[FairfieldLife] Tibetan Buddhist Goddesses: the Elements

[sinhlnx]

The following are the 5 elemental goddesses (air, earth, water, fire 
and space) from the Bon tradition.For further details and information 
you might want to orderHealing with Form, Energy and Light by Tenzin 
Wangyal Rinpoche which was the source of the following information. 
There is much more detail and information about shamanism, tantra, 
and dzogchen in this text.


Element: Earth Goddess
Mantra for Transformation: MA KHAM
Mantra of the Goddess: KHAM LA ZHI KYE LE DU
Color of goddess: radiant yellow-gold
Qualities: Strength, steadiness, security, groundedness, focus, 
connection
Organ: Spleen
Wisdom: Equanimity
Image: Powerful, solid mountains


Element: Water Goddess
Mantra for Transformation: A MAM
Mantra of the Goddess: MAM DANG RA MAM TING DU
Color of goddess: luminous blue 
Qualities: calm, comfortable, sensuous, relaxed, peaceful, flowing
Organ: kidneys
Wisdom: miror-like wisdom
Image: vast, calm lake


Element: Fire Goddess
Mantra for Transformation: A RAM
Mantra of the Goddess: RAM TSANG TANG NE RAM DU
Color of goddess: Luminous Red
Qualities: energy, warmth, strong will, inspiration, creativity, bliss
Organ: liver
Wisdom: discriminating wisdom
Image: fiery volcano


Element: Air Goddess
Mantra for Transformation: MA YAM
Mantra of the Goddess: YAM YAM NI LI THUN DU
Color of goddess: luminous green
Qualities: flexibility, liveliness, freshness, quickness
Organ: lungs
Wisdom: all-accomplishing wisdom
Image: fresh wind through the valley and across the mountains


Element: Space Goddess
Mantra for Transformation: MA A
Mantra of the Goddess: A MU YE A KAR A NI A
Color of goddess: Luminous white or clear
Qualities: spaciousness, ease, clarity, expansiveness, vastness
Wisdom: wisdom of emptiness
Image: vast open sky over the desert or plains

[FairfieldLife] Re: Muktananda and the Blue Pearl

[sinhlnx]

--Seeing the Blue Pearl is a confirmation of the most subtle of 
Kundalini experiences, and may thus be an indicator of Realization 
(having passed beyond attachment even to the Blue Pearl, Muktananda 
states,):

"The mind is nothing in itself, it is not an entity in itself. The 
mind is Divine Consciousness. The hand is nothing in itself. It is 
the body which has become the hand. Likewise Universal Consciousness 
becomes the mind in order to manage the outer world, and once it 
withdraws from the outer world it is the same Consciousness. The 
Divine Consciousness is neither in the sahasrar nor in the heart, but 
it is all-pervasive"


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > The Blue Pearl is not Self. It is as far (or as close)
> > to/from Self as a dog turd. The blue Pearl is simply a
> > very subtle aspect of prakriti. >>
> 
> The Self is everywhere.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- matrixmonitor  wrote:
> > 
> > > http://www.tinyurl.com/34cyrm
> > > 
> > > The Blue Pearl
> > > a.k.a. Blue Dot, Blue Sphere, Blue Disk, Blue Angel,
> > > Blue Flash, Blue 
> > > Trails
> > > 
> > > … the Blue Pearl [is] the subtlest covering of the
> > > individual soul 
> > > 
> > > When we see this tiny blue light in meditation,
> > > we should understand that we are seeing the form of
> > > the inner Self.
> > > To experience this is the goal of human life. 
> > > 
> > > [The Blue Pearl] is tiny, but it contains all the
> > > different planes of 
> > > existence.
> > > 
> > > - Swami Muktananda (1
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

[sinhlnx]

---Off_world, your arguments amount to a tautology: Life is Bliss 
because it's Bliss. First you said "at home" and then changed 
to "Entirely comfortable"; but that's the problem! You're changing 
the definitions to suit your purpose and wind up with a self-evident 
truth, a tautology, since "Bliss" isn't that much of a stretch 
from "entirely comfortable".
 However, where in the world do you get the premise, "entirely 
comfortable", where are those people, on the Pleides 
planets?cuz I sure don't see them on this planet!



 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt"  wrote:
> >
> > --There are some non-sequiturs in the paragraph below. It 
says "you 
> > are at home in that (the dynamic aspect of life). Then it 
> says "Being 
> > at home, therefore you are happy".  Non-Sequitur. >>>
> 
> 
> Not.
>  Being at home  here means : "Entirely comfortable and familiar and 
> knowledgable about...happy therein".
> 
> 
> > plenty of creatures "at home" but grossly unhappy.>>
> 
> 
> That is called an "irrational assumption" right there. 
> 
> 
> >  Then it says "Therefore life is bliss".  Doesn't follow at 
all!.>>
> 
> 
> Yes it does, because 'happiness' is a shade, or a version, of 
bliss. 
> They are not distinct, only layers of the same thing. 
> 
> 
> > Last, it says "all else is illusion". There's a problem here.  
What 
> > is the "all else"?? >>
> 
> 
> All your illusory experience that you think you are not completely 
> comfortable, happy, and familiar with the universe to the point of 
> rarified bliss. You are living in an illusory state, since you are 
a 
> creature born, evolved in, and entirely made of, this wonderous 
> ocean, that we call the cosmos. You are that. And you love 
it !...you 
> just are living in another illusion for the fun of it.
> 
> 
> <>
> 
> 
> The ultimate tautology is tight in all directions. Taut as a 
> tightrope. 
> Walk that rope, or Fall.  
> 
> 
> > The conclusion " life is bliss" may be true but it's not 
supported 
> by  the supposed logic of the previous statements.>>>
> 
> 
> It is entirely. 
> It is an unavoidable conclusion of the scintillating intellect
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Existence exists, therefore interaction of the full potential of
> > > existence - its opposite potentials of point and infinity - 
> occurs.
> > > Therefore activity occurs, therefore dynamism flourishes and
> > > propogates. You are that existence and its inherent dynamism. 
> > Therefore
> > > you are at home in that. Being at home, therefore you are happy 
> in 
> > this
> > > universe, which is your cherished home where you grew up as a 
> > species.
> > > Therefore life is bliss, because you are always at home in this
> > > universe. All else is illusion.
> > > 
> > > Therefore, life is bliss. 
> > > All else is self-illusion, ie.untrue.
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Tom T:
> > > > You have now *got* the Byron Katie system down pat. Her 
> questions 
> > lead
> > > > one to the conclusion you are asking those here to come to. 
> > Awesome!. 
> > > Tom
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

[sinhlnx]

--- Thanks, billy jim!  During my first 6 weeks in the Army long ago 
they used to call us "maggots".
 Let me get this straight: are you saying that Vaj is saying that 
MMY's TM can only facilitate people getting into CC, and not Unity? 
Is that a concise summary?


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>   OK Vaj, I'm going to enter the fray here. 
>
>   The way this conversation is preceding you're going to get tired 
soon from the suffocating squeeze of the pythoness. (I actually mean 
this as a complement to Judy.) Then the conversation will attenuate 
into a final pair of mutual - "the pox on your house, dear". This is 
not only boring - it is unilluminating. And, being a fool's fool, I 
only exist for the dazzling radiance that others of real worth, like 
you and Judy, can shine on my miserable bug-like existence. 
>
>   Help me out here, Vaj - illuminate me. I've heard this argument 
from you before and I never could decide which sutra-s of Patanjali 
you are directing our attention toward - above all because I'm 
overwhelmed by your ocean-like compassion to save us from our slavish 
adulation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. (And who is this Mr. Varma who 
you keep talking about?)
>
>   So … let me try to restate your referenced argument in simplified 
form – one that even a fecal larvae like me can understand: 
>
>   TM practitioners, particularly brain-washed TM teachers, falsely 
identify their direct, unmediated experiences of utter difference 
between pure-consciousness (purusha) and the intellect (buddhi-
sattva) as kaivalya (aloneness of pure consciousness).
>
>   However, kaivalya is described by Patanjali (Pada II.25) as the 
disappearance of ignorance (avidya) and the consequent ceasing of the 
correlation (samyoga) between the seer and the seen.
>
>   The experiences of TM'er are NOT kaivalya but rather are 
transient flashes of viveka-khyati, or the "vision-of-discernment" 
between purusha and prakriti. 
>
>   So, Vaj, is this an accurate description of your argument against 
TM claims vis-à-vis Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? 
>
>   If so then please help me out by pointing which of Patanjali's 
sutras you are referencing as positive proof that TM'ers misidentify 
the "vision of discernment" with the "Aloneness of seeing" 
(Kaivalya). 
>
>   If not, then also help me out by restating your argument so you 
can correct my misunderstanding. Please do so in a form that likewise 
tags your references to each of the relevant Sutra-s of my good 
friend, Maharishi Patanjali … and please don't call him Mr. Naga. 
>
>
>   The shit-eating worm
>   Emptybill
>
>   
>  whatever whatever
> 
> 
>
> -
> Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with 
Yahoo! Autos.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was "Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin")

[sinhlnx]

---So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in 
generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take 
care of one exception: HWL Poonja.  He states that in his last 
incarnation (prior to being "HWL Poonja"...died in the 90's), he was an 
advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi.  Then as Poonja in the course of his 
travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana 
Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of 
Krishna, and RM asks, "Are you having a vision right now?". Then after 
a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's "already" 
Enlightened.  Poonja "got it" and became Enlightened on the spot.
But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he?  


