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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
 
  To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy
  because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only 
mention
 
  of
 
  this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take
 
  anti-
 
  oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with 
their
  immune systems.
 
 
  The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's
 
  pretty
 
  important.
 
 
 
  It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works.
 
 
 
  Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells hoard 
anything
  due to taking amrit kalash?
 
 
  Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it though.
 
 
  Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels 
of
  antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at
 
  all?
 
 
  I guess it would depend on what you mean by sane. It's also
 
  going
 
  to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what 
type
 
  of
 
  tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to
 
  take
 
  a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment.
 
 
 
  OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?
 
 Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been in  
 effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to  
 megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out 
there  
 that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these 
as  
 well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent 
trial  
 I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design.


To see if there was an effect, or to try to eliminate a theoretical 
effect that hadn't been documented?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-24 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you go to:
 
 http://www.grizzlymanmovie.com/grizzly.html
 
 The song begins playing when the page loads.

Nice.  Thanks for the link.  Reminds me of Emmylou Harris'
version of the Townes Van Zandt song Pancho and Lefty.
Few songs manage to capture the *feel* of the West; this
is definitely one.  Interesting that it's by a Brit.

Speaking of all this noble loner in the wilderness stuffe,
if you don't know the Robert Redford film Jeremiah Johnson,
it is well worth your time.  Redford plays the real-life
title character, as an Easterner who travels to the West to
become a trapper, knowing diddleysquat about how to survive
there.  Fortunately, he runs into an old trapper who becomes
a kind of guru figure to him.

The basic plot is that Johnson, to save some pioneers' lives,
violates an Indian taboo and becomes a marked man.  For many
years afterwards, there was always one -- and, because he was
big medicine, only one -- Indian assigned to stalk and kill
him.  No matter where he went, no matter what he did, there
was always an Indian out there in the bushes waiting for the
opportunity to kill him.  After years of this, Johnson runs
into his old mentor, and they share some beans around the 
campfire and the old man says to his former apprentice,
You've come far, pilgrim.  Was it worth it, all the trouble?

Redford, in one of the most Zen moments ever captured on
film, says, What trouble?  One of my favorite moments 
in movies.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups



On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Speaking of all this noble loner in the wilderness stuffe, if you don't know the Robert Redford film "Jeremiah Johnson," it is well worth your time.  Redford plays the real-life title character, as an Easterner who travels to the West to become a trapper, knowing diddleysquat about how to survive there.  Fortunately, he runs into an old trapper who becomes a kind of guru figure to him. Yeah I remember seeing that on on big screen back when there when movie palaces were still around. Great flick.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:22 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote: To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only mention of this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take anti- oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with their immune systems. The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's pretty important.It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works.Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells "hoard" anything due to taking amrit kalash? Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it though. Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels of antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at all? I guess it would depend on what you mean by "sane". It's also going to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what type of tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to take a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment.OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals? Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been in effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out there that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these as well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent trial I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design. To see if there was an effect, or to try to eliminate a theoretical effect that hadn't been documented? To maximize the number of people who would go into remission.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:22 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 
 
 
  On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
 
 
  To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy
  because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only
 
  mention
 
 
 
  of
 
 
  this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take
 
 
  anti-
 
 
  oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with
 
  their
 
  immune systems.
 
 
 
  The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's
 
 
  pretty
 
 
  important.
 
 
 
 
  It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works.
 
 
 
 
  Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells hoard
 
  anything
 
  due to taking amrit kalash?
 
 
 
  Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it 
though.
 
 
 
  Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels
 
  of
 
  antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at
 
 
  all?
 
 
 
  I guess it would depend on what you mean by sane. It's also
 
 
  going
 
 
  to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what
 
  type
 
 
 
  of
 
 
  tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to
 
 
  take
 
 
  a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment.
 
 
 
 
  OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?
 
 
  Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been 
in
  effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to
  megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out
 
  there
 
  that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these
 
  as
 
  well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent
 
  trial
 
  I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design.
 
 
 
  To see if there was an effect, or to try to eliminate a 
theoretical
  effect that hadn't been documented?
 
 To maximize the number of people who would go into remission.


And they know this because...?

What evidence is there that taking Vitamin C or other antioxidant 
interferes with chemotherapy? Mechanism studies are _in vitro_, 
which means they aren't on living subjects where complex, non-linear 
interactions with literally unpredictable (when trying to extrapolate 
from test tube studies) results are the rule. The reference that was 
provided in this group was a to review that reports that there ARE 
studies showing reductions in side-effects from taking anti-oxidants 
during chemotherapy. There was also a study referenced in that review 
that reported a potentially significant greater mortality rate for 
people taking very large doses of pure vitamins during chemotherapy, 
but since some vitamins, like E, are known to promote heart attacks 
and other potentially fatal side effects in megadoses, this may have 
had nothing to do with any chemotherapy interaction, but just with 
run-of-the-mill overdose toxicity possibly combined with an overall 
weakened system either from the chemo, or the cancer or both. 

In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with 
antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant 
effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for 
most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a 
day.







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On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:22 AM, sparaig wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:






 On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:




 To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy
 because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only


 mention





 of



 this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take



 anti-



 oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with


 their


 immune systems.




 The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's



 pretty



 important.





 It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works.





 Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells hoard


 anything


 due to taking amrit kalash?




 Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it

 though.





 Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels


 of


 antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at



 all?




