall the 
stupidities and ignorance of the prophecies be worked out. That's my belief. But 
I'm open to being discredited. Having ones ignorance discredited always brings 
one credit. And I need some credit because I'm broke. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Maharishi Being a Thief






I think he is actually referring to the incredible overpricing of TMO 
services and products that drain people financially, some living from 
course to course on little but a shoe string. Others buy only TMO 
products instead of reasonably priced alternatives. In short, he is 
describing a sad form of victimization, spiritual materialism and price 
gouging. This has nothing to do whatsoever with St. John of the Cross' 
"dark night".
---Oddly though it is a material 
representation of the dark night wherein God (Maharishi) has up and left one to 
their own devices and lack becauseHis mighty programs are too demanding. 


I 
mean, honestly, I wanted to be a TM teacher, but 20,000 bucksto raise in 
four days. C'mon Lord, what you trying to do to me? I've literally never had a 
cent to call my own. I was a working class peon my whole life. I get it now, I 
really really do, because in the good book you said the humble and meek would 
inherit the earth. Yes, I get it, we get the shit that's left behind after you 
and the rich and powerful take off. What areal irony this turned out to 
be. You got me straight trippin Lord and 
Mahaguru.

But I ask in earnest the question 
of whether some think Maharishiis an avatar or even the Second Coming 
becausec'mon Maharishi led people to supplant that theme in their minds by 
using the Heaven on Earth thing over and over and the proper term from the Bible 
is "New Heaven and New Earth." From Revs. Noone ever really said Heaven would 
descend to earth, but ratherthe divine would come on a cloud and people 
would get caught up in it (Revs). But I think maharishi really really played 
upon themistaken notion that Jesus would come again to tie into a 
collective mythos, which is actually incorrect, theoretically. It's the Jews who 
believe in the Messiah and a Zion. Catholics do not.Fundies however, do, 
as well. Muslims do not. Maharishi is in his way a Baptist. And I wonder 
if any of you who have Baptist thoughts or feelings even mixed the two and made 
a connection. I know there's at least two of you out there who think so so c'mon 
and tell. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yagyas - what is it






None taken--I already posted a source under the subject: "The Vedic 
horse sacrifice". A mention is made of Buddhism putting a stop to these 
practices. Interestingly, Shankara helped revive it--using a Hinduism modified 
via Buddhism. Go figure. Some believe that advaita came into Hinduism via 
Buddhism.

---Absolutely. Buddhism is 
what we TMers practice, because otherwise we would have to be Brahmin Hindus to 
get these teachings. Maharishi is a Buddhist even though he thinks they're 
stupid, stupid enough to tell Bevan to counter in Bevans speech on TM fulfilling 
the tenets of Buddha. In using terms like absolute and relative Maharishi took 
from Buddha since these words are never used anywhere in the Upanishads. It's 
not alal from Buddha, but Buddha was just so great that he said it all 
best. Now that's awesome. Even now. I am always amazed at both the 
simplicity of Buddha' message and it's amazing complexity of understanding. 
There really is no source for these teachings but Vedanta. And since that's the 
case, even the Veda must end. And it ends in Buddha, or 
nowhere.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






If you're really grateful, send Rick a check for $2,465, the 
balancedowed given the price today.

Because then your 
transcendence would really amount to something. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






The balance is in interest put 
into principle. I didn't mention that because that was post TM technique and not 
TM proper. But yeah. The principle was like learning TM, and all the interest 
put back in was like the higher empowerments and teachings I got, so true. And 
they are still accruing, and yet, I keep defering payment, so I will really 
really get screwed in the end. Unless some terrorist blows up SSSC. maybe they 
are acts of God after all. I'm not serious. I really would rather be in debt 
than to have people suffer on my behalf. 

Now on a different note, has 
anyone been paying attention to Indonesia? I mean, tidal wave, earthquake, 
volcano. The end of the world seems to be here, in Indonesia for some 
people, God Bless Them. Those who leave now are the lucky ones. Cause the highs 
are gonna get higher and the lows are gonna get lower.

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  wrote: Hey, I just had my 33rd TM birthday. Thanks again 
  Rick, the mantra worked and was well worth the $35. -Peter  
---Yeah but you only got 35 bucks worth of transcendence 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yagyas - what is it








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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:28 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Yagyas - 
  what is it
  On Apr 14, 2005, at 10:16 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
  ---Absolutely. 
Buddhism is what we TMers practice, because otherwise we would have to be 
Brahmin Hindus to get these 
  teachings.
  Actually yoga can be taught to any caste.
  ---Oh, my 
  bad.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






Seems that 
way.

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  birthday!
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  wrote:  Now on a different note, has anyone been paying 
  attention to Indonesia? I mean, tidal wave, earthquake, 
  volcano. The end of the world seems to be here, in Indonesia for 
  some people, God Bless Them. Those who leave now are the lucky ones. Cause 
  the highs are gonna get higher and the lows are gonna get lower.We 
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[FairfieldLife] View






In Dzogchen it's called 
view because one meditates with open eyes and looks to the bottom of 
the mind at the absolute. With the eyes.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Vedic horse yagya, etc.






It is 
interesting in how it represents the culmination of medieval Vaishnavism 
overtaking the original traditions and then representing that to westerners 
(primarily Judeo-Christians) as the original or "pure" tradition. 
Vaishnavite deviations of Hinduism are much more palatable to 
westerners.---You think? I only 
thought that most religions were palatable to Christians and Jews because they 
were mostly reprehensible, and therefore the Judeochristian could feel superior, 
and that meant they didn't have to rise up in arms to persecute. On the other 
hand, a purer religion would make those people very scared and would make them 
start a crusade. Imagine a Christian carrying any other banner than Jesus, even 
if the truth would set them free.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






Well, it wasn't quite that bad for 
me. But I'm sure there were some who faded into the woodwork who really needed 
some compassion. Luckily for me, compassion doesn't mean having to give money 
because I don't have any. As Roosevelt said, "Lack of any alternative clears the 
mind miraculously." 

I think MMY really needs to have a 
program for the poor, or at least one should be acknowledged. It could be called 
Rajanitor.

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  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - 
  what is it
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: That 
  MMY is such a thief! ;-) Yeah. Close yer eyes for one second and *pow* 
  all yer attachments gone! The shirt off yer back! Even yer towel! Butt 
  hangin out, shiverin in the breeze! That lousy, dirty no-good stinkin' 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






Well, Maharishi doesn't give, he 
sells, and as for giving in return, he doesn't give but he puts out. Prolly more 
than any other teacher ever, he has been recorded, and yet, not for me, but for 
those with more to give. Besides their lives. Money. Even though MMY didn't say, 
you put up or I shut up, nonetheless, that's what happened. That's kind of 
whorish as far as supreme knowledge goes. You know, I talk like a slut but 
I never was one. I guess I can love sluts from a distance. But I couldn't really 
get with one. So I just don't get it. Aren't there more dignified ways of 
disseminating awakening than being whorish and 
vainglorious?

Another Bible quote: You may 
say what you want about me, but do not fuck with the Holy Ghost. Those Catholics 
are so backwards. The Holy Ghost is the result of fucking. First because we 
exist in form, and second because that form creates that bliss, and finally 
because in tantra fucking creates the union of three. Those silly nontantrics. I 
mean, why bow to an icon, pulpit and stained glass window when one can bow to 
their own beloved? 

Why look to heaven elsewhere when 
one can have it here? Even the Devas are peeping out, ever wonder why? 
Because we blow ther fucking minds, and they can't get over it. They're caught 
up. 

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  what is it
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  wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Peter Sutphen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:  
  That MMY is such a thief! ;-)   Yeah. Close yer eyes for one 
  second and *pow* all yer attachments  gone! The shirt off yer back! 
  Even yer towel! Butt hangin out,  shiverin in the breeze! That lousy, 
  dirty no-good stinkin' SO-and-SO (HAM)!Yeah, the heck with 
  THIS! Let's go find some other teacher who'll give us some of our stuff 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: View






Good way to wrap up some of those "inside-outside" 
dualities---Exactly, which 
is the greatness of Dzogchen teaching. But one must also make the connection 
that that's that! 

Usually a master is needed but 
enlightenment can come from a stinking bus, and Buddha can manifest as a pebble, 
so go figure. I mean, it just makes good socially responsible sense to get 
trained from a master instead of a pebble or a jar of mayonaise. People just 
can't get with that so often.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] View






Ahh. 
Yess

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  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] View
  On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:06 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
  In 
Dzogchen it's called view because one meditates with open eyes and 
looks to the bottom of the mind at the absolute. With the eyes.View = darshana or 
  drsti = lta ba


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






Nah, I'm a fucking cook. I don't 
do janitorial shit. I've moved up the ladder. That is to say, they couldn't pay 
me enough to do it. Though I will do it for my home. I might clean up for the 
guru, myself, and those around me, but not permanently. Cleaning up other 
people's shit. Nah, I actually do go out sometimes and pick up trash 
because, from the janitor is the sacrifice to janitor made and its to the 
janitor to clean up the mess of the janitor after the sacrifice. Why waste a 
cooks talent on cleaning, ya gots to eat! But one can't cook in a dirty space so 
at the very basis of cooking is in fact the janitorial duty of sanitation. So 
yeah, cook, janitor, alright, I haven't moved up the ladder. But at least I 
don't make you eat shit. Because while raising my sights I also look down at the 
surface I'm working from.

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  what is it
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
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  wrote:snip  I think MMY really needs to have a 
  program for the poor, or at least one should be acknowledged. It could be 
  called Rajanitor.Maybe that is/will be Your 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






On the other hand, seeing the Teacher in many guises and 
eventually everywhere and in everyone is A Good Thing. --just good and not great?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






What, no more poor 
bees?

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - 
  what is it
  On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:13 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
  I 
think MMY really needs to have a program for the poor, or at least one 
should be acknowledged. It could be called Rajanitor.He already 
  does:" to eliminate poverty in the world."http://www.maharishihoney.com/That's 
  kinda like saying Mexicans coming over the US border is a program to eliminate 
  poverty! The truth is it's about slave labor and sweat 
shops.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






Ah beautiful. Which reminds 
me that if I have been too crude or callous in my words and scared all the 
wonderful dakinis away then I am sorry and I will tone down so that you may all 
return. IE., we haven't heard a woman's voice in nary over a few days here it 
seems. So I'm sorry ladies if you can't take me, then just let me know. I can 
change. I swear it. But tomorrow, if that's ok, because well, today just started 
and I'm in the mode now. But if I should tone down then just say so. 


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  wrote: You mean he hasn't even gotten started yet?? 
  Oy.  SalInto Your arms will I softly creepWaking 
  You out of Your restless sleepBreathing on your heartes emberTil you 
  stir and slow rememberAs bright flame consumes Our heartYou and I 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop

Is that today? Wow, blow me away.
I put on my 1 and 11 mukhi beads today when I usually don't wear them very
often.

