Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 9/24/2014 9:28 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who apparently have 
forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy material. ;-) Oops.
 >
 You forgot that Barry IS the lurking reporter, sending in reports to a science 
magazine - it's just that what he is reporting is old news, gleaned from Rick 
and MJ and then simplified for the average science reader.
 >
 
 >
 On 9/25/2014 9:06 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
 >
 That explains why Rick Archer rarely responds.
 
 >
 This might also explain how Rick Archer became the informant since he is the 
source of most of our news and the old news comes from MJ, which is then sent 
to the science magazine by the science writer, after the absent editor has made 
the necessary corrections. So, with this system you can see why we never get 
any news that fits that we can use.

Rick's news is propaganda. He is self-serving his Worldwide Enterprise to 
become the Ed Sullivan of the Spiritual Vauldville Show. 

I sometimes tune in; even Sullivan had the Beatles and Stones. So because he 
runs a variety show, sometimes the Guest has something worthwhile. The rest are 
just infomercials.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 9/24/2014 9:28 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who
apparently have forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy
material. ;-) Oops.


>
/You forgot that Barry IS the lurking reporter, sending in reports
to a science magazine - it's just that what he is reporting is old
news, gleaned from Rick and MJ and then simplified for the average
science reader./
>


>
On 9/25/2014 9:06 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
>



That explains why Rick Archer rarely responds.



>
/This might also explain how Rick Archer became the informant since he 
is the source of most of our news and the old news comes from MJ, which 
is then sent to the science magazine by the science writer, after the 
absent editor has made the necessary corrections/. /So, with this system 
you can see why we never get any news that fits that we can use./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   
 
 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do

 >
 On 9/24/2014 8:29 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
 .
 I like Barry's film and television reviews. His book reviews, not-so-much,

 >
 We like some of his film reviews - TV reviews not so much, and Barry has 
apparently only read a single book in ten years - Awake by Sam Harris, at least 
that he has reviewed on FFL. What I like best are his stories about 
super-normal power demonstrations by Rama, but he won't talk very much about 
them. Go figure.
 

Revision, Revision!

In my previous post, please replace "tv" with "Leonard Cohen". Need to give 
credit where due. (still listening to Popular Problems.   
 
 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do

 >
 On 9/24/2014 8:29 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
 .
 I like Barry's film and television reviews. His book reviews, not-so-much,

 >
 We like some of his film reviews - TV reviews not so much, and Barry has 
apparently only read a single book in ten years - Awake by Sam Harris, at least 
that he has reviewed on FFL. What I like best are his stories about 
super-normal power demonstrations by Rama, but he won't talk very much about 
them. Go figure.
 

Revision, Revision!

In my previous post, please replace "tv" with "Leonard Cohen". Need to give 
credit where due. (still listening to 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry 
you've fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with 
an occasional informational or humorous post.


If you could only see yourself like most others 
do

>
On 9/24/2014 8:29 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
.

I like Barry's film and television reviews. His book reviews, not-so-much,

>
We like some of his film reviews - TV reviews not so much, and Barry has 
apparently only read a single book in ten years - Awake by Sam Harris, 
at least that he has reviewed on FFL. What I like best are his stories 
about super-normal power demonstrations by Rama, but he won't talk very 
much about them. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 9/24/2014 9:28 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who apparently have 
forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy material. ;-) Oops.
 >
 You forgot that Barry IS the lurking reporter, sending in reports to a science 
magazine - it's just that what he is reporting is old news, gleaned from Rick 
and MJ and then simplified for the average science reader.
 >
 That explains why Rick Archer rarely responds.
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :

 >
 
 
 Now wait a minute, bawee still has three whole people who give him the time of 
day: Sal, MJ and Susan (when she bothers to show up). 




 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/24/2014 9:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Maharishi was a liar and a fraud - if he is your high water mark for 
optimism, then you are in bad shape.

>
It looks like we've got a FFL war on women. Just based on the postings 
here, I'd say at least one informant has a real problem.

>

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it 
is about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist 
in others. Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to 
believe in unusual and interesting phenomena and to attempt to 
ridicule those who are willing to consider unsubstantiated events 
possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these people kill joys or are 
they something else? Why do they seek to bring everything down to the 
level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New York Dan.

Signed,
Ann in Distress

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 9/24/2014 9:28 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who apparently 
have forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy material. ;-) Oops.



>
/You forgot that Barry IS the lurking reporter, sending in reports to a 
science magazine - it's just that what he is reporting is old news, 
gleaned from Rick and MJ and then simplified for the average science 
reader./

>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

>



Now wait a minute, bawee still has three whole people who give him the 
time of day: Sal, MJ and Susan (when she bothers to show up).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't hear Dan making the claim that this was a genuine miracle. 

 All I hear Dan stating is that there are aspects of metabolism and biology 
that we may not fully understand., and that Yogis may be capable of miracles 
along these lines in their own right.
 

 And there are many examples along those lines.
 

 But as usual you will twist whatever is said to suit your purposes.
 

 It is the lipstick on the pig thing, and you are the oinker. (-:
 
Missing Mike is up to his old deceptipns. But he fools only himself.

He asks a question. I answer. so far, so normal.

Thennn he springs his ingenous trap. The answer that I have provided is 
not the belief of his cult. Soo, it's "crap".

It would be funny, if not so tragic. To be trapped inside a prison of your own 
mind is painful. His preconceived anti-anything notion is hell.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are so full of crap - that's no answer - the real deal here is the belief 
that this guy is so aligned with the Absolute that it sustains him, if that 
were the case how could his physiology be so refined as to not need food, yet 
its not so refined that it still ages? I mean if his last meal was 70 year and 
one day ago, then he had that ability down pat, his body was that refined 7 
decades ago - if that were the case he would not have aged either - this man 
and his handlers are scam artists and you guys can't stand it. Let them submit 
to an examination by the Indian Rationalist society then lets talk. 

 

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi was a liar and a fraud - if he is your high water mark for optimism, 
then you are in bad shape. Now answer the question - how can the old man have 
not taken food or water, yet he has aged like everyone else? Where is his 
magical power?

 The Yogi Science allows an otherwise normal person (present company excluded) 
to refine a targeted aspect of his physiology.

Can you be for something? Anything?

Can you only thrive on hatred?

Your turn to answer some of my questions. I have answered dozens of yours; 
trying to be helpful.

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 

 Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is 
about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. 
Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual 
and interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
 Signed,
 Ann in Distress
 
 









 



Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't hear Dan making the claim that this was a genuine miracle. 

 All I hear Dan stating is that there are aspects of metabolism and biology 
that we may not fully understand., and that Yogis may be capable of miracles 
along these lines in their own right.
 

 And there are many examples along those lines.
 

 But as usual you will twist whatever is said to suit your purposes.
 

 It is the lipstick on the pig thing, and you are the oinker. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are so full of crap - that's no answer - the real deal here is the belief 
that this guy is so aligned with the Absolute that it sustains him, if that 
were the case how could his physiology be so refined as to not need food, yet 
its not so refined that it still ages? I mean if his last meal was 70 year and 
one day ago, then he had that ability down pat, his body was that refined 7 
decades ago - if that were the case he would not have aged either - this man 
and his handlers are scam artists and you guys can't stand it. Let them submit 
to an examination by the Indian Rationalist society then lets talk. 

 

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi was a liar and a fraud - if he is your high water mark for optimism, 
then you are in bad shape. Now answer the question - how can the old man have 
not taken food or water, yet he has aged like everyone else? Where is his 
magical power?

 The Yogi Science allows an otherwise normal person (present company excluded) 
to refine a targeted aspect of his physiology.

Can you be for something? Anything?

Can you only thrive on hatred?

Your turn to answer some of my questions. I have answered dozens of yours; 
trying to be helpful.

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 

 Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is 
about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. 
Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual 
and interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
 Signed,
 Ann in Distress
 
 









 



Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their rejection of Optimism is this: It is their defense 
against feeling that THEY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. That something big has gone by 
and they do not have it. It is lost forever.

Within each Poster here there is a 'sense' that there is More to Be Had. Each 
express it differently. Share sees More Beauty ahead. Mac enjoys Every Moment, 
Barry knows there's a great film, just now being conceived, awaiting him...

There enters Optimism and the-lack-th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann, it really does pain me to say this, but the posturing we see when Curtis 
comes around.  Oh my! 

 When he plays his atheist card!  My Lord, the posturing, the  posturing.  Oh 
the humanity!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   

 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do
 

 Now wait a minute, bawee still has three whole people who give him the time of 
day: Sal, MJ and Susan (when she bothers to show up). 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And maybe, somehow, it does point to a lack of experience.  Maybe not having 
had an experience that can't easily be explained by any kind of conventional 
science. 

 You get a few of those under your belt, and it can inform your view about 
things.
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world is as we are. 
 

 So if we think water will come out of a tap upwards it will?
 If you turn the faucet upside down it will.

 Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, is simply trying to limit 
their options, and put some mental boundaries in place.
 

 Who has dismissed anything out of hand?
 Sooos keep an open mind. (And shut the faucet)

  Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this to 
bolster the boundary. 
 

 Ah, so we all know it's a fraud now. Which magical happenings aren't frauds 
then? Is having a well defined sense of what is and isn't possible a bad thing? 
Maybe you don't care about knowledge at all. Go figure. 
 Wishing it so, doesn't make it so. Time for a "a well defined sense of what is 
and isn't possible" Check-up.

 Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, and makes them feel as 
if they are out of control. 
 

 So who is it that knows very little, the ones who think that food is optional 
or the ones who know that water flows downhill? I explained earlier about the 
upside down faucet. Keep an open mind.

 

 Those on here spinning pages of words about the unscientific nature, and 
therefore falseness, of anything without a scientific explanation, are simply 
afraid, masking fear with anger, or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)
 

 Ah yes, masking fear. That must be it. 
 Correcto mente (and trepidation about unknowns)

 Actually, I can see what's happening and it's a familiarly depressing story. 
People with cherished beliefs about magic don't like having them explained as 
being hoaxes or delusions and  accuse the (generally) scientific types who have 
bothered to learn a few things and want to explain it of being narrow-minded or 
limited in some way. You see it all the time in creationist arguments too.
 

 The funny thing is it's the "You can't prove fairies don't exist" crowd that 
lacks the imagination to grasp big concepts and the underlying awesomeness of 
creation. I used to know this TM girl and she would enthuse endlessly about 
Hagelin and his mad dribble, "But he's Harvard trained!" she'd protest. And a 
deluded cult zombie too, I'd point out. I'd then try and explain about what 
quantum theory actually says or lend her a book about the hard won 
understanding of nature we currently have but she'd just say she was more 
interested in spiritual physics. "But it's boring compared to John" she'd wail.
 

 That's the problem right there, anyone who thinks reality is boring or that 
science has it all explained is an idiot who walks around with their eyes 
closed. People want there to be fairies at the bottom of the garden because it 
makes it "better". I don't get it, I'd rather know the truth even if it means 
there's no magic at all but I've found the universe and all the life on Earth 
to be amazing enough as it is. And the journey isn't finished, and the joy of 
science is we'll never really know if it is finished.
 

 We are all different, you either love the wondrous universe that science has 
revealed or you prefer the invented authority of the mystics and religious 
Joe's who keep a thoroughly closed and uneducated mind about everything that 
means a belief their ego relies on might get shut down. 
 

 What depresses me is the anti-science crowd miss out on so much, imagine if 
the catholic church had had their way and stopped anyone speculating about the 
size of the universe and what stars are? How poor would we be now! Every time 
you look into the night sky and understand what you are seeing is because 
someone got burned at the stake by a True Believer. That's when science 
started, when curiousity overcame blind devotion. 
 

 I still have the hunger for knowledge I had when I was a kid, a week rarely 
goes by when I don't look at the moon through my telescope or read a new book 
about something I know nothing about. How scared and arrogant of me! 
 

 That's my lunch break almost over, time for a coffee, shall I hold the kettle 
above the tap or below it?
 

 Which way is the tap facing?

 

 


 

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[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It's sort of strange.  He posts something and then he runs away.  And then 
claims people are trying to engage him. 

 I don't know why, but the image of Boo Radley, hiding behind the door comes to 
mind.
 

 

 

 Come out Boo.  It's alright. No one is going to hurt you.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   

 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do
 
I like Barry's film and television reviews. His book reviews, not-so-much,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah rocks! I did a lot of hardscaping with them, and now have several huge 
boulders on the property - love 'em. The landscape around here is full of them 
- all from past volcanic eruptions. I know the science crowd will be up in 
arms, but those rocks have a very majestic consciousness.  

 Here is a well known feature on Mt. Lassen, called 'Vulcan's Eye'.
 
Dearest Share and fleet,
 Nice one. It took only 3 Posts to segway from Turquoisebee's hostility, anger 
and rage to Nature, Love and Majesty.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dan, I love rocks too. And trees and critters, the sun and sky, etc. And since 
we're talking about eating, I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi once 
said that a happy man could digest a rock. Isn't that cool? 

 


 On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:43 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

   From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 
 
 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 
 
 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 
 
 And seemingly threatened as well.
 
 
 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 












 >
 On 9/24/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 Exactly. 






 >
 Now the guy posting with the large blue text wants to butt in and bottom-post. 
What a nerd!
 >
 Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to become a 
Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some people here 
say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester and 
threaten them to get them to stop. 
 
 






 >
 So, it looks like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation events. 
Maybe talking about levitation pushes his buttons. Salya doesn't want to talk 
about the levitation claims because of the peer pressure from Barry. So let's 
review - which of these informants spent the most time working to promote a 
cult?
 >
 It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and 
halfway balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with 
Steve-o is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes 
should be "off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical 
Islamists in this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. 






 >
 Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and 
is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the 
ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
 >
 One of the reasons I stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be 
around when he finally goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and 
Michael and me.  :-)







 >
 Now this is funny - a guy that refuses to read our messages about the 
levitation claims, thinks we are putting a "fatwa"  on Salya and Barry.
 >
 
 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
 - Christopher Moore, Facebook 

"I love rocks
Gotta problem with that?"
-Dan Friedman, Fairfieldlife
 
 

 








 
 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years! [1 Attachment]

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah rocks! I did a lot of hardscaping with them, and now have several huge 
boulders on the property - love 'em. The landscape around here is full of them 
- all from past volcanic eruptions. I know the science crowd will be up in 
arms, but those rocks have a very majestic consciousness.  

 Here is a well known feature on Mt. Lassen, called 'Vulcan's Eye'.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dan, I love rocks too. And trees and critters, the sun and sky, etc. And since 
we're talking about eating, I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi once 
said that a happy man could digest a rock. Isn't that cool? 

 


 On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:43 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

   From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 
 
 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 
 
 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 
 
 And seemingly threatened as well.
 
 
 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 












 >
 On 9/24/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 Exactly. 






 >
 Now the guy posting with the large blue text wants to butt in and bottom-post. 
What a nerd!
 >
 Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to become a 
Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some people here 
say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester and 
threaten them to get them to stop. 
 