 I guess it would depend on what you mean by sane. It's also



 going



 to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what


 type





 of



 tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to



 take



 a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment.





 OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?



 Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been

 in

 effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to
 megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out


 there


 that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these


 as


 well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent


 trial


 I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design.




 To see if there was an effect, or to try to eliminate a

 theoretical

 effect that hadn't been documented?


 To maximize the number of people who would go into remission.



 And they know this because...?

 What evidence is there that taking Vitamin C or other antioxidant
 interferes with chemotherapy? Mechanism studies are _in vitro_,
 which means they aren't on living subjects where complex, non-linear
 interactions with literally unpredictable (when trying to extrapolate
 from test tube studies) results are the rule. The reference that was
 provided in this group was a to review that reports that there ARE
 studies showing reductions in side-effects from taking anti-oxidants
 during chemotherapy. There was also a study referenced in that review
 that reported a potentially significant greater mortality rate for
 people taking very large doses of pure vitamins during chemotherapy,
 but since some vitamins, like E, are known to promote heart attacks
 and other potentially fatal side effects in megadoses, this may have
 had nothing to do with any chemotherapy interaction, but just with
 run-of-the-mill overdose toxicity possibly combined with an overall
 weakened system either from the chemo, or the cancer or both.

 In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with
 antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant
 effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for
 most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a
 day.


Hey, do what you want, it's your life. You seem already sold, I don't  
think anything anyone says is going to change your mind.

We were pretty happy that we could put 95% of people into remission.  
It was a known counter-effect to the mechamism we were using--it was  
not chemotherapy but a new method.


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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote:
[...]
  In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with
  antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant
  effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for
  most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a
  day.
 
 
 Hey, do what you want, it's your life. You seem already sold, I 
don't  
 think anything anyone says is going to change your mind.
 
 We were pretty happy that we could put 95% of people into 
remission.  
 It was a known counter-effect to the mechamism we were using--it 
was  
 not chemotherapy but a new method.


So you're saying that antioxidants are a counter-effect to your new 
ethod... Does this mean that oranges and apples are out also? What 
about grape juice? 

BTW, where is this study on the 95% effective treatment published?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-24 Thread ffia1120

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees 
  that fastest growth towards enlightenment occurs by being in 
the 
  dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and 
 on my 
  schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me 
much 
  happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what 
 it 
  boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow 
 smoothly. 
  And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise 
  investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-)
 
 
 
 Question: why would you bother practicing a technique taught by a 
guy 
 whose opinions about the technique you don't respect?

It is possible, amongst mature adults, to have differences of opinion 
and still respect them. I certainly don't always agree with all of 
the ideas, beliefs, opinions held by my friends, but I respect their 
opinions and I respect THEM. And I respect Maharishi. I just don't 
agree with or believe everything he says.





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On Oct 24, 2005, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote: [...] In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a day.   Hey, do what you want, it's your life. You seem already sold, I  don't   think anything anyone says is going to change your mind.  We were pretty happy that we could put 95% of people into  remission.   It was a known counter-effect to the mechamism we were using--it  was   not chemotherapy but a new method.   So you're saying that antioxidants are a counter-effect to your "new  ethod..." Does this mean that oranges and apples are out also? What  about grape juice? No, not at all--you either don't get it or don't want to. 





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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2005, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  [...]
 
  In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with
  antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's 
antioxidant
  effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown 
for
  most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons 
twice a
  day.
 
 
 
  Hey, do what you want, it's your life. You seem already sold, I
 
  don't
 
  think anything anyone says is going to change your mind.
 
  We were pretty happy that we could put 95% of people into
 
  remission.
 
  It was a known counter-effect to the mechamism we were using--it
 
  was
 
  not chemotherapy but a new method.
 
 
 
  So you're saying that antioxidants are a counter-effect to 
your new
  ethod... Does this mean that oranges and apples are out also? 
What
  about grape juice?
 
 No, not at all--you either don't get it or don't want to.


Er, so what specifically about MAK or other antioxidants (as opposed 
to natural sources like oranges) are an issue?

You keep mentioning amla (sp) aka indian gooseberry as though it is 
particularly offensive, but its a natural source of vitamin C. So 
what is it about the ingredients of MAK that you have a problem with?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

On Oct 24, 2005, at 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 24, 2005, at 10:16 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote: [...] In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a day.Hey, do what you want, it's your life. You seem already sold, I don't think anything anyone says is going to change your mind. We were pretty happy that we could put 95% of people into remission. It was a known counter-effect to the mechamism we were using--it was not chemotherapy but a new method.So you're saying that antioxidants are a counter-effect to your "new ethod..." Does this mean that oranges and apples are out also? What about grape juice? No, not at all--you either don't get it or don't want to. Er, so what specifically about MAK or other antioxidants (as opposed to "natural" sources like oranges) are an issue?It's extremely powerful free radical scavenger. I think the TM literature points this out and it is also echoed in Indian research as well. I am surprised that you would not already know this. You keep mentioning amla (sp) aka indian gooseberry as though it is particularly offensive, but its a natural source of vitamin C. So what is it about the ingredients of MAK that you have a problem with? Scientists have been wondering what it is about amla that does make it so powerful for some time. The most recent suggestion I heard was that there were bound tannins that not only helped render it somewhat heat stable, but also very good as an antioxidant. Of course any plant material isn't going to be just one simple active ingredient, but also hundred of accessory chemicals.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2005, at 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote:

  Er, so what specifically about MAK or other antioxidants (as 
opposed
  to natural sources like oranges) are an issue?
 