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Dear Brothers/Sisters,The Solar Ingress into
Sidereal Aries is a day of great rejoicing for thephilosophically
oriented.Happy Vishu and may the Absolute Self, whose symbol the Sun
is, bless youwith Grace Divine ! Vishu is derived from Vishuvath Vrittha,
which means theCelestial Equator.Web Astrologer G Kumarhttp://www.eastrovedica.com-
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PMSubject: [FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the
poop --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emailed to me on the
side: Got a long voicemail from someone on the
course.Anyhoo...Turns out the whole
thrust of this 'recertification' seems to be marketing.
Within the next 2-3 months there will be 500 storefronts in
malls. Each one will have all the MAPI and movement
products, a largescreen TV with the M channel, a children's
corner, a spa, a TM center. There's more I can't
remember. He wanted to know the 5 high end malls in the
area. They will hire 4 people working in each store plus
a manager. A man and woman from the course will be
supervising. AND GET THIS. MAHARISHI WILL BE PAYING
FOR EVERYTHING. ** If the
TMO is looking for high-end malls, that means they're not going to do
the cheap strip mall option, and they're going to pay through the
nose, like $36/sq.ft (plus maybe another $10/sq.ft. for security,
utilities, taxes, etc. -- http://www.icsc.org/srch/sct/sct1103/
): http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_bad_news_retailers/
In addition, renters at malls usually have to pay a percentage of
sales, something I doubt the TMO is going to be happy about:
http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_hot_topic_long/
In order to have a spa with separate facilities for men and women,
plus a MAPI store, plus a TM center, it sounds like you would need
about 2000 sq. ft. -- at $36/sq.ft. plus taxes etc, that's about
$7500/month. Plus two TM teachers at $4K/month each, one manager at
$5K/month, and 4 other employees at $3K/month, plus payroll taxes.
Total for rent and salaries: about $40K/month (plus whatever the mall
owners collect as percentage of TM store sales). Income from
MAPI products sales could not amount to much -- many of the items are
so overpriced (like honey at $50/lb.) or of little interest to the
general public, so these sales won't amount to much, and if meditators
start to shop for their MAPI products at these mall stores, it would
be merely cannibalizing sales from the MAPI.com web
site. The mall store will have to rely on the income from the
spa and from TM instruction, shooting for one spa treatment a day at
$645/day (taking this figure from The Raj's price list: http://www.theraj.com/rajoffers/panchakarma.html
). But the Raj has always lost money, even in a town with 2000
meditators, many of whom are rich and can afford these pricey
treatments. And, outside of Fairfield, there are many other spas, even
competing Ayurveda spas, that offer similar treatments, often at lower
prices, and usually in more attractive surroundings than a tiny room
in a mall. Initiating one person every day into TM every three
days at $2500, in addition to the one per day for the spa treatment,
would bring in enough money to break even ($645 x 30= $19350 plus
$2500 x 10= $25000, for a total of $44350/month), and a handful of
these mall stores may be able to meet these goals, which have to see a
spa treatment and one initiation every 3 days indefinitely to
stay solvent. But when you multiply the 500 proposed
stores by these numbers for spa treatments and initiations, it amounts
to 15,000 people a month in the USA seeking TM spa treatments -- a
very unlikely figure -- and 5,000 people a month starting TM, a figure
which has not been remotely approached since the wave of initiations
in the 70s after the Merv Griffin shows (when 50,000/month were
learning TM). And I don't see any reason why a different weighting of
needed numbers -- more initiations into TM and fewer spa treatments,
or vice versa -- could come up with a formula that could work for
these mall stores, since there is just not much happening for the TM
movement either in terms of people learning TM or buying Maharishi
Ayurveda treatment. Somebody should call in a consultant from
Booz Allen Hamilton or some other top consulting firm and bounce these
ideas off somebody reasonable before they commit to long-term

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: View






No, actually I mean with the eyes 
since all is one the eyes can also see the absolute or were you not there during 
the last five sutras before the last sutra?

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  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:31 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: 
   On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:06 AM, rudra_joe wrote:   
  In Dzogchen it's called view because one meditates with open eyes 
  and   looks to the bottom of the mind at the absolute. With 
  the eyes. you probably mean with self referral 
  consciousness rather then the physical eyes..  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Look not elsewhere, as the answers 
are before your eyes. But for the dense, the book is called the Srimad Devi 
Bhagavatam. 

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  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:36 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  Bob wrote: The ancient text Srimad Devi 
  Bhagavatam (this is not the more well-known/popular Srimad Bhagavatam) 
  lists the TM mantras, but then cautions that one should not start this 
  powerful meditation casually, but get a qualified teacher, or else the 
  "results will not be good."http://www.21stbooks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story






But all the symbols are the 
same. Because all is one. And when one looks in their daughters eyes they 
also should see Kali, Vishnu, and Jesus, as well as Machig and Yeshe. That is, 
if they all are still extant. I'm really unsure about Jesus. Anyone? Is he still 
here?

Sometimes I think I would throw it 
all away and just be a good Catholic if it meant I could hang with the wife for 
eternity. But I'm too cynical for all that.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:40 
  AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my 
  daughter to meditate- a short story
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: I don't 
  mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too 
  sure, though, about making kids live with "2 elaborate altars with a 3 
  foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and 
  other deities." If I were a kid, that would be the last thing 
  I would want to face every day. It sounds almost 
  frightening. Why not a couple of stone dragons with moving eyes 
  to complete the Haunted Vedic Mansion look?Personally, I'd 
  rather face the oddness of Hindu deities than thebloody gore of a guy 
  nailed to a cross. Fortunately, I faced neitherin my childhood, as I was 
  raised in an atheist/agnostic household,for which I am immensely 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY said there will be lots of money coming in : TTC Announcement-

Title: MMY said there will be lots of money coming in : TTC    Announcement-





Well, I write like this but I 
thought that such things as corporate accounts looked better in proper English. 
But money is good. yes, much money coming in, very good, the spirit is moving. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:43 
  AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] MMY said there 
  will be lots of money coming in : TTC Announcement-
  From: Rob Foundray To: FRAN Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 
  2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: TTC Announcement- OOOPS, the accounts also should be 
  characterized by location (Peace Palace Operating Account for Freehold). 
  Jim is Westfield, John is Neptune, I'm Freehold, June is 
  Randolph/Morristown, and Laurie is Princeton. Jai Guru Dev Greg Hi All, 
  Greetings from Antrum! Maharishi would like us to alert all our friends 
  about the opportunity to help with all the activity that will be generated by 
  the soon-to-be-launched Ad campaign. MMY said there will be lots of 
  money coming in and that everyone would be getting paid well. Let me know if 
  you are interested by leaving a message on my cell phone: 908-770-3138 Also, 
  each of the Governors on the course will need a corporate account with a 
  cosigner. I was thinking of Gordon for me, Dominic for John Burns, 
  either Bob for Jim Dallas (decide between yourselves), Trish for Laurie, and 
  Caren for June Norton. We would like you to open the corporate account 
  tomorrow if possible. First choice would be Bank ofAmerica. PNC or 
  Commerce is also good. Jim said Commerce is free and is open 7 days a 
  week. Let me know by cell phone if you do not want to do it. 
  Otherwise, see if it is OK for you to sign at bank and for you tofax the 
  contract to us here at Antrum so that we can sign and return. Account: 
  Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation (MVED) 04-319-6447 Peace 
  Palace Operating Account (L or M) - each account should be either labeled men 
  or ladies. Address: 1900 Capital Blvd. Maharishi Vedic City, IA 52556 
  641-470-7000 FAX - 641-470-7001 Fax contract to 603-588-4249. Any 
  difficulties, call me at above cellphone number. Jai Guru Dev Greg 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Revised 2005 Tour Schedule for Amma

Title: Revised 2005 Tour Schedule for Amma





Fuck Man, why did she blow off New 
Orleans. I would check her out. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:47 
  AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Revised 2005 
  Tour Schedule for Amma
  
  The 
  following is a revised tour schedule for Amma's 2005 North American Tour. 
  The change relates to Amma's stop in Toronto. The public program 
  in Toronto is now only the evening on July 25th. The retreat will now start on 
  July 26th-July 28th. 28th night is Devi Bhava. 
  2005 North American Tour dates REVISED 
  Canadian dates revised 4/12/05 June 2 Seattle, WA public 
  programJune 3-5 Seattle Retreat, Devi Bhava June 5th June 6 
  travelJune 7-11 San Ramon, CA public programs, Devi 
  Bhava June 11th June 12 no programJune 13-16 San Ramon public 
  programs 17-19 Retreat, Devi Bhava June 19th June 21-22 
  LOS ANGELES, CA public programsJune 23-25 LA retreat, 
  Devi Bhava June 25th June 26 travelJune 27-28 Santa Fe 
  New Mexico public programsJune 29- July 1 Albuquerque, New 
  Mexico retreat, Devi Bhava July 1st July 2 travelJuly 
  3-4- Dallas, Texas public programs, Devi Bhava July 4th July 
  5 travelJuly 6-7 Mt. Pleasant, Iowa public programs, 
  Devi Bhava July 7th July 8 travelJuly 9-10 Chicago, 
  Illinois public programs, Devi Bhava July 10th July 11 
  travelJuly 12-14 Washington, DC public programs, Devi 
  Bhava July 14th July 15 travelJuly 16-18 New York, NY 
  public programs, Devi Bhava July 18th July 19 
  travelJuly 20 Boston, MA public program July 21-23 East 
  Coast retreat Marlborough, MA, Devi Bhava July 23rd 
  CANADAJuly 24 travelJuly 25 evening only, Toronto, Canada 
  public program July 26-28 Toronto retreat Devi Bhava 
  July 28th July 29 travelNamah 
  Shivaya,Amma Fairfield Satsang641-472-8563http://amma-fairfield.org http://amma-fairfield.org/ 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Revised 2005 Tour Schedule for Amma

Title: Revised 2005 Tour Schedule for Amma





Not kidding, I could use a big 
huge hug and someone saying mah mah mah mah, I'm not joking. That would rock. 
You know, I think I like her.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick 
  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:47 
  AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Revised 2005 
  Tour Schedule for Amma
  
  The 
  following is a revised tour schedule for Amma's 2005 North American Tour. 
  The change relates to Amma's stop in Toronto. The public program 
  in Toronto is now only the evening on July 25th. The retreat will now start on 
  July 26th-July 28th. 28th night is Devi Bhava. 
  2005 North American Tour dates REVISED 
  Canadian dates revised 4/12/05 June 2 Seattle, WA public 
  programJune 3-5 Seattle Retreat, Devi Bhava June 5th June 6 
  travelJune 7-11 San Ramon, CA public programs, Devi 
  Bhava June 11th June 12 no programJune 13-16 San Ramon public 
  programs 17-19 Retreat, Devi Bhava June 19th June 21-22 
  LOS ANGELES, CA public programsJune 23-25 LA retreat, 
  Devi Bhava June 25th June 26 travelJune 27-28 Santa Fe 
  New Mexico public programsJune 29- July 1 Albuquerque, New 
  Mexico retreat, Devi Bhava July 1st July 2 travelJuly 
  3-4- Dallas, Texas public programs, Devi Bhava July 4th July 
  5 travelJuly 6-7 Mt. Pleasant, Iowa public programs, 
  Devi Bhava July 7th July 8 travelJuly 9-10 Chicago, 
  Illinois public programs, Devi Bhava July 10th July 11 
  travelJuly 12-14 Washington, DC public programs, Devi 
  Bhava July 14th July 15 travelJuly 16-18 New York, NY 
  public programs, Devi Bhava July 18th July 19 
  travelJuly 20 Boston, MA public program July 21-23 East 
  Coast retreat Marlborough, MA, Devi Bhava July 23rd 
  CANADAJuly 24 travelJuly 25 evening only, Toronto, Canada 
  public program July 26-28 Toronto retreat Devi Bhava 
  July 28th July 29 travelNamah 
  Shivaya,Amma Fairfield Satsang641-472-8563http://amma-fairfield.org http://amma-fairfield.org/ 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story






