[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Ferguson told this story at the Wellesley TM Center back in the mid-70s, except the disciple was not Guru Dev and the disciple did not come to a satsang to convey what he meant. Considering Bob's memory of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Having now read most of MDG's seemingly endless rap, it strikes me that, for someone who claims to be functioning from the level of Self, there is a great deal of clinging there to the notion of *path*. He claims to have realized the Self, but still talks in terms of the things that keep someone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When someone takes that many words to say something, especially on an Internet forum, you can pretty much rest assured that your life will not be negatively affected by pressing the Next key without reading it. You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: When someone takes that many words to say something, especially on an Internet forum, you can pretty much rest assured that your life will not be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: When someone takes that many words to say something, especially on an Internet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Books and magazine articles tend to be written by real authors, Lines 42 Words 278 Characters 1592 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hint: what I have termed a true bhakti, someone who believed in it thoroughly ... Lines: 82 Words: 547 Characters:3108 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: When someone takes that many words to say something, especially on an Internet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I repeat my theorem. Real bhaktis just live their lifestyle, quietly. Fake or mood-maker bhaktis tend to feel that they need to defend it. snip You claimed that I said or implied that bhakti should not be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
Thanks for the perfect analysis. I intentionally did not defend myself, in order to not give him new food.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many unsupported assumptions and black-and-white oversimplifications. Let me just pick one of them,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION Total snip, Realizing that one is essentailly a facet of eternal oneness, should we see duality as a problem and, not enjoy it? Most people

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having now read most of MDG's seemingly endless rap, it strikes me that, for someone who claims to be functioning from the level of Self, there is a great deal of clinging there to the notion of *path*. He claims to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION BIG SNIP 1. THE PERSONAL-CONTACT RULE FOR TRUE BHAKTI Someone commented that I couldn't claim devotion to Maharishi if I haven't seen him (his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/10/06 10:15 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS -- I always admired john black who got exiled from int'l and banned from courses for a little mistake. He left as told but continued to successfully teach tm for decades at a local center. He showed great devotion to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own insights and discriminations. I find Goodman's relationship to MMY have similar qualities than the TM-teacher I meet every now and then at lunch. That teacher has done the re-certification course. All the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread anonyff
Personally I think that MDG is a moodmaker who feels compelled to tell us all how great he is (repeatedly and ad nauseum) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION snipt out of compassion for bandwidth Scorecard: - Number of lines: 593 -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
Hey TurquoisB (TB for short), how about doing a similar analysis of Irmeli's comments on Michael's essay? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's personal path and of his own insights and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION snipt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: THE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, I must share my award with Microsoft Word. I thought you had used wc http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uwc.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread t3rinity
I just wanted to tell you, Irmeli, that I find this post of yours very good. I don't agree with everything, but everything is written in a good spirit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked this post a lot. It is an honest account of Goodman's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread gullible fool
Only the last three scores were mine. Those were my favorite three. :) --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/10/06 10:15 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS -- I always admired john black who got exiled from int'l and banned from courses for a little mistake. He left as told but continued to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/10/06 11:26 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now he's a raja and Maharishi has changed his name from Black to Bright, so let that be a lesson for all those of lesser faith! Did he need a million for his rajahood? I'm sure he did. Probably some Silicon Valley

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread gullible fool
Bob Ferguson told this story at the Wellesley TM Center back in the mid-70s, except the disciple was not Guru Dev and the disciple did not come to a satsang to convey what he meant. Considering Bob's memory of this story was likely pretty fresh thirty years ago, I'll go with Bob's version. ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusion of individuality; labels; true bhakti; the story of Guru Dev and hi

2006-03-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only the last three scores were mine. Those were my favorite three. :) When someone takes that many words to say something, especially on an Internet forum, you can pretty much rest assured that your life