 It's extremely powerful free radical scavenger. I think the TM  
 literature points this out and it is also echoed in Indian 
research  
 as well. I am surprised that you would not already know this.
 

I am well aware of this

 
  You keep mentioning amla (sp) aka indian gooseberry as though it 
is
  particularly offensive, but its a natural source of vitamin C. So
  what is it about the ingredients of MAK that you have a problem 
with?
 
 Scientists have been wondering what it is about amla that does 
make  
 it so powerful for some time. The most recent suggestion I heard 
was  
 that there were bound tannins that not only helped render it 
somewhat  
 heat stable, but also very good as an antioxidant. Of course any  
 plant material isn't going to be just one simple active 
ingredient,  
 but also hundred of accessory chemicals.


Yes indeed. However, oranges and many other fruits have this as well. 
You have no living test subject evidence that rational useage of anti-
oxidants are harmful or counter-indicated for use by chemotherapy 
patients. The only reference of possible harmful effects that I've 
seen mentioned here is for people taking massive doses of vitamins 
and minerals at a level that is already known to be detrimental to 
the health of some people and the evidence was only marginally 
significant, even then.

There are also published studies for MAK's use in relieving effects 
of chemo-therapy in animals, and a preliminary study in humans, and 
quite a few general studies have been published on the beneficial 
effects of other anti-oxidants in human chemotherapy patients.

The recommended avoidance of anti-oxidants is based on the err on 
the side of caution strategy of medical doctors. This is always 
something to consider, but you've turned this cautious approach into 
a blanket condemnation of what may be of benefit to many people.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups


On Oct 22, 2005, at 11:33 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:


 Can
 you point to older research that says otherwise?




 You need to be careful how you're defining antioxidant.

 Recommended

 doses of vitamin C probably won't have much issue. But taking a
 powerful antioxidant like amla is potentially dangerous for chemo

 and

 radiation therapy patients. For example I know since the craze of
 taking another powerful antioxidant (Pine bark extract IIRC)
 oncologists were saying NOT to take it during chemo or radiation
 therapy. Also turmeric is contraindicated in some breast ca

 regimes--

 and I believe that is an ingredient of amrit k.

 Caveat emptor!




 http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/content/full/55/5/319

This article refers to vitamins c and e as the antioxidants in  
question--imagine if you used something 1000 times more powerful than  
these like amrit kalash--you could seriously negate your cancer  
therapy. And the TMO is STILL recommending amrit for chemo/rad  
therapy patients!



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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy
  because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only mention 
of
  this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take 
anti-
  oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with their
  immune systems.
 
 The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's 
pretty  
 important.
 

It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works.

 
  Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells hoard anything
  due to taking amrit kalash?
 
 Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it though.
 
  Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels of
  antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at 
all?
 
 I guess it would depend on what you mean by sane. It's also 
going  
 to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what type 
of  
 tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to 
take  
 a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment.


OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  Can
  you point to older research that says otherwise?
 
 
 
 You need to be careful how you're defining antioxidant. 
Recommended  
 doses of vitamin C probably won't have much issue. But taking a  
 powerful antioxidant like amla is potentially dangerous for chemo 
and  
 radiation therapy patients. For example I know since the craze of  
 taking another powerful antioxidant (Pine bark extract IIRC)  
 oncologists were saying NOT to take it during chemo or radiation  
 therapy. Also turmeric is contraindicated in some breast ca regimes-
- 
 and I believe that is an ingredient of amrit k.
 
 Caveat emptor!


Between 50 and 75% of all oncologists currently say don't take 
antioxidants period. Can you point to human/animal research that 
backs up their recommendation?






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
  
   Can
   you point to older research that says otherwise?
  
  
  
  You need to be careful how you're defining antioxidant. 
 Recommended  
  doses of vitamin C probably won't have much issue. But taking a  
  powerful antioxidant like amla is potentially dangerous for chemo 
 and  
  radiation therapy patients. For example I know since the craze 
of  
  taking another powerful antioxidant (Pine bark extract IIRC)  
  oncologists were saying NOT to take it during chemo or radiation  
  therapy. Also turmeric is contraindicated in some breast ca 
 regimes-- 
  and I believe that is an ingredient of amrit k.
  
  Caveat emptor!
 
 
 
 http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/content/full/55/5/319



And the benefits of megadoses of pure vitamins were found to be 
suspect, which is often the case for any disease treated by vitamin 
pills, even though it is well-established that these vitamins DO have 
an effect when they come from natural sources. Note that apparently 
none of these studies were on natural sources of these vitamins. And 
of course, none were on MAK anyway.

Like I said, telling someone not to eat something due to a worry 
about mechanism when there is ample evidence thatthere IS an in vitro 
positive effect is silly.

BTW, the amount of tumeric found in MAK is tiny since its listed 14th 
on the list of ingredients.







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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 22, 2005, at 11:33 PM, bbrigante wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
 
  Can
  you point to older research that says otherwise?
 
 
 
 
  You need to be careful how you're defining antioxidant.
 