Actually I was raised as nothing 
as well. Which was good because when I asked my father what the best thing in 
the world was and he said wisdom that left me alot of room to see if he was 
right or not. Luckily my father wasn't Maharishi or he would have told mme that 
the best thing in the world was money, and then I would have fallen from the 
path and become a thug.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Sunshine 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:49 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught 
  my daughter to meditate- a short story
  On Apr 14, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
  Personally, I'd rather face the oddness of Hindu deities 
than thebloody gore of a guy nailed to a 
  cross.I agree. But they are basically different 
  sides of the same coin, IMO. Why make kids face either?
  Fortunately, I faced neitherin my childhood, as 
I was raised in an atheist/agnostic household,for which I am 
immensely grateful.If so, then your parents were 
  certainly a lot more enlightened, in the real, pragmatic sense, than most 
  others of that time.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






Seventh gen is expensive, but 
organic. Yes, that would send the right message. At least the best toilet paper 
for the Peace Palaces. Because, though it looks rude, the act itself would be a 
sacrifice, which is itself very profound. Yes, very very good.Sal will you 
carry this out for North America?I will open a corporate account for you, 
then we could just deliver truckloads of toilet paper on behalf of all the 
Sidhas and Governors. from the renegade Rajanitor 
movement.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sal 
  Sunshine 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:04 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM 
  birthday!
  An excellent idea, and one that would certainly tell 
  them...something. :)Charmin or Seventh Gen?SalOn Apr 
  14, 2005, at 10:50 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
  That 
would be profound in the sense of performance art. I think we should all 
start mailing rolls of toilet paper to our capitols of world peace. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






Anyway, happy 33rd and 34th to you 
guys. I am sick of seeing myself making hundreds of inane comments here. It 
seems I only hear my own voice, so I'll check back later. Ciao, for now. May all 
the blessings of all the ages all spring from your own small voices, and may all 
the blessings from all the ages devolve upon you and make you 
sages.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  rudra_joe 

  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:15 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM 
  birthday!
  
  Seventh gen is expensive, but 
  organic. Yes, that would send the right message. At least the best toilet 
  paper for the Peace Palaces. Because, though it looks rude, the act itself 
  would be a sacrifice, which is itself very profound. Yes, very very 
  good.Sal will you carry this out for North America?I will open a 
  corporate account for you, then we could just deliver truckloads of toilet 
  paper on behalf of all the Sidhas and Governors. from the renegade Rajanitor 
  movement.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sal 
Sunshine 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:04 
AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd 
TM birthday!
An excellent idea, and one that would certainly tell 
them...something. :)Charmin or Seventh Gen?SalOn 
Apr 14, 2005, at 10:50 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
That 
  would be profound in the sense of performance art. I think we should all 
  start mailing rolls of toilet paper to our capitols of world peace. To subscribe, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






For that point, we should TP the 
White House and every institution of corrupted power. That's another million 
dollar FFlife Webdesign idea.www.tpnow.com  We would put Move On off 
the map.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sal 
  Sunshine 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:29 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM 
  birthday!
  A corporate account to deliver toilet paper? I can't think of a 
  better message, actually. It will certainly get them off to a good start, or 
  at least a realistic one. If we can TP every peace palace in N America, just 
  think how much faster enlightenment is sure to descend. TP is sure to set them 
  free.Rajette Sal, esteemed Rajanitor for all of North 
  AmericaOn Apr 14, 2005, at 11:15 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
  Seventh 
gen is expensive, but organic. Yes, that would send the right message. At 
least the best toilet paper for the Peace Palaces. Because, though it looks 
rude, the act itself would be a sacrifice, which is itself very profound. 
Yes, very very good.Sal will you carry this out for North 
America?I will open a corporate account for you, then we could just 
deliver truckloads of toilet paper on behalf of all the Sidhas and 
Governors. from the renegade Rajanitor movement.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






Oh, in that case, generic, since 
their hatred and corruption is so paltry. You're absolutely correct. Choice of 
TP is very important to send the proper message.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sal 
  Sunshine 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:15 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM 
  birthday!
  Definitely the cheap Charmin for that crowd.SalOn 
  Apr 14, 2005, at 12:01 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
  For 
that point, we should TP the White House and every institution of corrupted 
power. That's another million dollar FFlife Webdesign idea.www.tpnow.com 
 We would put Move On off the 
  map.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rudra_joe






Yeah, easy, just use block sender, 
in Outlook. Other proggies have it somewhere else. Good luck 
;)

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:29 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  rudra_joe
  Anyone knows if it could be techically possible to 
  reserve onself from having to receive the writings of this rudra joe, to 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






Oh, ok, what do you mean, 'would 
be?'

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:43 
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  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - 
  what is it
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote: Nah, I'm a fucking cook. I don't do janitorial shit. 
  No, I meant Your job would be the one You saw a need for -- *be* MMY 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rudra_joe






I'm 
reading it here on FFL. Is it possible to block it to prevent this pollution 
hitting my screen in any way ?---Nah, this pollution was 
invited.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rudra_joe






---Oh come on Dude, just skip my posts. Please. For your own good. I 
mean, if I am hurting you then I must go I'm afraid, as that isn't my point in 
being here at all. Or you could just skip them, as onepersons' poison is 
anothers cure. A thorn to take out another thorn and all that. The real cure is 
silence. And for that, one should first close the browser, and then they eyes 
and sit for a moment, and then start the mantra silently in that same effortless 
manner that any other thought arises, not concentrating against thoughts we 
might have or noises we might hear. 






Won't work to scroll down for something intelligent to read with my 
eyes closed I'm afraid...  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"lupidus108" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  
wrote:   on 4/14/05 12:29 PM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:Anyone knows if it 
could be techically possible to reserve  onself   
fromhaving to receive the writings of this rudra joe, to 
be  relieved of   allthat garbage 
?  If you're reading the posts by email, you 
can set up a rule in  your   email   client 
to automatically trash posts from any individual.I'm 
reading it here on FFL. Is it possible to block it to prevent  this 
  pollution hitting my screen in any way 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM birthday!






I really think it would make a 
good website. Donate to TP the Whitehouse. That's real poetry in motion, and I 
would bite. Sure it's illegal, but what kind of freaking terrorist would really 
only TP the Whitehouse. Of course I doubt one could ever get anywhere near 
enough to do it. But consider the future where people successively try harder 
and harder to acheive this task. Of course if it was taken too far then violence 
would result which would be very stupid and aganst the whole effort. So maybe 
something symbolic could be erected maybe in front of the White House, 
likea statue of a toilet paper roll. That certainly wouldn't hurt anyone, 
and the birds would even benefit. It could be cast in gold because we are the 
most powerful country on earth. This golden TP roll is dedicated to the White 
House and the President in the hope of future peace on Earth. It would be 
especially good if it could be seen from the Oval Office. And every freaking day 
for the rest of their lives the people walking by would remember to clean up 
their own fucking mess, just as they were taught as 
children.

If people had merely remained 
simple as they were when kids then such simple wisdom wouldnt be so 
farfetched.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  jim_flanegin 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 33rd TM 
  birthday!
  That is an hilarious image! What a great solution! I 
  hope to see it one day. The only requirement being that the generals and 
  presidents and dictators have to try to carry it out with a straight face. 
  The first one to fall on the ground laughing 'loses'! And the 'defense' 
  budget is limited to say $1000 per country per year. Oh, and the stuff 
  has to be biodegradable also...Jim--- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: Maybe we can 7th Gen. get them to sponsor us. They could 
  call themselves the official toilet paper of the Whitehouse. Official TP 
  of the famed Maharishi. There's so much potential here. Such a shitty 
  idea with so much potential. In the future wars could be fought in the 
  night with toilet paper. It could be dropped from the skies, and 
  everyone would know what it means. You know. The US Gov could TP Iraq, 
  and Iran, and Syria, and Korea, and the whole Axis of Evil, and then 
  they would get the message. We think they're shit. But that wouldn't 
  hurt anyone like uranium 326. And when they got sick of cleaning up 
  the TP then sure let them buy some and do the same to us. War could be 
  fun. Weapons could include I guess, but not be limited to spitbombs, 
  and pencil fights on the front line.   When was it that 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






Us poor peeps has got to stick 
together. The rich are just gonna whip us like mules and ride us down into the 
ground. As enlightenment is of the ground, it comes from the humble base of 
consciousness itself, and therefore should belong to the simplist and most 
humble of folks. Now personally that wouldn't include me since I certainly am 
not simple nor humble, except in my means, which are not including much more 
than about $9.95 and a few quarters. And yeah, well, I have nothing at all to 
do, so I guess that's pretty simple. But I defined it and am now further 
defining it. Don't go any further if you can't handle the truth. This is the 
truth. Om Ah Hung Ho.

Om - somewhere between homey and 
homo
Ah - drinking Cat's Claw Tea, I 
am, what about you?
Hung - Hmmm, can't think of 
anything to add.
Ho - The amazing svabhavakakaya is 
the source of all things like a juicy and hot slut with a gamut of children like 
Varahi.

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:29 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - 
  what is it
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  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote: Oh, ok, what do you mean, 'would be?'*lol* 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rudra_joe






Yeah, the latter 
preferably.

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  Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:16 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  rudra_joe
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "lupidus108" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote: I'm reading it here on FFL. Is it possible to block it 
  to prevent this pollution hitting my screen in any way ?Yes, 
  cancel your Internet access and ship your computer to Ben Creme. You can also 
  try to convince Rick Archer to ban rudra_joe from FFL. Or, you could open a 
  restaurant in NOLA and hire rudra_joe to run it, thus making him too busy to 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available





BTW, New Orleans is going to be under water in your lifetime. 
Plan accordingly.---Source of 
info?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






I personally thought that easyones 
comment to you Rory were anything but easy.