 






 >
 So, it looks like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation events. 
Maybe talking about levitation pushes his buttons. Salya doesn't want to talk 
about the levitation claims because of the peer pressure from Barry. So let's 
review - which of these informants spent the most time working to promote a 
cult?
 >
 It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and 
halfway balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with 
Steve-o is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes 
should be "off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical 
Islamists in this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. 






 >
 Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and 
is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the 
ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
 >
 One of the reasons I stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be 
around when he finally goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and 
Michael and me.  :-)







 >
 Now this is funny - a guy that refuses to read our messages about the 
levitation claims, thinks we are putting a "fatwa"  on Salya and Barry.
 >
 
 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
 - Christopher Moore, Facebook 

"I love rocks
Gotta problem with that?"
-Dan Friedman, Fairfieldlife
 
 

 








 
 


 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who apparently have 
forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy material. ;-) Oops.
 

 Actually, I did remember them but I don't believe they exist since I have yet 
to see any empirical evidence of such people and secondly if there are lurking 
reporters they are setting bawee up as the stooge, the one they are actually 
studying under the guise of him working for them to push other's buttons. It's 
complicated.
 
 Dearest Ann,

Let me make this simple for you.

Don't believe anything barry says.

You can't go far wrong with this simple guide.

Still helping Ann in these complex situations that she finds here at ffl.
d

p.s. the possible exceptions are tv and beer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who apparently have 
forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy material. ;-) Oops.
 

 Actually, I did remember them but I don't believe they exist since I have yet 
to see any empirical evidence of such people and secondly if there are lurking 
reporters they are setting bawee up as the stooge, the one they are actually 
studying under the guise of him working for them to push other's buttons. It's 
complicated.
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)
 

 bawee once more gives us a gleaming, no shining, example of his lack of 
reading and extrapolating abilities. In addition, if bawee is really as 
clueless as this hack of a post suggests he might also be a trouble maker who 
willingly twists what others say to suit his perverted agenda to create 
dissension and besmirch other's motives and character. bawee, the ultimate 
muckraking dickwad. There, I've said it.

 Very insightful, Ann.

You were able to describe Barry in many ways, including:
 reading and extrapolating advanced skills cluelessness hack troublemaker 
perverted dickwadthis is a good start.



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You are so full of crap - that's no answer - the real deal here is the belief 
that this guy is so aligned with the Absolute that it sustains him, if that 
were the case how could his physiology be so refined as to not need food, yet 
its not so refined that it still ages? I mean if his last meal was 70 year and 
one day ago, then he had that ability down pat, his body was that refined 7 
decades ago - if that were the case he would not have aged either - this man 
and his handlers are scam artists and you guys can't stand it. Let them submit 
to an examination by the Indian Rationalist society then lets talk. 




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Maharishi was a liar and a fraud - if he is your high water mark for optimism, 
then you are in bad shape. Now answer the question - how can the old man have 
not taken food or water, yet he has aged like everyone else? Where is his 
magical power?

The Yogi Science allows an otherwise normal person (present company excluded) 
to refine a targeted aspect of his physiology.

Can you be for something? Anything?

Can you only thrive on hatred?

Your turn to answer some of my questions. I have answered dozens of yours; 
trying to be helpful.



 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything 
In 70 Years!



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.

Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 


Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it,
yet it can't keep him from aging? 

I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall
behind the statue.

This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.


Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is about
human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. Why do 
others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual and 
interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
Signed,
Ann in Distress





Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their rejection of Optimism is this: It is their defense 
against feeling that THEY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. That something big has gone by 
and they do not have it. It is lost forever.

Within each Poster here there is a 'sense' that there is More to Be Had. Each 
express it differently. Share sees More Beauty ahead. Mac enjoys Every Moment, 
Barry knows there's a great film, just now being conceived, awaiting him...

There enters Optimism and the-lack-thereof (some criticism of the optimistic).

Maharishi was THE GREATEST DISPLAY OF OPTIMISM IN OUR TIME. I try to follow in 
his direction.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hold the kettle under the tap, but pray to the devas to bless the water with 
their magical qualities so after you drink the tea, you won't need to eat or 
drink for 70 years. Then you can be the next poster child for miracles and make 
a lot of money on the deal.




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


The world is as we are. 

So if we think water will come out of a tap upwards it will?

Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, is simply trying to limit 
their options, and put some mental boundaries in place.

Who has dismissed anything out of hand?

 Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this to 
bolster the boundary. 

Ah, so we all know it's a fraud now. Which magical happenings aren't frauds 
then? Is having a well defined sense of what is and isn't possible a bad thing? 
Maybe you don't care about knowledge at all. Go figure. 

Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, and makes them feel as 
if they are out of control. 

So who is it that knows very little, the ones who think that food is optional 
or the ones who know that water flows downhill?

Those on here spinning pages of words about the unscientific nature, and 
therefore falseness, of anything without a scientific explanation, are simply 
afraid, masking fear with anger, or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)

Ah yes, masking fear. That must be it. 

Actually, I can see what's happening and it's a familiarly depressing story. 
People with cherished beliefs about magic don't like having them explained as 
being hoaxes or delusions and  accuse the (generally) scientific types who have 
bothered to learn a few things and want to explain it of being narrow-minded or 
limited in some way. You see it all the time in creationist arguments too.

The funny thing is it's the "You can't prove fairies don't exist" crowd that 
lacks the imagination to grasp big concepts and the underlying awesomeness of 
creation. I used to know this TM girl and she would enthuse endlessly about 
Hagelin and his mad dribble, "But he's Harvard trained!" she'd protest. And a 
deluded cult zombie too, I'd point out. I'd then try and explain about what 
quantum theory actually says or lend her a book about the hard won 
understanding of nature we currently have but she'd just say she was more 
interested in spiritual physics. "But it's boring compared to John" she'd wail.

That's the problem right there, anyone who thinks reality is boring or that 
science has it all explained is an idiot who walks around with their eyes 
closed. People want there to be fairies at the bottom of the garden because it 
makes it "better". I don't get it, I'd rather know the truth even if it means 
there's no magic at all but I've found the universe and all the life on Earth 
to be amazing enough as it is. And the journey isn't finished, and the joy of 
science is we'll never really know if it is finished.

We are all different, you either love the wondrous universe that science has 
revealed or you prefer the invented authority of the mystics and religious 
Joe's who keep a thoroughly closed and uneducated mind about everything that 
means a belief their ego relies on might get shut down. 

What depresses me is the anti-science crowd miss out on so much, imagine if the 
catholic church had had their way and stopped anyone speculating about the size 
of the universe and what stars are? How poor would we be now! Every time you 
look into the night sky and understand what you are seeing is because someone 
got burned at the stake by a True Believer. That's when science started, when 
curiousity overcame blind devotion. 

I still have the hunger for knowledge I had when I was a kid, a week rarely 
goes by when I don't look at the moon through my telescope or read a new book 
about something I know nothing about. How scared and arrogant of me! 

That's my lunch break almost over, time for a coffee, shall I hold the kettle 
above the tap or below it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for the good example, Fleetwood. The thing is, every single scientist is 
a "first." Maybe the first to notice an apple falling off a tree and not taking 
it for granted. Or the first to wonder about a mold growing in a petrie dish. 
Or the first to wonder how those thingies stick to our clothes when we've been 
hiking in the fields. This is how velcro was invented.

All I'm saying is that every mod con science has given us, began with someone 
wondering about something that no longer seemed so explicable. Maybe we can all 
agree that progress in life requires both knowing for sure and not knowing for 
sure.





On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:39 AM, "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
Yep. Someone's gotta be first. Roger Bannister ran the first sub-four minute 
mile, in the early 1950's. Prior to that, for thousands of years, this was seen 
as impossible. But not any more. None of us here can run a sub four  minute 
mile, nor do we know anyone who can, but that doesn't make it fiction, or 
completely impossible in the history of humankind. This need to close doors 
prematurely is vexing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Ok, but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean he can't...



On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salyavin, the misstep in your logic is when you say "without any energy 
transformation" wrt the holy man's fast. How do you know there was no energy 
transformation?! 

Because if he
wasn't eating he wasn't getting any energy or anything to repair his cells. Try 
it and see.

Of course there had to be. Just we aren't able to measure it yet. 


Measure what? Is this guy unique in the history of the world in that he doesn't 
need to eat? I'm not wasting any more time on this, post the evidence that this 
guy can defeat nature and I'll give it a read. Youtube videos don't count.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi was a liar and a fraud - if he is your high water mark for optimism, 
then you are in bad shape. Now answer the question - how can the old man have 
not taken food or water, yet he has aged like everyone else? Where is his 
magical power?

 The Yogi Science allows an otherwise normal person (present company excluded) 
to refine a targeted aspect of his physiology.

Can you be for something? Anything?

Can you only thrive on hatred?

Your turn to answer some of my questions. I have answered dozens of yours; 
trying to be helpful.

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 

 Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is 
about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. 
Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual 
and interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
 Signed,
 Ann in Distress
 
 









 



Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their rejection of Optimism is this: It is their defense 
against feeling that THEY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. That something big has gone by 
and they do not have it. It is lost forever.

Within each Poster here there is a 'sense' that there is More to Be Had. Each 
express it differently. Share sees More Beauty ahead. Mac enjoys Every Moment, 
Barry knows there's a great film, just now being conceived, awaiting him...

There enters Optimism and the-lack-thereof (some criticism of the optimistic).

Maharishi was THE GREATEST DISPLAY OF OPTIMISM IN OUR TIME. I try to follow in 
his direction.












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Maharishi was a liar and a fraud - if he is your high water mark for optimism, 
then you are in bad shape. Now answer the question - how can the old man have 
not taken food or water, yet he has aged like everyone else? Where is his 
magical power?




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything 
In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.

Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 


Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it,
yet it can't keep him from aging? 

I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.


Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is about 
human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. Why do 
others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual and 
interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
Signed,
Ann in Distress





Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their rejection of Optimism is this: It is their defense 
against feeling that THEY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. That something big has gone by 
and they do not have it. It is lost forever.

Within each Poster here there is a 'sense' that there is More to Be Had. Each 
express it differently. Share sees More Beauty ahead. Mac enjoys Every Moment, 
Barry knows there's a great film, just now being conceived, awaiting him...

There enters Optimism and the-lack-thereof (some criticism of the optimistic).

Maharishi was THE GREATEST DISPLAY OF OPTIMISM IN OUR TIME. I try to follow in 
his direction.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dan, I love rocks too. And trees and critters, the sun and sky, etc. And since 
we're talking about eating, I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi once 
said that a happy man could digest a rock. Isn't that cool? 

 
I just hope some of these rock-eats have good dispositions.

 On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:43 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

   From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 
 
 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 
 
 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 
 
 And seemingly threatened as well.
 
 
 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 












 >
 On 9/24/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 Exactly. 






 >
 Now the guy posting with the large blue text wants to butt in and bottom-post. 
What a nerd!
 >
 Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to become a 
Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some people here 
say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester and 
threaten them to get them to stop. 
 
 






 >
 So, it looks like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation events. 
Maybe talking about levitation pushes his buttons. Salya doesn't want to talk 
about the levitation claims because of the peer pressure from Barry. So let's 
review - which of these informants spent the most time working to promote a 
cult?
 >
 It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and 
halfway balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with 
Steve-o is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes 
should be "off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical 
Islamists in this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. 






 >
 Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and 
is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the 
ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
 >
 One of the reasons I stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be 
around when he finally goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and 
Michael and me.  :-)







 >
 Now this is funny - a guy that refuses to read our messages about the 
levitation claims, thinks we are putting a "fatwa"  on Salya and Barry.
 >
 
 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
 - Christopher Moore, Facebook 

"I love rocks
Gotta problem with that?"
-Dan Friedman, Fairfieldlife
 
 

 








 
 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dan, I love rocks too. And trees and critters, the sun and sky, etc. And since 
we're talking about eating, I heard through the grapevine that Maharishi once 
said that a happy man could digest a rock. Isn't that cool? 



On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:43 AM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




 
>From: salyavin808 
>
>
>--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>As usual, you miss the point
Sal.
>
>
>I
believe the expression for what
you do,is, "leading from behind"
>
>
>Just
a bittoo timid to go beyond the
orthodoxy of present day science.
>
>
>And
seemingly threatened as well.
>
>
>Gosh,
you really are an asshole, no
wonder people don't read your
posts. 
>>
On 9/24/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>

Exactly. >
Now the guy posting with the large blue text wants to butt in
and bottom-post. What a nerd!
>
 
Something
seems to have happened to Steve, in that
he has chosen to become a Willytex/Judy
clone, constantly button-pushed by the
things some people here say, and
constantly caught in a loop of trying to
insult and pester and threaten them to get
them to stop. 

>
So, it looks like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama
levitation events. Maybe talking about levitation pushes his
buttons. Salya doesn't want to talk about the levitation
claims because of the peer pressure from Barry. So let's review
- which of these informants spent the most time working to
promote a cult?
>
 
It's
always sad when someone you once
considered fairly intelligent and halfway
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you
were wrong. The problem with Steve-o is
that he seems to really *believe* that
anything a person believes should be "off
limits" to criticism and derision. He's
more like the radical Islamists in this
regard than someone actually on a
spiritual path. >
Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a
debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort,
most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
>
 
One of
the reasons I stopped reading his posts is
that I don't want to be around when he
finally goes over the edge and declares a
fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

>
Now this is funny - a guy that refuses to read our messages about
the levitation claims, thinks we are putting a "fatwa"  on Salya
and Barry.
>



"We
are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one
way to react, because thou hast written our
trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 

"I love rocks
Gotta problem with that?"
-Dan Friedman, Fairfieldlife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You forgot his biggest fans: "The Lurking Reporters", who apparently have 
forgotten to turn anything of his into newsworthy material. ;-) Oops. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   

 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do
 

 Now wait a minute, bawee still has three whole people who give him the time of 
day: Sal, MJ and Susan (when she bothers to show up). 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world is as we are. 
 

 So if we think water will come out of a tap upwards it will?
 If you turn the faucet upside down it will.

 Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, is simply trying to limit 
their options, and put some mental boundaries in place.
 

 Who has dismissed anything out of hand?
 Sooos keep an open mind. (And shut the faucet)

  Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this to 
bolster the boundary. 
 

 Ah, so we all know it's a fraud now. Which magical happenings aren't frauds 
then? Is having a well defined sense of what is and isn't possible a bad thing? 
Maybe you don't care about knowledge at all. Go figure. 
 Wishing it so, doesn't make it so. Time for a "a well defined sense of what is 
and isn't possible" Check-up.

 Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, and makes them feel as 
if they are out of control. 
 

 So who is it that knows very little, the ones who think that food is optional 
or the ones who know that water flows downhill? I explained earlier about the 
upside down faucet. Keep an open mind.

 

 Those on here spinning pages of words about the unscientific nature, and 
therefore falseness, of anything without a scientific explanation, are simply 
afraid, masking fear with anger, or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)
 

 Ah yes, masking fear. That must be it. 
 Correcto mente (and trepidation about unknowns)

 Actually, I can see what's happening and it's a familiarly depressing story. 
People with cherished beliefs about magic don't like having them explained as 
being hoaxes or delusions and  accuse the (generally) scientific types who have 
bothered to learn a few things and want to explain it of being narrow-minded or 
limited in some way. You see it all the time in creationist arguments too.
 