  Recommended
 
  doses of vitamin C probably won't have much issue. But taking a
  powerful antioxidant like amla is potentially dangerous for chemo
 
  and
 
  radiation therapy patients. For example I know since the craze of
  taking another powerful antioxidant (Pine bark extract IIRC)
  oncologists were saying NOT to take it during chemo or radiation
  therapy. Also turmeric is contraindicated in some breast ca
 
  regimes--
 
  and I believe that is an ingredient of amrit k.
 
  Caveat emptor!
 
 
 
 
  http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/content/full/55/5/319
 
 This article refers to vitamins c and e as the antioxidants in  
 question--imagine if you used something 1000 times more powerful 
than  
 these like amrit kalash--you could seriously negate your cancer  
 therapy. And the TMO is STILL recommending amrit for chemo/rad  
 therapy patients!


But more powerful doesn't mean the same as. And in vivo studies on 
rats show that there is a direct positive effect fromthe interaction 
of MAK and chemo. Likewise with a recent study on humans.

Also, vitamin pills are almost never as effective as eating natural 
sources. Telling people not to take vitamin C during chemo without 
direct evidence that it effects one in a negative way means telling 
cancer patients they shouldn't eat oranges since the average organce 
has more than the MDR of C.






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On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:


 To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy
 because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only mention

 of

 this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take

 anti-

 oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with their
 immune systems.


 The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's

 pretty

 important.



 It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works.



 Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells hoard anything
 due to taking amrit kalash?


 Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it though.


 Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels of
 antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at

 all?


 I guess it would depend on what you mean by sane. It's also

 going

 to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what type

 of

 tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to

 take

 a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment.



 OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?

Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been in  
effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to  
megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out there  
that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these as  
well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent trial  
I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design.


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On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:46 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Oct 22, 2005, at 11:33 PM, bbrigante wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote:



 Can
 you point to older research that says otherwise?





 You need to be careful how you're defining antioxidant.


 Recommended


 doses of vitamin C probably won't have much issue. But taking a
 powerful antioxidant like amla is potentially dangerous for chemo


 and


 radiation therapy patients. For example I know since the craze of
 taking another powerful antioxidant (Pine bark extract IIRC)
 oncologists were saying NOT to take it during chemo or radiation
 therapy. Also turmeric is contraindicated in some breast ca


 regimes--


 and I believe that is an ingredient of amrit k.

 Caveat emptor!





 http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/content/full/55/5/319


 This article refers to vitamins c and e as the antioxidants in
 question--imagine if you used something 1000 times more powerful

 than

 these like amrit kalash--you could seriously negate your cancer
 therapy. And the TMO is STILL recommending amrit for chemo/rad
 therapy patients!



 But more powerful doesn't mean the same as. And in vivo studies on
 rats show that there is a direct positive effect fromthe interaction
 of MAK and chemo. Likewise with a recent study on humans.

 Also, vitamin pills are almost never as effective as eating natural
 sources. Telling people not to take vitamin C during chemo without
 direct evidence that it effects one in a negative way means telling
 cancer patients they shouldn't eat oranges since the average organce
 has more than the MDR of C.

In terms of the ability to negate free radical mechanisms, it means a  
likely greater chance that it would counter the effect.

A good example would be pycnogenol--it has similar antioxidant  
activity of MAK and it is contraindicated for chem and rad therapy.  
In regards to vitmains you would have to be taking huge amounts of C  
to get similar effects of MAK--and by then you'd reach bowel  
tolerance most likely. This seems common sense to me, probably less  
so for TB's who actually believe TMO research tells the truth...



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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?
 
 Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been 
 in effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to  
 megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out 
 there that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings 
 on these as well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know 
 in a recent trial I was involved in, these were all parts of 
 the study design.

Vaj, I've missed out on this whole brouhaha, and am
somewhat thankful for that :-), but your comment does
inspire a question.  Have you heard of any Western
cancer studies involving the reishi mushroom?  The
word I got from a Chinese tonic herbalist I knew
was that in Japan, its benefits are so well documented
that no course of chemotherapy is ever prescribed
without supplementing it with a regimen of reishi,
the reason being that the survival rates go up
considerably.

Also, on another subject entirely, do you know
about the Bruce Cockburn Full House DVD?  It's a 
live recording from (I think...I have received my
copy but been unable to watch it yet because I've
been moving) Germany, during the era of one of his
hottest bands, when he was touring with both Hugh
Marsh on violin and his brother Fergus Marsh on
the Chapman Stick.  

Unc









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On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:35 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote:


 OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals?


 Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been
 in effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to
 megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out
 there that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings
 on these as well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know
 in a recent trial I was involved in, these were all parts of
 the study design.


 Vaj, I've missed out on this whole brouhaha, and am
 somewhat thankful for that :-), but your comment does
 inspire a question.  Have you heard of any Western
 cancer studies involving the reishi mushroom?  The
 word I got from a Chinese tonic herbalist I knew
 was that in Japan, its benefits are so well documented
 that no course of chemotherapy is ever prescribed
 without supplementing it with a regimen of reishi,
 the reason being that the survival rates go up
 considerably.

I remember hearing about it but have not read anything on it.


 Also, on another subject entirely, do you know
 about the Bruce Cockburn Full House DVD?  It's a
 live recording from (I think...I have received my
 copy but been unable to watch it yet because I've
 been moving) Germany, during the era of one of his
 hottest bands, when he was touring with both Hugh
 Marsh on violin and his brother Fergus Marsh on
 the Chapman Stick.

No I hadn't heard. There was a Rumours of Glory tape years ago and  
that the last I heard other than River of Sand. Is it in US  
distribution? If not I should be able to order it from Amazon Germany.