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:49 
  AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC 
  Application Form Now Available
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "easyone200" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  Rory, last time you finally left in a huff 
  after numerous complaints about the impossibility  of avoiding 
  your comments about every single thread, some days responsiblefor 70 to 80 
   percent of all posts. No, that was the first time, and the 
  only huff was yours; it felt rather different on this end :-) The second 
  time was because I was repeating myself, and every Nobody who was going to 
  hear me, had already heard me :-)I believed you were referred to 
  as a cancer and an egomaniac back  then as well. Of course! 
  Did you somehow think I would change? Or that you would? 
  :-)The chemotherapy of complaints that forced the cancerous growth 
  I mean  Goff into remission seems to have failed and the tumor has 
  reappeared. When the groff  returned this time it was only 
  commenting on the obscure but the goff ego could not be  contained 
  and it has metastasized once again blathering about everything. Did the 
  other  group you went to get disgusted and drive the groff away. 
  There is no other group, as far as I know :-)Perhaps we 
  need to try  radiation this time.YES! Please do! I suspect 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






I used to daydream of paddling out 
in my boat from the sixth floor where I lived. ;) Change is the one 
certainty of life, and taxes. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:38 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC 
  Application Form Now Available
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 10:24 AM, rudra_joe 
  wrote: ---Source of info?A friend and 
  glaciologist/geologist who developed what is now known as 'global warming' 
  theory assures me it is not a matter of "if" it is a matter of 
  "when" the Ross Ice shelf (in Antarctica) will "fall". Therefore expect a 
  drastic and catastrophic rise in sea levels--most likely within our 
  lifetimes.Just like putting a frozen turkey in the oven, it takes a 
  while for the center of the turkey to realize it's in the oven and 
  thawing--the bottom of the Antarctic ice-mass just realized that the last 
  ice age ended. It actually ended 12,000 years ago...It'll be 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Best thing, take them to high 
power Vajrayana teachings with HHDL, HH Penor Rinpoche, and so on and let them 
take the highest tantric empowerments as seeds for 
liberation.

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  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:21 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation 
  for kids
  well 2500$ is over my budget for this, so I'm 
  looking elsewhere;but thanks for the info.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 
  4/13/05 9:20 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:hi,  I have a 8 y.o boy that I 
  believe meditation should be a benefit for  him. If anyone has 
  experience or information with what type of  meditation is 
  appropriate for a western kid at that age and would like  to 
  share his/hers ideas it would be appreciated.  There's a TM 
  children's technique, if you can get a renegade TM teacher to 
  teach it to him. Otherwise it's $2500.To 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






There's plenty of renegade TM 
teachers. Rick can prolly refer you to some. Don't give up hope for TM. 


  - Original Message - 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:23 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation 
  for kids
  Do you think that a trained Sidha can teach kids TM 
  without the puja to be effective? or it is important that the kid have an 
  accommodating mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  
  wrote:  hi,  I have a 8 
  y.o boy that I believe meditation should be a benefit for   
  him. If anyone has experience or information with what type of   
  meditation is appropriate for a western kid at that age and would  
  like   to share his/hers ideas it would be appreciated. 
   Walking Word of Wisdom is the TM taught to children under age 10, 
  they  do this "meditation" while playing or walking around for 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Huh? I have no idea. I 
learned TM at fifteen. I know that I feel no stigma teaching TM to my kids, even 
though I feel no especial love for Maharishi's version of his fantasy holt 
tradition, and when I do I'll give them Saraswati mantra and then change it to 
Mahalakshmi mantra when they are older. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vaj 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:29 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
  Don't 
give up hope for TM.Do you 
  feel the walking meditation is effective w/o the sitting 
component?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Or so you were told. My take 
however, not that I'm a Hindu or anything, is that Shakti Kundalini is inherent 
in the Sri Vidya nirguna mantras, which is what TM mantras are for the most part 
except for Maharishi's original Shyam and Shayama, and Ram. Later he learned 
better (prolly found some document).

And when one person who rides the 
snake hands the mantra off to another person then they too get zapped. No fake 
HT needed.

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:48 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:  on 4/13/05 12:23 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:   Do you think that a 
  trained Sidha can teach kids TM without the puja  to be 
  effective? or it is important that the kid have an  
  accommodating mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?  I would 
  say the latter.The shakti of the mantra is instilled during the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






That sounds cool as the kid has 
peers and doesn't learn the method from uncaring adults who give one spewed 
bottled directives from a fake master. The child can learn with other like 
minded kids and develop relationships within the meditation. this sort of 
mindfulness is great. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:49 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:43 PM, anonymousff wrote:
  remember we are talking about bright and happy 8 y.o. and I 
don't want to mess his mind with non-dualism and such or too 
abstractideas, just wish for him a practice to have him feel his inner 
spiritual corethat is beauty and joy beyond the relative ups and 
downs.also to empower his ability to focus and concentrate on a 
taskwithout being distracted etc. I hope you get my 
  grip..Here's the letter the parental units get:Children's 
  Course Parent / Guardian Information LetterThe 
  childrens course offers young people between the ages 8 and 12 years old an 
  introduction to Anapana meditation, which is a practice of the observation of 
  natural breath to concentrate the mind. They will learn to practice Anapana 
  and begin to take their first steps on the path of Dhamma. The entire path of 
  Dhamma, rediscovered and taught by Gotama the Buddha more than 2500 years ago, 
  is a universal remedy for universal problems and has nothing to do with any 
  organized religion or sectarian tradition. For this reason, it can be 
  practiced freely by all, in any place, at any time. Its practice does not 
  conflict with any race, community or religion and will prove equally 
  beneficial to one and all.Young people who have started practicing 
  Anapana have realized many benefits. Their ability to concentrate becomes 
  enhanced, their memory gets sharper, their ability to comprehend a subject 
  improves and they become calmer. In general, they feel they have a practical 
  tool to use in the face of any type of adversity or challenge.During 
  the course, there will be meditation instructions as well as other activities 
  such as games, art, and storytelling. The children will be divided into groups 
  according to their age for many activities. They will be assigned counselors 
  who will personally accompany and assist them throughout the course, providing 
  support and guidance as needed.The intent of the childrens course is 
  serious. It is not appropriate for children who are too young or otherwise 
  unable to follow directions or to participate in organized, self-modulating 
  activities. It is also not appropriate for children who are unable to 
  understand the meaning or purpose of the daily timetable and Code of Conduct. 
  Segregation of the sexes will be maintained at all times in the accommodations 
  as well as in the meditation hall and during much of the course.It is 
  not mandatory that a parent or guardian accompanies your child to the course. 
  Parents or guardians who are students of Goenkaji or his assistant teachers 
  are welcome to stay at the center and participate in work projects. Since 
  parents or guardians will not be participating in the course, they will follow 
  a separate schedule. They will also be accommodated separately from the 
  children. Only those children who feel comfortable staying in separate 
  accommodations from their parents are encouraged to attend. We ask that 
  parents and affiliated adults refrain from communicating with or contacting 
  their children throughout the course. Parents or guardians who have not 
  completed a ten-day course with Goenkaji or his assistant teachers are welcome 
  to stay with their children during registration, but should then leave the 
  center until the course is over. There are numerous hotels, motels and 
  campsites in the area.Before applying for the course, please make 
  sure that both you and your child have read and understood the Code of Conduct 
  and Sample 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Or so it's said, if one doesn't 
understand that the Holy Tradition, all Holy Traditions are here and now, not 
there and then, then of course they must invoke something. 
Hahahhaha.

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  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:30 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 2:19 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
  Or 
so you were told.No he's 
  telling it like it is--the TM puja is both an invocation of the lineage and a 
  prana-pratishtha rite to establish the shakti in the 
mantra.


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[FairfieldLife] Fw: Global Country

- Original Message - 
From: Kirk 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: Global Country

Dear Sirs, 

 I am an 
MIU grad. But I am no longer affiliated with your fragmented and bogus 
movement run by the madman Maharishi. Just because TM is a profound 
technique, that absolutely doesn't mean you can crush your previous accolytes 
into submission, adjure their wealth, which they have struggled to earn, and 
then decommissionthose followers who have made 
you. 

 You 
people are fools. Fools. And your stupid and dispicable movement of 
uncompassionate behavior will go nowhere. I am your sworn enemy. I stand true to 
the standards of spirituality set by true and compassionate and enlightened 
lineages. For that reason you have been crushed in my heart, and I will do what 
I can to crush your stupid initiatives in the future. 

 So live 
and learn. If it's Brahman then consider this a wake up call.The only holiness 
you feel is in your mind, and it doesn't translate to your previous following, 
and it won't translate to your future nonfollowing. Money is not Brahman. Your 
programs are a disgrace. To follow that megalomaniac Maharishi is insane. So Jai 
Guru Dev. Have woonderful lives in your fantasykingdoms. Hahahahhaha. The 
joke's on you. 

In 
Truth
Kirk 
Bernhardt - MIU Class of 87

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Global Country

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Global Country





Not ifI show up with 
cash

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  From: 
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  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Global 
  Country
  on 4/13/05 3:34 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  - Original Message - From: 
Kirk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:34 PMSubject: Global 
CountryDear Sirs, 
I am an MIU grad. 
But I am no longer affiliated with your fragmented and bogus movement 
run by the madman Maharishi. Just because TM is a profound technique, 
that absolutely doesn't mean you can crush your previous accolytes into 
submission, adjure their wealth, which they have struggled to earn, and then 
decommission those followers who have made 
you. You people are fools. 
Fools. And your stupid and dispicable movement of uncompassionate behavior 
will go nowhere. I am your sworn enemy. I stand true to the standards of 
spirituality set by true and compassionate and enlightened lineages. For 
that reason you have been crushed in my heart, and I will do what I can to 
crush your stupid initiatives in the future. So live and learn. If 
it's Brahman then consider this a wake up call.The only holiness you feel is 
in your mind, and it doesn't translate to your previous following, and it 
won't translate to your future nonfollowing. Money is not Brahman. Your 
programs are a disgrace. To follow that megalomaniac Maharishi is insane. So 
Jai Guru Dev. Have woonderful lives in your fantasy kingdoms. Hahahahhaha. 
The joke's on you. In 
TruthKirk 
Bernhardt - MIU Class of 87Kirk, this could 
  seriously jeopardize your TTC application. To 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Global Country






And any 
leniency on your 100K in loans...you might wanna send that in real 
soon...Hahhah, my loans 
have been long consolidated and out of movement reach. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Global Country






I hate bogus authority which acts 
for it's own sake. I have issues. Yes. And you say so because I make them known. 
I could just be a milksop sitting in the corner never standing for anything I 
believe in as well. Just taking the abuse like a beaten wife with stoicism. But 
that's not my way. I'vebeen burned at the stake before by 
theCatholics whoalso were on a bogus power trip and nothing at all 
close to what Jesus was like or wanted to be like. More like what Constantine 
wanted. Did that shut my mouth? Nah.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  jim_flanegin 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:46 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Global 
  Country
  I love you but you've got issues, 
  Dude.Jim--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  - Original Message -  From: Kirk 
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  Sent: Wednesday, 
  April 13, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: Global Country  
   Dear Sirs,   I am an 
  MIU grad. But I am no longer affiliated with your fragmented and 
  bogus movement run by the madman Maharishi. Just because TM is a 
  profound technique, that absolutely doesn't mean you can crush your 
  previous accolytes into submission, adjure their wealth, which they have 
  struggled to earn, and then decommission those followers who have made 
  you.   You people are fools. 
  Fools. And your stupid and dispicable movement of uncompassionate behavior 
  will go nowhere. I am your sworn enemy. I stand true to the standards of 
  spirituality set by true and compassionate and enlightened lineages. For 
  that reason you have been crushed in my heart, and I will do what I can to 
  crush your stupid initiatives in the future.  
   So live and learn. If it's Brahman then 
  consider this a wake up call.The only holiness you feel is in your mind, 
  and it doesn't translate to your previous following, and it won't 
  translate to your future nonfollowing. Money is not Brahman. Your programs 
  are a disgrace. To follow that megalomaniac Maharishi is insane. So Jai 
  Guru Dev. Have woonderful lives in your fantasy kingdoms. Hahahahhaha. 
  The joke's on you.  
   