 The funny thing is it's the "You can't prove fairies don't exist" crowd that 
lacks the imagination to grasp big concepts and the underlying awesomeness of 
creation. I used to know this TM girl and she would enthuse endlessly about 
Hagelin and his mad dribble, "But he's Harvard trained!" she'd protest. And a 
deluded cult zombie too, I'd point out. I'd then try and explain about what 
quantum theory actually says or lend her a book about the hard won 
understanding of nature we currently have but she'd just say she was more 
interested in spiritual physics. "But it's boring compared to John" she'd wail.
 

 That's the problem right there, anyone who thinks reality is boring or that 
science has it all explained is an idiot who walks around with their eyes 
closed. People want there to be fairies at the bottom of the garden because it 
makes it "better". I don't get it, I'd rather know the truth even if it means 
there's no magic at all but I've found the universe and all the life on Earth 
to be amazing enough as it is. And the journey isn't finished, and the joy of 
science is we'll never really know if it is finished.
 

 We are all different, you either love the wondrous universe that science has 
revealed or you prefer the invented authority of the mystics and religious 
Joe's who keep a thoroughly closed and uneducated mind about everything that 
means a belief their ego relies on might get shut down. 
 

 What depresses me is the anti-science crowd miss out on so much, imagine if 
the catholic church had had their way and stopped anyone speculating about the 
size of the universe and what stars are? How poor would we be now! Every time 
you look into the night sky and understand what you are seeing is because 
someone got burned at the stake by a True Believer. That's when science 
started, when curiousity overcame blind devotion. 
 

 I still have the hunger for knowledge I had when I was a kid, a week rarely 
goes by when I don't look at the moon through my telescope or read a new book 
about something I know nothing about. How scared and arrogant of me! 
 

 That's my lunch break almost over, time for a coffee, shall I hold the kettle 
above the tap or below it?
 

 Which way is the tap facing?

 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

   From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 
 
 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 
 
 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 
 
 And seemingly threatened as well.
 
 
 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 












 >
 On 9/24/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 Exactly. 






 >
 Now the guy posting with the large blue text wants to butt in and bottom-post. 
What a nerd!
 >
 Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to become a 
Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some people here 
say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester and 
threaten them to get them to stop. 
 
 






 >
 So, it looks like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation events. 
Maybe talking about levitation pushes his buttons. Salya doesn't want to talk 
about the levitation claims because of the peer pressure from Barry. So let's 
review - which of these informants spent the most time working to promote a 
cult?
 >
 It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and 
halfway balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with 
Steve-o is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes 
should be "off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical 
Islamists in this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. 






 >
 Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and 
is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the 
ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
 >
 One of the reasons I stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be 
around when he finally goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and 
Michael and me.  :-)







 >
 Now this is funny - a guy that refuses to read our messages about the 
levitation claims, thinks we are putting a "fatwa"  on Salya and Barry.
 >
 
 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
 - Christopher Moore, Facebook 

"I love rocks
Gotta problem with that?"
-Dan Friedman, Fairfieldlife
 
 

 








 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As usual, you miss the point Sal.

I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"

Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.

And seemingly threatened as well.

Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts.

>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has 
chosen to become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by 
the things some people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of 
trying to insult and pester and threaten them to get them to stop.


It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent 
and halfway balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The 
problem with Steve-o is that he seems to really *believe* that 
anything a person believes should be "off limits" to criticism and 
derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in this regard than 
someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I stopped 
reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

>
On 9/24/2014 8:18 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
/bawee once more gives us a gleaming, no shining, example of his lack 
of reading and extrapolating abilities. In addition, if bawee is 
really as clueless as this hack of a post suggests he might also be a 
trouble maker who willingly twists what others say to suit his 
perverted agenda to create dissension and besmirch other's motives and 
character. bawee, the ultimate muckraking dickwad. There, I've said it.

/

/>
Maybe Barry is getting JELLOS and a little afraid - he doesn't seem to 
have all the answers.

>
/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   

 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do
 

 Now wait a minute, bawee still has three whole people who give him the time of 
day: Sal, MJ and Susan (when she bothers to show up). 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   

 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do
 
I like Barry's film and television reviews. His book reviews, not-so-much,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 
 

 It sure seems that way to me. Funny way to carry on but there you are, easier 
to paint me as the idiot than try and understand what I'm saying I suppose. But 
he often does come round in the end so I'll keep up the narrow-minded orthodoxy 
;-)
 

 
It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)
 

 I can't wait for that! I'll definitely keep responding. Maybe we'll get a 
yagya from the dark side.
 

 
No Yagyas for you.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 

 Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is 
about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. 
Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual 
and interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
 Signed,
 Ann in Distress
 
 









 


 
Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their rejection of Optimism is this: It is their defense 
against feeling that THEY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. That something big has gone by 
and they do not have it. It is lost forever.

Within each Poster here there is a 'sense' that there is More to Be Had. Each 
express it differently. Share sees More Beauty ahead. Mac enjoys Every Moment, 
Barry knows there's a great film, just now being conceived, awaiting him...

There enters Optimism and the-lack-thereof (some criticism of the optimistic).

Maharishi was THE GREATEST DISPLAY OF OPTIMISM IN OUR TIME. I try to follow in 
his direction.

 

 Dear Dan,
 Thank you for this considered reply. I do feel better. I must be an optimist 
because right at this very moment I am hoping that unexplained wonders will 
assail me today as I go about my business. Wouldn't it be wonderful to be faced 
with at least one thing today that we couldn't explain?
 With gratitude,
 Ann from Vancouver Island

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Sal proclaims:
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

I daresay before anyone knew the mechanics of photosynthesis the concept of 
creating energy and sustaining life through the energy of the light emitted 
from the sun seemed "magical" and coming "from nowhere".
 
  Yes but humans, and all other animals, are observed to die if they 
don't eat and drink. It isn't a mystery. The claimed mystery here is that some 
guy doesn't need to do either and somehow he survives because he prays a lot. 
Can plants do that? If they could your theory would be on slightly stronger 
ground, as it is I'll wager people knew what plants required in terms of water 
and shade long before they understood photosynthesis, even if they did blame 
droughts etc on the gods, we've been farming for 10,000 years after all. So 
they knew what killed them just as they knew to avoid depriving themselves of 
what is quite obviously needed. 
 Unless you are suggesting that this guy, alone amongst humans, can 
photosynthesise or something?


 




Sal,

Once photosynthesis was understood, better farming and plant cultivation were 
made possible. Less starvation.

In a similar fashion, this Yogi has been a part of a very long scientific study 
of human physiology. He has improved his physiology as a result. His is more 
efficient.

Do improvements only work on plants?










 


 









 

 



 















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[c...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

try this for 30 minutes for a month..How To Manage Hunger & 
Thirst: Meditation For Weight Control 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8ECbjJfXk 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8ECbjJfXk 
 
 How To Manage Hunger & Thirst: Meditation For Weig... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8ECbjJfXk http://PillaiCenter.com more videos 
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http://youtube.com/DattatreyaSivaBaba...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8ECbjJfXk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)
 

 bawee once more gives us a gleaming, no shining, example of his lack of 
reading and extrapolating abilities. In addition, if bawee is really as 
clueless as this hack of a post suggests he might also be a trouble maker who 
willingly twists what others say to suit his perverted agenda to create 
dissension and besmirch other's motives and character. bawee, the ultimate 
muckraking dickwad. There, I've said it.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Sal proclaims:
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

I daresay before anyone knew the mechanics of photosynthesis the concept of 
creating energy and sustaining life through the energy of the light emitted 
from the sun seemed "magical" and coming "from nowhere".
 
  Yes but humans, and all other animals, are observed to die if they 
don't eat and drink. It isn't a mystery. The claimed mystery here is that some 
guy doesn't need to do either and somehow he survives because he prays a lot. 
Can plants do that? If they could your theory would be on slightly stronger 
ground, as it is I'll wager people knew what plants required in terms of water 
and shade long before they understood photosynthesis, even if they did blame 
droughts etc on the gods, we've been farming for 10,000 years after all. So 
they knew what killed them just as they knew to avoid depriving themselves of 
what is quite obviously needed. 
 Unless you are suggesting that this guy, alone amongst humans, can 
photosynthesise or something? 
 Not at all, in fact I don't, for one moment, think this man has not eaten for 
70 years - preposterous! And I don't need to think I am a scientist to believe 
this. But my point is merely that, generally, there is much more in this world 
for all of us to discover (how great is that?) and that there are still many 
mysteries and eyebrow-raising things to uncover - one way or another. For some, 
they are content to read a thing and believe, for others they need to observe 
something again and again and think about it in their own subjective way to be 
satisfied something is true and for others who make a living at it they spend 
months and often years subjecting something to rigorous (scientific) testing. 
All I was commenting on here was your statement about some "magical" energy 
source and to me photosynthesis qualifies. It seemed a relevant comment on my 
part at the time YMMV.


 















 


 









 

 



 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Sal proclaims:
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

I daresay before anyone knew the mechanics of photosynthesis the concept of 
creating energy and sustaining life through the energy of the light emitted 
from the sun seemed "magical" and coming "from nowhere".
 



 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1AesMfIf8 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1AesMfIf8

 



 















 


 









 

 



 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He seems to have elevated Michael's status to being the standard bearer of 
objectivity. 

 Talk about woo woo!
 
It's the ANTI - __ Cult. I wrote a longer (for me, here on ffl) essay on 
how cults are formed in opposition.

THEY ARE OPPOSED
they believe that is their power.




suckers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 


 >
 On 9/23/2014 8:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 >
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.


 >
 You failed to "suss" Barry's Rama levitation claims, so I guess you haven't 
figured out how Lenz was able to levitate and perform hundreds of other 
para-normal demonstrations. The surprise to me was that you didn't even post a 
comment about the law of gravity to remind Barry that human suspension without 
any visible means of support is impossible. Go figure. Sal doesn't appear to 
want to address the subject of bawee's claims of having witnessed hundreds of 
things that defy the laws of nature (as science currently understands them). 
Sal appears to have very selective objections to subjects. His "can not 
possibly happen" list appears to be: UFO's and crop circles Being able to go 
without food for 70 years TM Siddhis making capable the act of flying  TM being 
able to bring about world peace 
 His "possible" list appears to be: Rama's ability to levitate and hover while 
sitting on a couch and while walking in the desert. The possibility that bawee 
is a decent guy worth listening to 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[nablusoss1008]

The trouble for the conservasives is that the world as we know it is changing 
more rapidly than they preffer. Most are more comfortable imagining that the 
world as we know will be the same world tomorrow. It won't. Heaven will be 
lived on earth and it will be rather different from our world of today. 
 UFO's, Crosses of Light, Crop Circles, you name, is manifesting more and more 
all over the world and it's not because modern photo-technology makes us see it 
more quickly.
 "Heaven will walk on Earth in this generation"
 - Maharishi.
 That little sentence seems to create showers of cold fear down the spine of 
many posters here, particularily the non-TM'ers desperately holding on to a 
world-view rapidly crumbling.
 

 "What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily 
basis."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

*From:* salyavin808 

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As usual, you miss the point Sal.

I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"

Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.

And seemingly threatened as well.

Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts.

>
On 9/24/2014 1:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

>

Exactly.

>
/Now the guy posting with the large blue text wants to butt in and 
bottom-post. What a nerd!/

>
Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things 
some people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to 
insult and pester and threaten them to get them to stop.



>
/So, it looks like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation 
events. Maybe talking about levitation pushes his buttons//. Salya 
doesn't want to talk about the levitation claims because of the peer 
pressure from Barry. So let's review - which of these informants spent 
the most time working to promote a cult?

/>
It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent 
and halfway balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The 
problem with Steve-o is that he seems to really *believe* that 
anything a person believes should be "off limits" to criticism and 
derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in this regard than 
someone actually on a spiritual path.

>
Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a 
debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most 
difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.

>
One of the reasons I stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to 
be around when he finally goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on 
you and Michael and me.  :-)

>
/Now this is funny - a guy that refuses to read our messages about the 
levitation claims, thinks we are putting a "fatwa"  on Salya and Barry./

>


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thou hast written our trigger word."

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hey, if you say so.  Can't prove otherwise. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, wr to the latest debate about the man not eating for 70 years.  If it 
is a fraud, as it appears it is, by the lack of transparency of those who put 
it out there, then great.  Salyavin was right. No problem. 

 It is more the attitude you describe below.
 

 Sal's posting "that that the truth will set you free, but first will piss you 
off", applies as much to him as he thinks it does  to everyone else, or at 
least me.
 

 Um, obviously. But I'm already free can't you see? 
 

 

  



 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world is as we are. Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, 
is simply trying to limit their options, and put some mental boundaries in 
place. Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this 
to bolster the boundary. Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, 
and makes them feel as if they are out of control. Those on here spinning pages 
of words about the unscientific nature, and therefore falseness, of anything 
without a scientific explanation, are simply afraid, masking fear with anger, 
or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Jim, I liked that. 

 I mean you seem to get this pounding of the shoe on the podium, "This is what 
science says is possible, and that's that!"  Jeez, lighten up dude.
 

 My wife worked at IBM for 13 years.  They have highly paid people whose job it 
is to just think about things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting.  I see the world more like 
walking through an art gallery. How many perspectives, are there expressed, in 
an art gallery? And yet, science would describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a 
building, housing a collection of objects, representing other objects. Cold, 
rational and absolutely true. But, missing everything.  I enjoy science, 
especially engineering; civil, architectural, and electronic, but to say that 
something cannot exist, until science says it can, is such a small thought, and 
far, far from reality, as it is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, wr to the latest debate about the man not eating for 70 years.  If it 
is a fraud, as it appears it is, by the lack of transparency of those who put 
it out there, then great.  Salyavin was right. No problem. 

 It is more the attitude you describe below.
 

 Sal's posting "that that the truth will set you free, but first will piss you 
off", applies as much to him as he thinks it does  to everyone else, or at 
least me.
 

 Um, obviously. But I'm already free can't you see? 
 

 

  



 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world is as we are. Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, 
is simply trying to limit their options, and put some mental boundaries in 
place. Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this 
to bolster the boundary. Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, 
and makes them feel as if they are out of control. Those on here spinning pages 
of words about the unscientific nature, and therefore falseness, of anything 
without a scientific explanation, are simply afraid, masking fear with anger, 
or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Jim, I liked that. 

 I mean you seem to get this pounding of the shoe on the podium, "This is what 
science says is possible, and that's that!"  Jeez, lighten up dude.
 

 My wife worked at IBM for 13 years.  They have highly paid people whose job it 
is to just think about things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting.  I see the world more like 
walking through an art gallery. How many perspectives, are there expressed, in 
an art gallery? And yet, science would describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a 
building, housing a collection of objects, representing other objects. Cold, 
rational and absolutely true. But, missing everything.  I enjoy science, 
especially engineering; civil, architectural, and electronic, but to say that 
something cannot exist, until science says it can, is such a small thought, and 
far, far from reality, as it is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these da

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, I love what you've written here and through all these exchanges your 
love for this world comes through, as it has many times before. For this reason 
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread and am grateful that you hang in here 
with us lot (-:

OTOH, wrt your third to last parapgraph, I don't think there's one iota of 
devotion, blind or otherwise, involved in burning anyone at the stake!