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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Also, on another subject entirely, do you know
  about the Bruce Cockburn Full House DVD?  It's a
  live recording from (I think...I have received my
  copy but been unable to watch it yet because I've
  been moving) Germany, during the era of one of his
  hottest bands, when he was touring with both Hugh
  Marsh on violin and his brother Fergus Marsh on
  the Chapman Stick.
 
 No I hadn't heard. There was a Rumours of Glory tape years ago and  
 that the last I heard other than River of Sand. Is it in US  
 distribution? If not I should be able to order it from Amazon 
 Germany.

Or from Amazon UK.  








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On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:51 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Also, on another subject entirely, do you know
 about the Bruce Cockburn Full House DVD?  It's a
 live recording from (I think...I have received my
 copy but been unable to watch it yet because I've
 been moving) Germany, during the era of one of his
 hottest bands, when he was touring with both Hugh
 Marsh on violin and his brother Fergus Marsh on
 the Chapman Stick.


 No I hadn't heard. There was a Rumours of Glory tape years ago and
 that the last I heard other than River of Sand. Is it in US
 distribution? If not I should be able to order it from Amazon
 Germany.


 Or from Amazon UK.

Incidentally, have you seen the movie _Grizzly Man_ yet? It was a  
winner at Sundance here. One of my favorite singer/songwriters (and a  
brilliant guitarist), Richard Thompson (who is a friend of Bruce's),  
did the soundtrack. If you haven't heard the track that's getting a  
lotta play here on independent radio, you gotta hear Coyote. It's  
on iTunes Music store. Riveting.



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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Incidentally, have you seen the movie _Grizzly Man_ yet? It was a  
 winner at Sundance here. One of my favorite singer/songwriters (and  
 brilliant guitarist), Richard Thompson (who is a friend of Bruce's),  
 did the soundtrack. If you haven't heard the track that's getting a  
 lotta play here on independent radio, you gotta hear Coyote. It's  
 on iTunes Music store. Riveting.

I'll definitely check it out.  Thanks.  Around here
a documentary called Le Dernier Trappeur is also
getting good press.










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On Oct 23, 2005, at 6:24 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Incidentally, have you seen the movie _Grizzly Man_ yet? It was a
 winner at Sundance here. One of my favorite singer/songwriters (and
 brilliant guitarist), Richard Thompson (who is a friend of Bruce's),
 did the soundtrack. If you haven't heard the track that's getting a
 lotta play here on independent radio, you gotta hear Coyote. It's
 on iTunes Music store. Riveting.


 I'll definitely check it out.  Thanks.  Around here
 a documentary called Le Dernier Trappeur is also
 getting good press.

If you go to:

http://www.grizzlymanmovie.com/grizzly.html

The song begins playing when the page loads.

The song reminds me of when we saw Dave Alvin--another great American  
singer/songwriter. He played Blue Hill town hall last winter, a small  
venue, no doubt. He told this story about Everett Reuss. Everett was  
a young kid who in the 30's just left his family in California and  
explored the great western wildreness. He kept a journal of poetry  
and exploits and painted pictures wherever he went--trading his  
paintings for provisions as he trecked what was the still then the  
great wild west. He eventually disappaearred into the great Escalante  
Badlands and was never heard from again. Indian medicine men in the  
west claim to see him in visions. He was initiated into the Snake  
dance and numerous other mysteries like the native healing songs.  
Anyways Dave wrote this song which tells Everett's story. He prefaced  
it with imagine your in a campground in the four corners region and  
this old man walks in and begins telling you this story of his life  
and how he was thought to be dead. I get the same goosebumps when I  
hear Coyotes.

Well I hate your crowded cities
With your sad and hopeless mobs
And I hate your grand cathedrals
Where you try to trap God.





EVERETT RUESS
Dave Alvin
(Blue Horn Toad Music, BMI)

I was born Everett Ruess
I been dead for sixty years
I was just a young boy in my twenties
The day I disappeared.

Into the Grand Escalante Badlands
Near the Utah and Arizona line
And they never found my body, boys
Or understood my mind.

I grew up in California
And I loved my family and my home
But I ran away to the High Sierra
Where I could live free and alone.

And folks said He's just another wild kid
And he'll grow out of it in time,
But they never found my body boys
Or understood my mind.

I broke broncos with the cowboys
I sang healing songs with the Navajo
I did the snake dance with the Hopi
And I drew pictures everywhere I go.

Then I swapped all my drawings for provisions
To get what I needed to get by
And they never found my body, boys
Or understood my mind.

Well I hate your crowded cities
With your sad and hopeless mobs
And I hate your grand cathedrals
Where you try to trap God.

'Cause I know God is here in the canyons
With the rattlesnakes and the pinon pines
And they never found my body, boys
Or understood my mind.

They say I was killed by a drifter
Or I froze to death in the snow
Maybe mauled by a wildcat
Or Iím liviní down in Mexico.

But my end, it doesnít really matter
All that counts is how you live your life
And they never found my body, boys
Or understood my mind.

You give your dreams away as you get older
Oh, but I never gave up mine
And theyíll never find my body, boys
Or understand my mind.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-23 Thread Rick Archer

on 10/23/05 4:43 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Also, on another subject entirely, do you know
 about the Bruce Cockburn Full House DVD?  It's a
 live recording from (I think...I have received my
 copy but been unable to watch it yet because I've
 been moving) Germany, during the era of one of his
 hottest bands, when he was touring with both Hugh
 Marsh on violin and his brother Fergus Marsh on
 the Chapman Stick.
 