  In 
  Truth 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Global Country






Yeah!

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  On Apr 13, 2005, at 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So 
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  medium or well done?Ah come on, the guy lives in NOLA--pan 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Global Country






I understand, but by screaming at them if they are as ignorant as 
you are proclaiming, they will just heap scorn upon you, think you are 
crazy and go blithely about their ways. It honestly accomplishes nothing, 
except allowing you to vent.


Venting is ok. Nothing lost, 
but maybe someone with some sense might get a clue.
I've thought long and hard about the perennial subtext of many 
messages here; if Maharishi is so enlightened, then why is the Movement 
[that he started] so awful?

Because he's actually 
ignorant. No? being diabetic and eating ice cream for a week is ignorant. 
Then touting ayurveda above medicine and still using medicine is the wrong 
message. He's very backwards. I bet you anything on earth that in The Mid East 
you will find some of the most charismatic and peaceful, beautiful shaktifull 
people you've ever gotten darshan from --- who are throwbacks to the dark 
ages.Perhaps it is because he and Guru Dev have set the 
goal of enlightening the world in one lifetime; obviating ~250 generations 
of ignorance times about 8 billion souls on the planet.

Fanatical thinking at best, 
completely blind and dullwitted at worst. How can you enlighten 8 billion people 
when not a single Movement person is enlightened as per maharishi's own 
definition? Hahahahah. You lose!That can't be 
easy! And who does he attract? Probably a lot of desperate people, who 
indulge in the same ignorant games within the Movement as they would've 
outside it.

He 
failed!And at the same time, he must continue to move 
the ball forward so to speak; continue to enlarge the spread and breadth of 
his Knowledge, while maintaining its purity. 

Yada yada. His 
knowledge. BS. His borrowed knowledge and his phoney holy 
tradition.I was fortunate in that I worked for the 
Movement for two and a half years when I really had nothing else to do, 
worked hard, earned my benefits, made my conclusions, and moved on. No money 
lost, learned the TM-Sidhis program and did lots of rounding. Salary was $5 
to $25/month, room and board fit for a serf, but who cares, I wasn't in 
it for the money or power.

So you don't feel used 
then.I was aware there were people there, pretty 
clueless actually who were in it for their own aggrandizement (big fish in a 
little pond syndrome I call it). Whatever, that is their business and their 
problem and I'll have nothing to do with it.
I never had anything to do 
with it, and I still don't. 
My advice (since you asked, ha ha)would be to just let it go.

---Well what else can I do Jim. I 
let go with a yell. If Jesus, and Buddha, and Shankara, and Nanak all couldn't 
enlighten the world, and they left legacies which still resonate, inspire us to 
build worlds of greatness in our hearts and not in the streets, and which still 
guide, based on aspiration to be moral, compasionate and wise, then what makes 
someone think that some medieval throwback to some nonexistant dreamed of 
reality called Vedic civilization, ostensably merely some fantasy, how can such 
a master of dimness take the world to some higher ground. It's Bullshit. 
Maharishi is bullshit, and I could also give someone a technique that I merely 
shitted out on a shingle, with some great high falutin philosophy and it would 
move someone and they would follow, then give me their bodies and souls and 
money and children's money, and guess what. If I was a megalomaniac I would take 
it, and ask for more. Bye for now. Jim --- 
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: I hate bogus authority which acts for it's own sake. I have 
issues. Yes. And you say so because I make them known. I could just be a 
milksop sitting in the corner never standing for anything I believe in as 
well. Just taking the abuse like a beaten wife with stoicism. But that's not 
my way. I've been burned at the stake before by the Catholics who also were 
on a bogus power trip and nothing at all close to what Jesus was like or 
wanted to be like. More like what Constantine wanted. Did that shut my 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM and Ramtha: a winning team...






But it was a mistake for an official spokesman for the TM movement, 
John Hagelin, to appear in a film directed by the Ramtha-hoax people (an 
error compounded by Hagelin's speaking at a Ramtha-sponsored "Prophets' 
Conference" in Santa Monica earlier this year. 


---It only seems to be a mistake when one thinks of 
what should have been and what will be but not when one looks at the situation 
exactly for what it is.


It links a derided cult (the Ramtha one) with a "group" (the TM 
folks) that's trying for respectability and receptivity in the scientific 
community, 

Well that's never going to happen as TM is not 
science. The experience anyone has from TM is not quantifiable. Only people who 
are more into hypotheticals and proving a point, whether it is true or not, ie., 
people of the same ilk, nay conspiracy to make links that don't truely exist for 
whatever allegorical or religious reason are into TM or any religion as being 
some sort of scientific thing. Who wants a god of science. That's crude, crass, 
inhuman, and vulgar. Religion should be administered by humans, and science by 
science. Maybe you want your computer telling you how to meditate. I have no 
doubt that this will be so. But where then is the inner experience? That's 
the extrapolation of science as religion. Machine say, you human prostrate 
because that means you are humble and therefore pious, never understanding that 
to prostrate is to take refuge in the unfathomable Dharmata. (From my POV, feel 
free to believe me or not, if I was a real fucking asshole I would tell you that 
it's very scientific to make prostrations to the Dharmata, and beneficial in a 
scientific manner).

Any scientist who entertains the notion of a 
religion being scientific isn't a scientist but a philosopher. It's only fair to 
make these statements since science is science and religion is religion and when 
they cease to have any meaning then grasshopper you may go. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story






P.S. I've 
got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want 
hear is about other little kidslurk---Wow Man, I've heard it all. I thought it was really a fine 
story and great. I've encountered every single viepoint here at this group on 
everything. You're a fine and smart group of peeps. I guess that's why I keep 
coming back here, because the whole world comes to them who wait. I liked it 
Ben, Thanks. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Global Country






But as a final adendum to what I 
previously wrote, as the sacrifice of purusha to purusha the sort of sacrifice 
demanded of the truely pious by Maharishi would tend to make some people saints. 
I guess. I'm sorry to you peeps for maybe saying that you did wrong or anything 
because you didn't. What you did was follow your hearts and that was beautiful. 
And I applaud you all for it. You guys rock. For real. Party 
On.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  rudra_joe 

  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: 
  Global Country
  
  Thank You 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
jim_flanegin 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:28 
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Global 
Country
Hey thanks Kirk for giving it some thought. You are a 
brilliant and insightful man, WITH STRONG OPINIONS!All the 
Best,Jim--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
wrote:  I understand, but by screaming at them if they 
are as ignorant as  you are proclaiming, they will just heap scorn 
upon you, think you  are crazy and go blithely about their ways. It 
honestly accomplishes  nothing, except allowing you to 
vent.   Venting is ok. Nothing lost, but maybe 
someone with some sense might get a clue.   I've 
thought long and hard about the perennial subtext of many  messages 
here; if Maharishi is so enlightened, then why is the  Movement 
[that he started] so awful?  Because he's actually 
ignorant. No? being diabetic and eating ice cream for a week is 
ignorant. Then touting ayurveda above medicine and still using medicine 
is the wrong message. He's very backwards. I bet you anything on earth 
that in The Mid East you will find some of the most charismatic and 
peaceful, beautiful shaktifull people you've ever gotten darshan from 
--- who are throwbacks to the dark ages.  Perhaps it is 
because he and Guru Dev have set the goal of  enlightening the world 
in one lifetime; obviating ~250 generations  of ignorance times 
about 8 billion souls on the planet.  Fanatical thinking 
at best, completely blind and dullwitted at worst. How can you enlighten 
8 billion people when not a single Movement person is enlightened as per 
maharishi's own definition? Hahahahah. You lose!  
That can't be easy! And who does he attract? Probably a lot of  
desperate people, who indulge in the same ignorant games within the 
 Movement as they would've outside it.  He 
failed!  And at the same time, he must continue to move the 
ball forward so  to speak; continue to enlarge the spread and 
breadth of his  Knowledge, while maintaining its purity.  
 Yada yada. His knowledge. BS. His borrowed knowledge and 
his phoney holy tradition.  I was fortunate in that I 
worked for the Movement for two and a half  years when I really 
had nothing else to do, worked hard, earned my  benefits, made my 
conclusions, and moved on. No money lost, learned  the TM-Sidhis 
program and did lots of rounding. Salary was $5 to  $25/month, room 
and board fit for a serf, but who cares, I wasn't in  it for the 
money or power.  So you don't feel used then. 
 I was aware there were people there, pretty clueless actually who 
 were in it for their own aggrandizement (big fish in a little pond 
 syndrome I call it). Whatever, that is their business and their 
 problem and I'll have nothing to do with it.  I 
never had anything to do with it, and I still don't.   My 
advice (since you asked, ha ha)would be to just let it go.  
---Well what else can I do Jim. I let go with a yell. If Jesus, and 
Buddha, and Shankara, and Nanak all couldn't enlighten the world, and 
they left legacies which still resonate, inspire us to build worlds of 
greatness in our hearts and not in the streets, and which still guide, 
based on aspiration to be moral, compasionate and wise, then what makes 
someone think that some medieval throwback to some nonexistant dreamed 
of reality called Vedic civilization, ostensably merely some fantasy, 
how can such a master of dimness take the world to some higher ground. 
It's Bullshit. Maharishi is bullshit, and I could also give someone a 
technique that I merely shitted out on a shingle, with some great high 
falutin philosophy and it would move someone and they would follow, then 
give me their bodies and souls and money and children's money, and guess 
what. If I was a megalomaniac I would take it, and ask for more. Bye for 
now.   Jim 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story






Yeah, I write as if I'm broken 
hearted but I'm actually just constantly blown away by the audacity and sheer 
callousness of the Maharishi at this point. It's like he's his own archnemesis. 
I just don't get it. I yell, but I'm absolutely positive that it's too late. 
Maharishi the diabetic is going to eat ice cream all week even if it kills 
him.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:10 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my 
  daughter to meditate- a short story
  I thoroughly enjoyed your story. The fact that 
  lurkermore apparently hasa less-than-fulfilling relationship with his kids 
  isn't your problem. I havekids as well and really enjoy hearing 
  other parents tell their stories - pass-ing your wisdom to your kids is a 
  way of gaining quasi-immortality.And wives with kids can be just as 
  exploratory and interested in a widerange of things as anyone else. 
  I know from direct experience.Thanks again for your story - it touched 
  quite a few things in me, althoughI think I got over being broken-hearted 
  a while ago. TM has always beenwonderful, from my point of 
  view. The TMO and MMY ran off the trackssome time back - just the 
  way these things go...--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "benjaminccollins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
  Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I 
  probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the 
  experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true 
  thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap.  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "lurkernomore20002000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  snsnip  My kids all know that I meditate, 
  and that I do pujas, and go to the   Hindu Temple. There 
  are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all   part of their 
  world. But I have never pushed it on them. We talk  
   about it at times, and they know that if I don't meditate I get 
cranky.snip   
   The puja room is bed room sized and   
  contains my spiritual library and 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot 
stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi and 
  other   deities.snip  
(For some reason people think other people want to hear every 
  cute   little detail about their kids.) By the way Ben, just 
  curious, is   there a wife in this picture somewhere. I mean it's 
  quite a get up you   have and wives with kids tend get pretty 
  mainstream.P.S. I've got three young kids of my 
  own. Maybe that's why the last   thing I want hear is about 
  other little kids
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[FairfieldLife] On Maharishi Being a Thief






Does anyone think he's the Second Coming because 
Jesus said he would come like a theif in the night.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it






 Can anyone explain how a yagya works? 