On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:58 AM, salyavin808 
 wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


The world is as we are. 

So if we think water will come out of a tap upwards it will?

Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, is simply trying to limit 
their options, and put some mental boundaries in place.

Who has dismissed anything out of hand?

 Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this to 
bolster the boundary. 

Ah, so we all know it's a fraud now. Which magical happenings aren't frauds 
then? Is having a well defined sense of what is and isn't possible a bad thing? 
Maybe you don't care about knowledge at all. Go figure. 

Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, and makes them feel as 
if they are out of control. 

So who is it that knows very little, the ones who think that food is optional 
or the ones who know that water flows downhill?

Those on here spinning pages of words about the unscientific nature, and 
therefore falseness, of anything without a scientific explanation, are simply 
afraid, masking fear with anger, or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)

Ah yes, masking fear. That must be it. 

Actually, I can see what's happening and it's a familiarly depressing story. 
People with cherished beliefs about magic don't like having them explained as 
being hoaxes or delusions and  accuse the (generally) scientific types who have 
bothered to learn a few things and want to explain it of being narrow-minded or 
limited in some way. You see it all the time in creationist arguments too.

The funny thing is it's the "You can't prove fairies don't exist" crowd that 
lacks the imagination to grasp big concepts and the underlying awesomeness of 
creation. I used to know this TM girl and she would enthuse endlessly about 
Hagelin and his mad dribble, "But he's Harvard trained!" she'd protest. And a 
deluded cult zombie too, I'd point out. I'd then try and explain about what 
quantum theory actually says or lend her a book about the hard won 
understanding of nature we currently have but she'd just say she was more 
interested in spiritual physics. "But it's boring compared to John" she'd wail.

That's the problem right there, anyone who thinks reality is boring or that 
science has it all explained is an idiot who walks around with their eyes 
closed. People want there to be fairies at the bottom of the garden because it 
makes it "better". I don't get it, I'd rather know the truth even if it means 
there's no magic at all but I've found the universe and all the life on Earth 
to be amazing enough as it is. And the journey isn't finished, and the joy of 
science is we'll never really know if it is finished.

We are all different, you either love the wondrous universe that science has 
revealed or you prefer the invented authority of the mystics and religious 
Joe's who keep a thoroughly closed and uneducated mind about everything that 
means a belief their ego relies on might get shut down. 

What depresses me is the anti-science crowd miss out on so much, imagine if the 
catholic church had had their way and stopped anyone speculating about the size 
of the universe and what stars are? How poor would we be now! Every time you 
look into the night sky and understand what you are seeing is because someone 
got burned at the stake by a True Believer. That's when science started, when 
curiousity overcame blind devotion. 

I still have the hunger for knowledge I had when I was a kid, a week rarely 
goes by when I don't look at the moon through my telescope or read a new book 
about something I know nothing about. How scared and arrogant of me! 

That's my lunch break almost over, time for a coffee, shall I hold the kettle 
above the tap or below it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Look, stop your name calling.  If I've misquoted you, just set the record 
straight and move on. You stated that, if an incident like this were genuine, 
it would result in widespread interest.  If I'm wrong, point it out.   

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "The fact that the general populace has not embraced this, is one of the 
proofs that it is deception", says the scientifically minded salyavin
 

 OK, that's the fourth time you've misquoted me, are you some sort of troll 
asshole looking for a fight or do you just genuinely not understand?
 

 can you say, "leading from behind?"
 

 I think you can.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But salyavin, we've already had some surprises! At least with regards to 
gravity. For example, I'm surprised every time I fly in an gigantic airplane 
and it doesn't hurtle from the sky! Of course I know there are laws of 
aerodynamics at work. But still, I marvel that the Wright brothers and some 
other humans, questioned gravity enough to further our knowledge and experience.
 

 As for the story of the non eating holy man, I have one question: why on earth 
would anyone make up this story? What could they possibly get from doing so?
 

 Can you not simply accept that maybe we don't know everything there is to know 
about humanness? 

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:32 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 
Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 

 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 

 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  
 

 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: Chill Out, Everyone. He 
Obviously Has Not. 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html

 
 
 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 
 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: ... 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Okay, here's a weird one. You may remember the story of Pr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world is as we are. 
 

 So if we think water will come out of a tap upwards it will?
 

 Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, is simply trying to limit 
their options, and put some mental boundaries in place.
 

 Who has dismissed anything out of hand?
 

  Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this to 
bolster the boundary. 
 

 Ah, so we all know it's a fraud now. Which magical happenings aren't frauds 
then? Is having a well defined sense of what is and isn't possible a bad thing? 
Maybe you don't care about knowledge at all. Go figure. 
 

 Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, and makes them feel as 
if they are out of control. 
 

 So who is it that knows very little, the ones who think that food is optional 
or the ones who know that water flows downhill?
 

 Those on here spinning pages of words about the unscientific nature, and 
therefore falseness, of anything without a scientific explanation, are simply 
afraid, masking fear with anger, or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)
 

 Ah yes, masking fear. That must be it. 
 

 Actually, I can see what's happening and it's a familiarly depressing story. 
People with cherished beliefs about magic don't like having them explained as 
being hoaxes or delusions and  accuse the (generally) scientific types who have 
bothered to learn a few things and want to explain it of being narrow-minded or 
limited in some way. You see it all the time in creationist arguments too.
 

 The funny thing is it's the "You can't prove fairies don't exist" crowd that 
lacks the imagination to grasp big concepts and the underlying awesomeness of 
creation. I used to know this TM girl and she would enthuse endlessly about 
Hagelin and his mad dribble, "But he's Harvard trained!" she'd protest. And a 
deluded cult zombie too, I'd point out. I'd then try and explain about what 
quantum theory actually says or lend her a book about the hard won 
understanding of nature we currently have but she'd just say she was more 
interested in spiritual physics. "But it's boring compared to John" she'd wail.
 

 That's the problem right there, anyone who thinks reality is boring or that 
science has it all explained is an idiot who walks around with their eyes 
closed. People want there to be fairies at the bottom of the garden because it 
makes it "better". I don't get it, I'd rather know the truth even if it means 
there's no magic at all but I've found the universe and all the life on Earth 
to be amazing enough as it is. And the journey isn't finished, and the joy of 
science is we'll never really know if it is finished.
 

 We are all different, you either love the wondrous universe that science has 
revealed or you prefer the invented authority of the mystics and religious 
Joe's who keep a thoroughly closed and uneducated mind about everything that 
means a belief their ego relies on might get shut down. 
 

 What depresses me is the anti-science crowd miss out on so much, imagine if 
the catholic church had had their way and stopped anyone speculating about the 
size of the universe and what stars are? How poor would we be now! Every time 
you look into the night sky and understand what you are seeing is because 
someone got burned at the stake by a True Believer. That's when science 
started, when curiousity overcame blind devotion. 
 

 I still have the hunger for knowledge I had when I was a kid, a week rarely 
goes by when I don't look at the moon through my telescope or read a new book 
about something I know nothing about. How scared and arrogant of me! 
 

 That's my lunch break almost over, time for a coffee, shall I hold the kettle 
above the tap or below it?
 

 

 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, wr to the latest debate about the man not eating for 70 years.  If it is 
a fraud, as it appears it is, by the lack of transparency of those who put it 
out there, then great.  Salyavin was right. No problem. 

 It is more the attitude you describe below.
 

 Sal's posting "that that the truth will set you free, but first will piss you 
off", applies as much to him as he thinks it does  to everyone else, or at 
least me.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The world is as we are. Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, 
is simply trying to limit their options, and put some mental boundaries in 
place. Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this 
to bolster the boundary. Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, 
and makes them feel as if they are out of control. Those on here spinning pages 
of words about the unscientific nature, and therefore falseness, of anything 
without a scientific explanation, are simply afraid, masking fear with anger, 
or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Jim, I liked that. 

 I mean you seem to get this pounding of the shoe on the podium, "This is what 
science says is possible, and that's that!"  Jeez, lighten up dude.
 

 My wife worked at IBM for 13 years.  They have highly paid people whose job it 
is to just think about things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting.  I see the world more like 
walking through an art gallery. How many perspectives, are there expressed, in 
an art gallery? And yet, science would describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a 
building, housing a collection of objects, representing other objects. Cold, 
rational and absolutely true. But, missing everything.  I enjoy science, 
especially engineering; civil, architectural, and electronic, but to say that 
something cannot exist, until science says it can, is such a small thought, and 
far, far from reality, as it is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everythi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good luck to you Barry.  By the way, I still like you.  I'm just sorry you've 
fallen into the black hole of cynicism and insult, along with an occasional 
informational or humorous post.   

 If you could only see yourself like most others 
do
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)

 "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, your name calling is just gaining steam.  Sorry it something strikes too 
close to home. 

 Just what we need: another shoot the messenger personality.  You guys revel in 
this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bit too timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting. 
 

 A bias towards that which might be possible? Kind of the idea behind the name! 
Stick to fantasy novels dude, anyone can do anything there, and it's why I 
always hated them, even as a kid. What's the point of having suspense in a book 
or movie if the protagonist can just rewrite the laws of nature with a spell. 
The world isn't like that so why the need to pretend that it is? Much better to 
grow the ability to deal with reality rather than rush into a fantasy world to 
deal with problems. 
 

 And without science there wouldn't be a sci-fi to enjoy. Or an internet, or 
astronomy or anything else we've added to our understanding in the last few 
hundred years. I'm happy to be its defender on FFL. As the late great Richard 
Feynman said: "Science is how we've learned not to fool ourselves" .
 
 I see the world more like walking through an art gallery. How many 
perspectives, are there expressed, in an art gallery? And yet, science would 
describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a building, housing a collection of 
objects, representing other objects. Cold, rational and absolutely true. But, 
missing everything.  I enjoy science, especially engineering; civil, 
architectural, and electronic, but to say that something cannot exist, until 
science says it can, is such a small thought, and far, far from reality, as it 
is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep. Someone's gotta be first. Roger Bannister ran the first sub-four minute 
mile, in the early 1950's. Prior to that, for thousands of years, this was seen 
as impossible. But not any more. None of us here can run a sub four  minute 
mile, nor do we know anyone who can, but that doesn't make it fiction, or 
completely impossible in the history of humankind. This need to close doors 
prematurely is vexing. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ok, but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean he can't...

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 AM, salyavin808 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, the misstep in your logic is when you say "without any energy 
transformation" wrt the holy man's fast. How do you know there was no energy 
transformation?! 
 

 Because if he wasn't eating he wasn't getting any energy or anything to repair 
his cells. Try it and see.
 

 Of course there had to be. Just we aren't able to measure it yet. 

 

 Measure what? Is this guy unique in the history of the world in that he 
doesn't need to eat? I'm not wasting any more time on this, post the evidence 
that this guy can defeat nature and I'll give it a read. Youtube videos don't 
count.
 






 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 

 Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is 
about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. 
Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual 
and interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
 Signed,
 Ann in Distress
 
 









 


 
Dearest Ann,

Repair from your distress because the explanation is a simple one and easily 
understood. When you have it, you will feel lighter, I promise.

The motivation behind their rejection of Optimism is this: It is their defense 
against feeling that THEY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. That something big has gone by 
and they do not have it. It is lost forever.

Within each Poster here there is a 'sense' that there is More to Be Had. Each 
express it differently. Share sees More Beauty ahead. Mac enjoys Every Moment, 
Barry knows there's a great film, just now being conceived, awaiting him...

There enters Optimism and the-lack-thereof (some criticism of the optimistic).

Maharishi was THE GREATEST DISPLAY OF OPTIMISM IN OUR TIME. I try to follow in 
his direction.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The world is as we are. Anyone dismissing unexplained phenomena out of hand, is 
simply trying to limit their options, and put some mental boundaries in place. 
Oftentimes this is achieved by picking an obvious fraud, and using this to 
bolster the boundary. Feeling as if we know very little, scares some people, 
and makes them feel as if they are out of control. Those on here spinning pages 
of words about the unscientific nature, and therefore falseness, of anything 
without a scientific explanation, are simply afraid, masking fear with anger, 
or arrogance. It happens a lot. :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks Jim, I liked that. 

 I mean you seem to get this pounding of the shoe on the podium, "This is what 
science says is possible, and that's that!"  Jeez, lighten up dude.
 

 My wife worked at IBM for 13 years.  They have highly paid people whose job it 
is to just think about things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting.  I see the world more like 
walking through an art gallery. How many perspectives, are there expressed, in 
an art gallery? And yet, science would describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a 
building, housing a collection of objects, representing other objects. Cold, 
rational and absolutely true. But, missing everything.  I enjoy science, 
especially engineering; civil, architectural, and electronic, but to say that 
something cannot exist, until science says it can, is such a small thought, and 
far, far from reality, as it is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  
 

 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: Chill Out, Everyone. He 
Obviously Has Not. 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-go

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 










Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 
 

 It sure seems that way to me. Funny way to carry on but there you are, easier 
to paint me as the idiot than try and understand what I'm saying I suppose. But 
he often does come round in the end so I'll keep up the narrow-minded orthodoxy 
;-)
 

 
It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)
 

 I can't wait for that! I'll definitely keep responding. Maybe we'll get a 
yagya from the dark side.
 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 


--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


As usual, you miss the point Sal.

I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"

Just a bittoo timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.

And seemingly threatened as well.

Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 


Exactly. Something seems to have happened to Steve, in that he has chosen to 
become a Willytex/Judy clone, constantly button-pushed by the things some 
people here say, and constantly caught in a loop of trying to insult and pester 
and threaten them to get them to stop. 

It's always sad when someone you once considered fairly intelligent and halfway 
balanced demonstrates to you how badly you were wrong. The problem with Steve-o 
is that he seems to really *believe* that anything a person believes should be 
"off limits" to criticism and derision. He's more like the radical Islamists in 
this regard than someone actually on a spiritual path. One of the reasons I 
stopped reading his posts is that I don't want to be around when he finally 
goes over the edge and declares a fatwa on you and Michael and me.  :-)


"We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know only one way to react, because thou 
hast written our trigger word."
- Christopher Moore, Facebook 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bit too timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

 Gosh, you really are an asshole, no wonder people don't read your posts. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting. 
 

 A bias towards that which might be possible? Kind of the idea behind the name! 
Stick to fantasy novels dude, anyone can do anything there, and it's why I 
always hated them, even as a kid. What's the point of having suspense in a book 
or movie if the protagonist can just rewrite the laws of nature with a spell. 
The world isn't like that so why the need to pretend that it is? Much better to 
grow the ability to deal with reality rather than rush into a fantasy world to 
deal with problems. 
 

 And without science there wouldn't be a sci-fi to enjoy. Or an internet, or 
astronomy or anything else we've added to our understanding in the last few 
hundred years. I'm happy to be its defender on FFL. As the late great Richard 
Feynman said: "Science is how we've learned not to fool ourselves" .
 