 No I hadn't heard. There was a Rumours of Glory tape years ago and
 that the last I heard other than River of Sand. Is it in US
 distribution? If not I should be able to order it from Amazon Germany.

Barry, do you have NetFlix over in France, or something like it?




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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 10/23/05 4:43 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Also, on another subject entirely, do you know
  about the Bruce Cockburn Full House DVD?  It's a
  live recording from (I think...I have received my
  copy but been unable to watch it yet because I've
  been moving) Germany, during the era of one of his
  hottest bands, when he was touring with both Hugh
  Marsh on violin and his brother Fergus Marsh on
  the Chapman Stick.
  
  No I hadn't heard. There was a Rumours of Glory tape years ago and
  that the last I heard other than River of Sand. Is it in US
  distribution? If not I should be able to order it from Amazon 
Germany.
 
 Barry, do you have NetFlix over in France, or something like it?

Something like it, called Locafilm.  Same concept.
I'll be using it heavily.  I just moved my stuff
to my new place, which is in a village 40 minutes
from the nearest movie theater.  In preparation,
I've been building a HD home cinema system and
buying lotsa DVDs.  But they keep making new
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-22 Thread Vaj


On Oct 22, 2005, at 12:02 AM, sparaig wrote:



 To stop vomiting? To stop aids? Research on amrit shows ?


 It's an immune system balancer. It is known to reduce side
 effects,including nausia, from anti-cancer drugs.

And therefore diminishes chemo effectiveness. Chemo works by  
*causing* oxidative damage to cancer cells till they die. Amla, the  
main ingredient in Amrit Kalash does the opposite, it helps stop  
oxidation and free radical damage. Sure you'll feel more comfortable  
because the chemo will have a hard time doing its job since you are  
stopping the free radical action do what it is designed to do.

If people are wondering WHY TMer's seem to die so much of cancer,  
they might want to look into this. It never ceases to amaze may what  
TMer's will believe.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-22 Thread Peter



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snip
 
 Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is
 the author of 
 The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real
 careful to follow every 
 dictate from MMY.

Denise is totally cool. She is very one pointed and
devoted to MMY, but her thinking is very far from that
of the typical TB. Brilliant, witty, fun woman.




 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-22 Thread Rick Archer

on 10/21/05 7:24 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
 permanently move
 here.
 
 Do you know who they are?
 
 Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...
 
 
 Just curious:
 
 Do both teach full time?

Yes.
 
 Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?

Don't know.
 
 Are they getting their recert salaries?

Don't know.
 
 Are they teaching many at current prices?

Yes.

I think they just went down there. Their daughter is living in my sister's
house here in Fairfield.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-22 Thread Rick Archer

on 10/21/05 10:39 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago --
 he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a
 marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other
 side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and
 forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death
 on 
 vomit:
 
 http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788printsafe=1
 
 
 I have often wondered if he ever tried amrit kalash. Given his
 decision to stop TM, I rather doubt it.

I don't think it was available back then, but is there any evidence it would
help cure AIDS?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-22 Thread Rick Archer

on 10/21/05 10:30 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of
 The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every
 dictate from MMY.
 
 Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams.

Two very different people.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
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 Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a directory of 'active 
 spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield.  Twenty seven groups 
listed.  
 
 In looking over the list there is a range, but they are active ones.  
 Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice going on here 
 independent of the TMO.  Going through the list, it is pretty evident 
 too that there are now way more people living here doing 'other 
 things'than going to the domes.
 
 -Doug


And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go off the program, 
rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of course, is their 
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a
 directory of 'active 
  spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield.  Twenty
 seven groups 
 listed.  
  
  In looking over the list there is a range, but
 they are active ones.  
  Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice
 going on here 
  independent of the TMO.  Going through the list,
 it is pretty evident 
  too that there are now way more people living here
 doing 'other 
  things'than going to the domes.
  
  -Doug
 
 
 And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go
 off the program, 
 rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of
 course, is their 
 choice, but certainly explains why so few people are
 in the domes.

But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is
the $100 monthly expense that for many people in
Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the
marginal job market. Another is that people do their
program at home.




 
 
 
 
 
 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  dhamiltony2k5 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a
  directory of 'active 
   spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield.  Twenty
  seven groups 
  listed.  
   
   In looking over the list there is a range, but
  they are active ones.  
   Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice
  going on here 
   independent of the TMO.  Going through the list,
  it is pretty evident 
   too that there are now way more people living here
  doing 'other 
   things'than going to the domes.
   
   -Doug
  
  
  And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go
  off the program, 
  rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of
  course, is their 
  choice, but certainly explains why so few people are
  in the domes.
 
 But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is
 the $100 monthly expense that for many people in
 Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the
 marginal job market. Another is that people do their
 program at home.

Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as far 
back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his 
#1 best practice for fastest growth towards enlightenment.
 
I'm wondering how many people who can't afford the dome fees can 
afford cable...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-21 Thread dhamiltony2k5

Yes, it is interesting to see who all is still here when you go to 
these 'other' programs.  For instance, this last summer when the 
lady-saints tours came through.  Ammachi gave darshan to about 4000 
people while she was here. Yes, some people travel here to see her 
here but a lot of those people were from here.  Similar thing with 
Karunamayi.  Again recently with Bapuji, an elderly holy man who 
came through and gave darshan.  It was very interesting to see who 
came out of the woodwork this year in particular after the whole 're-
certification' thing on campus effectively spun so many  out of 
responsibility for the movement.   

Now, there may be a couple of thousand adult meditators who remain 
living in the larger meditating community and only just a few 
hundred true-believers up on campus or up north in just the TMO 
fold.  Yet most meditators who occassionally git asked if they 
are 'meditators', might generically say 'yes they came here as 
meditators' and then more freely distance themselves now from that 
which is 'TMO'.  

As the Weekly Reader article says, FF has become something else.

-Doug



sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go off the 
program,
rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of course, is their
choice, but certainly explains why so few people are in the domes.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a directory 
of 'active 
  spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield.  Twenty seven groups 
 listed.  
  
  In looking over the list there is a range, but they are active 
ones.  
  Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice going on here 
  independent of the TMO.  Going through the list, it is pretty 
evident 
  too that there are now way more people living here doing 'other 
  things'than going to the domes.
  
  -Doug
 






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
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 Yes, it is interesting to see who all is still here when you go to 
 these 'other' programs.  For instance, this last summer when the 
 lady-saints tours came through.  Ammachi gave darshan to about 4000 
 people while she was here. Yes, some people travel here to see her 
 here but a lot of those people were from here.  Similar thing with 
 Karunamayi.  Again recently with Bapuji, an elderly holy man who 
 came through and gave darshan.  It was very interesting to see who 
 came out of the woodwork this year in particular after the 
whole 're-
 certification' thing on campus effectively spun so many  out of 
 responsibility for the movement.   
 
 Now, there may be a couple of thousand adult meditators who remain 
 living in the larger meditating community and only just a few 
 hundred true-believers up on campus or up north in just the TMO 
 fold.  Yet most meditators who occassionally git asked if they 
 are 'meditators', might generically say 'yes they came here as 
 meditators' and then more freely distance themselves now from that 
 which is 'TMO'.  
 
 As the Weekly Reader article says, FF has become something else.
 
 -Doug

The TMO goes through cycles. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-21 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis

Spare egg writes:
The TMO goes through cycles. 

Tom T:
Yes! it looks like death is not far away. 





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 Spare egg writes:
 The TMO goes through cycles. 
 
 Tom T:
 Yes! it looks like death is not far away.

Unusual case though. It looks like rigor mortis is
actually proceeding death.

On another note, won't it be strange when MMY drops
the body? TMO/MMY for so many of us has been such a
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-21 Thread ffia1120

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is
  the $100 monthly expense that for many people in
  Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the
  marginal job market. Another is that people do their
  program at home.
 
 Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as far 
 back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his 
 #1 best practice for fastest growth towards enlightenment.
  
 I'm wondering how many people who can't afford the dome fees can 
 afford cable...

It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees 
that fastest growth towards enlightenment occurs by being in the 
dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and on my 
schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me much 
happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what it 
boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow smoothly. 
And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise 
investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-)





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 Spare egg writes:
 The TMO goes through cycles. 
 
 Tom T:
 Yes! it looks like death is not far away.


Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to permanently move 
here.






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is
   the $100 monthly expense that for many people in
   Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the
   marginal job market. Another is that people do their
   program at home.
  
  Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as 
far 
  back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his 
  #1 best practice for fastest growth towards enlightenment.
   
  I'm wondering how many people who can't afford the dome fees 
can 
  afford cable...
 
 It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees 
 that fastest growth towards enlightenment occurs by being in the 
 dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and 
on my 
 schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me much 
 happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what 
it 
 boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow 
smoothly. 
 And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise 
 investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-)



Question: why would you bother practicing a technique taught by a guy 
whose opinions about the technique you don't respect?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-21 Thread peterklutz


When writing signing a death certificate it is generally a good idea
to first properly identify the stiff in question.. What is the TMO? 



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 Spare egg writes:
 The TMO goes through cycles. 
 
 Tom T:
 Yes! it looks like death is not far away.







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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
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 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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   wrote:
But that certainly is not the only reason.
 Another is
the $100 monthly expense that for many people
 in
Fairfield is more than they can afford because
 of the
marginal job market. Another is that people do
 their
program at home.
   
   Which goes back to the group practice thing,
 which MMY has, as 
 far 
   back as my participation in the sidhis program
 goes, been his 
   #1 best practice for fastest growth towards
 enlightenment.

   I'm wondering how many people who can't afford
 the dome fees 
 can 
   afford cable...
  
  It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone
 believes or agrees 
  that fastest growth towards enlightenment occurs
 by being in the 
  dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet,
 comfortable home and 
 on my 
  schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes.
 It makes me much 
  happier to do my program in my own space. And for
 me, that's what 
 it 
  boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my
 life flow 
 smoothly. 
  And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement
 account. A wise 
  investment for me, personally. I have cable too.
 :-)
 
 
 
 Question: why would you bother practicing a
 technique taught by a guy 
 whose opinions about the technique you don't
 respect?

MMY may be one crazy mother f**ker, but his techniques
are the shiz niz.


 
 
 
 
 
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  Spare egg writes:
  The TMO goes through cycles. 
  
  Tom T:
  Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
 
 
 Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
 permanently move 
 here.

Do you know who they are?


 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Spare egg writes:
 The TMO goes through cycles. 
 
 Tom T:
 Yes! it looks like death is not far away.

But it could ut be one heck of a wake! 

(I'll bring some Bushmills for appropriate toasting the deceased. 
Unc, you bring the twins.)









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 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In 
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   Spare egg writes:
   The TMO goes through cycles. 
   
   Tom T:
   Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
  
  
  Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
  permanently move 
  here.
 
 Do you know who they are?

Mr. and Mrs. Atman. duh.





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  Spare egg writes:
  The TMO goes through cycles. 
  
  Tom T:
  Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
 
 But it could ut be one heck of a wake! 
 
 (I'll bring some Bushmills for appropriate toasting
 the deceased. 
 Unc, you bring the twins.)

I'll bring a 40 ounce to poor out on the ground to
give respect to the newly deceased.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-21 Thread jim_flanegin

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wrote:
 
  
  
  --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In 
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Spare egg writes:
The TMO goes through cycles. 

Tom T:
Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
   
   
   Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
   permanently move 
   here.
  
  Do you know who they are?
 
 Mr. and Mrs. Atman. duh.

Would that be Mr. and Mrs. Where It's Atman?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

2005-10-21 Thread gullible fool


 When writing signing a death certificate it is
 generally a good idea
 to first properly identify the stiff in question..
 What is the TMO? 

I'm really confused here, because I thought we, the 
TM devotees, were the ones getting stiffed.

--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 When writing signing a death certificate it is
 generally a good idea
 to first properly identify the stiff in question..
 What is the TMO? 
 
 
 
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  The TMO goes through cycles. 
  
  Tom T:
  Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In 
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   Spare egg writes:
   The TMO goes through cycles. 
   
   Tom T:
   Yes! it looks like death is not far away.
  
  
  Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
  permanently move 
  here.
 
 Do you know who they are?

Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...





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   Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
   permanently move 
   here.
  
  Do you know who they are?
 
 Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...


Just curious:

Do both teach full time?

Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?

Are they getting their recert salaries?

Are they teaching many at current prices?








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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
permanently move 
here.
   
   Do you know who they are?
  
  Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...
 
 
 Just curious:
 
 Do both teach full time?
 
 Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?
 
 Are they getting their recert salaries?
 
 Are they teaching many at current prices?


Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of 
The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every 
dictate from MMY.





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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
 permanently move 
 here.

Do you know who they are?
   
   Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...
  
  
  Just curious:
  
  Do both teach full time?
  
  Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?
  
  Are they getting their recert salaries?
  
  Are they teaching many at current prices?
 
 
 Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of 
 The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every 
 dictate from MMY.

Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams.

Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And when
cc was not established as promised  -- he stopped and moved on. 







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2005-10-21 Thread bbrigante

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wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
  permanently move 
  here.
 
 Do you know who they are?

Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...
   
   
   Just curious:
   
   Do both teach full time?
   
   Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?
   
   Are they getting their recert salaries?
   
   Are they teaching many at current prices?
  
  
  Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author 
of 
  The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow 
every 
  dictate from MMY.
 


 Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams.
 
 Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And 
when
 cc was not established as promised  -- he stopped and moved on. 
 


*

I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- 
he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a 
marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other 
side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and 
forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death on 
vomit:

http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788printsafe=1






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
  permanently move 
  here.
 
 Do you know who they are?

Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...
   
   
   Just curious:
   
   Do both teach full time?
   
   Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?
   
   Are they getting their recert salaries?
   
   Are they teaching many at current prices?
  
  
  Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author 
of 
  The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow 
every 
  dictate from MMY.
 
 Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams.
 
 Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And 
when
 cc was not established as promised  -- he stopped and moved on. 
 


Rather anal of him, I thought then and still do. And Denise bought 
out Peter McWilliams many years ago. The title has been released in 
several editions overthe years with her name as the only author.






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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
   permanently move 
   here.
  
  Do you know who they are?
 
 Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...


Just curious:

Do both teach full time?

Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?

Are they getting their recert salaries?

Are they teaching many at current prices?
   
   
   Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author 
 of 
   The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow 
 every 
   dictate from MMY.
  
 
 
  Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams.
  
  Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And 
 when
  cc was not established as promised  -- he stopped and moved on. 
  
 
 
 *
 
 I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- 
 he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a 
 marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other 
 side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and 
 forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death 
on 
 vomit:
 
 http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788printsafe=1


I have often wondered if he ever tried amrit kalash. Given his 
decision to stop TM, I rather doubt it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups

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Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to
permanently move 
here.
   
   Do you know who they are?
  
  Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby...
 
 
 Just curious:
 
 Do both teach full time?
 
 Do they live in and teach out of a SV building?
 
 Are they getting their recert salaries?
 
 Are they teaching many at current prices?


Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author 
  of 
The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow 
  every 
dictate from MMY.
   
  
  
   Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams.
   
   Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And 
  when
   cc was not established as promised  -- he stopped and moved on. 
   
  
  
  *
  
  I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- 
  he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a 
  marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other 
  side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and 
  forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death 
 on 
  vomit:
  
  http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788printsafe=1
 
 
 I have often wondered if he ever tried amrit kalash. Given his 
 decision to stop TM, I rather doubt it.



To stop vomiting? To stop aids? Research on amrit shows ?

And he seemed pretty open minded. In TMO days. And in his books,
particularly later ones. He wrote a well received book on
libertarianism. And he smoked weed and hung out with Bill Buckley.
Shows some flexibility. 











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