It works when it's spelled yagya and doesn't work when it's spelled yajna. 
Like this, a yagya is a yah boi, with a God soma nod, and a return shout out 
like yah, guh, yah. But a yajna doesn't work at all because who says yah Jah 
nah?! That's a shout out to God with a denial of omnipresence. That doesn't 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: On Maharishi Being a Thief






Even the thief in the night leaves a scrap of toilet paper. Maha 
strips you down to the bones. so he probably is not the second 
coming.---Sometimes the second coming uses the last scrap of toilet 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






The obvious 
conclusion is that MMY is a dreamer, but not very 
realiztic.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:32 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Dinner 
  with Dr. Mahapatra
  Let me get this right:MMY is a diabetic (very 
  treatable by Ayurveda BTW) with coronary artery disease, status post 
  myocardial infarction, and a very paranoid megalomaniac after world power 
  who steals money from the dying and dead? Oh yeah he also uses western 
  medicine while telling others to avoid it.Now, please correct me 
  if I am wrong here, I thought enlightened physiology meant perfect health? 
  Isn't CAD a stress related disease? Repeated studies independent of the 
  TMO has shown that a radical vegetarian diet and meditation, properly 
  done, reverses CAD. What's wrong with this picture?What's the 
  obvious conclusion here?On Apr 11, 2005, at 11:36 PM, anonymousff 
  wrote: Written by a friend of mine about a year ago after 
  he had dinner with Dr. Mahapatra 
   He says he was M's personal physician from about 87 
  to 91. His English was a bit hard to understand so I'll do my best to 
  relay some of the interesting things he said. After 
  91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him as one of the people in 
  charge of a group of 6000 boys (M calls them pundits...). At some 
  point M's family told M that they didn't like what was going on with 
  the big group (I don't have any details) and M dismantled the whole 
  thing sending all the boys home to all the families consternation. 
  Maha Patra was in the dog house after that, which sounded like about 
  95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable dealing with all the boys 
  families during that time. Patra said in 87 he was called to 
  M's side in Noida, India and M was rolling on the ground, screaming 
  with the pain. He had pancreitis (sorry for spelling). Patra put him 
  on a pain killer and a sedative. M eventually went to England for 6 
  months or so for treatment for this. M is diabetic and his family has 
  a history of diabetes. I wonder if his high sugar intake had anything 
  to do with it? When in England everything was kept very secret. When 
  some reporters heard he was at a particular hotel, they would rapidly 
  disappear to another location. During that time M had his heart 
  attack. I didn't get much of the details. M didn't have heart surgery 
  but he did have angeoplasty at a hospital in Holland. M used western 
  drugs and western hospitals while promoting Ayurveda as the be all and 
  end all. M has good days and bad days and has variety of health 
  problems. He stays out of view on the bad days. Patra 
  says M is a megamaniac after world power, (we're all surprised). He 
  says the only ones M trusts are his family members, who he gives 
  untold millions to. M thinks all Americans are CIA and is really 
  paranoid. M asked him if he could test the blood of M's relatives to 
  see if someone was trying to poison them. He says M's family members 
  are not all good people or ethical people and that they have undue 
  influence on M's decisions. He had not heard any stories of M with  
  women. Patra said he spoke with Deepak, his friend, who told 
  him that all the problems started one time when Deepak had to leave M 
  and M wanted him to not go. Deepak told M that he had speaking 
  engagements for thousands of people all set up and he had to go. M 
  said he heard that Deepak was promoting Deepak and not M. Deepak said 
  he always promoted M. M continued to be more negative and suspicious 
  and things broke down from there. Patra says when anyone gets too 
  popular in the movement or has too much of a following M cans 
  them. Patra said when they had the clinic for the very 
  seriously ill at Noida that M would promise them all healing. With 
  severe cases the Vaijyas would tell M that they could only do so much. 
  Patra was trained as an Oncologist and saw people he knew would die. M 
  would promise them healing, then they would die. M would send out his 
  people to collect the huge bills from the bereaved families after the 
  people had died. He said he found that very upsetting. 
  Patra said when he first started seeing M, M wanted him to work for 
  the movement. He told Patra to not go back to hospitals anymore. Patra 
  was about to get married and go into practice, but because of what M 
  said he didn't. M told him the movement would support him and have a 
  bank account he could draw on. He was to have 2 cooks an 2 
  secretaries. None of that materialized and he was given no money. Now 
  he is in the US, can't pass the medical exams which he could have 
  passed many years ago, and he is taking business courses. He does 
  yagyas full time for Ralph Taylor, and has a group of 60 boys in India 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






1. How one who is U.C can not be realistic?


Because of 
personality, a dreamer and unrealistic personality will not become realistic and 
sensible through consciousness and physiological functioning. They will be very 
'normal' but we all know what that means now. Basically nothing. But 
basically a sense of good humor and health. 

As said, a 
demon who is in unity will be a very effective demon. One might say, but isn't 
someone in unity really deserving of unity through good deeds and so on. I say 
no, that a person in unity is merely someone who made the connection, and 
nothing more. Being in unity doesn't make soup out of soap. 


Moreover, 
liberation is causeless or it will have a beginning and end. One is 
already liberated, but merely caught in the sheet and too lazy to struggle to 
get out of bed. Liberation takes one by force or it 
doesn't.

A big problem 
in enlightenment is not acting from the POV of the Absolute with it's opulent 
nature of wisdom and compassion, but again falling into the energetic realm of 
thought and karma which is the realm of the Devas. the Devas fight wars 
constantly so to act on behalf of a Deva is to throw away the human condition 
with it's divinity which transcends all. Too many yajnas make one crazy. 
Too much association with Devas makes one very dualistic. One needs always to 
remember the source course and goal as being of the one flavor of the Absolute, 
and not get caught up. MMY got caught up. It's obvious, as obvious as spoiled 
agar. Undoing the effects of karmic overreaching is the act of the wise, not 
rebuilding the entire world.

2. On what basis one who has fragmented reality decide if something 
is "realistic"?

On the basis of 
sheer fact of existance as already being unity regardless of anything. 
You're in unity whether you like it or not, or realize it or not. And upon 
realization, one still has to put out the garbage on thursday because it will 
stink by friday. One who is in unity realizes that all are in unity and that as 
there is one unity so also everyone is important, as important as one's own 
mother. 

3. Where is my darn coffee?

Make it and wake 
up!

4. How can gurus 
act like total dipshits. 

Lack of wisdom and 
integrity, or knowledge. 


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wrote: The obvious conclusion is that MMY is a dreamer, but not very 
realiztic. - Original Message - 
 From: Vaj  To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 
6:32 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Dinner with Dr. 
Mahapatra   Let me get this right: 
 MMY is a diabetic (very treatable by Ayurveda BTW) with 
coronary artery  disease, status post myocardial 
infarction, and a very paranoid  megalomaniac after world 
power who steals money from the dying and  dead? Oh yeah 
he also uses western medicine while telling others to  
avoid it.  Now, please correct me if I am wrong 
here, I thought enlightened  physiology meant perfect 
health? Isn't CAD a stress related disease?  Repeated 
studies independent of the TMO has shown that a radical  
vegetarian diet and meditation, properly done, reverses CAD. What's 
 wrong with this picture?  
What's the obvious conclusion here?   On Apr 
11, 2005, at 11:36 PM, anonymousff wrote:  
  Written by a friend of mine about a year ago after 
he had dinner with  Dr. 
Mahapatra   
   He says he was M's 
personal physician from about 87 to 91. His English  
was a bit hard to understand so I'll do my best to relay some of 
the  interesting things he said. 
  After 91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him 
as one of the people  in charge of a group of 6000 
boys (M calls them pundits...). At some  point M's 
family told M that they didn't like what was going on 
with  the big group (I don't have any details) and M 
dismantled the whole  thing sending all the boys 
home to all the families consternation.  Maha Patra 
was in the dog house after that, which sounded like 
about  95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable 
dealing with all the boys  families during that 
time.   Patra said in 87 he was 
called to M's side in Noida, India and M was  
rolling on the ground, screaming with the pain. He had 
pancreitis  (sorry for spelling). Patra put him on a 
pain killer and a sedative. M  eventually went to 
England for 6 months or so for treatment for this.  
M is diabetic and his family has a history of diabetes. I wonder 
if  his high sugar intake had anything to do with it? 
When in England  everything was kept very secret. 
When some reporters heard he was at a  particular 
hotel, they would rapidly disappear to another location. 
 During that time M had his heart attack. I didn't get much of 
the  details. M didn't have heart surgery but he did 
have angeoplasty at a  hospital in Holland. M used 
western drugs and western hospitals while  promoting 
Ayurveda as the be all and end all. M has good days and 
bad  days and h

Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY chart (GJ)






Ah, just sign up at 
www.astroastro.com 


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  You'd have to buy the program or mail me back-channel and 
  I'll gladly send it to you.Please make sure your birth info is 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with...






Having been raised with creativeÕs in and around the theater, a 
disjointed personal life seems rather consistent in the daily habits of 
unusual people. I watched for years as brilliant minds collapsed once off 
stage, strangely and profoundly reconstituting once back in character. 
Just an observation, hearing in advance footsteps of hobgoblins in 
search of consistency. ---yeah, the cycle of fullness to emptiness, the wheel of 
samsara, solve et coagula. Life is cycles, and artists realize their 
epiphany through art, and feel hollow when not creating. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






 A noble aspiration, but one which will relegate large portions 
of yourSelf to the dustbin.Enlightened-Mind possesses no real 
Self-Nature, so this is fine, that's where notion of permanent Self are 
ultimately bound.Moreover, the nature of the Absolute itself is compassion and wisdom. 
To not have these is to not be awakened. You say, hah! you contradicted 
yourself! Hahaha, Kirk you suck! You contradicted youself where you said 
before that even demons could be in unity. But Hahahaha, I say right back, a 
demon will act from it's level of wisdom and compassion, by killing, enslaving, 
and expanding your maya, because demons aren't given to great thought, great 
compassion or great wisdom. Enlightened demons are the worst. Don't get 
involved with enlightened demons. Jeez, you want a harsh taskmaster? A stupid 
awakened one still can't write, read, or do math, but they're still 
awakened. If it wasn't the case then from the start of time people would 
have had to go first through all of schooling to make sure they were on the 
level first. But such is obviously not the case. I saw a very awakened 
slug once eating my San pedro cactus. It was grooving on life. I could see it 
glow. Awakened but of no great use to me personally. 