 I see the world more like walking through an art gallery. How many 
perspectives, are there expressed, in an art gallery? And yet, science would 
describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a building, housing a collection of 
objects, representing other objects. Cold, rational and absolutely true. But, 
missing everything.  I enjoy science, especially engineering; civil, 
architectural, and electronic, but to say that something cannot exist, until 
science says it can, is such a small thought, and far, far from reality, as it 
is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
ci

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "The fact that the general populace has not embraced this, is one of the 
proofs that it is deception", says the scientifically minded salyavin
 

 OK, that's the fourth time you've misquoted me, are you some sort of troll 
asshole looking for a fight or do you just genuinely not understand?
 

 can you say, "leading from behind?"
 

 I think you can.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But salyavin, we've already had some surprises! At least with regards to 
gravity. For example, I'm surprised every time I fly in an gigantic airplane 
and it doesn't hurtle from the sky! Of course I know there are laws of 
aerodynamics at work. But still, I marvel that the Wright brothers and some 
other humans, questioned gravity enough to further our knowledge and experience.
 

 As for the story of the non eating holy man, I have one question: why on earth 
would anyone make up this story? What could they possibly get from doing so?
 

 Can you not simply accept that maybe we don't know everything there is to know 
about humanness? 

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:32 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 
Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 

 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 

 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  
 

 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: Chill Out, Everyone. He 
Obviously Has Not. 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html

 
 
 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 
 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: ... 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Okay, here's a weird one. You may remember the story of Prahlad Jani, an 
Indian yogi who claims that he hasn't ever eaten or had a drink in the last 70 
year...


 
 View on www.treehugger.com 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Sal proclaims:
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

I daresay before anyone knew the mechanics of photosynthesis the concept of 
creating energy and sustaining life through the energy of the light emitted 
from the sun seemed "magical" and coming "from nowhere".
 
  Yes but humans, and all other animals, are observed to die if they 
don't eat and drink. It isn't a mystery. The claimed mystery here is that some 
guy doesn't need to do either and somehow he survives because he prays a lot. 
Can plants do that? If they could your theory would be on slightly stronger 
ground, as it is I'll wager people knew what plants required in terms of water 
and shade long before they understood photosynthesis, even if they did blame 
droughts etc on the gods, we've been farming for 10,000 years after all. So 
they knew what killed them just as they knew to avoid depriving themselves of 
what is quite obviously needed. 
 Unless you are suggesting that this guy, alone amongst humans, can 
photosynthesise or something?


 















 


 









 

 



 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is the continuous loop for Michael.  Sadly what appears to make up a good 
portion of his time each day. But, when you in a rut.. 

 How does it work.  A body in motion, tends to stay in motion..
 

 Oh my, did I just use a scientific analogy for a non scientific situation!
 

 Bad Stevie, bad!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Can you believe the level of desperation to believe? This is the kind of 
vacuous brain waste TM leads to.

 Missing Michael,

Why the need to personally attack the posters here?

Get some help for that Oppositional Behavior.

Stop provoking long enough to think.

Then respond.

 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   But salyavin, both air and sunlight were going into holy man's body. Maybe 
one or both sustained him. 

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is conce

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

look, if it doesn't hold up to thorough analysis, then it can't be considered 
as valid. 

 now, please ignore this comment, and go back to your endless loop of how yada, 
yada, yada are true believers, yada, yada, yada.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
if you believe the reports of the people who conducted the study, did not eat 
or drink anything for 15 days!
 

 This is the salient point IF YOU BELIEVE the people who conducted the study 
who would not allow the full video to be viewed nor allow the Indian 
Rationalist group to take a look - these refusals should give you a clear view 
that all is not as it seems and that the "science" behind it is bogus.


 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   Sal, who the hell are your trying to convince?  Yourself?
 

 I don't care if the guy didn't eat or drink for 70 years.  It makes me no 
nevermind.
 

 Nor am I trying to convince anyone of the whether this is some grand 
achievement.
 

 All I'm saying is that the dude, if you believe the reports of the people who 
conducted the study, did not eat or drink anything for 15 days!
 

 Okay, that, on the face of it, that defies science.
 

 And no one that I'm aware of has come forward to debunk the study.
 

 And no one seems to be trying to promote it or make money on it.  
 

 It is just an anomaly, and that is what interests me.
 

 You are the one so anxious to discredit it, but so far the grounds for that 
are:
 

 1) It's impossible according to medical science as we know it.  Yes, 
impossible.
 

 2) If it were true, then people would be flocking to find out more about it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Impossible! This is the third time I've caught you putting words in my mouth. 
If you have evidence that a regular intake of food and water is optional I want 
to hear it.

 

 I don't!  But evidently you have no explanation for the results of this 
anomaly other than, "I don't like the results, they are impossible from what we 
know about science, and the general public has not gone gaga over this"  That 
is called an appeal to authority, and is a weak position on which to dispute 
something.
 

 A weak position other than the fact there is no magical gland in the human 
body that, when starved, creates a magical nectar that provides all dietary 
requirements including water for many decades and without any energy input?
 

 It's not really an appeal to authority is it? If I drop a plate I expect it to 
hit the floor, I understand the "authority" that tells me it's the most likely 
expectation. Gravity is a well observed and understood and predictable law of 
nature. Saying I'm making an "appeal to authority" implies that you think I 
don't know what I'm talking about but am just hoping you'll take someone's word 
for it like you think I do.
 

 Metabolism is another thing I feel confident enough to say that you can't go 
without food or water for 70 years, there is no appeal to authority here 
either. As I say, it's either a hoax or this guy has a magical gland etc etc...
 

 

 

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Michael, add omniscience to your many remarkable attributes. 

 Talk about being a superman!
 

 You, my friend, are quite the candidate.  Self proclaimed or not.
 

 Your greatness will be discovered.  Greatness like yours cannot go unnoticed.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 

 

 For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 
 
 
 








 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I enjoyed LOTR. 

 The two parts that bothered me the most was the lame, playing the army of the 
dead card to win the battle. Very lame indeed.
 

 And Gandolf suddenly turning the flying insect into a bird and then a means of 
escape.
 

 Yes, playing those magic woo woo cards lessens the enjoyment.
 

 Other than that, I thought they were pretty tight.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You began responding, before I got to the part where I said I enjoy applied 
science - aka, a bridge of my imagination, would not support my car. The only 
fantasy I read, was lord of the rings, and the hobbit, when I was 14 or 15, and 
loved the recreated worlds. I read some of Arthur C. Clarke, and really like 
his sci-fi. Best sci-fi movie, ever, is, "Galaxy Quest". Have you seen it?
 

 Galaxy Quest was great fun. The Hobbit was enjoyable but LOTR left me cold, 
too many magic waistcoats for my taste. The first two films were good - apart 
from the magic waistcoat - but the last one was awful and underlines what I 
hate about the genre, there's no consistent logic and that's cheating, no point 
saying it's just a movie if it doesn't have a coherent plot it makes no real 
sense. Don't know why people like that stuff! Each to their own.
 

 I shall respond to a few other things in your post. 
 

 I see the world more like walking through an art gallery. How many 
perspectives, are there expressed, in an art gallery? And yet, science would 
describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a building, housing a collection of 
objects, representing other objects. Cold, rational and absolutely true. But, 
missing everything. 
 

 No, a scientist would enjoy the art just as much as you. They might try and 
get to the bottom of any metaphorical representation with a bit more rigour 
than you or me but that's about it. Appreciation of the two things are 
separate. Science is an attempt to explain reality or our experience of it. 
Maybe it seems dry if you don't like the black and whiteness of it but the 
power of it is undeniable, in fact I get a lot more pleasure from the sort of 
art I like (mesopotamian and ice age stuff in particular) Because science has 
provided us with a time scale and knowledge of environment and likely 
capabilities of the people concerned. Brings it so much more to life.
 

 I went to the Van Gogh show at the Royal academy recently and that was 
amazing, heartbreaking and transcendentally vivid. No science required. No need 
to switch on the analysis machine, that's all it is, a way of measuring things. 
There's a time and a place for everything.
 

 
 I enjoy science, especially engineering; civil, architectural, and electronic, 
but to say that something cannot exist, until science says it can, is such a 
small thought, and far, far from reality, as it is presented.
 

 That's as gross a misrepresentation of what I say on here as you can get. I'm 
sorry that people die if they don't eat but it has to be said, it isn't like we 
are talking about something minor. Sorry if you lot don't get that. 
 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Again, I am glad Barry doesn't read my comments, but it occurred to me, that 
Barry recently brought up the frog in the increasingly hot water as he is wont 
to do. 

 I wonder if Barry realizes that over time his engaging in dialog, and 
discussing things with an edge has just become simply a non stop pushing of 
buttons, (or the attempt thereof)
 

 Actually, I think he does, because just the other day, he felt the need to 
announce, "this is not a slam"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 
Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 

 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 

 









Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of the 
other impossible things I want to be possible. 

Otherwise known as "the appeal of miracles." :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He seems to have elevated Michael's status to being the standard bearer of 
objectivity. 

 Talk about woo woo!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 


 >
 On 9/23/2014 8:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 >
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.


 >
 You failed to "suss" Barry's Rama levitation claims, so I guess you haven't 
figured out how Lenz was able to levitate and perform hundreds of other 
para-normal demonstrations. The surprise to me was that you didn't even post a 
comment about the law of gravity to remind Barry that human suspension without 
any visible means of support is impossible. Go figure. Sal doesn't appear to 
want to address the subject of bawee's claims of having witnessed hundreds of 
things that defy the laws of nature (as science currently understands them). 
Sal appears to have very selective objections to subjects. His "can not 
possibly happen" list appears to be: UFO's and crop circles Being able to go 
without food for 70 years TM Siddhis making capable the act of flying  TM being 
able to bring about world peace 
 His "possible" list appears to be: Rama's ability to levitate and hover while 
sitting on a couch and while walking in the desert. The possibility that bawee 
is a decent guy worth listening to 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"The fact that the general populace has not embraced this, is one of the proofs 
that it is deception", says the scientifically minded salyavin 

 can you say, "leading from behind?"
 

 I think you can.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But salyavin, we've already had some surprises! At least with regards to 
gravity. For example, I'm surprised every time I fly in an gigantic airplane 
and it doesn't hurtle from the sky! Of course I know there are laws of 
aerodynamics at work. But still, I marvel that the Wright brothers and some 
other humans, questioned gravity enough to further our knowledge and experience.
 

 As for the story of the non eating holy man, I have one question: why on earth 
would anyone make up this story? What could they possibly get from doing so?
 

 Can you not simply accept that maybe we don't know everything there is to know 
about humanness? 

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:32 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 
Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 

 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 

 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  
 

 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: Chill Out, Everyone. He 
Obviously Has Not. 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html

 
 
 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 
 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: ... 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Okay, here's a weird one. You may remember the story of Prahlad Jani, an 
Indian yogi who claims that he hasn't ever eaten or had a drink in the last 70 
year...


 
 View on www.treehugger.com 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 A corrupt study is always a possibility, conversely we shouldn't accept 
potentially corrupt information just because the claimed result gives succour 
to our cherished beliefs, no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Sal proclaims:
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

I daresay before anyone knew the mechanics of photosynthesis the concept of 
creating energy and sustaining life through the energy of the light emitted 
from the sun seemed "magical" and coming "from nowhere".
 



 















 


 









 

 



 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

2nd comment.  "pretty sussed" says it call.  Probably what you said 10 years 
ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago. 

 But then when the new discovery comes on, why, "it's just what I was saying"
 

 yes, it's called, "leading from behind"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 
Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 

 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 
 .

 

 

 
 
 
 



 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  






 
  







 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As usual, you miss the point Sal. 

 I believe the expression for what you do,is, "leading from behind"
 

 Just a bit too timid to go beyond the orthodoxy of present day science.
 

 And seemingly threatened as well.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting. 
 

 A bias towards that which might be possible? Kind of the idea behind the name! 
Stick to fantasy novels dude, anyone can do anything there, and it's why I 
always hated them, even as a kid. What's the point of having suspense in a book 
or movie if the protagonist can just rewrite the laws of nature with a spell. 
The world isn't like that so why the need to pretend that it is? Much better to 
grow the ability to deal with reality rather than rush into a fantasy world to 
deal with problems. 
 

 And without science there wouldn't be a sci-fi to enjoy. Or an internet, or 
astronomy or anything else we've added to our understanding in the last few 
hundred years. I'm happy to be its defender on FFL. As the late great Richard 
Feynman said: "Science is how we've learned not to fool ourselves" .
 
 I see the world more like walking through an art gallery. How many 
perspectives, are there expressed, in an art gallery? And yet, science would 
describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a building, housing a collection of 
objects, representing other objects. Cold, rational and absolutely true. But, 
missing everything.  I enjoy science, especially engineering; civil, 
architectural, and electronic, but to say that something cannot exist, until 
science says it can, is such a small thought, and far, far from reality, as it 
is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh thank you Michael.  This is the diagnosis I've been waiting for.  I didn't 
know what was wrong with me,until now. 

 But, one small suggestion.  Keep whatever metrics you might use to evaluate my 
life entirely subjective. I wouldn't want real life to intrude on any of your 
fantasies.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve obviously suffers from too much time listening to Marshy and the TM Big 
Wigs - he got indoctrinated into "Believe it because we say it." and he just 
can't let go of such a precious mind set.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 

 Just cruising quickly through this conversation I am wondering what it is 
about human beings that seek to squelch the hopeful, the optimist in others. 
Why do others feel it necessary to kill the willingness to believe in unusual 
and interesting phenomena and to attempt to ridicule those who are willing to 
consider unsubstantiated events possible? Can you tell me that, Dan? Are these 
people kill joys or are they something else? Why do they seek to bring 
everything down to the level of the mundane and the likely? Tell me why, New 
York Dan.
 Signed,
 Ann in Distress
 
 









 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Jim, I liked that. 

 I mean you seem to get this pounding of the shoe on the podium, "This is what 
science says is possible, and that's that!"  Jeez, lighten up dude.
 

 My wife worked at IBM for 13 years.  They have highly paid people whose job it 
is to just think about things.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree, Steve. By limiting our known world, to that which science has vetted, 
inflicts a bias, of materialism, on our thinking, and our culture. One reason I 
don't care for a lot of science fiction, is that the assumption begins with 
science, and is imagined, from there.  So limiting.  I see the world more like 
walking through an art gallery. How many perspectives, are there expressed, in 
an art gallery? And yet, science would describe it in dry terms, perhaps as a 
building, housing a collection of objects, representing other objects. Cold, 
rational and absolutely true. But, missing everything.  I enjoy science, 
especially engineering; civil, architectural, and electronic, but to say that 
something cannot exist, until science says it can, is such a small thought, and 
far, far from reality, as it is presented. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, I think so Share. 

 What I find bothersome, is the arrogant attitude, that science is the final 
word on such things, knowing of course that science is updated on a daily basis.
 