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can 
> learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would 
> say"NOT" !).
>
>
>   Bronte:
>   Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical 
instruments. 
> 
> 
>
> -
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally,  mobile search that gives answers, not web 
links.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: yagya and jyotish testimonials

[sinhlnx]

-Thanks, I'll probably send Yves DeCarie some $$ for the yearly 
group program this weekend; and I'll probably get back onto 
puja.net. Overall, I'm hoping to get "up to speed" on my yagya 
program since over the years I've seen benefits from being "covered" 
more or less all the time with frequent sponsorships of pujas and 
yagyas (if not sole sponsorship for a yagya, but group 
participation).
  Hint at bad karma seeping through my psychic barrier: my Nephew 
got into a DUI and I had to help him out. Bummer.  
Also, I'm hoping to get a paper published and the editor is taking 
his time. Hopefully the yagyas will help him give a favorable stamp 
of approval.
 As to desiring specific results, this may be the intention but 
based on careful observation over the years; I'd say that most of 
the energies, though beneficial, are sucked into an inimaginably 
vast cesspool of bad collective karma.  Nevertheless, I'm going full 
speed ahead in spite of not being able to prove the results to 
others.  Eventually, the combined result of all the pujas and yagyas 
being done will whittle down the collective karma; and we may see 
some global results by 2012
  Hopefully, a new Dem. President the next term will be a small but 
important indicator.; with (hopefully) troops out of Iraq.
> Thanks for your comment. I did a Yagya with the Yagyabychoice 
people,
> I did have spectacularly pleasant dreams. It was almost worth it 
for
> the dreams. Also they included me in their Mahamrityunjaya gratis 
as
> it was my birthday or some such thing, I really did feel a lot of
> bliss during that yagya. I had a really great meditation experience
> after a Yagya participation at puja.net.I didn't notice a thing 
during
> the time the Yagya was taking place with a TMO yagya I did.
> However did you see a concrete change in some aspect in your life 
that
> you were trying to improve? Things seemed to change in the area of
> life concerned concretely after a very long time with a Yagya done 
by
> the Yves Decarie group. 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt"  wrote:
> >
> > --
> > No financial interest.  I just sent in $715 for a Mother Divine 
yagya 
> > in October.  The group facilitors - Ken and Janet Krumpe - act 
as 
> > intermediaries for transferring the $ from Hawaii to India, 
saving 
> > sponsors like myself from the trouble of sending the $ to India. 
(which 
> > I don't like since, although Western Union is reliable, they 
tack on a 
> > hefty fee).
> >   I realize there are a lot of Yagya skeptics and I appreciate 
their 
> > healthy skepticism since this will spur me on to finding some 
tangible 
> > evidence of the benefits of yagyas.  First step is to closely 
observe 
> > any unusual happenings around the time of the yagya, such as 1. 
> > extraordinary instances of synchronicity, 2. visions of pundits 
in the 
> > dream state, or any unusual dreams 3. in general, anything out 
of the 
> > ordinary; OTOH this could be a contra-indication since "good" 
could 
> > simply be nothing happening at all -- as opposed to getting run 
over by 
> > a truck. But in this case the evidence would be lacking.
> > 
> > 
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Very appealing website. Do you have any personal experience 
rather
> > > than posting those of others? Do you have any financial 
interest in
> > > this group yourself?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" 
 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.expertvedicastrology.com/index.php?pr=Testimonials
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: yagya and jyotish testimonials

[sinhlnx]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for your comment. I did a Yagya with the Yagyabychoice 
people,
> I did have spectacularly pleasant dreams. It was almost worth it 
for
> the dreams. Also they included me in their Mahamrityunjaya gratis 
as
> it was my birthday or some such thing, I really did feel a lot of
> bliss during that yagya. I had a really great meditation experience
> after a Yagya participation at puja.net.I didn't notice a thing 
during
> the time the Yagya was taking place with a TMO yagya I did.
> However did you see a concrete change in some aspect in your life 
that
> you were trying to improve? Things seemed to change in the area of
> life concerned concretely after a very long time with a Yagya done 
by
> the Yves Decarie group. 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt"  wrote:
> >
> > --
> > No financial interest.  I just sent in $715 for a Mother Divine 
yagya 
> > in October.  The group facilitors - Ken and Janet Krumpe - act 
as 
> > intermediaries for transferring the $ from Hawaii to India, 
saving 
> > sponsors like myself from the trouble of sending the $ to India. 
(which 
> > I don't like since, although Western Union is reliable, they 
tack on a 
> > hefty fee).
> >   I realize there are a lot of Yagya skeptics and I appreciate 
their 
> > healthy skepticism since this will spur me on to finding some 
tangible 
> > evidence of the benefits of yagyas.  First step is to closely 
observe 
> > any unusual happenings around the time of the yagya, such as 1. 
> > extraordinary instances of synchronicity, 2. visions of pundits 
in the 
> > dream state, or any unusual dreams 3. in general, anything out 
of the 
> > ordinary; OTOH this could be a contra-indication since "good" 
could 
> > simply be nothing happening at all -- as opposed to getting run 
over by 
> > a truck. But in this case the evidence would be lacking.
> > 
> > 
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Very appealing website. Do you have any personal experience 
rather
> > > than posting those of others? Do you have any financial 
interest in
> > > this group yourself?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" 
 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.expertvedicastrology.com/index.php?pr=Testimonials
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Nityananda

[sinhlnx]

Nityananda
http://www.cosmicharmony.com/Av/Nityanan/Nityanan.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios

[sinhlnx]

--I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was 
an incarnationof Alexander the Great.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
wrote:
> > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he 
made such
> > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship.
> > 
> > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM
> > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the 
lecture.
> > 
> > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's 
probably
> > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements 
I've
> made?
> > 
> > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are.  If deep enough, I'll 
sue
> > your ass.  
> > 
> > Anyone else want some of this action?  Anyone else in Berkeley 
that day?
> > 
> > Who is do.rflex?  What's the low down on him? What's the skinny?
> > 
> > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode!
> > 
> > Edg
> 
> 
> You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior
> here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus
> would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of 
what
> some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus
> would come in a spaceship.
> 
> So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar.
>

[FairfieldLife] Oscar the Grim Reaper Cat

[sinhlnx]

featured at
http://www.tinyurl.com/ynpzdm

Oscar is obviously a Buddhist cat.  He has a lot of compassion for 
people, the way he cuddles up to them before they die. Then he 
performs a Buddhist "Clear Light" technique to assist the people in 
passing through the Bardos and into the Void.:


Click-2-Listen
Cat's a furry grim reaper


By RAY HENRY
Associated Press
Published on: 07/26/07 
PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Dogs can sometimes predict an epileptic owner's 
seizure or sniff at an owner's mole, signaling a possible cancer.

Now, it appears a cat can predict the deaths of patients in a nursing 
home.


STEW MILNE/Associated Press
(ENLARGE) 
Oscar the cat lives at a hospice care facility.
  
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When Oscar curls up on a patient's bed and stays there, the staff 
knows it's time to call the family. It usually means the patient has 
less than four hours to live.

The feline's accuracy has been observed in 25 cases at Steere House 
Nursing and Rehabilitation Center.

"He doesn't make too many mistakes. He seems to understand when 
patients are about to die," Dr. David Dosa said in an interview. He 
describes the phenomenon in a poignant essay in Thursday's issue of 
the New England Journal of Medicine.

"Many family members take some solace from it. They appreciate the 
companionship that the cat provides for their dying loved one," said 
Dosa, a geriatrician and assistant professor of medicine at Brown 
University.