I was very able to 
cook all sorts of things many times but was pigeonholed into some station or 
another. Awakening didn't change that. I still had to work say, fry station, or 
saute, instead of production, or being the chef. Not every awakened person gets 
the crown, not every awakened person gets acknowlegement, not every awakened 
person wants the crown or acknoledgement. 

Yeah, watch your 
karma. Awakening doesn't change karma, except insofar as it brings wisdom and 
compassion. So instead of driving 60 in a school zone when in the heady bliss of 
freedom, and then hitting a school kid, and going to prison where one will be 
awakened in prison, instead one slows down, because they may hit someone. 
Foresight, insight, wisdom, compassion, the true path makes use of these and 
doesn't put it all on autopilot where whatever one does is right. because 
karmically speaking, it's not!


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






WHOSE Suffering? WHO is 
suffering?:-)---You keep saying this. I am suffering, always. Always. I 
go from thing to thing always wanting more. When I'm hungry I feel weak. When I 
run out of weed my mind gets really pitta and feels like exploding. Like 
now. No suffering? Good for you. The suffering I feel is the source of my desire 
for liberation. And always was. The fact of constant change makes all relative 
solutions invalid. Sure, I absolutely don't suffer, as when I stepped out of 
time when my father died. But karmically speaking, I have been caught up in 
suffering since I entered the womb and every day and moment since then. Except 
when I was fucked up or in samadhi. But my guess is also that if you were you 
wouldn't be asking vapid questions. If we understand that we are the 
Absolute then can we understand that someone must cook and someone must wash 
dishes. Otherwise, no cooking, no eating, much suffering. Heaven on Earth is 
right now, as I have always maintained, but being relative heaven must also 
change and so is not a solution to misery. Nonetheless, heaven must be served, 
how do you take yours? I would be glad to hook it up if I could. 



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Nobody does it.:-)--then who writes these 
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 ---You keep saying this. I am suffering, always. Always. I go from 
thing to thing always wanting more. Rory:Bingo! Only "I" is 
suffering; the rest is a mirror. But actually, no "I" don't. That is Self 
(or non-self if you prefer) believing it is the dream, believing it is self, 
the ego, some thought/feeling or other; that which changes. When we impose 
some condition on what IS, we suffer.

---YeahRudraJoe:When I'm hungry I feel 
weak. Rory:Yes, when the body is hungry it feels weak. So?
Yeah, So share 
people share.
RudraJoe:When I run out of weed my mind gets really pitta and 
feels like exploding. Like now. Rory:Yes, the mind feels 
like exploding. So?

So share people 
share.RudraJoe:No suffering? Good for you. The 
suffering I feel is the source of my desire for liberation. 
Rory:How the hell can you desire what you already ARE? Fool! 
:-)

Yeah, that 
which is hungry desires food. That which is suffering desires freedom from 
suffering. Life is desire, no desire is no life. Nirvana. That which feels 
nothing goes on.RudraJoe:And always was. The 
fact of constant change makes all relative solutions invalid. 
Rory:Bingo. So? Why keep on identifying with them then? Obviously 
attempting to identify with impermanence causes suffering. Nature's way 
of telling us we are thinking something incorrect, something which IS 
not.

Nature delights 
in diversity, and impermanence. The only thing nature is telling me is to 
score.RudraJoe:Sure, I absolutely don't suffer, 
as when I stepped out of time when my father died. But karmically speaking, 
I have been caught up in suffering since I entered the womb and every day 
and moment since then. Rory:Yes, constantly identifying with the 
movie of one's own projecting. Suffering.

RudraJoe:Except when I was fucked up 
or in samadhi. But my guess is also that if you were you wouldn't be asking 
vapid questions. Rory:I am here because I have absolutely 
nothing better to do than to better Understand You, and so to better 
Understand mySelf.

But you're not 
helping me so much as words don't bring home the bacon. Except 
sometimes.RudraJoe:If we understand that we are 
the Absolute then can we understand that someone must cook and someone must 
wash dishes. Otherwise, no cooking, no eating, much suffering. 
Rory:Still drawing a distinction between Absolute and Relative. Both 
just concepts. What IS, is neither Absolute nor Relative -- isn't it?

Yeah, some good 
points.RudraJoe:Heaven on Earth is right now, as 
I have always maintained, but being relative heaven must also change and so 
is not a solution to misery. Rory:Can't pin our "oughts" and 
shoulds" on anything; that way lies madness. Relative is just a concept. 
Inside and outside, self and other are just concepts. Believing in concepts 
implies suffering.

Believing in 
concepts implies a mind not in touch with the Ground of 
Being.RudraJoe:Nonetheless, heaven must be served, 
how do you take yours? I would be glad to hook it up if I 
could.Rory:Love you, Kirk! Thanks for trying so hard. I do 
appreciate it. We already are what we're striving for; we just forget 
sometimes.

I remember, but 
I have soo much energy that I'm going berserk with it. Thanks for being so 
vast.Your Buddha-buddy :-)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






No? Yes? Any difference between the two? How can we 
condition the Absolute? Doesn't that make it Relative? Aren't both of these 
already just concepts, themselves conditioned?No more than a hole to fall into. 



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[FairfieldLife] Guts






Just curious what people think about maharishi's 
programmes and whether they resound positively on the gut level. BTW, I 
got a response from the Raaj of the Central and when I saw the price tag, I'm 
afraid I said, "20,000 bucks are you fucking crazy? Get Lost!" Afraid I scared 
the Raaj. Us humans, we just can't get with them 
Asuras.


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By hook or by crook Brahman eats you.
 -Peter


-This is a favorite topic of mine.  To wit, if liberation is forever 
then it cannot have a changing cause. So Brahman must eat you. 



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The reason anyone 
here understands anything I say is because you are all familiar with the 
terminology. My eloquence couldn't be replicated for the masses. But thanks 
:)

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Us humans, we just can't get with them Asuras."Us"? 
"Them"?Ok, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






It was good ice 
cream. Hard to beat. 

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  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 
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   There was a stretch in Seelisberg where he ate nothing but ice cream 
  for two weeks.Ahh, yes! The famous Seelisberg Diet Plan! 
  Try it for two weeks and I guarantee you too will be a diabetic Maharishi. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






That's what I 
meant. Or perhaps, like camphor which evaporates soo also do all one's great 
works for the guru.

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  Available   20,000 dollars, 
  are you fucking crazy? Get lost.You mean before you needed to be 
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[FairfieldLife] Oh Shit






yikes. Liberation 
demands you. It's your head. So now it's mine says Kali. So 
you might as well just give it. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






Technically, one 
beats cream with a beater, or whips it with a whip. Noone makes Ice Cream 
by stirring it, or it would take forever to make and then people like Maharishi 
would live longer not pandering to their own death wish being diabetics, and not 
feel the pressure to make us sell out our friends and families for him, so as to 
liberate them from the evil clutches of maya. You see. Beating is the key, 
not stirring. We must beat things for the Maharishis. Stirring just isn't gonna 
cut it you hear me Rory?I told you you wouldn't make it in the kitchen. 
But as a customer, well, come back later, the ice cream isn't ready. 


Ah nevermind, we're 
shortstaffed. I'll work with you until you can beat it just right;) No I 
didn't mean it like that, I was just kidding. I mean it. 

On the other hand 
we can all just stop and do nothing and let things go to hell. Usually I figured 
that that's what had happened anyway. And I was just left picking up the 
pieces.

Actually, if we all 
just did nothing, and let everything take care of itself. 

That would be 
nice.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






u churn butter 


Ice cream in 
theoryis a frozen creme anglaise which is a cooked egg yolk and milk 
product. The creme anglaise is beaten until all the crystals line up and then it 
becomes creamy, unlike beaten cream or eggs, which reach a peak and then 
collaspe. Ice cream since it is cooked and ready to be eaten as is, as usually 
in a sauce, can be taken further, to a pudding stage, as in custard, or more 
fully whacked until it performs like a maharishi demands, fully beaten and 
enlightened anglaise. It does reach a pinnacle of perfection that even God can't 
resist. Yes, even God can't resist ice cream. Tell that to the 
preacherman. While he's checking out the young boys. 

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  wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
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  wrote:  It was good ice cream. Hard to beat.   I 
  have never tried to beat ice cream. Only to stir it. Took forever.Well 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Shit






Any head is good 
head, or so says Kali, forgive me Ma for speaking for you. No, I don't want your 
job. I know, it does suck. I'm sorry. I am sorry Kali, but I can't take it back. 
You gotta have it Kali. You say you're gonna have my head anyway? Anyway? Then I 
can speak for you Dearest. Kali says Maharishi is going backwards for this 
planet. He is only for his retards. Because we're going on to greater and 
greater things. You're so right Dalin. 

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  wrote: yikes. Liberation demands you. It's your head. 
  So now it's mine says Kali. So you might as well just give 
  it.Yeah, I hear you give good head. (Sorry, Kali could not 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ULTIMATE FREEDOM: The One reality






That's because the world ***feels*** so real. That "moment of 
understanding" can help you realize that just because something feels 
real, doesn't actually make it real.---Ah yeah, but the more real it feels 
it becomes the more true.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






Thanks Kirk and Rory! Better than a table tennis match! What a 
brilliant volley, sustained by Established Silence!Yes, I realize it 
was not competition, just pure heartful discourse. Absolutely wonderful! The 
play of life gracefully and elegantly compressed to one act. Bravo! 
Bravo!Jim

An appreciative 
audience, hey Rory, things are looking 
up!


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






And also because 
it's prolly so true. I guess we owe this one to Maharishi. Here's to 
you Maharishi! You rocked this world, but not quite as much as MTV. Well 
it's true. It sucks I know. It's not my fault. No it isn't. Sure Gandarva 
Ved is nice, yeah, it's nice, I play it sometimes. No it ain't gonna 
replace rock and roll, you know you can't say that to me Maharishi. Naw, 
I'll accept anything but not that. But here's to you anyway.;;) 


Look, I know I'm 
being an asshole Maharishi, but it's you who didn't want me. 
Remember?






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  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:28 
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  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner 
  with Dr. Mahapatra
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  Thanks Kirk and Rory! Better than a table tennis 
  match! What a  brilliant volley, sustained by Established 
  Silence!  Yes, I realize it was not competition, just pure 
  heartful discourse.  Absolutely wonderful! The play of life gracefully 
  and elegantly  compressed to one act. Bravo! Bravo!  
  Jim   An appreciative audience, hey Rory, things 
  are looking up!Kirk, for some reason this cracked me up! :-) :-) I 
  guess because it takes One to appreciate One ...:-) Laughing so hard I can 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






Well, I only have 
five dollars to my name. Actually $9.95 in the bank. And a few quarters. Is that 
enough?