 And then, when something heretofore considered impossible is explained, then 
the reply is, "Of course, it just needed a proper explanation, as I said"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  
 

 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: Chill Out, Everyone. He 
Obviously Has Not. 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html

 
 
 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 
 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: ... 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Okay, here's a weird one. You may remember the story of Prahlad Jani, an 
Indian yogi who claims that he hasn't ever eaten or had a drink in the last 70 
year...


 
 View on www.treehugger.com 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-foo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

Share Long wrote:

Dan, I was just guessing about the sunlight. Isn't this totally cool?

Dearest Share,

I knew it!
I'm off to beddy-by (as usual). Gotta be up early FOR THE SUN!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dan, I was just guessing about the sunlight. Isn't this totally cool?
Man lives for 11 years eating only sunlight

  
 
Man lives for 11 years eating only sunlight
Since 1995 Hira Ratan Manek has lived many days solely on sunlight and water. 
Sun gazing is the practice of staring directly at the sun to receive 
“nourish...  
View on english.pravda.ru Preview by Yahoo  
  
 


On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:47 PM, danfriedman2002 
 wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Can you believe the level of desperation to believe? This is the kind of 
vacuous brain waste TM leads to.

Missing Michael,

Why the need to personally attack the posters here?

Get some help for that Oppositional Behavior.

Stop provoking long enough to think.

Then respond.



 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 
Years!



 
But salyavin, both air and sunlight were going into holy man's body. Maybe one 
or both sustained him. 



On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that
requires energy to run, the claim here is that there is some magical form of 
energy from nowhere that removes the need for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm
living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM,
salyavin808  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>From: salyavin808 
>>
>>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>Steve,
I like what
you're saying
here which is
that we don't
yet know all
the laws
governing
gravity. And I
think this is
a very
scientific
attitude. I
bet we don't
know all the
laws about
anything yet!
Including how
human bodies
obtain energy
from their
surroundings.
Which kind of
makes the
future
fascinating to
consider (-:
>>
>>
>>Sorry
you wild wild
things, I
don't think
there will be
any surprises
from gravity
and
metabolism, I
think we've
got those
pretty sussed
- at least as
far

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Answer the question - how can he not eat for 70 years, yet he ages like anyone 
else? Seems his siddhi is not too spiffy, eh?




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.

Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 


Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it,
yet it can't keep him from aging? 

I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 


For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!


Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.
 

 Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 

 

 Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 
 

 I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.

 This is as incoherent as you comparing Nabby to a Nazi. Saying that I'm from 
Phoenix. And claiming you were kicked out of the bakery at MUM for no good 
reason. Mr Mike, YOU KNOW THEY HAD GOOD REASON. Fess up and clear your 
conscience so you can think more clearly.

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 

 

 For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!

 

 Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy, if you have been paying  attention on FFL all these years you'd know 
that I've been into nutrition for 40 years.  I probably know much more about 
than the average doctor and and also have flummoxed a few nutritionists. ;-) 
 
 Question for ya?  Why are we told to eat "fruits and vegetables?"  What is so 
special about them?
 
 I don't just read about science, I practice it in many forms.
 
Dear Bhairitu,

Let me begin by declaring my intention to watch many more of the films that you 
recommend. You seem cultured (not like some confused & disoriented folks).

It is my understanding that we are told to eat "fruits and vegetables"  because 
of their nutritional value; which is derived from them having high order 
consciousness than, say rocks (which many backward people - you know who - eat)

They are also special because they have no face with 2 eyes, 2 ears, nose and 
mouth (although, having never seen some posters, I can't attest to their 
faces). Animals have faces, similar to Humans (which not everybody here is 
identified).
 On 09/23/2014 02:38 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Wow! Is that your level of "scientific understanding?"  No wonder you have a 
problem understanding theoretical concepts. :-D 
 
 Seriously, read the review on Amazon. It looks like just the place to learn 
about the importance of food. Can be good to start off simply, refresh the 
basics as it were.
 
 
 Once you've mastered that, if you want a proper grown up book about science I 
am currently recommending the new work by my old favourite David Deutsch:
 
 
 The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World Penguin Press 
Science: Amazon.co.uk: David Deutsch: Books 
 
 
 
 The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transfor... Buy The Beginning of 
Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World (Penguin Press Science) by 
David Deutsch (ISBN: 9780140278163) from...


 
 View on www.amazon.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   
 For some reason the preview pane shows his previous book, the incomparably 
fantastic The Fabric of Reality. I read it twice to get a grip on his 
demolition of deluded philosophical concepts and explanation of quantum 
physics. He's one the world's foremost quantum computing experts and runs the 
lab at Oxford where they are building them. He knows his shit about the quantum 
world and that's for sure.
 

 His new book, The Beginning of Infinity should have been his first as it takes 
you through the way science works and, perhaps more importantly, how it doesn't 
work. I've not known a physicist cut through the BS as clearly as Deutsch. 
Logical, passionate and profound it's the Salyavin book of the year. Deep joy 
is gained on every page and I'm only half way through. What pleasures await!
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 09/23/2014 02:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem to have 
plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some Wonder Bread.
 

 LOL, start here:
 

 I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science: 
Amazon.co.uk: Akiki: Books 
 
 
 
 I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let... Buy I'm Growing!: A 
Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book (Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science) by Akiki (ISBN: 
9780064451161) from Amazon's Book Store. Free UK ...


 
 View on www.amazon.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  





 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Salvy, if you have been paying attention on FFL all these years you'd 
know that I've been into nutrition for 40 years.  I probably know much 
more about than the average doctor and and also have flummoxed a few 
nutritionists. ;-)


Question for ya?  Why are we told to eat "fruits and vegetables?" What 
is so special about them?


I don't just read about science, I practice it in many forms.

On 09/23/2014 02:38 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Wow! Is that your level of "scientific understanding?"  No wonder you 
have a problem understanding theoretical concepts. :-D


Seriously, read the review on Amazon. It looks like just the place to 
learn about the importance of food. Can be good to start off simply, 
refresh the basics as it were.


Once you've mastered that, if you want a proper grown up book about 
science I am currently recommending the new work by my old favourite 
David Deutsch:


The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World 
Penguin Press Science: Amazon.co.uk: David Deutsch: Books 
 





image 
 




The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transfor... 
 

Buy The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World 
(Penguin Press Science) by David Deutsch (ISBN: 9780140278163) from...


View on www.amazon.co.uk 
 



Preview by Yahoo

For some reason the preview pane shows his previous book, the 
incomparably fantastic The Fabric of Reality. I read it twice to get a 
grip on his demolition of deluded philosophical concepts and 
explanation of quantum physics. He's one the world's foremost quantum 
computing experts and runs the lab at Oxford where they are building 
them. He knows his shit about the quantum world and that's for sure.



His new book, The Beginning of Infinity should have been his first as 
it takes you through the way science works and, perhaps more 
importantly, how it doesn't work. I've not known a physicist cut 
through the BS as clearly as Deutsch. Logical, passionate and profound 
it's the Salyavin book of the year. Deep joy is gained on every page 
and I'm only half way through. What pleasures await!









On 09/23/2014 02:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem 
to have plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some 
Wonder Bread.


LOL, start here:

I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let's-Read-And-Find-Out 
Science: Amazon.co.uk: Akiki: Books 
 





image 




I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let... 
 

Buy I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book 
(Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science) by Akiki (ISBN: 9780064451161) from 
Amazon's Book Store. Free UK ...


View on www.amazon.co.uk 



Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

OK here is a question for you starry eyed True Believers in the miracles that 
Mother India gives the world, that we may all clasp our hands and wax lyrical 
over whatever statue is weeping milk to what holy man is not eating today, that 
we may all be uplifted and inspired to know that we too may one day perform 
miracles if we do the "right" meditation, wear the right amulet, get the 
correct yagya, follow the right holy man and so on.

Question: The man in the video is obviously advanced in years. Yet he has not 
consumed food or drink in 70 years. So how is it that he is so connected to the 
Home of All Knowledge, the Absolute, he is so amazingly a miracle that his body 
has aged? 


Is his siddhi, his connection to all the Laws of Nature not sattvic enough to 
prevent his body from aging in that time? Is his internal nectar strong and 
pure enough to enable him to live off of it, yet it can't keep him from aging? 

I am reminded of the "miracle" of the statue of Jesus in Mumbai that was shown 
by the Indian rationalist Sanal Edamaruk to be from leaking sewage pipes in the 
wall behind the statue.




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 


For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!


Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that
requires energy to run, the claim here is that there is some magical form of 
energy from nowhere that removes the need for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Marylan

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Can you believe the level of desperation to believe? This is the kind of 
vacuous brain waste TM leads to.

 Missing Michael,

Why the need to personally attack the posters here?

Get some help for that Oppositional Behavior.

Stop provoking long enough to think.

Then respond.

 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   But salyavin, both air and sunlight were going into holy man's body. Maybe 
one or both sustained him. 

 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 
 
 
 








 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of the 
other impossible things I want to be possible. 
 
 Other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
if you believe the reports of the people who conducted the study, did not eat 
or drink anything for 15 days!
 

 This is the salient point IF YOU BELIEVE the people who conducted the study 
who would not allow the full video to be viewed nor allow the Indian 
Rationalist group to take a look - these refusals should give you a clear view 
that all is not as it seems and that the "science" behind it is bogus.


 Missing Mike,

I know YOU CANNOT BELIEVE ANYTHING. So get some help on your Trust Issues.

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   Sal, who the hell are your trying to convince?  Yourself?
 

 I don't care if the guy didn't eat or drink for 70 years.  It makes me no 
nevermind.
 

 Nor am I trying to convince anyone of the whether this is some grand 
achievement.
 

 All I'm saying is that the dude, if you believe the reports of the people who 
conducted the study, did not eat or drink anything for 15 days!
 

 Okay, that, on the face of it, that defies science.
 

 And no one that I'm aware of has come forward to debunk the study.
 

 And no one seems to be trying to promote it or make money on it.  
 

 It is just an anomaly, and that is what interests me.
 

 You are the one so anxious to discredit it, but so far the grounds for that 
are:
 

 1) It's impossible according to medical science as we know it.  Yes, 
impossible.
 

 2) If it were true, then people would be flocking to find out more about it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Impossible! This is the third time I've caught you putting words in my mouth. 
If you have evidence that a regular intake of food and water is optional I want 
to hear it.

 

 I don't!  But evidently you have no explanation for the results of this 
anomaly other than, "I don't like the results, they are impossible from what we 
know about science, and the general public has not gone gaga over this"  That 
is called an appeal to authority, and is a weak position on which to dispute 
something.
 

 A weak position other than the fact there is no magical gland in the human 
body that, when starved, creates a magical nectar that provides all dietary 
requirements including water for many decades and without any energy input?
 

 It's not really an appeal to authority is it? If I drop a plate I expect it to 
hit the floor, I understand the "authority" that tells me it's the most likely 
expectation. Gravity is a well observed and understood and predictable law of 
nature. Saying I'm making an "appeal to authority" implies that you think I 
don't know what I'm talking about but am just hoping you'll take someone's word 
for it like you think I do.
 

 Metabolism is another thing I feel confident enough to say that you can't go 
without food or water for 70 years, there is no appeal to authority here 
either. As I say, it's either a hoax or this guy has a magical gland etc etc...
 

 

 

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You have now made three posts on this subject - evidently your medical school 
education in Mexico was a bit short on teaching you to count.

 Missing Mike,

Slow down the dosage. This Post that you are referring to was made AFTER I 
posted that I had not, up until this point taken a position one-way or-another.

I know you can't understand.

 From: danfriedman2002 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 

 

 For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!

 

 Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.
 
Your collusion with Mike Missing, omits one thing. Mr Danny boy hasn't made 
Posts one way or another on the validity. 

But since you have the winning horse, please read my earlier Post and my 
Position.

Then respond, Mr Succour

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 S

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Can you believe the level of desperation to believe? This is the kind of 
vacuous brain waste TM leads to.




 From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  
But salyavin, both air and sunlight were going into holy man's body. Maybe one 
or both sustained him. 



On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm
living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>
>
>
>
>On
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM,
salyavin808  wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>From: salyavin808 
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Steve,
I like what
you're saying
here which is
that we don't
yet know all
the laws
governing
gravity. And I
think this is
a very
scientific
attitude. I
bet we don't
know all the
laws about
anything yet!
Including how
human bodies
obtain energy
from their
surroundings.
Which kind of
makes the
future
fascinating to
consider (-:
>
>
>Sorry
you wild wild
things, I
don't think
there will be
any surprises
from gravity
and
metabolism, I
think we've
got those
pretty sussed
- at least as
far as
floating and
not eating for
70 years is
concerned LOL.
>
>
>Happy
to be
persuaded
otherwise by
some evidence
though.
>
>
>
>Sal, I
think that the way
that thinking
about these kinda
things works is,
"If I can glom
onto some vague
anecdote and
convince myself
that *one*
completely
impossible thing
is possible, then
I can continue to
believe in all of
the other
impossible things
I want to be
possible. 
>
>Otherwise known as
"the appeal of
miracles." :-)
>
>
>I think
that's it, if you
start shutting down
on miraculous claims
you might look round
the dome one day at
all the "flyers"
twitching and
yawning and
occasionally jumping
up and down very
unconvincingly and
go "Waitta
minute...I gave up
my life for th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You have now made three posts on this subject - evidently your medical school 
education in Mexico was a bit short on teaching you to count.




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 


For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!


Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.

Your collusion with Mike Missing, omits one thing. Mr Danny boy hasn't made 
Posts one way or another on the validity. 

But since you have the winning horse, please read my earlier Post and my 
Position.

Then respond, Mr Succour



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that
requires energy to run, the claim here is that there is some magical form of 
energy from nowhere that removes the need for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>>>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm
living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM,
salyavin808  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>From: salyavin808 
>>>
>>>
>>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>Steve,
I like what
you're saying
here which is
that we don't
yet know all
the laws
governing
gravity. And I
think this is
a very
scientific
attitude. I
bet we don&#

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

go back to Phoenix




 From: danfriedman2002 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 


For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!


Michael Missing,

I have not made a single Post in this thread. Please do not "put words in my 
mouth".

I believe your forgone and misconstrued conclusion to be discriminatory. 

You just don't stop.

Just stop it!

And that Mr. Dannyboy to you.

P.S. You don't know me, because you don't have the culture to appreciate. Get 
an education.



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that
requires energy to run, the claim here is that there is some magical form of 
energy from nowhere that removes the need for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm
living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM,
salyavin808  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>From: salyavin808 
>>
>>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>Steve,
I like what
you're saying
here which is
that we don't
yet know all
the laws
governing
gravity. And I
think this is
a very
scientific
attitude. I
bet we don't
know all the
laws about
anything yet!
Including how
human bodies
obtain energy
from their
surroundings.
Which kind of
makes the
future
fascinating to
consider (-:
>>
>>
>>Sorry
you wild wild
things, I
don't think
there will be
any surprises
from gravity
and
metabolism, I
think we've
got those
pretty sussed
- at least as
far as
floating and
not 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

if you believe the reports of the people who conducted the study, did not eat 
or drink anything for 15 days!

This is the salient point IF YOU BELIEVE the people who conducted the study who 
would not allow the full video to be viewed nor allow the Indian Rationalist 
group to take a look - these refusals should give you a clear view that all is 
not as it seems and that the "science" behind it is bogus.





 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything 
In 70 Years!
 


  
Sal, who the hell are your trying to convince?  Yourself?

I don't care if the guy didn't eat or drink for 70 years.  It makes me no 
nevermind.

Nor am I trying to convince anyone of the whether this is some grand 
achievement.

All I'm saying is that the dude, if you believe the reports of the people who 
conducted the study, did not eat or drink anything for 15 days!

Okay, that, on the face of it, that defies science.

And no one that I'm aware of has come forward to debunk the study.

And no one seems to be trying to promote it or make money on it.  

It is just an anomaly, and that is what interests me.

You are the one so anxious to discredit it, but so far the grounds for that are:

1) It's impossible according to medical science as we know it.  Yes, impossible.

2) If it were true, then people would be flocking to find out more about it.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Impossible! This is the third time I've caught you putting words in my mouth. 
If you have evidence that a regular intake of food and water is optional I want 
to hear it.


I don't!  But evidently you have no explanation for the results of this anomaly 
other than, "I don't like the results, they are impossible from what we know 
about science, and the general public has not gone gaga over this"  That is 
called an appeal to authority, and is a weak position on which to dispute 
something.

A weak position other than the fact there is no magical gland in the human body 
that, when starved, creates a magical nectar that provides all dietary 
requirements including water for many decades and without any energy input?

It's not really an appeal to authority is it? If I drop a plate I expect it to 
hit the floor, I understand the "authority" that tells me it's the most likely 
expectation. Gravity is a well observed and understood and predictable law of 
nature. Saying I'm making an "appeal to authority" implies that you think I 
don't know what I'm talking about but am just hoping you'll take someone's word 
for it like you think I do.

Metabolism is another thing I feel confident enough to say that you can't go 
without food or water for 70 years, there is no appeal to authority here 
either. As I say, it's either a hoax or this guy has a magical gland etc etc...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 

 

 For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!

 

 Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.
 
Your collusion with Mike Missing, omits one thing. Mr Danny boy hasn't made 
Posts one way or another on the validity. 

But since you have the winning horse, please read my earlier Post and my 
Position.

Then respond, Mr Succour

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think what you are saying is that there phenomena that we may have 
considered to be impossible, until they are demonstrated, and supported by 
heretofore unknown laws of physics. 

 It would depend on whether the "new" laws are in contradiction of the old. 
Especially in the case of metabolism and energy transfer. These things are well 
understood and the idea that it's possible to circumvent them with a hitherto 
unknown gland in the brain that produces a nectar that fulfills all our dietary 
requirements including water and without any energy input in itself is 
miraculous. And I mean it, a miracle is when the laws of nature are broken. 
This would be as good as any other law being broken including levitation or 
invisibility.
 

 Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.
 Since Michael Missing has predetermined my position on this Diet Plan. I plan 
to "Take a Position". For those not from NYC, that mean I'll take a bet on the 
side that THE GUY DIDN'T EAT  OR CHEAT. See below...

 There are many examples, and could one day explain human levitation if it is 
demonstrated.
 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?
 

 If I am not mistaken there are many demonstrations of water flowing uphill, in 
accordance with the laws of physics.  So, if you are asking for an example, you 
have one.
 

 Superfluid helium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI
 
 Superfluid helium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI Helium becomes 
superfluid and displays amazing properties. To address all the comments about 
helium "running out": Most helium on earth is the result of r...


 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 As far the breatharian, you simply dismiss it has "hogwash", and that because 
it didn't cause a global sensation, it must be a fraud. Or that you didn't like 
a paragraph in the possible explanation.
 

 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.
 

 I suppose you could say that for any result that you don't like.  "It didn't 
pass my threshold for credibility.  The study was corrupted"
 

 A corrupt study is always a possibility, conversely we shouldn't accept 
potentially corrupt information just because the claimed result gives succour 
to our cherished beliefs, not if we are interested in truth anyway. 
 

 Having a threshold of credibility is a good plan, it means you have a handy 
way of weeding out the bullshit at the start but it shouldn't be so rigid that 
you become blinkered. What you need is a good working knowledge about something 
before you consider contrary evidence. We can always be wrong but the discovery 
of a chakra - whatever that means- in the brain that creates nectar of this 
usefulness (or at all) would be a major discovery. Let's hope for the diet 
industry's sake if no one elses that this guy has broken the laws of 
conservation of energy, as well as a few others.
 

 I'll bet good money that he hasn't though... I'LL BET WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU ARE 
WILLING. REAL MONEY, REAL BET. THAT IS MY POSITION.

 

 

 Personally, I don't care if the guy can survive without food or not.  It 
"appeared" to me to be a vetted result. Perhaps I am mistaken.
 

 Btw, look at what people in general are fascinated by.  It really isn't 
something like this.  It's more about what is the latest instagram photo posted 
by KK.
 

 People in general may like KK but she isn't defying the laws of nature, even 
though her arse appears to be stretching them sometimes.
 

 Go figure.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am wondering if this will generate any comments from the "no such thing as 
woo woo contingent" here.
 

 Of course it will.
 

 I happened to also be thinking about all the weird phenomenon that exists, all 
according the laws of physic, albeit, laws not typically seen.
 

 I think it was Ann who post the video showing some of that weird phenomena. 
 

 So, why not human levitation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 

 

 For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!

 

 Making him an Article of Faith, something to give succour to belief, like the 
Turin Shroud. As long as it remains a mystery it promises to be a tantalising 
vindication that they haven't backed a losing horse. Yes, I like it.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 
 
 
 








 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of the 
ot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wow! Is that your level of "scientific understanding?"  No wonder you have a 
problem understanding theoretical concepts. :-D 
 
Seriously, read the review on Amazon. It looks like just the place to learn 
about the importance of food. Can be good to start off simply, refresh the 
basics as it were.
 

 Once you've mastered that, if you want a proper grown up book about science I 
am currently recommending the new work by my old favourite David Deutsch:
 

 The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World Penguin Press 
Science: Amazon.co.uk: David Deutsch: Books 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0140278168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411507790&sr=8-1&keywords=deutsch+infinity
 
 
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0140278168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411507790&sr=8-1&keywords=deutsch+infinity
 
 
 The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transfor... 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0140278168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411507790&sr=8-1&keywords=deutsch+infinity
 Buy The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World (Penguin 
Press Science) by David Deutsch (ISBN: 9780140278163) from...
 
 
 
 View on www.amazon.co.uk 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0140278168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411507790&sr=8-1&keywords=deutsch+infinity
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
   
 For some reason the preview pane shows his previous book, the incomparably 
fantastic The Fabric of Reality. I read it twice to get a grip on his 
demolition of deluded philosophical concepts and explanation of quantum 
physics. He's one the world's foremost quantum computing experts and runs the 
lab at Oxford where they are building them. He knows his shit about the quantum 
world and that's for sure.
 

 His new book, The Beginning of Infinity should have been his first as it takes 
you through the way science works and, perhaps more importantly, how it doesn't 
work. I've not known a physicist cut through the BS as clearly as Deutsch. 
Logical, passionate and profound it's the Salyavin book of the year. Deep joy 
is gained on every page and I'm only half way through. What pleasures await!

  


 

 

 

 

 
 On 09/23/2014 02:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem to have 
plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some Wonder Bread.
 

 LOL, start here:
 

 I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science: 
Amazon.co.uk: Akiki: Books 
 
 
 
 I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let... Buy I'm Growing!: A 
Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book (Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science) by Akiki (ISBN: 
9780064451161) from Amazon's Book Store. Free UK ...


 
 View on www.amazon.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  





 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[danfriedman2002]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 

 

 For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!

 
Michael Missing,

I have not made a single Post in this thread. Please do not "put words in my 
mouth".

I believe your forgone and misconstrued conclusion to be discriminatory. 

You just don't stop.

Just stop it!

And that Mr. Dannyboy to you.

P.S. You don't know me, because you don't have the culture to appreciate. Get 
an education.

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 
 
 
 








 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vag

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Wow! Is that your level of "scientific understanding?"  No wonder you 
have a problem understanding theoretical concepts. :-D


On 09/23/2014 02:03 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem to 
have plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some 
Wonder Bread.


LOL, start here:

I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let's-Read-And-Find-Out 
Science: Amazon.co.uk: Akiki: Books 
 





image 
 




I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let... 
 

Buy I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book 
(Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science) by Akiki (ISBN: 9780064451161) from 
Amazon's Book Store. Free UK ...


View on www.amazon.co.uk 
 



Preview by Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sal, who the hell are your trying to convince?  Yourself?
 

 I'm not trying to convince anyone but I'm enjoying the surreal spectacle of 
people's excuses like "people used to think the earth was flat but" 
 

 Rational thinking seems to have taken a sabbatical round here and I'm at a 
loss to explain why. 
 

 I don't care if the guy didn't eat or drink for 70 years.  It makes me no 
nevermind.
 

 If you don't like the conversation stop replying, or are you some sort of 
troll?
 

 Nor am I trying to convince anyone of the whether this is some grand 
achievement.
 

 All I'm saying is that the dude, if you believe the reports of the people who 
conducted the study, did not eat or drink anything for 15 days!
 

 Okay, that, on the face of it, that defies science.
 

 No, it defies reality. Science just tries to describe reality.
 

 And no one that I'm aware of has come forward to debunk the study.
 

 You missed this one then. The Indian Rationalist Society have been refused 
access, probably due to their success at exposing other frauds, and the Dr 
studying him won't release the videos. Oops, bit of a give away:
 

 Dr. Sudhir Shah and Prahlad Jani - Skeptimedia - The Skeptic's Dictionary - 
Skepdic.com http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia90.html 
 
 http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia90.html 
 
 Dr. Sudhir Shah and Prahlad Jani - Skeptimedia - The Sk... 
http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia90.html Kindle 2: Amazon's New 
Wireless Reading Device (Latest Generation) From Abracadabra to Zombies a b c d 
e f g h i j k l m n 
 
 
 
 View on www.skepdic.com http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia90.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 And no one seems to be trying to promote it or make money on it.  
 

 It is just an anomaly, and that is what interests me.
 

 No, it isn't JUST an anomaly - if true. To think that you must have a weak 
grasp of the concepts I've been patiently explaining for what seems like my 
entire life. I refuse to type it all again.
 

 You are the one so anxious to discredit it, but so far the grounds for that 
are:
 

 1) It's impossible according to medical science as we know it.  Yes, 
impossible.
 

 Well, I must be unreasonable then. Imagine thinking that the mere collection 
of knowledge about human life and what is needed to sustain it was some sort of 
standard that fits everyone. Obviously some guy who prays a lot can circumvent 
the laws of nature with his magic nectar. Makes perfect sense.
 

 2) If it were true, then people would be flocking to find out more about it.
 

 Sounds like one of your imaginings. But if it was real it would be story of 
the century. I think that's the thing that people here don't realise because 
you've all been brainwashed by gurus into thinking that magical stuff like this 
is reasonable.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But salyavin, both air and sunlight were going into holy man's body. Maybe one 
or both sustained him. 

 

 OK, so these last few days have been a wind-up. I get it now.
 


 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 
 
 
 








 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of the 
other impossible things I want to be possible. 
 
 Otherwise known as "the appeal of miracles." :-)
 
 
 I think that's it, if you start shutting down on miraculous claims you might 
look round the dome one day at all the "flyers" twitching and yawning and 
occasionally jumping up and down very unconvincingly and go "Waitta minute...I 
gave up my life for this!!!" I speak sadly from experience...
 
 
 I also think that the way science is treated in the movement does a big 
disservice to people who join up and who didn't get a proper science education 
at school. They make sound oh so plausible but it's all a crock. The real 
appeal to authority is when Tony Nader and John Hagelin start polishing their 
P

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem to have 
plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some Wonder Bread.
 

 LOL, start here:
 

 I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let's-Read-And-Find-Out Science: 
Amazon.co.uk: Akiki: Books 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Im-Growing-Lets-Read---Find-out-Lets-Read-And-Find-Out/dp/006445116X/ref=sr_1_58?ie=UTF8&qid=1411506132&sr=8-58&keywords=science+for+beginners
 
 
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Im-Growing-Lets-Read---Find-out-Lets-Read-And-Find-Out/dp/006445116X/ref=sr_1_58?ie=UTF8&qid=1411506132&sr=8-58&keywords=science+for+beginners
 
 
 I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book Let... 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Im-Growing-Lets-Read---Find-out-Lets-Read-And-Find-Out/dp/006445116X/ref=sr_1_58?ie=UTF8&qid=1411506132&sr=8-58&keywords=science+for+beginners
 Buy I'm Growing!: A Let's-Read-and-Find-out Book (Let's-Read-And-Find-Out 
Science) by Akiki (ISBN: 9780064451161) from Amazon's Book Store. Free UK ...
 
 
 
 View on www.amazon.co.uk 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Im-Growing-Lets-Read---Find-out-Lets-Read-And-Find-Out/dp/006445116X/ref=sr_1_58?ie=UTF8&qid=1411506132&sr=8-58&keywords=science+for+beginners
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 
 On 09/23/2014 12:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 
 
 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 
 
 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 
 
 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 
 
 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 
 
 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

But salyavin, both air and sunlight were going into holy man's body. Maybe one 
or both sustained him. 



On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:46 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm
living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>
>
>
>
>On
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM,
salyavin808  wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>From: salyavin808 
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Steve,
I like what
you're saying
here which is
that we don't
yet know all
the laws
governing
gravity. And I
think this is
a very
scientific
attitude. I
bet we don't
know all the
laws about
anything yet!
Including how
human bodies
obtain energy
from their
surroundings.
Which kind of
makes the
future
fascinating to
consider (-:
>
>
>Sorry
you wild wild
things, I
don't think
there will be
any surprises
from gravity
and
metabolism, I
think we've
got those
pretty sussed
- at least as
far as
floating and
not eating for
70 years is
concerned LOL.
>
>
>Happy
to be
persuaded
otherwise by
some evidence
though.
>
>
>
>Sal, I
think that the way
that thinking
about these kinda
things works is,
"If I can glom
onto some vague
anecdote and
convince myself
that *one*
completely
impossible thing
is possible, then
I can continue to
believe in all of
the other
impossible things
I want to be
possible. 
>
>Otherwise known as
"the appeal of
miracles." :-)
>
>
>I think
that's it, if you
start shutting down
on miraculous claims
you might look round
the dome one day at
all the "flyers"
twitching and
yawning and
occasionally jumping
up and down very
unconvincingly and
go "Waitta
minute...I gave up
my life for this!!!"
I speak sadly from
experience...
>
>
>I also
think that the way
science is treated
in the movement does
a big disservice to
people who join up
and who didn't get a
proper science
education at school.
They make sound oh
so plausible but
it's all a crock.
The real appeal to
authority is when
Tony Nader and John
Hagelin start
polishing their
PHD's before
launching into the
usual crock of
insanity like the
"Total Knowledge"
course or the
"physics of yogic
flying". Two things
I've seen that would
guarantee they
wouldn't get a job
in the outside world
ever again. But
they've got PHD's so
it must be true...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry, Bhairitu, I no longer eat bread, Wonder or otherwise!



On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:24 PM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem to have 
plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some Wonder Bread.

On 09/23/2014 12:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

  
>
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
>Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
>questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world 
>was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
>"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
>
>
>You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
>isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
>days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
>out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
>
>A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come
  to the
  hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The
  staff was
  skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man
  was able to do
  it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be
  accomplished by
  reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low
  level.  Yoga, in
  it's advanced state, can give us control over the
  autonomic
  nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras
  work.
>
>
>A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
>stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
>
>
>So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
>extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
>there's some awareness.
>
>Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well
  understood
  and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients
  needed with
  practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the
  peanut gallery
  but they're fun to tease anyway.
>
>
>Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
>on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make 
>us feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
>drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
>happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
>Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
>
>
>The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
>that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
>for food. I call BS.
>
>
>PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
>
>
>
>
>On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
>  
>>Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
>>Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>From: salyavin808 
>>
>>
>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>>
>>
>>Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
>>laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
>>we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
>>obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
>>fascinating to consider (-:
>>
>>
>>Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
>>gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as 
>>far as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
>>
>>
>>Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, 
>>"If I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* 
>>completely impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in 
>>all of the other impossible things I want to be possible. 
>>
>>Otherwise
  known as
  "the appeal of
  miracles." :-)
>>
>>
>>I think that's it, if you start shutting down on miraculous claims you might 
>>look round the dome one day at all the "flyers" twitching an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I'll see if nurse Rachet can bring you some more peanuts.  You seem to 
have plenty of baloney at this time.  Maybe Share can donate some Wonder 
Bread.


On 09/23/2014 12:46 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific 
field.   Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are 
many unanswered questions. Remember at one time "authoritative 
science" believed the world was flat.  I think some people feel more 
secure if they align themselves with "scientific thought" even if some 
of the theories later prove to be wrong.


You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the 
fact it isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone 
on for three days, I would have thought that most people here would 
have worked this one out. There must be a need to believe here that's 
been previously untapped.


A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital 
who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but 
allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce 
the need for food or water can be accomplished by reducing the 
metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in it's advanced 
state, can give us control over the autonomic nervous system.  That's 
also how the ayurvedic mantras work.


A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the 
same as stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter.


So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? 
that's an extrapolation too far. At least you put the word 
"dangerously" in there so there's some awareness.


Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and 
one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  
Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun 
to tease anyway.


Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is 
dragging on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo 
effect  can make us feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about 
how we attribute cures to drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't 
anything to do with magical happenings ie; creating nutrients out of 
nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. Energy doesn't get created. With 
nothing going in, nothing comes out.


The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim 
here is that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that 
removes the need for food. I call BS.


PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high
school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving
it up for anything...


On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808
  wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

*From:* salyavin808 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet
know all the laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very
scientific attitude. I bet we don't know all the laws about
anything yet! Including how human bodies obtain energy from their
surroundings. Which kind of makes the future fascinating to
consider (-:

Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any
surprises from gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those
pretty sussed - at least as far as floating and not eating for 70
years is concerned LOL.

Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.


Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things
works is, "If I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince
myself that *one* completely impossible thing is possible, then I
can continue to believe in all of the other impossible things I
want to be possible.

Otherwise known as "the appeal of miracles." :-)
*/
/*
I think that's it, if you start shutting down on miraculous claims
you might look round the dome one day at all the "flyers"
twitching and yawning and occasionally jumping up and down very
unconvincingly and go "Waitta minute...I gave up my life for
this!!!" I speak sadly from experience...

I also think that the way science is treated in the movement does
a big disservice to people who join up and who didn't get a proper
science education at school. They make sound oh so plausible but
it's all a crock. The real appeal to authority is when Tony Nader
and John Hagelin start polishing their PHD's be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sal, who the hell are your trying to convince?  Yourself? 

 I don't care if the guy didn't eat or drink for 70 years.  It makes me no 
nevermind.
 

 Nor am I trying to convince anyone of the whether this is some grand 
achievement.
 

 All I'm saying is that the dude, if you believe the reports of the people who 
conducted the study, did not eat or drink anything for 15 days!
 

 Okay, that, on the face of it, that defies science.
 

 And no one that I'm aware of has come forward to debunk the study.
 

 And no one seems to be trying to promote it or make money on it.  
 

 It is just an anomaly, and that is what interests me.
 

 You are the one so anxious to discredit it, but so far the grounds for that 
are:
 

 1) It's impossible according to medical science as we know it.  Yes, 
impossible.
 

 2) If it were true, then people would be flocking to find out more about it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Impossible! This is the third time I've caught you putting words in my mouth. 
If you have evidence that a regular intake of food and water is optional I want 
to hear it.

 

 I don't!  But evidently you have no explanation for the results of this 
anomaly other than, "I don't like the results, they are impossible from what we 
know about science, and the general public has not gone gaga over this"  That 
is called an appeal to authority, and is a weak position on which to dispute 
something.
 

 A weak position other than the fact there is no magical gland in the human 
body that, when starved, creates a magical nectar that provides all dietary 
requirements including water for many decades and without any energy input?
 

 It's not really an appeal to authority is it? If I drop a plate I expect it to 
hit the floor, I understand the "authority" that tells me it's the most likely 
expectation. Gravity is a well observed and understood and predictable law of 
nature. Saying I'm making an "appeal to authority" implies that you think I 
don't know what I'm talking about but am just hoping you'll take someone's word 
for it like you think I do.
 

 Metabolism is another thing I feel confident enough to say that you can't go 
without food or water for 70 years, there is no appeal to authority here 
either. As I say, it's either a hoax or this guy has a magical gland etc etc...
 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

C'mon Sal! This old guy id a fucking superman! 


For Nabby, Steve, Danny-boy, Free Cheesy (nee Doc Dummy) and Share to believe 
in him gives them some credence in their hearts that one day, if they practice 
TM Siddhi programme diligently and according to Movement guidelines, then they 
too can become supermen and women!




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank 
Anything In 70 Years!
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and
may not work in a scientific field.   Those of us who do work in
scientific fields know  there are many unanswered questions. 
Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world
was flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align
themselves with "scientific thought" even if some of the theories
later prove to be wrong.

You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.

A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the
hospital who claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was
skeptical but allowed for a test and indeed the man was able to do
it.  To reduce the need for food or water can be accomplished by
reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low level.  Yoga, in
it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.

A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 

So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.

Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood
and one might be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with
practice.  Probably sounds like "hogwash" to the peanut gallery
but they're fun to tease anyway.

Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 

The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.

PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.



On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
>Jeez,
salyavin, I had plenty of science education both
in high school and at Univ of Maryland! And I'm
living my life, not giving it up for anything...
>
>
>
>
>On
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM,
salyavin808  wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>From: salyavin808 
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Steve,
I like what
you're saying
here which is
that we don't
yet know all
the laws
governing
gravity. And I
think this is
a very
scientific
attitude. I
bet we don't
know all the
laws about
anything yet!
Including how
human bodies
obtain energy
from their
surroundings.
Which kind of
makes the
future
fascinating to
consider (-:
>
>
>Sorry
you wild wild
things, I
don't think
there will be
any surprises
from gravity
and
metabolism, I
think we've
got those
pretty sussed
- at least as
far as
floating and
not eating for
70 years is
concerned LOL.
>
>
>Happy
to be
persuaded
otherwise by
some evidence
though.
>
>
>
>Sal, I
think that the way
that thinking
about these kinda
things works is,
"If I can glom
onto some vague
anecdote and
convince myself
that *one*
completely
impossible thing
is possible, then
I can continue to
believe in all of
the other
impossible things
I want to be
possible. 
>
>Otherwise known as
"the appeal of
miracles." :-)
>
>
>I think
that's it, if you
start shutting down
on miraculous claims
you might look round
the dome one day at
all the "flyers"
twitching and
yawning and
occasionally jumping
up and down very
unconvincingly and
go "Waitta
minute...I gave up
my life for this!!!"
I speak 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Is this a corollary to the "as long as I can find some way to insult someone, 
or insult their beliefs,then I am having one hell of a good day"? 

 or the, "I can't be bothered to read 80% of what is posted here, because I 
find it far below my intellectual threshold, but I sure as hell will try to 
find some way to peek in from the side since I sorta don't have anything better 
to do"  (-:
 

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of the 
other impossible things I want to be possible. 










Otherwise known as "the appeal of miracles." :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.

 

 Thank you for this.  You probably don't realize that this is the sentiment of 
those who aren't the most forward of thinking people.
 

 Why do we need a telephone to communicate over great distances.  Every 
important thing we need is right here.
 

 That is often the attitude of people who think, what we have right now, looks 
like the final word.
 

 And then when the new discovery happens, well then, it's usually, "as I was 
saying"
 

 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 

 Did you forget the asterisk * ?  
 

 *As long as it doesn't appear to be too unbelievable, and as long as I can 
still play the "must be deception" card, or until the general population 
embraces it enthusiastically.
 

 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:18 AM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm 
going to put my money.

 

 Sure, what interested me was that the environment seemed to be controlled.  I 
suppose it could be a case of deception, but I haven't looked into it to see if 
there are accusations of that sort.  And of course, that can be a somewhat an 
easy out.  "It seems impossible, so there must be some deception going on"  
 

 

 The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary 
about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort 
of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence 
and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has 
ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that?

 

 Well, that is what I am saying.  Right now, the relationship between body and 
akasha and the lightness of cotton fiber could not result in levitation because 
it would appear to violate the laws of gravity.  But if somehow, someone 
levitated by utilizing that formula, then we suddenly modify our understanding  
of how gravity would work in that situation.
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy 
in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why 
people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of 
thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed 
by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, 
it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather 
sceptical these days.

 

 Wait a second.  What does it matter if you think it's silly?  That has nothing 
to do with it.  What has everything to do with it, is that it is, on the 
surface, impossible.  I did a quick search to try to find some deception about 
it.  This guy below states, "It's a fraud, because I say it is".  He doesn't 
cite any obvious deception.  His says, "I am a (self proclaimed)  authority on 
such matters, and I declare it to be a deception"  
 

 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: Chill Out, Everyone. He 
Obviously Has Not. 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html

 
 
 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 
 Has This Man Gone 70 Years Without Eating? UPDATE: ... 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Okay, here's a weird one. You may remember the story of Prahlad Jani, an 
Indian yogi who claims that he hasn't ever eaten or had a drink in the last 70 
year...


 
 View on www.treehugger.com 
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/has-this-man-gone-70-years-without-eating-update-chill-out-everyone-he-obviously-has-not.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 A corrupt study is always a possibility, conversely we shouldn't accept 
potentially corrupt information just because the claimed result gives succour 
to our cherished beliefs, not if we are interested in truth anyway. 
 

 Well, of course!  What would  being intellectually dishonest get you.  Nothing 
but delusions.
 

 Having a threshold of credibility is a good plan, it means you have a handy 
way of weeding out the bullshit at the start but it shouldn't be so rigid that 
you become blinkered. What you need is a good working knowledge about something 
before you consider contrary evidence. We can always be wrong but the discovery 
of a chakra - whatever that means- in the brain that creates nectar of this 
usefulness (or at all) would be a major discovery. Let's hope for the diet 
industry's sake if no one elses that this guy has broken the laws of 
conserv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salvy seems to be a "science fan" and may not work in a scientific field.   
Those of us who do work in scientific fields know  there are many unanswered 
questions.  Remember at one time "authoritative science" believed the world was 
flat.  I think some people feel more secure if they align themselves with 
"scientific thought" even if some of the theories later prove to be wrong.
 

 You think metabolism is so poorly understood that we've overlooked the fact it 
isn't necessary to eat? I'm amazed this conversation has gone on for three 
days, I would have thought that most people here would have worked this one 
out. There must be a need to believe here that's been previously untapped.
 
 A friend who is an Indian MD said they had a yogi come to the hospital who 
claimed he could stop his heart.  The staff was skeptical but allowed for a 
test and indeed the man was able to do it.  To reduce the need for food or 
water can be accomplished by reducing the metabolic rate to a dangerously low 
level.  Yoga, in it's advanced state, can give us control over the autonomic 
nervous system.  That's also how the ayurvedic mantras work.
 

 A genuine non-sequitur, being able to lower your heart beat isn't the same as 
stopping it forever or not eating forever for that matter. 
 

 So you think a low metabolism can mean you don't need to eat at all? that's an 
extrapolation too far. At least you put the word "dangerously" in there so 
there's some awareness.
 
 Then there is the "placebo effect" which is not well understood and one might 
be able to "manifest" the nutrients needed with practice.  Probably sounds like 
"hogwash" to the peanut gallery but they're fun to tease anyway.
 

 Placebo effect manifesting nutrients? No wonder this conversation is dragging 
on! I think you need to hit the books old chap. The placebo effect  can make us 
feel better in a lot of ways but it's more about how we attribute cures to 
drugs instead of to our own bodies. It isn't anything to do with magical 
happenings ie; creating nutrients out of nothing. Nothing comes from nothing. 
Energy doesn't get created. With nothing going in, nothing comes out. 
 

 The body is a complex system that requires energy to run, the claim here is 
that there is some magical form of energy from nowhere that removes the need 
for food. I call BS.
 

 PS the placebo effect is real, no need to put it in quote marks.
 

 
 
 On 09/23/2014 09:05 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Jeez, salyavin, I had plenty of science education both in high school and at 
Univ of Maryland! And I'm living my life, not giving it up for anything...
 
 
 

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM, salyavin808 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
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 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
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 Steve, I like what you're saying here which is that we don't yet know all the 
laws governing gravity. And I think this is a very scientific attitude. I bet 
we don't know all the laws about anything yet! Including how human bodies 
obtain energy from their surroundings. Which kind of makes the future 
fascinating to consider (-:
 
 
 Sorry you wild wild things, I don't think there will be any surprises from 
gravity and metabolism, I think we've got those pretty sussed - at least as far 
as floating and not eating for 70 years is concerned LOL.
 
 
 Happy to be persuaded otherwise by some evidence though.
 
 
 
 








 Sal, I think that the way that thinking about these kinda things works is, "If 
I can glom onto some vague anecdote and convince myself that *one* completely 
impossible thing is possible, then I can continue to believe in all of the 
other impossible things I want to be possible. 
 
 Otherwise known as "the appeal of miracles." :-)
 
 
 I think that's it, if you start shutting down on miraculous claims you might 
look round the dome one day at all the "flyers" twitching and yawning and 
occasionally jumping up and down very unconvincingly and go "Waitta minute...I 
gave up my life for this!!!" I speak sadly from experience...
 
 
 I also think that the way science is treated in the movement does a big 
disservice to people who join up and who didn't get a proper science education 
at school. They make sound oh so plausible but it's all a crock. The real 
appeal to authority is when Tony Nader and John Hagelin start polishing their 
PHD's before launching into the usual crock of insanity like the "Total 
Knowledge" course or the "physics of yogic flying". Two things I've seen that 
would guarantee they wouldn't get a job in the outside world ever again. But 
they've got PHD's so it must be true...