The 2-year-old Oscar was adopted as a kitten and grew up in a third-
floor dementia unit at Steere House, which treats people with 
Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease and other illnesses.

After about six months, the staff noticed the cat would make his own 
rounds, just like the doctors and nurses. He'd sniff and observe 
patients, and those he stayed with would wind up dying in a few hours.

Dosa said Oscar seems to take his work seriously and is generally 
aloof. "This is not a cat that's friendly to people," he said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on the Highest Yoga Tantra and "feats".

[sinhlnx]

--No.  It's OK to play the story game IFF (if and only if); the story 
is actually superior to other stories; and one can back it up with some 
type of evidence.  It appears, Rory's story may be superior to others, 
thus, it's not infantile but appropriate in a discussion having a 
foundation of personal experience, logic, various theories; etc.
 What's hypocritical is the Neo-Advaitins who claim they are NOT 
spouting a story.  They should (to be less hypocritical) just come 
right out and state what they are doing: promoting a story which is 
supposedly superior to the other stories.
 The Dalai Lama plays the story game less than other Enlightened 
people.  When asked by Barbara Walters if he was Enlightened, he 
chuckled and said "no".


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet
>  wrote:
> >
> > The Dalai Lama seems to imply that Buddhism has a lot "more" in
> > the relative sense; that accompanies Enlightment; i.e. in the
> > capacity to perform unnamed "feats" for the betterment of mankind. 
> > Looks like a 200% program to me, or 300%, since everything in 
> > Buddhism must occur in threes.
> > Neo-Advaita - Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, etc; doesn't 
> > have these added benefits.
> 
> IOW, you're saying the Buddhist story is superior to the Neo-Advaita
> story. So, Buddhism actually *does* get into such infantile games!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

[sinhlnx]

--Right - a Chinese box!  In the movie "1408" the character nears the 
end of his horror story 1 hour in an apartment that becomes alive but 
a living Hell; and on several occasions, he thinks he's out of the 
apt, but it's only another delusion.
 Finally, he "really" comes out of the Hellish apt to come back into 
the world he left before. (or so he thinks).
 Personally, (IMO), one should get a Rainbow Light Body to PHYSICALLY 
be free of our entropic world; after all the evolutionary body is a 
body of DNA, which apparently doesn't change (except perhaps for some 
Kundalini modifications), when the Self is Realized.
 The "body" seems to desire to be physically free - of death itself.
Step right up folks, get your Rainbow Light Body!
 If DNA could speak, it would probably say "Enlightened folks, work 
not finished yet: you're leaving me here to rot?"


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx"  wrote:
> > >
> > > ---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person 
> > > only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside 
Mae 
> > > West's head?
> > > 
> > > http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item203
> > > 
> > > Or, Jim, you were fortunate in realizing you were in a cage.  
So I 
> > > guess the people living in the cage but don't know it are 
> > > in "ignorant Bliss"?kind of like the people living in the 
Matrix 
> > > world while the aliens are sucking out the juices from their 
real 
> > > bodies.
> > > 
> > That isn't my reality, though it may be someone's. I recall 
someone 
> > said once that if it can be imagined, it exists. I like that, 
believe 
> > it, and accept it.:-)
> >
> 
> An yet, someone also said (Saint Byron perhaps) that if you can't
> imagine the opposite of something -- as possibly being true, then 
you
> are stuck in in that boundary. 
> 
> The point of my kidding has been, "Can you imagine yourself as
> possibly stuck in a prison that you are unaware of?"
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Byron Katie's "the work" a form of moodmaking?

[sinhlnx]

---Consider an apartment as a type of cage. Could a person 
only "think" the apartment is real, but really be living inside Mae 
West's head?

http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item203

Or, Jim, you were fortunate in realizing you were in a cage.  So I 
guess the people living in the cage but don't know it are 
in "ignorant Bliss"?kind of like the people living in the Matrix 
world while the aliens are sucking out the juices from their real 
bodies.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > Its funny to see some here twisting themselves this way and 
> > > that, 
> > > > > with elaborate explanations and such strident voices that 
> keep 
> > > them 
> > > > > from being free. Holding on to the bars of their cages as 
> one 
> > > poster 
> > > > > said about himself, so that they can continue the only life 
> they 
> > > > > have ever known. What do you do about such people? What do 
> you 
> > > say 
> > > > > to them, when they are living such lives of frozen fear? 
> Nothing 
> > > > > much to say, and just go on with life, seeing right through 
> > > them. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > We were just thinking the same about you. :)
> > > >
> > > Of course- I expect that those living in ignorance will always 
> feel 
> > > antagonized,
> > 
> > Yes, when we were thinking the same about you, we were hoping 
that 
> you
> > were not antagonized.
> >
> Great! Thanks.:-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most Yoga schools 'end' with Cosmic Consciousness..

[sinhlnx]

--But what makes Yogananda think there's a connection between Jesus 
Christ and Krishna, and who appointed him the expert?
 As to who is the most powerful Personality, I opt for the 
Scientology God Xenu.  He can kick Krishna's ass!

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > Billy, yoga-darshana's traditional culmination is turiyatita or  
> > Cosmic Consciousness in TM parlance (in some contexts referred to 
as  
> > jivan-mukta). In schools which use a yogic and tantric approach 
to  
> > the advaita View (of reality) one will see a first stage of  
> > turiyatita which then culminates in videha-mukti or Brahma-
cetana  
> > (Unity Consciousness). Mahesh's main innovation (or deviation  
> > depending on your POV) is GC, bhagavata-cetana, which is the  
> > traditional enlightenment state of devotional, bhakti yogins. 
> 
> Swami Yogananda uses this idea as well in the term 'kutastha
> chaitanya' or Christ/Krishna Consciousness, the highest personality 
of
> the Godhead IN creation (MMY'S GC) as opposed to Brahman the
> impersonal absolute.
> 
> Om-Tat-Sat.
> 
> 
> These  
> > are all covered in the Badarayana sutra and it's various  
> > commentaries. In fact, this is where Mahesh got the idea for 
seven  
> > states of consciousness.
> > 
> > There is a rare tape where Mahesh does discuss a seven chakra 
system.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Visualizing the E8 root system

[sinhlnx]

--- thanks for your outstanding points, most valid indeed!.
OTOH, on occasion, metaphorical analogues to math/physics principles 
can be useful in helping us find parallels to certain deep, subtle 
properties of relative existence.  The downside is the risk of 
logical errors such as "the appeal to authorities", and geekspeak, or 
jargon.
  Since the TMO has been known to use some (or all) of such logical 
fallacies, we become naturally suspicious, and rightly so!.
 Such mathematical principles as the E8 Lie group point to (contrary 
to MMY and Hagelin) strictly relative principles, akin to the 
Buddhist principles of interconnectedness and dependent origination; 
and ultimately, the holographic nature of the universe: a concept 
pioneered in Buddhism - more so than in Hinduism. (wiki - the 
Buddhism of Tien Tai).
 At any rate, no, "pure Consciousness" - as pointed out by the 
quantum pioneers themselves (since some of them apparently had an 
intuitive knowledge of "Being-In-Itself", especially Schroedinger); 
is not a subject of modern scientific inquiry (unless** - as pointed 
out by Jim Flanagan, we restrict the inquiry by safe qualifications 
such as "this is my experience:..etc.".  Then, such studies can 
be "scientific" as long as one doesn't tweak the statistics (as in 
the MUM studies).
  Thus, pure Consciousness is not a "field".  One can make parallels 
to certain facets of relative existence (explored and explained more 
by the Buddhists than Hindus) - particularly the nature of Dharma, 
karma, and reincarnation; and the various elements of cause and 
effects.
 As mentioned before, such relative concepts would be 
interconnectedness, dependent origination, and the holographic nature 
of existence.
 Such concepts may "point to" THAT, but as several contributors have 
already pointed out, there's no direct connection between "Being" and 
quantum mechanics.
  I might add that the concept of a "Singularity" has a ringing 
appeal to what me might experience as That; but again, a Singularity 
has to be something relative in order for scientists to investigate 
it, according to the commonly accepted notions of scientific inquiry. 
(that does not of course include private revelations).
 BTW private revelations were in the domain of the Gnostics, as 
opposed to "appeal by Authorities" ; such as the local Bishop, Pope, 
etc.
 Naturally, Gnosticism was a very dangerous, heretical approach; 
since if one can discover innate wisdom through interior inquiry, who 
needs the Pope?


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just my usual too quick on the trigger response. I
> > > > hear the term "super string" or anything of that ilk
> > > > associated with TM and my brain locks-up! I'm sure it
> > > > can have value for people, such as John Hagelin, who
> > > > actually understand it and can facilitate deeper
> > > > understanding of the mechanichs of consciousness, but
> > > > for us lay folk it is mind numbing.
> > > 
> > > That's its true purpose. :-)
> >
> > the invoking the "too quick on the trigger response" part or 
> > the "mind numbing" part?
> 
> The "mind numbing" part. It's a sales technique 
> designed to make the buyer think, "O, these
> people are smarter than I am. I can tell because
> they use big words that I don't understand. There-
> fore they know what they're talking about." And
> so they sign on the dotted line, or continue to
> buy the inferior products of an inferior company
> because they have bought into the company's use
> of buzzwords.
> 
> It's the same model used to sell hardware and
> software. We in the industry call it "geekspeak."
> The more incomprehensible geekspeak you throw
> into the blurbs about your product, the more of
> the product you are likely to sell.
> 
> Whatever the intellectual "can I connect these
> possibly unrelated dots in my mind" value that
> hypothetical exercises like Hagelin's might have
> for *him*, their value to the TM movement is as
> geekspeak. 
> 
> One of the trends that one finds in the study of
> *many* spiritual traditions is that many of the
> traditions that made the biggest impact on 
> society, and in some cases have lasted the longest
> in history, were the ones that *dispensed with*
> geekspeak, or presented a clear alternative to it.
> 
> Christ taught in the common language, using anal-
> ogies and metaphors that were comprehensible to
> the common man. As opposed to the language and 
> the teachings used by the prevailing religions of
> his time. He developed a following.
> 
> One of the primary reasons that the Catholic Church
> exterminated the Cathars was that they *taught in
> the common language*, not in Latin...and not in
> geekspeak. 
> 
> Buddha became popular because he reject

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[sinhlnx]

--- Due to the vast amount of bad karma in the world today, it will 
take more than a few Angels to turn things around.
 TM should be practiced by at least 100 million people, in order to 
significantly increase the world's Sattva.

In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Peace & Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!?
> > What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in 
> stupid 
> > unspiritual stuff; 
> > Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who 
> > want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh?
> > Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of 
a 
> > needle, does it.
> > Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes 
everything.
> 
> Any personal details, please?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[sinhlnx]

--Below: people should have respect for MMY.  I do have respect for 
him everyday when I play a powerful video of him and 15 Pundits doing 
the traditional puja followed by a powerful puja to Mahalakshmi; and, 
I  have respect for MMY for teaching me TM, through my initiator.
  However, I have little respect for the man for demolishing the TM 
Movement by charging such high prices.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx"  wrote:
> >
> > --
> > right, but for all practical purposes, the TM "Movement" is 
> virtually 
> > dead.  The only thing that will resusitate it is a practical 
> > demonstration of Sidhis, not butt bouncing.  Otherwise, ordinary 
> people 
> > won't be convinced of the benefits of "Being".  Movies like the X-
> Men, 
> > Spiderman, Superman, etc; have the younger generation 
indoctrinated 
> > into the notion of wizards using supernatural powers.
> >  Short of that, TM simply has little appeal to "outsiders".
> > 
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > boo_lives wrote:
> > > > > ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour.
> > > > > 
> > > > Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching 
in 
> the 
> > > sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM 
> fundamentalists 
> > > here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face 
don't 
> chya?
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> 
> Peace & Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!?
> What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in 
stupid 
> unspiritual stuff; 
> Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who 
> want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh?
> Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of a 
> needle, does it.
> Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes 
everything.
> Don't you get it yet.
> In astrological terms:
> Pluto, not the dog, but the planet,
> Is crossing the center of our galaxy, now through October,
> With July being particularly intense.
> So, Look at it this way,
> Maharishi is still around, after all these years, after so many 
> others have left us.
> Let's just appreciate him, while he is here, and have some repect, 
> for our elders.
> r.g.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[sinhlnx]

--The five years was possibly influenced by Jerry Jarvis, since it 
took him 5 years to reach CC (he said that's how long it took him) in 
a 1967 lecture) at UCLA.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > It would seem that these kinds of back-sliders would
> > > at least offer a public apology and refund the money 
> > > to all those poor students that they lied to for all 
> > > those years. But have you seen any indication that the 
> > > two Barry's, Rick, or anyone else are considering giving 
> > > a refund on a broken promise? I haven't - maybe I missed 
> > >
> > > I mean, if these kinds of people believe in karma,
> > > they are surely going to hell for a long time for 
> > > supporting and diseminating a dangerous cult and 
> > > taking money from the poor.
> > >
> > Don't be silly. Why would you "go to hell" for
> > engaging in activity that, at the time, seemed
> > perfectly reasonable and in fact was quite good. 
> >
> There's nothing good about the intention to tell people
> that they would reach enlightenment in 5-7 years, when
> any intelligent person would know that's not going to happen.
> You're not going to get any more enlightenment than you 
> are going to get, is the truth.
> 
> > It is only in hindsight that our take on a situation is
> > different. If the intent was good, and I'm sure it was
> > with both Rick, Curtis (both whom I know personally) and 
> > the two Barrys no "bad" karma can be generated. It's all 
> > in the intent.
> > 
> So, I didn't miss your apology.
> 
> You mislead the poor people when you promised them 
> enlightenment in 5-7 years, so just return their money, 
> and say you're sorry. You did keep a list of their names, 
> right? 
> 
> You keep a list of your current patient's names and you'd 
> refund their money if you told them some crap about 
> repeating the nick-names of the Hindu demi-Gods to avoid
> neurosis, right?
> 
> But, why should anyone believe a thing you have to say 
> now after misleading them for all those years - that's 
> the question you didn't answer.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Killing time: tat savituH

[sinhlnx]

--You're not making sense.  You're saying that nobody in the entire 
world is pronouncing it correctly?  Baloney.  Just buy the audio tape 
from Shree Maa and go along with her. Don't let eruditeness get in 
the way of progress. I suppose, by the same reasoning; you are 
undecided about practicing TM because of uncertainity about the 
pronunciation.

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mathatbrahman" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --I recommend actually chanting the Gayatri mantra, also. Try it 
for 
> > one month.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I'm afraid for it to be effective one would need to know how
> to pronounce the accents (udaatta, anudaatta and svarita):
> 
>   tat sa\'vi\`tur vare\'Nya\`m bhargo\' de\`vasya\' dhiimahi  |\\
>   dhiyo\` yo naH\' praco\`dayaa\'t  || \EN{3}{062}{10} \\
> 
> Furthermore, for most native speakers of English (or French, etc.)
> who have not studied Sanskrit, the correct pronunciation of Sanskrit
> phonemes might be quite difficult.
> Because Finnish spelling is one of the most phonetic ones in the
> world, for me it's rather easy to pronounce tranliterated Sanskrit 
> fairly accurately except for the accents and retroflex sounds that 
are 
> peculiar to Sanskrit and Dravidian languages.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "when one looks to the sky for rain, the rain falls"

[sinhlnx]

---I agree with the discussion (below); i.e. puja/yagya/homa 
sponsorships can be beneficial, although it's difficult to prove that 
bad karma has been mitigated or prevented in advance (Heyam Dukham 
Anagatam").  Various possibible outcomes are continually branching 
out infinitely in all directions, and the outcome that becomes 
manifested is the most probable.
 But since there's a powerful energy being generated and released by 
the rituals as causes, theory supports the notion that effects are 
taking place, but where?  Who knows? possibly on some planet 100 
light years away.
 Say an accident is indicated in one's astrological chart for a 
certain date.  Pujas/yagyas are performed in advance, but on the 
given date, the person stubs his toe.  Who's to say that a worse fate 
might have occurred, that was mitigated by the pujas?  But we don't 
know that particular parallel outcome. We only know the outcome with 
he stubbed toe.
 Therefore, if one is looking for a type of proof consistent with the 
level of scientific method demanded by MIT physicists, forget it.
However, certain demonstrations may be possible; as well as various 
types of circumstantial evidence.
 For example, the energy.  Various visions may occur on or just 
before the date, somehow associated with possible events.
Look for the clues and circumstantial evidence.
 Once in the late 70's while traveling in Tijuana, I decided to test 
the power of rituals by hiring a famous Santeria sorcerer named "El 
Negro" to place a hex on MMY.  He did this and shortly thereafter I 
returned to L.A. and had a talk with Charlie Lutes (at that time he 
had an office in the TM Center on Santa Monica Blvd.).  Charlie told 
me that (around the same time I had the hex placed on MMY), that MMY 
had recently become very concerned about "evil influences" and was 
asking a number of people to surround him, affording a type of 
protective aura.  Was this unusual behavior on MMY's part connected 
in any way to the hex that El Negro placed on him?  I beleive so, but 
the connection is purely circumstantial.
 Yes, pujas/yagyas/homas, and other rituals (such as those performed 
by Santeria sorcerers), definitely do have an effect!.  I'm convinced 
of it.
 Recently, the Virgin Mary appeared to me in a brief vision. She 
asked me to have some pujas performed for her.

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> > My criticism of selling yagyas 
> > comes from its theory as well as its
> > practice.  I don't know of any plausible theory of how offering, 
smoke
> > and food to statues of Indians mythological characters can have an
> > effect on the world without proposing a magical connection. 
(poetic
> > physicsy sounding words don't cut it for me)  MMY is selling an
> > ancient religion's world view.  I don't share it, so his 
sincerity or
> > lack of it as he scoops up the bucks is irrelevant. 
> 
> You said previously that you do not "believe" in yagyas. Is this 
based
> on experience or simply a belief? it appears the latter. You 
discount
> my experience -- thats fine. Particularly if you have repeated
> personal experience in which no value was gained, and no experience
> was occuring. 
> 
> Thats quite counter to my personal experience. Starting with pujas -
-
> not a yagya per se, but they are "offering, smoke and food to ... "
> images. Did you never feel anything from doing a puja. Did you ever
> initaite 20-30 people in a day? And felt nothing? If so, I can only
> say "amazing". 
> 
> If you did feel something from pujas, do you discount the 
experience,
> because you don't know of any plausible theory of how it works? Do 
you
> require such plausible theories in all areas of your life? Falling 
in
> love? Appreciating music? I would find it odd anyone who does not
> believe such experiences until they are well vested the theory and
> research as to which neurotransmittors are triggering various
> receptors? I like that too -- but tend to still enjoy the experience
> regardless.
> 
> Have you participated in a number of yagyas and homas, making
> offerings along with the priest(s), feeling the heat of the offering
> fire, for hours long offerings? If so, and you felt nothing? Amazing
> if so. Highly counter to my experience. If you have not participated
> in such, how can you possibly discount the experience of others as
> misguided mood making?
> 
> Have you had large yagyas done for you at traditional temples? and
> didn't feel anything? Amazing if so. Again, highly counter to my
> experience. If you have not had such done, it seems an odd basis to
> form strong beliefs about such. 
> 
> You seem to make a distinction about selling yagyas. Are yagyas OK 
as
> long as they are not sold? In this view, can the pundits collect out
> of pocket expenses for materials? But it need be volunteer labor -- 
or
> can they charge a fair wage? I have had som

[FairfieldLife] TM vs drugs, a 1969 study

[sinhlnx]

I googled one of the dudes who got me into TM: Tom Winquist, along 
with Keith Wallace, back in the late 60's.  Winquist's name came up 
in association with Dr. Benson's study in which he 
claimed "astounding" results in getting people off of drugs, since 
the transcendental experience was so appealing!.  What's really so 
astounding is the naivate among such researchers in having high but 
misquided hopes that TM would be a viable antidote to people's drug 
problems.  The drug situation is 10X worse now and still no effective 
solution. 

 Then, in 1970 Tom was my "group leader" at the Humboldt Course.  I 
thought it most unusual why he would question and then mock me in 
front of the group for getting initiated into Eckankar. (the required 
form asked what other programs people were involved in). Looks like I 
was the naive one - my first experience with organizational 
blacklisting.  I was temporarily forgiven but was eventually fired at 
SIMS for talking about other Gurus. No problem though, it's all part 
of the learning curve. Here's the excerpt from the web:

Several years ago, Dr. Herbert Benson of the Harvard Medical School 
and Thorndike Memorial Laboratory, Boston City Hospital, trained 
monkeys to control their own blood pressure, and wondered whether a 
technique known as transcendental meditation might not similarly 
lower the blood pressure of humans. To find out, he brought into the 
laboratory twenty young male volunteers aged twenty-one to thirty-
eight, all of whom practiced this techniques simple routine of 
sitting quietly and pondering in a prescribed manner for fifteen or 
twenty minutes twice a day. In talking with these men about their 
drug use, Dr. Benson turned up facts so astounding that he reported 
them in a 1969 letter to the editor of the  New England Journal of 
Medicine.

Nineteen of the twenty volunteers told Dr. Benson that they had used 
drugs–– marijuana, barbiturates, LSD, amphetamines, and in several 
cases heroin––  before taking up transcendental meditation. Since 
they had begun meditating, however, "all [nineteen] reported that 
they no longer took these drugs because drug-induced feelings had 
become exceedingly distasteful as compared to those experiences 
during the practice of transcendental meditation." Perhaps, he 
added, "transcendental meditation should be explored prospectively by 
others... primarily interested in the alleviation of drug abuse." 11

In the same year a graduate student in psychology at the University 
of California at Los Angeles, Thomas Winquist, prepared a report 
entitled  The Effect of the Regular Practice of Transcendental 
Meditation on Students Involved in the Regular Use of Hallucinogenic 
and "Hard' Drugs. Winquist questioned 484 students ' who had been 
practicing transcendental meditation regularly for a minimum of three 
consecutive months. Out of the 484, he identified 143 (30 percent) 
who had been regular drug users and who reported the following 
changes in their drug use following their adoption of transcendental 
meditation: 
  [etc...more baloney].




   

[FairfieldLife] Inner Circle Breakout on "Girls"

[sinhlnx]

-Thanks, (sorry, I can't mention the Hairdresser's name); but in any 
event, he was MMY's official "barber"; but individual's persona 
impressed me more as fitting into the category of "Hairdresser". The 
term just fits better.  Besides, he was no "simple" barber. He was an 
expert, working on both men and women.  I think he also cut Jerry's 
hair; maybe he even worked on Debbie's.  It's been a while but 
there's no doubt about the facts the Hairdresser conveyed to me.  He 
was quite serious.
 I might add that I promised the Hairdresser I'd absolutely tell no 
one what he said.  Looks like I lied!.  10 slashes with a wet noodle.
 


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:29 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: *SPAM* [FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout 
on "Girls"
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > > > MMY's hairdresser told me (1973) that he accidently 
> > > > > walked by MMY's open door at a course in India; and 
> > > > > he was in a sexual embrace with a female.
> > > > > 
> > sparig wrote:
> > > > And what kind of door was it in a place where you 
> > > > could glance through it? I thought the huts in 
> > > > Rishikesh were kinda semi-underground?
> > > >
> > > And how could MMY have been in India in 1973 at the 
> > > same time that he was at La Antilla, Spain TTC? This 
> > > guy gets more amazing every hour - invisible sex acts 
> > > for decades, remote appearing acts, amazing sexual
> > > energy at 3:00 AM in the morning AND a hairdresser!
> > >
> > Rick Archer wrote: 
> > > He didn't say the incident happened in 1973. He said 
> > > the hairdresser told him this in 1973.
> > >
> > What was the hairdresser doing in a sexual embrace with a female 
in
> > front of an MMY's open door in India?
> > 
> > As I understand this story, MMY was in the sexual embrace, not the
> > hairdresser. The latter was the observer, not the participant.
> >
> 
> I've heard the story before, but no-one has explained to me why MMY 
had a hairdresser...
>

[FairfieldLife] Inner Circle Breakout on "Girls"

[sinhlnx]

--HA HA!.  No. The Hairdresser was walking by MMY's room.  The door 
to MMY's room was ajar, allowing the hairdresser to witness the 
going's on in the room: namely, MMY and a female were having sex.  
  The Hairdresser and I both worked at SIMS in L.A. and he told me 
the above in 1973; but I can't recall exactly when the supposed event 
occurred.(just sometime before).  Therefore, your objection that the 
incident was bogus because MMY couldn't have been in 3 places at 
once, doesn't hold water.
 If the Popes can be in two places at once: Avignon and Rome, then 
the Mahareeshee can be in three places at once.  What I'm wondering 
about is why, in view of a growing mountain of circumstantial 
evidence, one would turn a blind eye to the "truth", unless 
it's "truthiness" you're after (what you want to be true).
 The real question is, what is the implication of all of this, given 
such incidents are true?  Does it suggest anything, other than a 
healthy libido? Personally, I believe so, since MMY led people to 
believe he was celibate.  That's like a Scooter Libby lie.

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > MMY's hairdresser told me (1973) that he accidently 
> > > > walked by MMY's open door at a course in India; and 
> > > > he was in a sexual embrace with a female.
> > > > 
> sparig wrote:
> > > And what kind of door was it in a place where you 
> > > could glance through it? I thought the huts in 
> > > Rishikesh were kinda semi-underground?
> > >
> > And how could MMY have been in India in 1973 at the 
> > same time that he was at La Antilla, Spain TTC? This 
> > guy gets more amazing every hour - invisible sex acts 
> > for decades, remote appearing acts, amazing sexual
> > energy at 3:00 AM in the morning AND a hairdresser!
> >
> Rick Archer wrote: 
> > He didn't say the incident happened in 1973. He said 
> > the hairdresser told him this in 1973.
> >
> What was the hairdresser doing in a sexual embrace with a female in
> front of an MMY's open door in India?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout on "Girls"

[sinhlnx]

-
Avignon...one Pope in France and another in Rome, each supported by 
certain Catholic Saints.  St. Catherine of Siena (a levitating 
Saint), wanted Pope Gregory VI to return to Rome from Avignon.
http://op.org/domcentral/trad/stcather.htm


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:33 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inner Circle Breakout on "Girls"
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , ffia1120  
wrote:
> >
> > Catholic priests have been molesting girls too, for a 
> > long, long time.
> 
> In Avignon, I found an off-duty guide at the Papal
> Palace there who agreed to take me into the palace
> when it was closed, and who showed me things that
> they aren't allowed to show to the tourists. For
> example, the secret passageways and staircases that
> lead from the Pope's bedroom to the bedrooms of his
> mistresses. Plural intentional.
> 
>  
> 
> Which pope are you talking about? Sometimes you remind me of a 
spiritual
> Forrest Gump. Maharishi, Rama, Castaneda, the Pope.. You were there.
>

[FairfieldLife] St. Joseph of Cupertino, the Levitating Saint

[sinhlnx]

The other monks became so desperate to keep his peculiar traits under 
control that early on lead weights were chained to his ankles to try to 
keep him from levitating during Mass.

He is the patron saint of pilots and all who take air transportation. 
Cool saint!

under entry on St. Simeon Stylites, at:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yt283d

[FairfieldLife] "Anything is possible": (MMY)

[sinhlnx]

Including the Ain Soph Aur Accretion disk.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2dpva7

[FairfieldLife] NY Times Article on God and Belief

[sinhlnx]

--

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/magazine/04evolution.t.html

"Dreams, too, have a way of confirming belief in the afterlife, with 
dead relatives appearing in dreams as if from beyond the grave, 
seemingly very much alive."

--- ---

[FairfieldLife] Douglas Hofstadter: "You can never represent yourself totally"

[sinhlnx]

(in a metaphorical analogue to Godel's Theorem), Hofstadter states,

The other metaphorical analogue to Gödel's Theorem which I find 
provocative suggests that ultimately, we cannot understand our own 
mind/brains ... Just as we cannot see our faces with our own eyes, is 
it not inconceivable to expect that we cannot mirror our complete 
mental structures in the symbols which carry them out? All the 
limitative theorems of mathematics and the theory of computation 
suggest that once the ability to represent your own structure has 
reached a certain critical point, that is the kiss of death: it 
guarantees that you can never represent yourself totally. 

[FairfieldLife] Conservapedia on Transcendentalism

[sinhlnx]

"
Indian religion adds a transcendental quality that has found popularity 
worldwide in the form of meditation, and in the mid-1800s American 
writers such as Ralph Waldo Emerson began citing Indian practices after 
abandoning Christianity. Emerson wrote, "I owed a magnificent day to 
the Bhagavat-Gita. It was the first of books; it was as if an empire 
spake to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, 
the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had 
pondered and thus disposed of the same questions that exercise us." 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Conservapedia

[sinhlnx]

--Excellent! (a valuable, trustworthy Encyclopedia, at last).  
Sullivan should have ready access to this resource, so he can quote 
the King James Version of the Bible btw this is a joke since the 
Catholics use the Jerome version.  The King James version was 
commissioned by the King of England, no friend of the Pope.  Here's a 
quote: "...
For example, many cite Rev. Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" 
speech without acknowledging its source in the translation of Isaiah 
66:6: 

"I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every 
hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made 
plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of 
the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together." 

Sounds like "Heaven on Earth", but no mention of Peace Palaces.

 



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > Cite Your Sources!
> > A conservative online encyclopedia? It's true! Check out  
> > Conservapedia, "a much-needed alternative to Wikipedia, which is  
> > increasingly anti-Christian and anti-American."
> 
> Fun. I really liked:
> 
> Bill Clinton:
> "Obviously, he is the devil incarnate."
> 
> Abortion:
> "The majority of scientific studies have shown that abortion 
> causes an increase in breast cancer, including 16 out of 17 
> statistically significant studies.[3] However, like the 
> tobacco industry in the 1950s, the abortion industry has so 
> far kept this important information away from much of the 
> public. This may be due to the profitability of selling fetal 
> parts for Chinese medicine [4] or for scientific research labs 
> [5],[6]"
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita

[sinhlnx]

---Good start!  Next stop, Rainbow Light Body.  Don't forget the DNA 
which has been around for about 3 billion years. It's craving to get 
fully free of Entropy.
 Entropy is what did in all the DNA of the great Masters of the past, 
with a few exceptions such as Padma Sambhava.  Don't let your cells 
get eaten by worms!  No "Diet of Wurms" for medraw the line 
against Entropy and don't give into physical death. 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > Quote: "Mr Magoo, please! MMY's translation is for the superior
> > intellect...the gyaniwhile Yogananda's is for the mushy 
bhakti.
> > Yogananda is the lotus and MMY is the jewel sitting in it."
> > 
> > Over my 30 years of being in the TMP, I studied Maharishi's Gita -
-
> > reading it perhaps four or five times -- and in the margins, my 
> notes
> > were keeping track of "red flags" in the commentaries that I had
> > questions about.  
> > 
> > After the TMO cult-veil was torn from my eyes by harsh life 
> lessons, I
> > read the books of Ramana Maharshi and Sri Nisargadatta until I 
felt
> > resonant -- intellectually -- with their Advaitan views.  This 
took
> > about four years of reading them about 30 minutes a day.  It 
wasn't
> > about logic, it was about absorbing, growing neurons, and finally
> > having a brain that COULD have an intellectual clarity about
> > identification.  
> 
> 
> Thanks for sharing this- I enjoy reading about our journeys from 
> personal to universal identification and all the bus stops in 
> between. I know what you mean to have finally grown the neurons or 
> found the pathway to them anyway to comprehend some of the stuff 
> talked about by Masters. 
> 
> When I picture myself these days, it is like one of those cruller 
> type donuts, kind of ragged around the edges, with infinite space 
in 
> the middle and around the outside. That desire edge or boundary of 
> the donut is where the individual me lives, as a brilliant 
> convenience. In the meantime, someone or something keeps eating the 
> donut.
>

[FairfieldLife] On Yogananda after death.

[sinhlnx]

One of my former Gurus (Dyanyogi Madhusadandasji )came to L.A. in 1976, 
the East-West Cultural center.  Right in front of our group, he 
hyperventilated while in a lotus position and fell flat on his face. He 
then traveled out of his body for about 20 min.  After coming back into 
his body, he said he was communicating with Yogananda.
http://www.dyc.org/

My Kriya Yoga Guru, Swami Satyeswarananda, said that Yogananda was only 
in CC, not Unity.  (personal communication, 1982).

http://www.Sanskritclassics.com/aboutbaba.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Gita Commentaries compared to Advaita

[sinhlnx]

--Who is the "I" that's reading Nisargadatta Maharaj? 



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > Quote: "Mr Magoo, please! MMY's translation is for the superior
> > intellect...the gyaniwhile Yogananda's is for the mushy 
bhakti.
> > Yogananda is the lotus and MMY is the jewel sitting in it."
> > 
> > Over my 30 years of being in the TMP, I studied Maharishi's Gita -
-
> > reading it perhaps four or five times -- and in the margins, my 
> notes
> > were keeping track of "red flags" in the commentaries that I had
> > questions about.  
> > 
> > After the TMO cult-veil was torn from my eyes by harsh life 
> lessons, I
> > read the books of Ramana Maharshi and Sri Nisargadatta until I 
felt
> > resonant -- intellectually -- with their Advaitan views.  This 
took
> > about four years of reading them about 30 minutes a day.  It 
wasn't
> > about logic, it was about absorbing, growing neurons, and finally
> > having a brain that COULD have an intellectual clarity about
> > identification.  
> > 
> > Then I read Maharishi's Gita for the last time -- this was years 
ago
> > now -- and I found that Maharishi's use of language was 
intolerably
> > fuzzy.  He didn't use the words "consciousness, witness, self, 
> being,
> > spiritual, transcend, etc." with consistency, and well, frankly 
> failed
> > to show any clarity about the subtle distinctions of 
> identification. 
> > I was amazed, because I was sold out to Maharishi for so long and 
> was
> > quite satisfied with his Gita commentary, but that final reading 
was
> > very frustrating because Maharishi just didn't handle the deep
> > concepts -- the delicacies of consciousness -- to me it was a 
> failure
> > in scholarship which was so egregious that Maharishi's cogency 
> became
> > suspect, and the clarity that Ramana and Nisargadatta show in 
their
> > conceptual "packages" was/is stellar by comparison.
> 
> Could you provide us with a few examples?
>

[FairfieldLife] Mahatma Gandhi on the Gurus.

[sinhlnx]

--- 

 \\\ \ | /// //  
   | / 
 \\\~ ~/// 
   ( @ @ ) 
-OOo-(_)-oOOo 

Man is but the product of his Thoughts
What He thinks, He becomes

- Mahatma Gandhi

 oooO( ) 
 (  ))   / 
  \   ((_/ 
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---  ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig

[sinhlnx]

--Your question..."what's the future"  
Stop being a Neo-Advaitin nit-picker.
The answer to this question can be found in various philosophical 
texts widely available, some written by physicists. But why not stop 
there?  What is "existence"???


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mathatbrahman" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --Thanks (not you...) but a number of Neo-Advaitins claim to have 
> a 
> > lock on how E'd people should act; for example, one says "they" 
> > dont/can't predict the future.  If that were true, they would 
have 
> to 
> > quit their jobs if reliance on predicting the future were 
> paramount: 
> > say...being a stock broker.
> > 
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---"only an ego would have a need for a hierarchy"  ...not 
> > exactly 
> > > > true; since E'd people sometimes work like everybody else, 
> some 
> > of 
> > > > those jobs require attention to hierarchy.  Say one is a 
> chicken-
> > > > sexer before E, and afterwards too (since being Self-Realized 
> > > doesn't 
> > > > automatically demand that one quit a job).  The job of 
chicken 
> > > sexing 
> > > > (determining the sex of chicks), is a hierarchal matter, 
> > requiring a 
> > > > highly skilled expertise in the field.  This is not born 
> > of "ego". 
> > > > It's just a skill, and hierarchies are part of skills.
> > > > 
> > > I wasn't using the association with ego in a negative way, only 
> to 
> > say 
> > > that hierarchies are relative. When *would* bieng Self realized 
> > demand 
> > > that one wuit a job? I haven't heard of that before...
> > >
> >
> What's "the future"?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'

[sinhlnx]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx"  wrote:
> >
> > ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques).  Vaj, I've concluded
> > that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so
> > misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques.  Please
> > set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM 
> > "as taught by MMY".?
> 
> Vaj claims he was a *TM teacher*, amazingly enough.

Thanks, yes; and Bill Clinton claims he never had "sex" with Monica
Lewinsky!!...HaHa...possibly, Vaj is using the term "TM" not in the
trademarked sense, but in the broadest categorical perspective: in
generaly, any meditative technique, particular sourced in Buddhist,
Hindu, or tantric traditions; designed to enable the practitioner to
"transcend".  Therefore, any traditional technique including the close
relatives such as Ananda Marga.  But here, the relatives are as close
as humans and spider monkeys.  Do the comparson test, and TM will come
out way ahead.
  Personally, I fail to see how Vaj could possibly be son ignorance
regarding "TM" unless he's defining it braodly as "transcendental
meditation" (the usual traiditonal mantra meditation methods, the vast
majority of which differ from TM - as brought out before, since they
invariably rely on hard concentration.  Most important, do they have
POWER in the mantras. Third, let's look at Vaj's oft repeated
statement that TM is "dualist".
 This was countered by several contributors.  In fact, Vaj's argument
here will backfire since true Transcendence though non-dual doesn't
eradicate thoughts, perceptions, and actions. These entities are
simply Brahman.  Whether something is dual or non-dual depends on the
level of consciousness of the aspirant.
  A so-called "non-dual" technique according to Vaj's Guru, Chogyal
Norbu Rinpoche, simply has no object; but error in this thinking is
the confusion of the "object" (or lack thereof) as a meditative
device, with true NON-DUALITY as the natural state of the universe.
 For example, Vaj's Guru, (Norbu) claims to have received a "terma" or
mind-treasure of a dance called "The Dance of the Vajra", in which the
practitioner listens to a Song (The Song of the Vajra) along with
musical accompanyment, and dances on a mandala inscribed in the
ground..  Well, (duh!)  this is dualist. But, regardless of the
technique, the main consideration is it's effectiveness, not whether
there's an "object" there since non-Duality must ultimately be a
function of the practioner's Consciousness and not the class of
activity engaged in.
 Let's take the average beginner.  From Vaj's POV, a "non-dualist"
meditation technique would be superior to TM (since the mantra is
objective).  Not necessarily!!  Having no object at all for beginners
probably would be an excellent technique for having a BLANK MIND. With
TM, one's mind is allowed to transcend duality AND the blank state.
  In addition, Vaj (like Sam Harris, whose Guru is the same person -
Norbu Rinpoche), is a strong poponent of Mindfulness. OK, fine; but
this has a drawback in that it's largely dependent on "retreats" to
generate a level of peace conducive to transcending.  
  But we all know that many accounts of transcendence throughout
history involve monks and others in a "retreating" state, perhaps
living in very Sattvic conditions in the Himalayas or China.  This is
great, but TM "as taught by MMY" works anywhere, even in the hustle
and bustle of a noisy traffic-riden City.  Try Mindfulness in Manhattan.
  To conclude, TM has true power in the mantra; which may not be true
to the same extent in other meditation techniques, and (2) has a
superior method of using the mantra.  Three, the statement that TM is
somehow inferior since it's "dualist" confuses the issues.  In
Buddhism - Vaj's Tradition, some techniques have objects, while other
techniques don't.  What matters is the transcendence, regardless of
the initial techniques practiced (and their participation in dualist
objects).  Ultimately, one must carry on in the nominally dualist
world anyway, with full integration.  To be consistent with Vaj's lack
of logic, one could say that Norgu Rinpoche is a "dualist" because he
teaches the "Dance of the Vajra", which is clearly a dualist technique
involving music, dances, and mandalas.  But we would not stoop to such
a low level of ignorance by making that claim, since Norbu can be
accepted (with reasonable certainty) as being fully Enlightened.
Otherwise, he too could be called a "dualist" by coming up

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'

[sinhlnx]

---(discussion below - TM and other techniques).  Vaj, I've concluded
that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so
misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques.  Please
set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM 
"as taught by MMY".?  I know you are a disciple of Norbu Rinpoche, but
what technique does he have that equals TM, "Dance of the Vajra"?
  In my book, the main consideration is the POWER in the mantra; and
the use of the mantra is important, but secondary.  In regard to the
mantra's power, this question can't be resolved through logic; but
rather direct experience only.
 For example, I've been initiated into the Ramakrishna mantra by an
authorized Monk but there was little power in that mantra compared to
TM. In the Sant Mat tradition alone, I've been initated by
representatives of Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, Darshan
Singh, and the Eckankar Guru Paul Twitchell.  Nope, no power in those
mantras!.  I've been initiated by Muktananda and Guru Maharaji.  Far
more power in the TM mantra!.  
 So what's your comparison test?  First, were you initiated by an
authorized rep of MMY, or not; and how did your experience of TM
compare with the mantras of other traditions?
 If you weren't initiated into TM ("as taught by MMY"), then you
aren't qualified to render an opinion; since the "taste test" isn't
possible without direct experience.
  And who the Hell is Dana?
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > And yet another comment from Dana:
> 
> > This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric
> > Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice
> > that is not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the 
> > only change I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is 
> > interpreted. In TM, it's attributed to unstressing; in the mainline 
> > traditions it's attributed to lack of success.
> 
> This last should instantly have set off alarm bells
> in your mind as to how well qualified Dana is to
> assert that TM is no different from what is taught
> in other traditions.
> 
> > In both cases the instruction is the same - "return to
> > the mantra once you realize you're off of it."
> 
> Pathetic.
> 
> > The sooner that TMers face the fact that there is nothing
> > amazing or unusual about their practice (and time spent
> > exploring the mainline Hindu traditions points this up)
> 
> He doesn't have a *clue*.
> 
> > the sooner they'll understand why even after 35
> > years of regular meditation they still aren't
> > enlightened. There is no magic technique. Maharishi
> > was able to convince Westerners that there was
> > simply because young Westerners didn't know better.
> > TM is relaxing and relaxing is nice. All these years
> > of practice by Westerners proves that TM isn't the
> > magic pill we once thought it was. And if it was,
> > then Asians already practicing it would have been
> > enlightened long ago.
> 
> When he says "Asians already practicing it," I take
> it he means some "mainline" technique that he believes
> is actually the same as TM, right?
>






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[FairfieldLife] article on SSRS "Sudarshan as I experienced it".

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying

[sinhlnx]

---Phrase to say when somebody is dying.  Repeating a phrase alone is
insufficient. One must have a degree of Shakti (which you do, as a TM
practitioner); but along with the foregoing, one must have INTENT.
What is your intention for the dying person?.  Think on it clearly and
chant "Thiru Neela Kantam" over and over.  This means "Holy Blue
Throat";  a reference to Shiva, and is designed to eradicate bad
karma.  Keep in mind the main lesson of the Tibetan Book of the Dead:
Immediately after death, the person may begin anew with various
attractions to the same types of things that were alluring while
alive.. YOUR mind must assist the person in breaking the connections
to any lower astral/material attractions, and propel the person
directly into the pure realm of the Absolute.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?:
> 
> I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing 
on.that
> is to be whispered to them as they pass.  Do you know  of this?
>   
>   Looks like we will be leaving for () tonight as my husband¹s dad
won't be
> around much longermaybe not even 24 hours.
>   
>   I don't think I can do a puja there but I remember someone somewhere
> telling me about this phrase.
>   
>   Thanks.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Insights on the Creation of Amrita

[sinhlnx]

---Thanks (Churning of the Ocean, below).  There's a bad marka
eradicating mantra associated with this: "Thiru Neela Kantam", meaning
"Holy Blue Throat" (a reference to Shiva drinking the poison). 
> 
> Most of us know the vedic story relating to the churning of the ocean 
> of milk to create amrita.  We can make some of these inferences:
> 
> 1.  The ocean of milk refers to human consciousness.
> 
> 2.  The devas and asuras involved in the churning shows the duality 
> of our consciousness, in that we are capable of perceiving good and 
> evil.  As such, we are also capable of doing good and evil.
> 
> 3.  The churning can refer to our reflections and meditations to 
> attain peace, serenity, and bliss (in other words, amrita).
> 
> 4.  The mountain used to churn the ocean refers to the monumentous 
> task and responsibility to attain bliss.
> 
> 5.  The snake being used to rotate the mountain refers to the 
> kundalini that is involved in meditation and eventual attainment of 
> amrita.
> 
> 6.  During our meditation, we come to realize the various impulses of 
> intelligence within our consciousness.  Hence, the story introduces 
> the appearances of various devas from this ocean, e.g. Laksmi and 
> Dhanvantari.
> 
> 7.  The poison mentioned in the ocean can represent the karma or sins 
> that one is born with or commit.
> 
> 8.  The involvement of Shiva drinking the poison refers to the 
> involvement of the Divine in washing away these karmas and sins.
> 
> Please, let us know what you think about these inferences.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John R.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TruthAboutTM.com

[sinhlnx]

---MMY's non-existent sex life? (I doubt it). I'm not a first hand
observer but back in 1973 when I was working at SIMS in L.A., MMY's
barber spontaneously revealed an interesting experience of his in
India, accidently walking by MMY's room...the door was ajar and he saw
MMY in a sexual embrace with a young female. As gone over many times
before, this would only show that MMY was a healthy adult with normal
desires; but the fact remains that he's led people to falsely believe
he's had no such experiences.  That's unethical behavior on his part.
 Quote by St. Paul: "But God has chosen the foolish things of the
world to put to shame the wise" . (1Cor.,1:27). 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > If you had seen the spew on this list about MMY's nonexistent sex 
> > life, you would understand that facts don't matter to the list 
> > lizards here -- it's a mentality that explains the many gossip rags 
> > on the supermarket racks, providing cheap giggles for people with no 
> > life worthy of the name "human."
> 
> And yet you continue to hang out here bob. How odd!
>






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[FairfieldLife] Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

[sinhlnx]

Excellent article on previous postmakes it all the more important 
to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which attest to one's 
Enlightenment, realization of the Self.  But this is problematic 
within the context of the groundrules laid out by the proponents of 
Pseudo-Advaita, of where are many in the Web.  A quick "google" can 
uncover a few dozen of them.  Most are devottes of Ramana Maharshi, a 
few of Nisargadatta Maharaj, and at least one of Adi Da.; or in the 
lineages of these people.  (which is in itself a contradiction since 
Ramana Maharshi didn't setup a lineage.  Gangaji claims she is in 
the "lineage" of Ramana since she is a devotee of HWL Poonja and the 
latter was a devotee of Ramana.  At any rate, let's briefly discuss 
the problem involved in stating that "one" is Enlightened ; first 
within the context of the Neo-Advaitins then within the context of 
Buddhism.
 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi, HWL 
Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen, Adi Da, 
etc
 The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself stated that any 
talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since there's no "I" 
left to claim it.  This should stop a lot of self-styled Neo-
Advaitins in their tracks straight away since lots of them have 
websites and obviously want to let on that they are Enlightened; but 
have difficulting enunciating that. They are left in a quandary: a. 
don't state it and thus potentially be left out of the adulation they 
crave by having sycophants worship them, attend their lectures, give 
donations,  OR do make the bold claim and risk contradicting Ramana's 
teaching.  If they go around saying "I'm enlightened", then people 
will become suspect in that making the claim outright have resorted 
to then, is to avoid certain taboo statements such as "I'm 
Enlightened" (but Andrew Cohen goes ahead and makes such a claim 
anyway).; and allude rather to certain peripheral statements of which 
there many.  These are certain pet code or buzz phrases intended to 
convey the information that "I'm enlightened" ...but not allowed to 
say it outright; so I will resort to the code words.
  2.  The MMY/TM org solution is to zero in in certain symptons of 
Enlightenment which must be present for those in CC  or higher but 
not present in those not in CC such as continuous Witnessing 
throughout the sleep state.  The shortcoming here is that the list of 
symptoms appears to be mighty short, unless there are others conveyed 
during personal communications with the bonavide Teacher. (besides 
MMY, who would these people be?). The very notion that there are 
criteria for judging whether or not people are Enlightened is 
rejected by the Neo-advaitins but is no problem for MMY, whom in his 
cleverness has (more than anybody else) seen that for every state of 
Consciousness, there are corresponding physiological states. Although 
one cannot adequately describe Enlightenment, the physiological 
components CAN be described, (somethingthe Neo-Advaitins have 
overlooked).
 3. Buddhism probably has the most complete and through framework for 
determining if the person is Enlightened; and some of these criteria 
were listed previously. 
4. Other traditions, Sant Mat for example.  The major goal here is 
God Consciousness which is probably the same as GC in MMY's scheme. A 
few of the Sant Mat Gurus probably were Enlightened but the Sant Mat 
Tradition basically can't deal with the idea of non-dualism and 
there's no conceptual framework for Advaita in Sant Mat since the 
founders of that Tradition reject Shankara.
Well, that's about it. To conclude, many of the Neo-Advaitins want to 
claim Enlightenment for themselves but run into problem since their 
major founder Ramana Maharshi rejected the very idea of a claim as 
being delusional.  Certain Neo-Advaitins such as Andrew Cohen have 
gone against Ramana's teachings with some risk to their reputations; 
and have indeed come up with their own long lists of the symptoms of 
Enlightenment, to wit: (Andrew's magazine What is Enlightenment" goes 
into this question in vertually every issue.  Unfortunately for 
Andrew, if one of the criterions is "Your Mother must say you're 
Elnlightened" then Andrew is a failure in that regard since his Mom 
wrote a whole book listing the various symptoms of Andrew's big Ego.  
This begs the question then - are these "real" symptons of a Ego are 
just apparent symptoms ?  I say - a cow is a cow regardless.  What's 
your opinion?
 





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