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  wrote:  $25,000 for sidhas to become teachers; 
$5,800 for TM teachers who have not taught in two years to 
  be re- certified  Two different 
  courses...If you promise not to pay us $25,000, or $5,800, or anything 
  else, we will pre-certify you as already perfectly enlightened Now, ever 
  and forever THAT which you have always sought, and eminently qualified to 
  do any blessed thing you please. (fine print: You may still have 
  to work out any small remaining resistances to the Perfection of what IS, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra






Ah so what, 
Maharishi doesn't need any bad press, he has the MUM press corp. With his name 
on it! 

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  From: 
  shukra69 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:41 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner 
  with Dr. Mahapatra
  This wasn't written a year ago by this anonymous 
  persons "friend" , itwas cobbled together from Trancenet material posted 
  no later than Feb14th, 1997. A site sponsored by Free Christian Software. 
  Dr Mahapatrahad a webpage, you can see the google cache of which if you 
  search.(Dr. Gyanendra Mahapatra)--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Written by a friend 
  of mine about a year ago after he had dinner with Dr. 
  Mahapatra    He says he was M's 
  personal physician from about 87 to 91. His English was a bit hard to 
  understand so I'll do my best to relay some of the interesting things 
  he said.  After 91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him as 
  one of the people in charge of a group of 6000 boys (M calls them 
  pundits...). At some point M's family told M that they didn't like 
  what was going on with the big group (I don't have any details) and M 
  dismantled the whole thing sending all the boys home to all the 
  families consternation. Maha Patra was in the dog house after that, 
  which sounded like about 95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable 
  dealing with all the boys families during that time.  
  Patra said in 87 he was called to M's side in Noida, India and M was 
  rolling on the ground, screaming with the pain. He had pancreitis 
  (sorry for spelling). Patra put him on a pain killer and a sedative. M 
  eventually went to England for 6 months or so for treatment for this. 
  M is diabetic and his family has a history of diabetes. I wonder if 
  his high sugar intake had anything to do with it? When in England 
  everything was kept very secret. When some reporters heard he was at a 
  particular hotel, they would rapidly disappear to another location. 
  During that time M had his heart attack. I didn't get much of the 
  details. M didn't have heart surgery but he did have angeoplasty at a 
  hospital in Holland. M used western drugs and western hospitals while 
  promoting Ayurveda as the be all and end all. M has good days and bad 
  days and has variety of health problems. He stays out of view on the 
  bad days.  Patra says M is a megamaniac after world power, 
  (we're all surprised). He says the only ones M trusts are his family 
  members, who he gives untold millions to. M thinks all Americans are 
  CIA and is really paranoid. M asked him if he could test the blood of 
  M's relatives to see if someone was trying to poison them. He says M's 
  family members are not all good people or ethical people and that they 
  have undue influence on M's decisions. He had not heard any stories of 
  M withwomen.  Patra said he spoke with Deepak, his friend, 
  who told him that all the problems started one time when Deepak had to 
  leave M and M wanted him to not go. Deepak told M that he had speaking 
  engagements for thousands of people all set up and he had to go. M 
  said he heard that Deepak was promoting Deepak and not M. Deepak said 
  he always promoted M. M continued to be more negative and suspicious 
  and things broke down from there. Patra says when anyone gets too 
  popular in the movement or has too much of a following M cans 
  them.  Patra said when they had the clinic for the very 
  seriously ill at Noida that M would promise them all healing. With 
  severe cases the Vaijyas would tell M that they could only do so much. 
  Patra was trained as an Oncologist and saw people he knew would die. M 
  would promise them healing, then they would die. M would send out his 
  people to collect the huge bills from the bereaved families after the 
  people had died. He said he found that very upsetting. 
   Patra said when he first started seeing M, M wanted him to work 
  for the movement. He told Patra to not go back to hospitals anymore. 
  Patra was about to get married and go into practice, but because of 
  what M said he didn't. M told him the movement would support him and 
  have a bank account he could draw on. He was to have 2 cooks an 
  2 secretaries. None of that materialized and he was given no money. 
  Now he is in the US, can't pass the medical exams which he could 
  have passed many years ago, and he is taking business courses. He 
  does yagyas full time for Ralph Taylor, and has a group of 60 boys in 
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The Movement, like anything else, is an empty mirror for us to hang 
our stories onYou know what? If Maharishi and his movement were't 
such an outrageous lie and attempt to subvert all that is good and true, then I 
would back down just for a sec. But since everytime I consider the Movement 
and it galls me I'll continue to splatter these electrons with my virtual 
spittle. It's a mirror, and this is my image for the movement. Can't take it? 
You should see me in person. And if Maharishi is God as so many of you think 
then it really sets up the stage doesn't it. And I guess I know where I'll fall 
on that stage, somewhere south of the orchestra. So I got out of the picture 
altogether. Thanks to Buddha, at least someone wants me. 

That's the way it's 
supposed to be Homey. Drop the top on the mutherfuckin ride. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ULTIMATE FREEDOM: The One reality






What amazed me is that a good teacher can dismantle a students wrong 
View in about 1 to 3 sentences. Correct View (darshana) is 
*essential*.

---That remains 
to be 
seen.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






So it's enough 
then?

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  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote: Well, I only have five dollars to my name. Actually $9.95 
  in the bank. And a few quarters. Is that enough?As long as you 
  promise not to send it to me, sure. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available






Maybe Rudra Joe could make that palatable, but hewasn't in 
the kitchen (AFAIK).---It's not likely. If one isn't cooking Brahman or 
Purusha, then the proper ingredients are necessary.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available





And to answer you 
other question, on my computer I am typing in an elegant and beautiful script 
called 'Carmine Tango' which I'm sure isn't coming out on other computers the 
way I am meaning it to. So sorry if it seems loud or obnoxious, because to me it 
is very pretty. I guess that really is apt. 

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  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:28 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC 
  Application Form Now Available
  
  I'm between 
  jobs.
  
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From: 
Rick 
Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:06 
PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC 
Application Form Now Available
on 4/12/05 4:04 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Well, I only 
  have five dollars to my name. Actually $9.95 in the bank. And a few 
  quarters. Is that enough?What do they 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available





No.

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  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:18 
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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC 
  Application Form Now Available
  on 4/12/05 4:28 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I'm between 
jobs.Didnt you 
  get that job working in the jazz club in the bad part of town? 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available





OK, well, I'll stick with computer 
interface then as all computers have it. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:11 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC 
  Application Form Now Available
  on 4/12/05 5:28 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  And to answer you other question, on 
my computer I am typing in an elegant and beautiful script called 'Carmine 
Tango' which I'm sure isn't coming out on other computers the way I am 
meaning it to. So sorry if it seems loud or obnoxious, because to me it is 
very pretty. I guess that really is apt. 

On my Mac its 
  coming out as a big maroon sans serif font. On my PC its coming out as a not 
  quite so big maroon serif font. Probably Ariel and Times, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahasiddha Bhusuku, the Sleeping Monk

2005-04-11 Thread rudra_joe






The Dalai Lama 
always traveled with a weather maker who would change the weather for him 
whenever he wanted.

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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mahasiddha 
  Bhusuku, the Sleeping Monk
  On Apr 11, 2005, at 8:17 AM, Rick Archer 
  wrote: People levitating high in the air? Blinding everyone in the 
  room with brilliant light?Yeah all that--materializing 
  objects--or having them fall from the sky, flying ritual daggers, stopping 
  rain with a move of the hand, footprints in stone, etc., etc.It's 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.

2005-04-11 Thread rudra_joe






If this is one's real and concrete 
experiences...then,under the afore-mentioned criteria, should one 
consider thattechnique worthy of following?""-Only if you're use to following 
the car.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo proof positive of Pundit project.

2005-04-11 Thread rudra_joe






you mean the car in which this new awareness gained from said 
technique, allows you to see directly (even during sleep) into the pure 
zone of existence that underlies the cosmos, and perceive clearly the pure 
bliss that is so intense it is almost scary, and a technique that allows 
your body to feel incredibly weightless and to hop effortlessly, without 
physical intention, in lotus, in a kind ofincredible, blissful, purifying, 
powerful, and almost miraculous way, and which since learning the technique 
over 20 years ago one has not had any illness, not even a cold??? Is that 
the car you speak of?I hope you're enjoying the exercise. Because I'm not 
getting anything out of it. Have a great day 
;)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-10 Thread rudra_joe






My best and finest 
practice is that of actual no practice. It's very rare that I am successful in 
that technique alone. 

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  wrote:  Ah well, if you ever get tired of all the 
  suffering and want to  finish off your attachments once and for all, 
  Byron Katie's your  woman: "Loving What Is." In the meantime, enjoy 
  the samsara and the  fiction of being a real live ego :-) 
   I can't think of any book which specifically changed my life 
  more than any other.Practice "the Work" and we'll 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop

2005-04-10 Thread rudra_joe






You're 
probably right, I can just hear one sing out when getting a lap 
dance!

---Any real tantrika is into oral sex.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join 
  Bhagavad Gita discussion
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  ---OK, but you didn't answer my question once when 
  I said can you tie the mercurial to the saturnian? Rory 
  wrote:I don't recall your asking me this, sorry. I don't see a need to tie 
  them together, any more than I need to tie my buttock (saturn) to my 
  throat (mercury). They seem to take care of themselves nicely without 
  my having to micromanage it all. Those Hitlerian or Nietzschian fantasies 
  you spoke of can evaporate pretty damn fast when Brahman has you and it 
  becomes abundantly obvious that you are/have always been utterly perfect 
  (just like the world) and no better and no worse than the dog feces by 
  that fire hydrant. Literally.RudraJoe wrote:snip 
  A beneficient mercury with a good saturn would make for a stable heaven on 
  earth. If those two conditions change for everyone then how can heaven on 
  earth be stable? If I forget remind that I once had an answer to 
  this before it runs away.Rory wrote:Heaven on Earth doesn't depend 
  on anyone except You, as far as You are concerned. Once you jump in, the 
  whole world changes; You ARE the whole world. This may not be a lot of fun 
  at first (although it is an immense relief) but it can warm up pretty 
  quickly to sustain any level of love/ecstasy. The paradox is -- always 
  changing, ever the same. How do these two qualities can co-exist -- 
  impermanence and permanence? How can the Impersonal, unchanging Abyss can 
  also be Lively and Personal? I can only say, it just IS. One of those 
  paradoxical qualities one can't wrap one's head around so long as one 
  stays in slice-and-dice rational spacetime. Have to be wholehearted to 
  embrace it all -- jump right into the Abyss, fearlessly and with full 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, here's the poop






AND GET THIS. MAHARISHI WILL BE PAYINGFOR 
EVERYTHING.Except for the fact that the person will be doing everything. I don't 
know, that's fairly cool I guess, but as said, the MMY money prolly only lasts 
as long as a few months only and then stores that fail prolly will close. MMY 
owes me about a hundred grand. When he pays me off then he can go. Then there 
will be heaven on earth, for me. 


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Yeah. Like orgasms out your 
nose.Sounds 
like somethingDhritarashta might have 
experienced.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop